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T-Mob UK release pushed back to October

Well 08/09/07 is out of the window.
Was told by a customer service rep yesterday (who i have been dealing with for a few years now and is very reliable) that they have had to push it back to late October.
This is due to customers buying the Kaiser from Expansys etc, putting a T-mobile sim in and finding certain processes failing, ie Web n Walk, GPS etc.
So it needs further testing before they release it officially and can support it with no bugs.

Schooleydoo said:
Well 08/09/07 is out of the window.
Was told by a customer service rep yesterday (who i have been dealing with for a few years now and is very reliable) that they have had to push it back to late October.
This is due to customers buying the Kaiser from Expansys etc, putting a T-mobile sim in and finding certain processes failing, ie Web n Walk, GPS etc.
So it needs further testing before they release it officially and can support it with no bugs.
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what kind of problems with web-n-walk? mine is due anytime now, just waiting on city link to deliver it. im going to stick my t-mobile contract sim in it and use it on t-mobile. i hope its not too bad a problem

Schooleydoo said:
Was told by a customer service rep yesterday (who i have been dealing with for a few years now and is very reliable) that they have had to push it back to late October.
This is due to customers buying the Kaiser from Expansys etc, putting a T-mobile sim in and finding certain processes failing, ie Web n Walk, GPS etc.
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Bullsh*t. First off, Kaiser has been released like 2-3 days ago, so how many of such customers are here already with that kind of problems, that T-Mobile could actually carry out 'further investigation'??? Second, I have T-Mobile's SIM card with web'n'walk, and so far no problems noticed! 3G/HSDPA, videocalls, GPS - all works out of the box, without troubles at all.
Personally, I think it's just crap talking. Anyway, even HTC's official press release last week (AFAIR) said that T-Mobile's release is due October...

eva_d said:
Bullsh*t. First off, Kaiser has been released like 2-3 days ago, so how many of such customers are here already with that kind of problems, that T-Mobile could actually carry out 'further investigation'??? Second, I have T-Mobile's SIM card with web'n'walk, and so far no problems noticed! 3G/HSDPA, videocalls, GPS - all works out of the box, without troubles at all.
Personally, I think it's just crap talking. Anyway, even HTC's official press release last week (AFAIR) said that T-Mobile's release is due October...
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phew i was getting worried. so is tomtom working fine on it?

dolbe said:
phew i was getting worried. so is tomtom working fine on it?
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Works fine, however I was disappointed with free map of London I've downloaded. It covers central London + zones 2, 3, maybe 4 - roughly. It surely doesn't cover Heathrow area, where I live. :/

is the tomtom you get with it a time trial? if so ill stick the version ive got on my vario with my uk and western european maps on it

dolbe said:
is the tomtom you get with it a time trial? if so ill stick the version ive got on my vario with my uk and western european maps on it
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It's not time limited, both TT and free map. You need to pay extra only when you want to download more maps.

ok well ive got a "fix" for tomtom so ill stick with the version ive got now. well its arrived and charging. just had a quick play with it before i let it charge...it was hard putting it down heh.

Gah you had me worried there
I should receive mine soon, i'll let you know if i have any issues! (on T-mobile as well).
Fingers crossed!

dolbe said:
ok well ive got a "fix" for tomtom so ill stick with the version ive got now. well its arrived and charging. just had a quick play with it before i let it charge...it was hard putting it down heh.
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Play with it whilst it's charging!

eva_d said:
Bullsh*t. First off, Kaiser has been released like 2-3 days ago, so how many of such customers are here already with that kind of problems, that T-Mobile could actually carry out 'further investigation'??? Second, I have T-Mobile's SIM card with web'n'walk, and so far no problems noticed! 3G/HSDPA, videocalls, GPS - all works out of the box, without troubles at all.
Personally, I think it's just crap talking. Anyway, even HTC's official press release last week (AFAIR) said that T-Mobile's release is due October...
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Cheers for that. What would i possibly gain from making that up?
Wont bother next time, but lets wait and see eh.
As for specific issues, she couldn't or wouldn't tell me, but when i asked if it was a data or gps problem she said it involves those processes.

