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T-Mob UK release pushed back to October

Well 08/09/07 is out of the window.
Was told by a customer service rep yesterday (who i have been dealing with for a few years now and is very reliable) that they have had to push it back to late October.
This is due to customers buying the Kaiser from Expansys etc, putting a T-mobile sim in and finding certain processes failing, ie Web n Walk, GPS etc.
So it needs further testing before they release it officially and can support it with no bugs.

Schooleydoo said:
Well 08/09/07 is out of the window.
Was told by a customer service rep yesterday (who i have been dealing with for a few years now and is very reliable) that they have had to push it back to late October.
This is due to customers buying the Kaiser from Expansys etc, putting a T-mobile sim in and finding certain processes failing, ie Web n Walk, GPS etc.
So it needs further testing before they release it officially and can support it with no bugs.
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what kind of problems with web-n-walk? mine is due anytime now, just waiting on city link to deliver it. im going to stick my t-mobile contract sim in it and use it on t-mobile. i hope its not too bad a problem

Schooleydoo said:
Was told by a customer service rep yesterday (who i have been dealing with for a few years now and is very reliable) that they have had to push it back to late October.
This is due to customers buying the Kaiser from Expansys etc, putting a T-mobile sim in and finding certain processes failing, ie Web n Walk, GPS etc.
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Bullsh*t. First off, Kaiser has been released like 2-3 days ago, so how many of such customers are here already with that kind of problems, that T-Mobile could actually carry out 'further investigation'??? Second, I have T-Mobile's SIM card with web'n'walk, and so far no problems noticed! 3G/HSDPA, videocalls, GPS - all works out of the box, without troubles at all.
Personally, I think it's just crap talking. Anyway, even HTC's official press release last week (AFAIR) said that T-Mobile's release is due October...

eva_d said:
Bullsh*t. First off, Kaiser has been released like 2-3 days ago, so how many of such customers are here already with that kind of problems, that T-Mobile could actually carry out 'further investigation'??? Second, I have T-Mobile's SIM card with web'n'walk, and so far no problems noticed! 3G/HSDPA, videocalls, GPS - all works out of the box, without troubles at all.
Personally, I think it's just crap talking. Anyway, even HTC's official press release last week (AFAIR) said that T-Mobile's release is due October...
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phew i was getting worried. so is tomtom working fine on it?

dolbe said:
phew i was getting worried. so is tomtom working fine on it?
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Works fine, however I was disappointed with free map of London I've downloaded. It covers central London + zones 2, 3, maybe 4 - roughly. It surely doesn't cover Heathrow area, where I live. :/

is the tomtom you get with it a time trial? if so ill stick the version ive got on my vario with my uk and western european maps on it

dolbe said:
is the tomtom you get with it a time trial? if so ill stick the version ive got on my vario with my uk and western european maps on it
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It's not time limited, both TT and free map. You need to pay extra only when you want to download more maps.

ok well ive got a "fix" for tomtom so ill stick with the version ive got now. well its arrived and charging. just had a quick play with it before i let it charge...it was hard putting it down heh.

Gah you had me worried there
I should receive mine soon, i'll let you know if i have any issues! (on T-mobile as well).
Fingers crossed!

dolbe said:
ok well ive got a "fix" for tomtom so ill stick with the version ive got now. well its arrived and charging. just had a quick play with it before i let it charge...it was hard putting it down heh.
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Play with it whilst it's charging!

eva_d said:
Bullsh*t. First off, Kaiser has been released like 2-3 days ago, so how many of such customers are here already with that kind of problems, that T-Mobile could actually carry out 'further investigation'??? Second, I have T-Mobile's SIM card with web'n'walk, and so far no problems noticed! 3G/HSDPA, videocalls, GPS - all works out of the box, without troubles at all.
Personally, I think it's just crap talking. Anyway, even HTC's official press release last week (AFAIR) said that T-Mobile's release is due October...
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Cheers for that. What would i possibly gain from making that up?
Wont bother next time, but lets wait and see eh.
As for specific issues, she couldn't or wouldn't tell me, but when i asked if it was a data or gps problem she said it involves those processes.

