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Windows Media player underperforms on Tytn II

Can any one advice me how to improve the video quality in WMP 10 on the Tytn II
Compared with my previous Tytn I, the movies & clips do not play fluid, though RAM and ROM are better, and no other programs are running.
Same Sd card, same movie which plaid well on 30 FPS format plays rather chunky on the Tytn II. Is the Qualcomm CPU lesser compliant than the old one or so?
Some Reg tweaks to perform? (and which tweaker to use / download from where?)
Thanks guys!

For Information: According to the data sheet of the chipset it is providing uncompromising video quality for Video capture and playback
(30 fps VGA - even for Messageing) http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf

Maybe, but i fear the drivers are not playing nice with the new chipset
I mean, i understand the problem with TCPMP, since is third party software and it stopped being developed (at least the freeware app), but it shouldn't be any problem with the shipped software, right?
Here is to hoping for an updated driver... GO HTC!

could this be why they say to use activesync to transfer everything onto the p4550? maybe its not optimised for it or something. but still shouldnt lag like that

Maybe it is a lame question, but does ActiveSync automatically converts video&/mp4 to a format more digestable by the device? Like SPB Mobile DVD?

my impressions
Hi !
I also noticed that video playback is kinda bad on the TyTN II, compared to my Prophet (overclocked to 260MHz). When using TCPMP and even Coreplayer, the DirectDraw rendering mode is about 3 times slower than Raw Framebuffer mode, which makes me believe that it's a DDraw / drivers issue. Since WMP 10 most likely uses DDraw, that's probably why the video is lagging...
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
It's still kinda weird that the TI OMAP 200Mhz (OC @ 260Mhz) on the Prophet performs about the same as the "ultra fast brand new never before seem" MSM7200 400MHz when it comes to raw power (again, ignore DDraw case, where Prophet is 3 times faster, that will be fixed soon... i hope...)
GL&HF

RPG0 said:
Hi !
I also noticed that video playback is kinda bad on the TyTN II, compared to my Prophet (overclocked to 260MHz). When using TCPMP and even Coreplayer, the DirectDraw rendering mode is about 3 times slower than Raw Framebuffer mode, which makes me believe that it's a DDraw / drivers issue. Since WMP 10 most likely uses DDraw, that's probably why the video is lagging...
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
It's still kinda weird that the TI OMAP 200Mhz (OC @ 260Mhz) on the Prophet performs about the same as the "ultra fast brand new never before seem" MSM7200 400MHz when it comes to raw power (again, ignore DDraw case, where Prophet is 3 times faster, that will be fixed soon... i hope...)
GL&HF
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Have noticed the same thing. Using corecodec rawfb is the best option. Having said that I can watch h.264 AVC encoded at 400KBPS no problem. On my wizard watching anything other than DVI was pretty much impossible. So the processor has the power - we just need the drivers to back it up now.
Unfortunately this is the price you pay for being an early adopter. I imagine once the at&t version comes out drivers wont be long behind.

Don't people find a general slowness with the Kaiser? My old XDA Mini S OC'd to 260Mhz seemed so much quicker in many ways. The 400Mhz processor in the Kaiser is definitely quicker in some areas, but twice as quick as the old 200Mhz XDA? I think not. Here's hoping HTC release a new ROM soon. Bad news is I can't even see it on the HTC eClub site!!

Your MDA, running what? WM2003SE?
WM2003SE in general could be faster than WM5/6 because WM5/6 is Flash based. That means, the persistent storage. You wont loose your app when the battery is empty, but yeah you must pay the price.
UncleJimbo said:
Don't people find a general slowness with the Kaiser? My old XDA Mini S OC'd to 260Mhz seemed so much quicker in many ways. The 400Mhz processor in the Kaiser is definitely quicker in some areas, but twice as quick as the old 200Mhz XDA? I think not. Here's hoping HTC release a new ROM soon. Bad news is I can't even see it on the HTC eClub site!!
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RPG0 said:
Hi !
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
GL&HF
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TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )

ceevee369 said:
TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )
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I'm pretty sure DirectDraw is 3 times slower.
Can you please benchmark on a clip with and without DDraw ?
I would really want to know if there are ROMs out there with DDraw fixed
BTW: this is KAISER SPECIFIC, does not apply to other PPCs afaik

Hello.
There is exactly the same pb on my new LG KS20 (MSM 7200 chip too)
I can't read video or play game with a decent frame rate

2 months later and still no fix for the slow performance in Video.
I installed the Coreplayer, took 2 weeks to play around with all settings, though no big changes. Directdraw enabled play s "OK". (no dither)
I guess the best thing to do is to ask CorePlayer which settings fit best on the Tytn II

It's all because of the missing video driver the the Qaualcomm 7200 chipset, if I watch a video on my Tytn 2 with TCMP using direct draw the fps feel 10 fps, now my original Touch with the 201mhz Omap 850 cpu plays the same video with direct draw very smoothly
We need video drivers

Radeon123 said:
It's all because of the missing video driver the the Qaualcomm 7200 chipset, if I watch a video on my Tytn 2 with TCMP using direct draw the fps feel 10 fps, now my original Touch with the 201mhz Omap 850 cpu plays the same video with direct draw very smoothly
We need video drivers
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I hope you signed the petition to HTC yes?
i forward the link to the petition to Cnet Asia. Hope they will make some noise!