I don't think eva_d was calling bullsh*t on you and your post, but on the T-mobile rep and thier reasons for delaying.

chaps said:
I don't think eva_d was calling bullsh*t on you and your post, but on the T-mobile rep and thier reasons for delaying.
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Yes, exactly. Sorry Schooleydoo if you took it wrong.

I was going to wait for Tmobiles branded version, however:
a) T-mobile have made it look like a dogs arse.
b) When i spotted it in stock on device wire, my credit card couldn't resist!

unfortunately / fortunately, i have a safety system for such moments of weekness.
It's called "Wife"
(We would have no money what so ever if this system was not in place.)

pjam said:
unfortunately / fortunately, i have a safety system for such moments of weekness.
It's called "Wife"
(We would have no money what so ever if this system was not in place.)
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Hehehe.. Snap!

pjam said:
unfortunately / fortunately, i have a safety system for such moments of weekness.
It's called "Wife"
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I have exactly the same safety system in place, and actually I never believed I'm going to get Kaiser on the very first stock release (in fact, I also was hoping to get Vario III), but well.. let's say my safety system got loose a bit in this case.

T-mobile October release date?
A T-mobile (UK) business customer rep called me today to say that my business contracts are coming up for renewal. When I said I was holding off renewing to wait for the new Vario he said that although he didn't have specific dates it might not be till late October :-( ! And because he didn't have specific details he couldn't even confirm whether there might be a hanset charge (or how much it might be). He did offer to reduce my monthly line rentals by 66% though for an upgrade with no handset so I'm thinking I'll take that and use the £ saved over the contract term to buy an unlocked Kaiser straightaway

eva_d said:
Yes, exactly. Sorry Schooleydoo if you took it wrong.
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Ahh i see.
[insert embarrased smiley here]
I hope it is crap to be honest, but have heard from her again since and have been told i can buy one from phones4u etc now, they will reimburse me but not give any support. However if the phone goes wrong, they will replace it for a T-mobile version next month.
Tempting

Schooleydoo said:
I hope it is crap to be honest, but have heard from her again since and have been told i can buy one from phones4u etc now, they will reimburse me but not give any support. However if the phone goes wrong, they will replace it for a T-mobile version next month.
Tempting
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Could you please clarify this? T-mob said you can buy and unbranded Kaiser (though i assume not from phones4u as they dont sell it i think), then they will give you the money for it, and if it goes wrong they will swap it for a branded kaiser???

GoogleMaps not working

alright i didn't want to have to do this but here it is, i have used the followig roms and radios and gotten the same results:
ryncppr diamond appeal v4
confused stu mobile vista 1.3
shogun deathrom beta v1 and v3
original att rom build 19209
with all 1.65.xx.xx radios i could find except radio from hell.
i am using google maps 2.0.1.18, for a while googlemaps was kickass because i am horrible with directions and i could use google maps to get me from point a to point b without getting lost, my GPS fix was great and was always accurate within a few feet even in my basement of my house. then one day a few weeks ago i stopped being able to get a fix, it says seeking gps sattelites(0) and nothing happens. i live in fenton missouri in the states, fenton is just outside of st. louis and i am covered by a 3g network. i live less than 5 miles from three att towers so i see no reason for my googlemaps to have quit on me unless my phone has gone deffective. if anyone has any idea or can atleast tell me that they have had the same problem i will worry less about it and move on without my little blue and white dot that moves along on my map. thanks in advance you guys are great