I don't think eva_d was calling bullsh*t on you and your post, but on the T-mobile rep and thier reasons for delaying.

chaps said:
I don't think eva_d was calling bullsh*t on you and your post, but on the T-mobile rep and thier reasons for delaying.
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Yes, exactly. Sorry Schooleydoo if you took it wrong.

I was going to wait for Tmobiles branded version, however:
a) T-mobile have made it look like a dogs arse.
b) When i spotted it in stock on device wire, my credit card couldn't resist!

unfortunately / fortunately, i have a safety system for such moments of weekness.
It's called "Wife"
(We would have no money what so ever if this system was not in place.)

pjam said:
unfortunately / fortunately, i have a safety system for such moments of weekness.
It's called "Wife"
(We would have no money what so ever if this system was not in place.)
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Hehehe.. Snap!

pjam said:
unfortunately / fortunately, i have a safety system for such moments of weekness.
It's called "Wife"
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I have exactly the same safety system in place, and actually I never believed I'm going to get Kaiser on the very first stock release (in fact, I also was hoping to get Vario III), but well.. let's say my safety system got loose a bit in this case.

T-mobile October release date?
A T-mobile (UK) business customer rep called me today to say that my business contracts are coming up for renewal. When I said I was holding off renewing to wait for the new Vario he said that although he didn't have specific dates it might not be till late October :-( ! And because he didn't have specific details he couldn't even confirm whether there might be a hanset charge (or how much it might be). He did offer to reduce my monthly line rentals by 66% though for an upgrade with no handset so I'm thinking I'll take that and use the £ saved over the contract term to buy an unlocked Kaiser straightaway

eva_d said:
Yes, exactly. Sorry Schooleydoo if you took it wrong.
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Ahh i see.
[insert embarrased smiley here]
I hope it is crap to be honest, but have heard from her again since and have been told i can buy one from phones4u etc now, they will reimburse me but not give any support. However if the phone goes wrong, they will replace it for a T-mobile version next month.
Tempting

Schooleydoo said:
I hope it is crap to be honest, but have heard from her again since and have been told i can buy one from phones4u etc now, they will reimburse me but not give any support. However if the phone goes wrong, they will replace it for a T-mobile version next month.
Tempting
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Could you please clarify this? T-mob said you can buy and unbranded Kaiser (though i assume not from phones4u as they dont sell it i think), then they will give you the money for it, and if it goes wrong they will swap it for a branded kaiser???

AT&T Exchanges - Your Nightmare Stories!

Unemployed, in the middle of a job search, and my Tilt succumbs to the RLoD. Yay!
Looks like the only solution is to obtain a replacement phone from AT&T. As a flash-aholic (thanks, Dutty ), I'm really wondering about their replacement policy, as some have mentioned that they'll bill your account for the replacement phone in some cases. (I obviously refuse to pay for a replacement phone when mine is dead after only three months... much less pay full price for a refurb!)
It's been determined that this problem is NOT isolated to reflashed phones; since stock ROMs succumb to it as well, my flashing has nothing to do with the problem. Obviously, I can't flash back to the original ROM because the phone is a brick. However, because it's a brick, they won't know I've flashed a custom ROM until they repair it somehow.
So is the charge billed to my account only as long as it takes for me to return the broken phone? Is it only billed if I fail to return the broken phone? Will it show up down the road when they realize I loaded a custom ROM? (Again - unemployed, so can't afford to pay for another phone anyway.)
Finally, and most importantly - has anyone with the RLoD (or any other phone issue) returned a custom ROM-loaded phone to AT&T? If so, what was your experience?
Thanks so much - using my old Sony Ericsson Z500a for the past week has been ridiculous, and I really want to know if I can make the call to AT&T or not...

ok, well first of all pay attention to the warnings... 3 months old or not when you flashed the different spl, or cooked rom you voided the warranty.. yes the phone could be defective, but any manufacturer can refuse repairs or charge you for the repairs since it was flashed with a non htc/att rom..
As far as the return process... its an advanced type rma in 99% of the cases meaning they will ship you a refurbed unit with the materials needed to ship yours back... if they dont recieve your defective phone within so many days they will charge your account for the replacement(this is to prevent fraud, obviously). I have also heard in some rare cases where people were charged for the replacement after the repair facility notified of an unapproved rom/bootloader on the phone. and in some cases people get away with it...
so its 50/50 shot... i would do everything possible to return it to a stock bootloader and rom before sending back (which in your case you might just have to roll the dice..)