Yes I signed the petition, read the petition post, glad HTC are aware of it

Radeon123 said:
Yes I signed the petition, read the petition post, glad HTC are aware of it
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Aware? Maybe, but do they care?

Maybe I'm the fly in the ointment but I have created lots of mp4 files from my normal video and use wm player and everythings great. Sorry

j1ngles said:
Maybe I'm the fly in the ointment but I have created lots of mp4 files from my normal video and use wm player and everythings great. Sorry
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Which MP4 convertor did you use and what is the FPS now? on 30, things become nasty, though 10 is stable.
I have neithe isues with small videoclips, though playing an AVI or MPEG file directly (712mb) is crappy for sure

ceevee369 said:
TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )
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TCPMP DOES support AAC with a plug-in that they are not allowed to host any more. It, however, is considerably worse than the one in CorePlayer.
If you do need it, I dig up the download URL of the AAC plug-in for you.

a crazy problem about the kaiser's video playing

hello all!
i just got a kaiser from HK for a few days
maybe many ppl have the senses about the kaiser's poor video playing
bro mikeeey said that
mikeeey said:
have you tried setting your video driver to GDI? i would think that would solve the problem
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so it does! the video is much better
and after that i found a crazy problem is :
my kaiser plays a video while the keyboard is pulled out , the quality is worse than that while the keyboard is not pulled out,the same video file,the same player and the same setting~
how incredible !
its not just my personal feeling, i made a benchmark ,the result told me while the keyboard is pulled out the video's average speed is 20% or more lower than that while the keyboard isnt pulled out
any bro have the same problem?
and forgive my broken English,just want to share that with all u greatest guys

woohyuksheng said:
hello all!
i just got a kaiser from HK for a few days
maybe many ppl have the senses about the kaiser's poor video playing
bro mikeeey said that
so it does! the video is much better
and after that i found a crazy problem is :
my kaiser plays a video while the keyboard is pulled out , the quality is worse than that while the keyboard is not pulled out,the same video file,the same player and the same setting~
how incredible !
its not just my personal feeling, i made a benchmark ,the result told me while the keyboard is pulled out the video's average speed is 20% or more lower than that while the keyboard isnt pulled out
any bro have the same problem?
and forgive my broken English,just want to share that with all u greatest guys
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glad i could help! the qualcomm 7200 chip uses GDI. remember that for future purposes, whether it be gaming or video or anything.
its funny i dont have one of these but could help anyway. i sure wish AT&T would release the thing soon enough!
hey wait, did you say when the keyboard is out it still has problems? or was that fixed too?

Ok and how do I tell Windows media player to use GDI?

You cant (I dont know), but you can use TCPMP (just another free Media Player).

gogol said:
You cant (I dont know), but you can use TCPMP (just another free Media Player).
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what kind of idiot makes a phone with wm6 but cant play any video with the included videoplayer wmp? smart move. Why didnt they include a videoplayer that works?

I'm using the Core Player and I tried "GDI" vs "Raw Frame Buffer" and the benchmark tells me;
GDI=Ave Speed of 135%
RawFrameBuffer=Ave Speed of 168%
Guess I'll stick with Raw, it plays my Divx vids perfectly, but I encode mine at 320x240 just for small gear like this and iPods. They look very sharp and clear at these modest rates.
I also tried RawFrameBuffer with the Keyboard Open=163%

glad to see u all greatest guys replied my thread!
and many thanks to awesome bro mikeeey & RemE! you rock!
i just tested & compared RawFrameBuffer with GDI
the average speeds r following:
RawFrameBuffer (with keyboard opened):125.11%
RawFrameBuffer (with keyboard closed):122.87%
GDI (with keyboard opened):75.90% 囧
GDI (with keyboard closed):110.29%
the result above tells:
the quality (GDI) is satisfied, and the RawFrameBuffer is better than GDI~~
my crazy problem in floor 1 seems just appearing in GDI video output
and thank all u greatest guys again!

what are you guys benchmarking with?

There is a built-in benchmark tool in TCPMP and Core Player

when in portrait mode, the video will be 240x180 if it is 4:3.
When in landscape it is 320x240
Maybe because it is pushing more pixels in landscape?
Mind you, in portrait surely it is having to do a rescale, but the figures would suggest that drawing the pixels chews more CPU than manipulating them.
This would seem to hold true for a system without a GPU.