tubaking182 said:
alright i didn't want to have to do this but here it is, i have used the followig roms and radios and gotten the same results:
ryncppr diamond appeal v4
confused stu mobile vista 1.3
shogun deathrom beta v1 and v3
original att rom build 19209
with all 1.65.xx.xx radios i could find except radio from hell.
i am using google maps 2.0.1.18, for a while googlemaps was kickass because i am horrible with directions and i could use google maps to get me from point a to point b without getting lost, my GPS fix was great and was always accurate within a few feet even in my basement of my house. then one day a few weeks ago i stopped being able to get a fix, it says seeking gps sattelites(0) and nothing happens. i live in fenton missouri in the states, fenton is just outside of st. louis and i am covered by a 3g network. i live less than 5 miles from three att towers so i see no reason for my googlemaps to have quit on me unless my phone has gone deffective. if anyone has any idea or can atleast tell me that they have had the same problem i will worry less about it and move on without my little blue and white dot that moves along on my map. thanks in advance you guys are great
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I had the same problem with my kaiser all the radios and ROMs in the world wouldnt help, but I got the phone replaced and now it works when using the same radios and ROMs as my previous phone... My bet is that the GPS reciever is broken

you know google maps isnt 100% accurate

thanks that wasn't the answer i wanted but i called att today and they are sending me a refurbished phone, thanks. as for google maps not being 100% accurate, it doesn't have to be, in most places it tells me within a few feet and i use it when i'm driving to new places and i just have to make sure that my little dot is on the purple line or near enough to let me know where i am. i refuse to pay for the crap that att sells because i can get it for free with google maps and i have used it for a year now and this is the first time it failed me, people with telenav complain all the time and this weekend my girlfriend had a run in with a tom tom and it got her lost in the bad side of town my google has never done that

ok so i called att and they sent me a new tilt under warranty, when it arrived the usb port did not work, i could not sync with my computer so i called them and they express shipped me another one after marking the first as DOA. when my second one arrived it had a cracked lcd screen and when people called me i could not hear them and they could not hear me. somewhere in this time frame my GPS fixed itself and they are expecting me to send it to them, do you think they would notice if i sent the three phones they sent me back to them and kept my old one?

tubaking182 said:
ok so i called att and they sent me a new tilt under warranty, when it arrived the usb port did not work, i could not sync with my computer so i called them and they express shipped me another one after marking the first as DOA. when my second one arrived it had a cracked lcd screen and when people called me i could not hear them and they could not hear me. somewhere in this time frame my GPS fixed itself and they are expecting me to send it to them, do you think they would notice if i sent the three phones they sent me back to them and kept my old one?
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Yes because they have identified the phone by the IMEI #. I would call AT&T and explain the situation. Don't see why they wouldn't be accommodating.

i refuse to pay for the crap that att sells because i can get it for free with google maps and i have used it for a year now and this is the first time it failed me, people with telenav complain all the time and this weekend my girlfriend had a run in with a tom tom and it got her lost in the bad side of town my google has never done that
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Google maps didn't fail you, your phone did. Also I don't see what you being near a major city or a cell tower has to do with a satellite cruising through space.

ChumleyEX said:
Google maps didn't fail you, your phone did. Also I don't see what you being near a major city or a cell tower has to do with a satellite cruising through space.
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Google maps can be used without the aid of a GPS. The locations (0) will give you a close location based on the tower(s) location.

alright, thanks ATW i will call them later when i have a chance and try to explain, and congrats on becoming moderator