ive exchange many phones and i dont flash to stock roms and ive never had a issue

I was in the exact same position as you about a month ago. I got the RLOD about 4 days into using my tilt and it had been running the HTC stock rom for 3 days, I flashed it the day after I got it.
When the RLOD hit, I was really worried. I was in the 30 day return period, so all I had to do was take it to the store and get a new one. I knew they wouldn't be able to tell in the store, as the consumer and retail end is really non-technical. I was afraid that if they revived the phone at ATT tech or HTC that they would find out.
This said, I built a little contraption at work that hooked up to my 12v car battery and wires into the battery prongs on the tilt. I figured the tilt could handle 12v without catching on fire - it did. However, I'm completely sure they any data will be completely unrecoverable, and the only thing that will salvage is the case. I figured they have no way to call you on a total phone fry, because it could be lots of things that cause that. However, you should have heard the noise it made. I almost made a video, but it was too incriminating. 12v is devastating to a phone, it was cool! I cooked a 600 dollar piece of equipment and got a new one!
That was over a month ago, no word from anyone. Also, I saw on the RLOD post that one user said HTC replaced the whole motherboard as that was the issue - if this is the case I'm sure that all of your old data stored on the ROM in the motherboard goes in the trash as well, as they probably don't take the time to machine re-solder used boards.
Your probably fine, as all RLOD's seem non-relivable. If you want to make a 12v fryer, it's easy. I took a lot of time on mine, because it was fun, but the gist of it is to get a wire from positive to positive and negative to negative from your 12v to your phone. If you do this, please be careful, and DONT touch the wires together because it will cause and arc and melt your prongs - no good. I built a full fryer with a switch and everything, but it was overboard.
My 2 cents.

Also, to avoid this I am sticking with the ATT rom from here on out. It's too risky for something so expensive. I have my phone the exach was it was with the stock HTC minus a few small things. doing a hard reset and pulling the battery before customization works miracles. Almost everything else is available in cabs.

xconradx said:
Also, to avoid this I am sticking with the ATT rom from here on out. It's too risky for something so expensive. I have my phone the exach was it was with the stock HTC minus a few small things. doing a hard reset and pulling the battery before customization works miracles. Almost everything else is available in cabs.
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The AT&T ROM is by far the most boring and least productive IMO. Couldn't you flash to the HTC ROM and be fine under warranty/returns?

redsrule2500 said:
The AT&T ROM is by far the most boring and least productive IMO. Couldn't you flash to the HTC ROM and be fine under warranty/returns?
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It is boring, but when you get rid of bloatware and install the joys that HTC has available its pretty much the same as the stock HTC rom. You can still get the cube and today screen and everything else in cabs.
I think your voiding by hardSPL, not by having the stock HTC ROM. The egg comes before the chicken.

Just a thought...
Does anybody think that there is a correlation between phones being sent back to AT&T with HardSPL still on the device and the fact that HardSPL has not worked on the latest display driver (1.57.00, 1.81.00 and 1.82.00) equipped Kaiser's?

shogunmark said:
i would do everything possible to return it to a stock bootloader and rom before sending back (which in your case you might just have to roll the dice..)
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You are correct - I'll have to roll the dice, as there's no way I can return it to stock condition. It won't start.
Thanks for your comments, everyone. So far, I've got:
someone advising that sending it back is a 50/50 chance
someone who has returned several phones with non-stock ROMs without repercussion from AT&T
someone worried enough that they fried the phone completely (awesome!)
So now I only need to hear from one last person: someone who HAS had to pay for a replacement phone from AT&T. For any reason, but specifically because you had a custom ROM on it...
Thanks again, all!