RemE said:
There is a built-in benchmark tool in TCPMP and Core Player
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aha! i shall run some of my own to add to the collective benchmark pool
ive already thrown some extreme divx's at it and i can say that the cpu is the bottleneck, not rastering the output - as it stutters on visually complex scenes (scenes that require a fair whack of cpu to decode)
source vid meta (according to windows):
664x268 - duration: 02:19:08
audio: 112kbps mp3
video: 98kbps xvid - sample size 12bit - 23fps
TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results
Average Speed 109.82%
Video Frames 5130
Audio Samples 10317847
Amount of Data 41481 KB
Bench. Time 3:14.827
Bench. Frame Rate 26.33
Bench. Sample Rate 52960
Bench. Data Rate 1.7 Mbit/s
Original Time 3:33.963
Original Frame Rate 23.97
Original Sample Rate 48000
Original Data Rate 1.5 Mbit/s
URL \Storage Card\SpiderMan 3.avi
Size 838916096
Platform PocketPC
OS Version 5.02
OEM Info Kaiser
Clock speed 385 Mhz
Video output Raw FrameBuffer 240x320 16bits Lookup
Video zoom 332x134 -> 132x320
Audio output Wave Output 48000Hz 16Bits 2Ch.

AVI and MPG

Playing these with The core media player the one off here. Its absoultley terriable playing them, lags and freezes everywhere then evetually after a bit crash up. I have closed all other programmes down and still its rubbish.
Any solutions as this device is maent to have good hardware speeds.

How 's about camera ? is it working well in low light ?

you should prob state what res those avi mpg's are as there would be a lot of difference between 640_480 ones vs. 800_600 ones
if they are 640_480 ones then maybe the missing qualcomm driver still haunts

I guess resolution might matter to as it plays smaller vidieos well but on the imate universal it plays them very well even if they are full avi's or mpg.
I guess this is another device rushed again.

im using coreplayer v1.2.5 build 4506 on qtv at high quality with a 700 meg avi file res 512x288 and its running like butter, its a huge huge leap from the touch cruise! Im very pleased with the diamonds performance.
Edit, I just did coreplayers Benchmark on this vid and got:
Average Speed: 130.09%
Video Frames: 1976
Audio Samples: 3844971
Amount Of Data: 5116KB
Bench Time: 01:00.756
Bench Frame Rate: 32.524
Bench Sample Rate: 63285
Bench Data Rate 689 kbit/s
Original Time: 1:19.040
Original Framerate: 25.00
Original Sample Rate: 48000
Original Data Rate: 530 kbit/s
I have no idea wether they are good or not but to me the playback is perfect!

Would you or someone else mind doing an apples to apples benchmark using Coreplayer? I'm concerned that the Diamond may still not have good video drivers. I used the clip below to test the 6700 vs. the HTC 6900 "Vogue" (Sprint Touch) and found that the 6700 was sadly superior.
Please download and play the "Futurama: Bender's Big Score" preview from below:
http://mediafilmnetwork.com/
Run it fullscreen landscape with nothing else in the background, and let me know what your benchmark results were. I'll post mine at 416 and 624mhz.

P0ll0L0c0 said:
Would you or someone else mind doing an apples to apples benchmark using Coreplayer? I'm concerned that the Diamond may still not have good video drivers. I used the clip below to test the 6700 vs. the HTC 6900 "Vogue" (Sprint Touch) and found that the 6700 was sadly superior.
Please download and play the "Futurama: Bender's Big Score" preview from below:
http://mediafilmnetwork.com/
Run it fullscreen landscape with nothing else in the background, and let me know what your benchmark results were. I'll post mine at 416 and 624mhz.
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Just done it, it said ac3 not supported but did the bench anyway on default settings ie qtv high quality and the diamond at defaults.
Average Speed: 125.63%
Video Frames: 3000
Amount Of Data: 25138 KB
Bench Time: 01:39.599
Bench Frame Rate: 30.121
Bench Data Rate 2.07 Mbit/s
Original Time: 2:05.125
Original Framerate: 23.976
Original Data Rate: 1.65 Mbit/s
Hope this helps!!
Is it anygood? it certainly looked bloody good and smooth!

That would be REALLY good if sound were enabled . . . I did a similar test with the 6700 and the Touch - and the Touch was able to get similar results when the user disabled sound. Obviously, when sound was enabled - their results became terrible. I'm hoping your Diamond is still trying to work with sound, and the results reflect what you'd see during actual usage. I'm using TCPMP with the AC3 plugin.
Let me post results from my 6700:
624mhz (XCPUScalar)
Average speed: 131.91%
Bench Frame Rate: 31.63
Sample Rate: 63565
Bench Data Rate: 2.1MB/S
416mhz
Average speed: 109.58%
Bench Frame Rate: 26.27
Sample Rate: 52744
Bench Data Rate: 1.8MB/S
Can you either enable the AC3 plugin, or find another online video I can access - that you can actually play? I'd love to test and make sure we're comparing performance at the same task. I'm concerned that HTC may not have their video drivers straightened out. That's the only thing keeping me from considering an "upgrade".