after flashing ,y phone i lost the use of my GPS on google maps

Orange Diamond Stock

As I am an employee of Orange I thought I would let you know...
We got an email to day to say there are 3000 handsets "in testing" at the moment, it might not be until August that Online Sales, Phone Sales and Stores will see these handsets. By then they will be Orange Branded.
I would take "in testing" to mean they are putting their own version / skin on the TF3D...um NO!
There was ONLY 413 handsets delivered to ONLY the top 100 stores so thats why they will be hard to find if there are any left. These lucky ones where the "Generic" ones.
I was just lucky I was working the day they where delivered to our store and I got my hands on mine or else I still wouldn't have one...No handset charge, £21 per month, 600mins 2000 texts, 250Mb internet bundle, and Free Insurance.
I work in a top 100 store and we only got 4, I bought mine and we sold the other three in 2 days.... We now have waiting list of about 25 people.... deep joy!
Oh! And from what I have been able to gather from speaking to our Tech Support team Orange's HSDPA coverage is pretty much non-existant unless you are in London and you are sitting on-top of a radio mast, so you may aswell switch it off.
I am finding some funny issues with mine at the moment though....
If I receive 2 text messages one after another (within 30 secs of each other) then the phone vibrates constantly until I take the battery out....anyone else had this?
Also, I installed TomTom 7 on it and for some reason "sometimes" when I call someone once the phone call is connected TomTom starts up all on its own....
The only software I have instlled on the device is TomTom 7 and the latest version of the TF3D config.
the phone is running the following configuration:-
ROM Version: 1.37.405.1 WWE
ROM Date: 12/06/2008
Radio Version: 1.00.25.03
Protocol Version 52.26a.25.09W
.G.

I was told by the Orange rep today that the 3000 were about to be released. They're not going to test all 3000, just a small sample.
Then there'd me no more stock till August.
If that turns out not to be the case then I'll cancel my upgrade.

well im sending mine back on monday so there will be one more lol for someone.
any idea when the toutch pro will be coming out (the reason im sending the diamond back)?

bagg1234bagg said:
well im sending mine back on monday so there will be one more lol for someone.
any idea when the toutch pro will be coming out (the reason im sending the diamond back)?
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Touch Pro is a HELL of a lot thicker, so if the sleek look and feel of the Diamond is your bag it's not quite there with the Touch Pro.
It's not a 'better' phone as such, more aimed at those who demand QWERTY and extendable storage, though it does still look pretty cool.
Release date is allegedly september 1st, but this could be delayed all the more (remember the Shift anyone?)

leoni1980 said:
Touch Pro is a HELL of a lot thicker, so if the sleek look and feel of the Diamond is your bag it's not quite there with the Touch Pro.
It's not a 'better' phone as such, more aimed at those who demand QWERTY and extendable storage, though it does still look pretty cool.
Release date is allegedly september 1st, but this could be delayed all the more (remember the Shift anyone?)
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yeah i know what you meen, but it doesnt bother me coming from the kaiser any way, and all the other previous xda's ive had, i really want the qwerty keyboard thats about it really.

Got my Orange Diamond from mobiles.co.uk - ordered Thursday, sent Friday, delivered Saturday! They clearly have stock (although their website says otherwise!)

kidinspace said:
Oh! And from what I have been able to gather from speaking to our Tech Support team Orange's HSDPA coverage is pretty much non-existant unless you are in London and you are sitting on-top of a radio mast, so you may aswell switch it off.
.G.
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Do you know anymore about the HSDPA rollout?
Cheers

huwwatkins said:
Do you know anymore about the HSDPA rollout?
Cheers
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Would love to know more about this sort of thing but I don't even know who I could contact or where on our vast and poorly made intranet system I could I find out more.
.G.

pro looks like a brick
compared to the diamond.....
and when i stuck my diamond next to the new iphone
the iphone looked like a suit case compared to the diamond!
flash your diamond....and you will make it beter!

bagg1234bagg said:
well im sending mine back on monday so there will be one more lol for someone.
any idea when the toutch pro will be coming out (the reason im sending the diamond back)?
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If HTC launch the phone on September 1st then "IF" and only "IF" Orange decide to sell the handset just add about 2 Months to the launch before you would see it in an Orange shop or be able to get it from Orange direct.
e.g. The Diamond was launched, when?... Middle of May?....Only made it into Orange stock 2 months later.
DO NOT phone Orange anytime soon asking if they are doing Touch Pro as we only get about 3 weeks notice (if we are lucky) as to what the phones we will be selling, so nobody will be able to give you an answer, they just want to keep the hype down so that they don't sell out faster than they can get them in.
Also NEVER trust the instore magazine, in my 2 and a half years at Orange I have never ever seen one that has the truth in to for example the July Mag is the first one to have the Diamond in it with it's specification and not as a "Coming Soon" phone, and the mistake they made? They said it had a 5.0Mp camera. Another fave of the magazine people is to publish phones in there as coming soon but then never sell them!
So if you want to Touch Pro on Orange don't hold your breath, you might be lucky and get it just in time for XMAS!
.G.