Lol...I've returned 2 tilts to at&t with flashed roms, and I haven't had a problem yet...That's right I'm working on my 3rd tilt since october ^_^ I LOVE AT&T

Maknificent said:
Lol...I've returned 2 tilts to at&t with flashed roms, and I haven't had a problem yet...That's right I'm working on my 3rd tilt since october ^_^ I LOVE AT&T
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Thanks. Whulp, guess I'll make the call today then!

How can i get online on my Laptop
with the help of My Phone At&t Tilt ?
is there a cab for it ? or ?
Please Help

ilordvader said:
How can i get online on my Laptop
with the help of My Phone At&t Tilt ?
is there a cab for it ? or ?
Please Help
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PLease do not post this question here, this is not related to the topic... please do some more reading or post in the general subfora...

shogunmark said:
PLease do not post this question here, this is not related to the topic... please do some more reading or post in the general subfora...
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sORRY

drokkon said:
Thanks. Whulp, guess I'll make the call today then!
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So made the call yesterday, got the replacement phone today, less than 24 hours from TX to CO. Great customer service, but I couldn't get them to pick up the overnight shipping as some had said I could. $12 ain't bad though.
Hopefully my custom ROM-flashed brick won't do me in for $500, but I'll let y'all know if it does.

*Anxiously awaiting* =subscribed=

xconradx said:
This said, I built a little contraption at work that hooked up to my 12v car battery and wires into the battery prongs on the tilt. I figured the tilt could handle 12v without catching on fire - it did. However, I'm completely sure they any data will be completely unrecoverable, and the only thing that will salvage is the case. I figured they have no way to call you on a total phone fry, because it could be lots of things that cause that. However, you should have heard the noise it made. I almost made a video, but it was too incriminating. 12v is devastating to a phone, it was cool! I cooked a 600 dollar piece of equipment and got a new one!
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I've heard that a few seconds in the microwave can work wonders without the fireworks. Hopefully I'll never have to try that route...

arexben said:
*Anxiously awaiting* =subscribed=
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Are you bricked too? Or merely curious as to the fate of us cursed few?
In other news, my replacement unit won't stay connected to the cell network. Even when it occasionally shows 4 bars, I can't make or receive calls. OS is sluggish too. Guess I'll flash the radio, maybe the ROM, then maybe send THIS one back too.
Does anyone know if my new IMEI number might affect my phone performance? Meaning, do I have to call AT&T and let them know my new handset's IMEI number?

drokkon said:
Does anyone know if my new IMEI number might affect my phone performance? Meaning, do I have to call AT&T and let them know my new handset's IMEI number?
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short answer is no...

drokkon said:
Are you bricked too? Or merely curious as to the fate of us cursed few?
In other news, my replacement unit won't stay connected to the cell network. Even when it occasionally shows 4 bars, I can't make or receive calls. OS is sluggish too. Guess I'll flash the radio, maybe the ROM, then maybe send THIS one back too.
Does anyone know if my new IMEI number might affect my phone performance? Meaning, do I have to call AT&T and let them know my new handset's IMEI number?
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You and I have had identical issues! After I got my replacement, I couldn't make or receive calls even with service. It's not the ROM or radio, it's ATT. I had to call and get to a higher level tech, because everyone else told me there were zero problems with my account and that I must have bad reception at my house. I knew for a fact I have full service at home. Whenever I tried to call it would beep 3 times (beep (pause) beepbeep)... after about 2 hours he finally got it to work, but I have no idea what he did. I did have to read him my IMEI about a thousand times though, and he was digging pretty deep to find whatever he got to fix it.
Good luck. Since I had so may issues ATT gave me 25 off my next 2 bills, which was cool.

Irish Diamond problems

hi there
i have a touch diamond that was got from holland , unlocked and unbranded
rom version 1.35.401.3 WWE
using the Meteor pre pay network
last week the when making calls the person at the end of the line can not hear a thing im saying
anything I can do to fix this ?
step by step guides ?
thanks
Joe

Wooo! Another Diamond user in Ireland!
I'm also on Meteor pre-pay, but I have a Diamond from the UK (1.37.405.1 WWE). I've had no problems with calls or texts or anything...apart from mobile internet.
The built-in connection settings for Meteor are just wrong. They don't work at all. The WAP settings are available elsewhere on the internet, but I've managed to acquire (after confusing Meteor customer care quite a lot, because they've obviously never even heard of HTC) working mobile internet settings. The only problem is that their prices are ridiculous (2c per KB)...but at least I can check emails and the weather if I really need to.
If anyone wants the proper Meteor mobile internet settings, just ask (or phone customer care...and be prepared for a long conversation).
Oh, getting back to the original problem, have you tried your device on any other network? I would really doubt that the problem is Meteor-specific, because I've never had any problems using HTC devices on Meteor. BTW, aren't the new pre-pay deals really cool? Not sure about that magic mobile genie though...

Alright lads! Where did you get your Diamonds? and for how much? I'm trying to bring one into Ireland, cheapest way?
I would also hazard a guess that it's a phone specific problem, have you tried flashing a different rom?
Meteor Pre Pay here btw... I'm signed up to the 3G test, I get free 3G till the end of August! woohoo! They'll have PAYG deals when they release to the public in October.

i got it from Capti-lux in hollands airport, phone is great like but need to sort out why people cant hear me on it though ! ha
i ever bothered with the internet settings for it as i use the wireless when needed for emails etc , and the 3g will be out in october
@ DArk fire
what bad are you on ? gsm/umts ...

joe. said:
i got it from Capti-lux in hollands airport, phone is great like but need to sort out why people cant hear me on it though ! ha
i ever bothered with the internet settings for it as i use the wireless when needed for emails etc , and the 3g will be out in october
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what bad are you on ? gsm/umts ...
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This may be just me, but I would try upgrading the radio. I've had the same issues with some of my other htc phones and it always fixed it for me.

I am on Vodafone and no problem with HTC DT on 3G in Galway. I have flashed it with a Diamond Project ROM including the latest radio and had to fix the access point to hs.vodafone.ie
Got mine on Ebay this week from all4ustore_lv for €450, paid last Friday, got delivered this Tuesday! Scary part is the insurance, it shipped as a memory module with value of £50. If you are a frequent visitor to Paddy Power then I suppose you can take this gamble too...

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Alright lads! Where did you get your Diamonds? and for how much? I'm trying to bring one into Ireland, cheapest way?
I would also hazard a guess that it's a phone specific problem, have you tried flashing a different rom?
Meteor Pre Pay here btw... I'm signed up to the 3G test, I get free 3G till the end of August! woohoo! They'll have PAYG deals when they release to the public in October.
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The cheapest way to get a Diamond is probably to get one from eBay or the UK. Some websites don't like delivering to random countries though, so you might have to physically go to a shop if you don't like the eBay. I wonder if they're available in Northern Ireland - I can't see any reason for them not being available there...
3G test! I heard about that, but as I'm only in Ireland erratically I've never really investigated it. I'm here for a while now though - how did you sign up to the 3G test? On 3G do they still charge that crazy 2c per KB? Also, how good is the 3G network (coverage, speed, etc.)?
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GSM, unfortunately.

catdog said:
I am on Vodafone and no problem with HTC DT on 3G in Galway. I have flashed it with a Diamond Project ROM including the latest radio and had to fix the access point to hs.vodafone.ie
Got mine on Ebay this week from all4ustore_lv for €450, paid last Friday, got delivered this Tuesday! Scary part is the insurance, it shipped as a memory module with value of £50. If you are a frequent visitor to Paddy Power then I suppose you can take this gamble too...
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how do I go about flashing the phone ? need a good guide if you have it handy thanks

got mine from germany 470€ 3 weeks ago and brought it over to ireland.
did someone tried the o2.ie broadband addon with HSDPA?

joe. said:
how do I go about flashing the phone ? need a good guide if you have it handy thanks
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Flashing in 2 steps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408621
hardspl 1.24
ROM of your choice such as:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407572
Direct download link:
http://duttythroy.net/downloads/ind...DiamProject_V2_5.2.19965_Radio_1.00.25.06.zip
Follow the instructions and backup anything important.