Also, if you don't like the answer the call centre person gives you, phone up again 5 minutes later - you get a different person and a different answer!
Keep ringing until you get the answer you like. lol

Can i check sth with the person that works for Orange? If we flash our diamond to a better and faster ROM and then sth happens and we have to send it back under warranty, does this invalidate our warranty? cause if we have a generic ROM on the handset, we can always claim it was one of the first ones that were not Orange branded, right?
Thanks

sgiannis said:
Can i check sth with the person that works for Orange? If we flash our diamond to a better and faster ROM and then sth happens and we have to send it back under warranty, does this invalidate our warranty? cause if we have a generic ROM on the handset, we can always claim it was one of the first ones that were not Orange branded, right?
Thanks
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I would say do it, I've never heard of anyone being caught out in two years...
From a legal point of view it does invalidate your warranty...
As they used to say on "Blind Date"....
The Decision Is Yours.....
.G.

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From a legal point of view it does invalidate your warranty...
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But does it?
I have not read my current T&C, but I found nothing in previous T&Cs to say specifically that that altering the ROM would invalidate the phone warranty.
Technically if the phone is faulty, then it can be returned under warranty and unless the fault was caused directly by the owner/user, then the warranty should be honoured. So if the ROM change caused the fault then you are out of luck, but just because the ROM as been changed, does not mean the fault is the cause of that - for arguments sake a faulty screen or panel button
As this is an electronic device, then updates and enhancements will naturally become available and so its reasonable to assume that these can and should be applied - arguably in the same was as a PC can be upgraded.
But for those not in the UK, check local laws

kidinspace said:
Oh! And from what I have been able to gather from speaking to our Tech Support team Orange's HSDPA coverage is pretty much non-existant unless you are in London and you are sitting on-top of a radio mast, so you may aswell switch it off.
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Orange HSDPA is working well for me when I travel to my 2 local towns - well north of Manchester but its mainly 3G unless I have my t-mobile chip in then in town it's always (H)

PaulusUK said:
But does it?
I have not read my current T&C, but I found nothing in previous T&Cs to say specifically that that altering the ROM would invalidate the phone warranty.
Technically if the phone is faulty, then it can be returned under warranty and unless the fault was caused directly by the owner/user, then the warranty should be honoured. So if the ROM change caused the fault then you are out of luck, but just because the ROM as been changed, does not mean the fault is the cause of that - for arguments sake a faulty screen or panel button
As this is an electronic device, then updates and enhancements will naturally become available and so its reasonable to assume that these can and should be applied - arguably in the same was as a PC can be upgraded.
But for those not in the UK, check local laws
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Sorry, I'm tired, I was getting things confused in my head, removing the SIM LOCK invalidates the warranty unless you get Orange to do it.
ROM updates are ok...
Sorry bout that...
.G.

Coolio! I can update my ROM and its OK!?
I ordered my ROM last saturday online from the Orange website....came on the Tuesday. No Orange branding! Just a small Orange logo on the back of the phone!
Got a few admirers at work. Everyone says its far better looking than the iBrick!
Still in love with my Artemis though! Got iGO8 on both!! ;-)

kidinspace said:
Sorry, I'm tired, I was getting things confused in my head, removing the SIM LOCK invalidates the warranty unless you get Orange to do it.
ROM updates are ok...
Sorry bout that...
.G.
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Good news... now i only have to wait for the diamond to get back in stock as i am eligible for an upgrade on Thursday.
Strange that Vodafone have the handset in stock (in Cambridge anyway) and Orange claim it's going to take a minimum of another couple of weeks... anyway...