Ordered the Diamond from the UK the day it was released. Upgraded the rom to Dutty's Diamond Project and it works a treat. On O2 network and getting a Gig a month for €15 so thats pretty good. After Flashing with Dutty's ROM I have freed up about 20% more memory so it runs much smoother.

ok ill try and do that over the weekend , thanks all

ok iv seem to have got it working now again

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On O2 network and getting a Gig a month for €15 so thats pretty good.
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Is that on some kind of contract?
1GB would cost €20,971.52 on Meteor.

Irish guys, Expansis have some cheap Diamonds as "B" stock, and having just returned from W.Cork visiting me Dad, I recommend TomTom7 to you, the Irish maps are spot on. Wish I was there now.

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Irish guys, Expansis have some cheap Diamonds as "B" stock, and having just returned from W.Cork visiting me Dad, I recommend TomTom7 to you, the Irish maps are spot on. Wish I was there now.
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Isn't the "B" stock all of those returned grey imports from HK? Thanks for the tip about TomTom7 in Ireland.

Hey lads, living in the south and I've ordered the Diamond, should have it in a few days.
Up until now I've been using an old Acer n310 (WM5 and no phone capabilities and linked via bluetooth to a GPS module) with iGo 2006 (for about a year) and iGo8 (for the last 2 months). I've been trying TomTom 6 on and off. My job involves driving all around Munster and the iGo maps are far better to the TomTom 6 maps; more complete in terms of small roads, and more road and townland labelling. Also higher accuracy. So I'll be using iGo8 on the Diamond too. I definitely recommend it.
I'd been connecting the Acer to my bluetooth phone to use the internet and get my emails. I'm on O2 billpay and 250mb is €7.50 a month, which is great value. So the Diamond will mean one device instead of 3 for getting my emails, making calls, and navigating around the place.
Isn't there an issue that using alternative ROMs will cause the AGPS to stop working?

TomTom 6 uses the older navtek maps, TomTom7 uses the latest Teleatlas maps, which for W.Cork anyway seemed to have every little road, if you could call it a road. Some of the little lanes in W.Cork just aren't good for your suspension, I mean they are smaller than the width of my car and rougher than the dark side of the moon!

Using TomTom 7 on my Diamond + Uk/Ie Maps been to dublin cork waterford and never had any problems.

joe. said:
ok iv seem to have got it working now again
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Right it seams to be an intermittent problem , could it be something to do with the network signal ?

Upgrade Advice

I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?

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I currently have a Kaiser (HTC TyTnII on UK Orange) but have only just looked into the HTC Touch Diamond... and wow, does it look nice!
On the Orange website it's saying I can't upgrade my phone until May next year. eBay has the Diamond at around £350.
So, I guess I'm wondering if anyone can advise me. Are Orange likely to cut me a deal if I call them up? I guess I'm bound to a contract with them at present so I can't say I'm leaving them. Will it be easiest just to buy one from eBay?
Is it worth it? Is the Touch Pro out or coming out soon? Should I wait for that?
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If you can't upgrade until May then you'll get little joy out of Orange I'm afraid. You have to be in the last three months of your contract before they'll let you upgrade. However, saying that you've got nothing to lose by calling them and you may be able to get a deal if you change your package to a more expensive one.
Cal them first before going the eBay route - as I said you've got nothing to lose.
Is it worth it? Hell, yeah! I was torn between the Diamond and waiting for the Pro, but impatience got the better of me and I plumped for the Diamond.
Even though I've only had it a day I can definitely say that it is fantastic! It's up to you if you want to wait for the Pro. I've come from a TyTN II myself and I sat back and really thought about it before going for the Diamond, and basically asked myself two questions:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
2. How much free space did I have on my 4Gb SD card? 2.5Gb, so for me having 4Gb of non-upgradable storage wasn't an issue.
The final thing that swung it for me was the size of the thing. It's good to have a PDA that's "phone sized", rather than being a huge brick.

Thats a good idea Have a word with Orange and twist there arms, see what you can do. I think my missus is due an Upgrade in August and im sure she will go for the Diamond (but as shes skint, I think shes gonna put it on eBay!!!!!!!)
I love my diamond and have used phones with hardware keyboards and like the post above says, how often do you really use it?
Software professionals and IT gurus would probably miss it as im sure using a hardware keyboard and using the Remote Desktop software is a great combination, but the VGA screen is excellent on the Diamond, its the best phone ive ever owned (and ive had quite a few...see my signature!)
Diamond = Thumbs up. Theres sooo much software and tweaks out at the moment with more software coming out just around the corner!
The futures bright, the futures...errr...Diamond? hehe!