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Good news... now i only have to wait for the diamond to get back in stock as i am eligible for an upgrade on Thursday.
Strange that Vodafone have the handset in stock (in Cambridge anyway) and Orange claim it's going to take a minimum of another couple of weeks... anyway...
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Thats because all the original delivery has generic HTC software on it, the team the "bastardises" the phones are running behind schedule at the moment.
.G.

How can I get them to send it to me without them bastardizing it?

T-Mobile UK Serious Reception Issues (DY5 Postcode)

It's been driving me literally mad for the last few days. I've tried different handsets and different SIMs and the problem appears to be with any T-Mobile SIM + 3G handset. Works fine when 3G is disabled. I've lived at DY5 for almost a year now and the reception never let me down until now - from time to time whoever calls me think my phone's off! Did Hard Reset my Kaiser a few times and changed the radio to 1.65.24.36.(Dutty's 6.1 19209 ROM). The other handset MDA Touch Plus(aka Niki) is brand new and has 1.58.21.23 radio. So my questions are:
1 Is there anyone else with a similar problem?
2 How do I fix it?
3 Best radio to ensure good reception in UK?
Any advice is welcome

It looks like everyone in the UK has a fantastic signal....except me of course...

You should probably speak directly to T-mobile because if you look at the Dudley DY5 postcode area here: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/coverage/street-check/ you can see that the coverage should be perfect.
We had a problem at Castle Donington for a while and it turned out that there was a transmitter problem in the area that they were working on. Where I live in the East midlands has terrible reception for an urban area.
The vodafone map is probably more realistic as a lot of companies share the transmitters http://maps.vodafone.co.uk/coverageviewer/web/default.aspx
I can see in the DY5 area there are a few pockets of areas that aren't covered at the moment but will be in 6 months.
Rob

Thanks for your reply mate! I'll call them tomorrow...again! For the last couple of weeks or so T-Mo had some DNS problems here and now this...
By the way I couldn't follow your second link - it says my browser's no good. In fact all three of them. I guess one needs a special voda-complient super browser to access that site

User X said:
Thanks for your reply mate! I'll call them tomorrow...again! For the last couple of weeks or so T-Mo had some DNS problems here and now this...
By the way I couldn't follow your second link - it says my browser's no good. In fact all three of them. I guess one needs a special voda-complient super browser to access that site
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I use Firefox 3 ( http://www.mozilla.com ). I just tested it with IE and it worked too. Check that you haven't locked down the javascript too strongly or add maps.vodafone.co.uk as a trusted site in your browser.
It's probably worth you reading this particular post and thread http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?t=79628&p=382191
Rob

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I use Firefox 3 ( http://www.mozilla.com ). I just tested it with IE and it worked too. Check that you haven't locked down the javascript too strongly or add maps.vodafone.co.uk as a trusted site in your browser.
It's probably worth you reading this particular post and thread http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?t=79628&p=382191
Rob
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I had the same problem when i was with t-mobil, went to the shop, and they told me to disable 3G, all staff had been advised to do it in the shop aswell.
Im in dudley, and it was the merry hill shop i went to, so maybe it is something to do with the area ?

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I had the same problem when i was with t-mobil, went to the shop, and they told me to disable 3G, all staff had been advised to do it in the shop aswell.
Im in dudley, and it was the merry hill shop i went to, so maybe it is something to do with the area ?
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I discovered that disabling 3G fixes the problem,but then there will be no point for me in staying with T-Mobile. I live a couple of miles away from Merry Hill, so I guess you're the first one to confirm that the reception problem does exist here.

rfarnell said:
I use Firefox 3 ( http://www.mozilla.com ). I just tested it with IE and it worked too. Check that you haven't locked down the javascript too strongly or add maps.vodafone.co.uk as a trusted site in your browser.
It's probably worth you reading this particular post and thread http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?t=79628&p=382191
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Someone had the same problem 3 years ago and all T-Mo could tell him is to swith to GSM...
Today I had no problems with phone calls, still 1-2 bars of signal, but if it happens again I'll have to insist they do something about it...
IE, Opera and Mozilla Firefox(not fan by the way) are all the three browsers I tried and all up to date. But that was smth to do with the fact that I'm using W'n'W with laptop, coz the site is accessible via online proxy...

voda v o2 v tmobile

I've done a few searches and I don't think this question(s) has been asked before, but if it has just point me in the right direction.
Firstly, i'm looking at getting a diamond on one of the mention networks (orange is out as i'm swapping from orange and they couldn't offer me a decent upgrade package).
So... What i'd like to know is what are the differences in each of the different networks versions of the diamond in software terms (ie I looked at the tmobile mda and noticed that opera and youtube apps were missing). Is it the same on the others? With just the simfree htc diamond coming with opera and youtube installed.
Also, is it possible to reflash all of the handsets back to plain old htc? or are there only particular ones to go for. If so it would then just come down to which network can offer the best tariff (plus i think the mda looks the nicest).
I've also seen someone posting a 'sprint' theme which i think looks even better than htcs original, if i flash back to the original is the sprint theme an add on or does it replace the htc artwork, i'd rather have it replace than add as I don't want to fill the handset with crud.
Regards
veearrsix

Hi,
I can only give my views on T-Mobile (i have had MDAs for the last 4 years)
The last phone i got was the HTC Kaiser (or t-mobiles version), which sadly got stolen insurance paid out, and i got a HTC Diamond (original SIM free). i must say thats its nice not having all the T-Mobile branding and crap everywhere.
You could just go for a T-Mobile phone and flash a original HTC ROM if you wanted to have a 'original' feel to it. this would require Hard-SPL and voiding your warrenty (unless u put it back and they dont notice )
I personally would go for the O2 option, as they are known for not changing the phone much from original, and sometimes the handsets arent even network locked!
As far as the Sprint theme goes, it depends on if it is just a theme, or a ROM cooked to look like the Sprint. i had a "Sprint Flavour" ROM, which was just the sprint themes, no original HTC stuff. If you decide you want just the theme, then you will have HTC and Sprint on your phone, unless you get clever and find all the files to remove the HTC stuff.
Hope this helps,

I have the diamond on vodafone... I had Opera and youtube apps as part of the phone ... plus you get satnav software... freeish to use for 18 months.. (just have to download a small bit of data to get started).
Upgrade the rom to vodafones 1.93 and things are a lot better...

o2 comes with Opera, the youtube thingy and TT7 pre-installed. Also with a blueish Manila/TouchFLo theme. A 1.93 ROM (Which speeds up the whole thing by a good amount) is available through their website.

Cheers for the info so far, looking like an o2 or voda version at the mo.
The TT7 on the o2 ignito, is it a trial or the full version?

TT software is free, you have to pay for the maps.
Usually you get to download a small area map (of your choice). Usually just a town or two.
obviously, if you feel like breaking the law you can just download the UK maps from a warez site. NOT HERE!

veearrsix said:
Cheers for the info so far, looking like an o2 or voda version at the mo.
The TT7 on the o2 ignito, is it a trial or the full version?
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I have a UK Ignito, it doesn't come with TT, it *is* unlocked (as are all O2 pay monthly handsets AFAIK), and IMO the O2 back is much nicer than the HTC/Vodafone diamond back as it's flat and sort of a matte finish. It also has the full design memory complement
The camera seems to be better than some versions as well, maybe because the back cover window is flat or better quality.
I had the choice of all networks and picked the Ignito as the best, the only thing it doesn't have is QuickGPS (as it is supposedly not necessary, I can't find a version that works on the Ignito so I can't tell whether it makes a useful difference).
I got a good deal from O2 by being persistent (including unlimited data ) so if you go that route let them know that you're considering ALL the alternatives
HTH
Kim

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IMO the O2 back is much nicer than the HTC/Vodafone diamond back as it's flat and sort of a matte finish.
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Same as T-Mobile back cover?