Teppic24 said:
1. How often did I use the keypad? Very rarely, maybe three times in the eight months that I owned the phone.
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Wow, how did you cope without the keypad? I think I probably use it 10-20 times a day and this is the main reason I'm holding back on upgrading I guess.
It looks a fantastic piece of kit... but I don't think I'd like using an onscreen keyboard

How long have you been with Orange?
If it's over a couple of years remind them how much money they have had off you and if that doesn't work tell them you will consider cancelling the contract. Generally they want to keep customers so will eventually give in.
Also, it's always good to ask to speak to their line manager if they can't help.

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Get Diamond or wait for Diamond 2??

I am in search of a new phone for Sprint. I have the Titan (Mogul) and want to upgrade. Not sure how long before the Diamond 2 will be available for Sprint. Any suggestions?
I checked with Sprints CSR's but they said they have not heard of it

wait for it

well in europe the diamond2 is launching april or may, as far as i have been told. but since you use sprint, i guess you are from USA right? and its said that USA would not get it until Q3 or Q4 of 2009. with that said i would wait no matter what, unless you really hate your titan. because diamond is good but diamond2 is for sure worth the wait

Well, Q3 or Q4, thats towards the end of the year. The titan is falling apart, i took it to get serviced and they charged $100, so i figured i might as well upgrade since i am due and i can get the Diamond for $199. Not sure what the Diamond2 is going to cost. Any word out?
If it comes out end of this year, i am sure I will be due for an upgrade by Q1 next year and by then they will have fixed all the ROM issues and bugs"? Ideas?

I would suggest not waiting for it as it might take forever or never to get to you particular cell phone provider. The Diamond thanks to this forum is great. As far as price is concern...based on speculation that the specs. are pretty much identical to the HTC HD, expect the price to be high....
So affordability might be an issue regarding this decision as well.

Thats exactly what i was thinking. not sure how long before Sprint actually starts to have them available on their network. Even if they have it end of this year for Christmas, it will take a few months for the price to be reduced and at that time i will be eligible for an upgrade to another phone by late Q1.
What is the best ROM to have on the diamond and what suggestions do you all recommend once i receive it? I am sure i have lots of read on this site to make the most of the Diamond, but any quick suggestions?
How is the texting on it, easy to use? i am used to the full keyboard from titan.

I will send you my thoughts / recommendations in your PM box....check there

thanks for your recommendation. i will place the order today for the Diamond. Any links you all want to recommend me to so that i can view it and learn more about the Diamond before it arrives?.

for me, the diamond2 getting bigger is a big reason why i didn't wait for it. and there's no guarantee that sprint will even carry the diamond2 anyway and as others have said it'll probably be q409 before they have it at all.

NitrousGT said:
thanks for your recommendation. i will place the order today for the Diamond. Any links you all want to recommend me to so that i can view it and learn more about the Diamond before it arrives?.
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Basically go through the stickies in the development thread starting with this one>>http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211
Step One: Hard SPL your device

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Basically go through the stickies in the development thread starting with this one>>http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211
Step One: Hard SPL your device
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Thanks,
Whats the purpose of the Hard SPL?

band27 said:
I would suggest not waiting for it as it might take forever or never to get to you particular cell phone provider. The Diamond thanks to this forum is great. As far as price is concern...based on speculation that the specs. are pretty much identical to the HTC HD, expect the price to be high....
So affordability might be an issue regarding this decision as well.
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but the music audio quality of the Diamond is way worse than the Touch HD one right? I'm asking because I'm indecisive between the two for months now :/

Sprint being CDMA not GSM will likely take longer before carying it them people are estimating.. I would guess mid 2010 if ever & By then if they jump on the LTE train with the pther 3 carriers they may not be all that inclined to cary a high end device that they will have to replace so soon.. & if there not jumping on the LTE train then there going to be suffering BADLY network wise & You would be better off moving elsewhere..