It looks like the ignito has been dropped from the o2 website. There is no product page for it anymore, I doubt the product page would disappear if they had no stock.
Weird??!!??

http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phone/O2/Xda Ignito
hmm...

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Same as T-Mobile back cover?
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Yes it looks like it's the same, but isn't the T-Mob one memory crippled ?
It looks like the ignito has been dropped from the o2 website. There is no product page for it anymore, I doubt the product page would disappear if they had no stock.
Weird??!!??
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Yeah, I noticed it doesn't come up on the shop pages - still there on the XDA microsite though, and I bet they'll find you one if it means getting the money

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Yes it looks like it's the same, but isn't the T-Mob one memory crippled ?
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ay?
from T-Mobile bloatware, so just generally?!

mugglesquop said:
ay?
from T-Mobile bloatware, so just generally?!
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From gsmarena MDA Compact IV review "The system RAM however has shrunk to 128MB as opposed to 192MB in the HTC Touch Diamond."
The rounded off MDA casing is the nicest IMO though.

cozzykim said:
From gsmarena MDA Compact IV review "The system RAM however has shrunk to 128MB as opposed to 192MB in the HTC Touch Diamond."
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ah rite, T-Mobile Bloat-ware for you they had to take some of the RAM to increase the phones memory after filling it with crap!
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The rounded off MDA casing is the nicest IMO though.
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agreed +1

But and Also
I prefer GSM900 over 1800, my GF has T-Mob and she frequently (bad area) has no signal where I have no probs on O2
But now I'm jus' gettin' picky

yeh, T-Mobile generally suck on signal, think they may have just taken down a transmitter in my area, my whole family is with T-Mobile, and we all now have ****e signal lol

cozzykim said:
I have a UK Ignito, it doesn't come with TT, it *is* unlocked (as are all O2 pay monthly handsets AFAIK), and IMO the O2 back is much nicer than the HTC/Vodafone diamond back as it's flat and sort of a matte finish. It also has the full design memory complement
The camera seems to be better than some versions as well, maybe because the back cover window is flat or better quality.
I had the choice of all networks and picked the Ignito as the best, the only thing it doesn't have is QuickGPS (as it is supposedly not necessary, I can't find a version that works on the Ignito so I can't tell whether it makes a useful difference).
I got a good deal from O2 by being persistent (including unlimited data ) so if you go that route let them know that you're considering ALL the alternatives
HTH
Kim
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ditto
No - the O2 'Ignito' (UK) does NOT come with TT
It IS unlocked
...and agreed, the flat back is MUCH better than the faceted diamond, and better feel
I got a good deal going through retentions - which you might try with your current network - retentions always offer the best deals
Also - maybe hold out for the Raphael/Pro?

I also considered a TP/Raphael from Voda but decided that thinner/lighter is better.
I like the Ignito more than I expected although it has its foibles (don't they always?).
Get used to the Qualcomm GPS not being as good as the SirfIII in my Artemis/Orbit though it is *just* tolerable.
If your car has a metallised windscreen you could be in trouble!!
(BTW I'm a hardware engineer and I'm pretty sure it's the GPS antenna that's the problem)

i havent had any problems with GPS... if anything its better than my Kaiser and Artemis!

Thanks for all the info, i've gone with vodafone 18months, £30/mth, 150mins, 500txts, unlimited data(think its capped to 500mb) - (i tried orange retentions and they weren't interested!).
I'll wait n see what stuff is bundled on it, then probably wipe it all off with a new rom and sprint theme =0)