Okay seems like some of you got the full avi and mpg working exactly how im i doing this again. Does having a gray import also matter coz maybe it might not yet be updated.

Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKXo9UZOX2k

badman112 said:
Okay seems like some of you got the full avi and mpg working exactly how im i doing this again. Does having a gray import also matter coz maybe it might not yet be updated.
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Nope. It's only a matter of the program you're using. You can get the last free version of core player, plus the AC3 plugin from this website:
http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/
The AC3 plugin has a readme on how to install it.
I'm not sure if the plugin will work with the version you have if it's different. But you might try installing this version, then running the video for comparison.
Just for your information - the HTC touch version benchmarked that video at 105% without audio but only at 78% with audio. I'm concerned that if you benchmark the Diamond and it gets worse results than my 416mhz 6700 - then the drivers are still screwed up.

If badman can't run this test, can someone else do so?
I think it'd be useful to everyone to know how this phone benchmarks vs. the 6700, HTC Touch, and even the HTC Tytn II. In light of the "class action" issues with HTC/Qualcomm video drivers - I would think everyone would want to know if the same problems exist with the new Diamond.

P0ll0L0c0 said:
If badman can't run this test, can someone else do so?
I think it'd be useful to everyone to know how this phone benchmarks vs. the 6700, HTC Touch, and even the HTC Tytn II. In light of the "class action" issues with HTC/Qualcomm video drivers - I would think everyone would want to know if the same problems exist with the new Diamond.
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I've been trying to run this test for you but the player keeps crashing with an 'Unexpected program failure' message. It was working when I first installed it, but now it's gone weird.
Sorry!

No worries, I appreciate the effort. It's a shame that the player won't work for you? Have you tried uninstalling then reinstalling?
I also realized that there's other factors involved in making a head to head comparison. The most important being a VGA screen vs. a QVGA screen in the other devices.

Yes I've tried uninstalling and re-installing, both on the device and in the internal storage.
The video wasplaying OK, then when I went to run the test it had stopped working. Most annoying.

who needs AC3 for a mobile device?
its just puts unnecessary load on the cpu and you gain next to nothing...

It was actually the AC3 plugin that was causing the application to crash. I've removed that and now I can play the video but obviously don't get any sound.

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That would be REALLY good if sound were enabled . . . I did a similar test with the 6700 and the Touch - and the Touch was able to get similar results when the user disabled sound. Obviously, when sound was enabled - their results became terrible. I'm hoping your Diamond is still trying to work with sound, and the results reflect what you'd see during actual usage. I'm using TCPMP with the AC3 plugin.
Let me post results from my 6700:
624mhz (XCPUScalar)
Average speed: 131.91%
Bench Frame Rate: 31.63
Sample Rate: 63565
Bench Data Rate: 2.1MB/S
416mhz
Average speed: 109.58%
Bench Frame Rate: 26.27
Sample Rate: 52744
Bench Data Rate: 1.8MB/S
Can you either enable the AC3 plugin, or find another online video I can access - that you can actually play? I'd love to test and make sure we're comparing performance at the same task. I'm concerned that HTC may not have their video drivers straightened out. That's the only thing keeping me from considering an "upgrade".
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OK, finally got it working. I had to install the AC3 plugin before the application which seems a bit odd to me. Anyway, here are the results. Note that this is with a tweaked Diamond, using the tweaks found on here to speed up TouchFlo etc. Only thing running was the phone radio.
Average speed: 79.34%
Bench Frame Rate: 19:02
Sample Rate: 38094
Bench Data Rate: 1.3MB/S
So, pretty poor really.

Ouch, that's a shame. :-(
That could either mean that the video drivers aren't being properly implemented yet - or they have been, but outputting video to a VGA screen is too much for the device to handle. I know that's been the case when trying to play emulators on powerful VGA devices. I'm sorry to hear the results, regardless. Thank you very much for running that benchmark - I believe more people than I would be appreciative of the results.
BTW - the only reason AC3 is a useful implementation, is that many of us already have A LOT of video files on our computer at full resolution and with AC3. Encoding usually takes a minimum of an hour - so it's not useful to just grab and go. With my 6700 I can upload a movie on the run at any time.
If you're happy converting movies, it's by far the most efficient way to go with regards to PDA storage and processing power. That's just not terribly useful for a lot of users like me.

Bumped for reference with a bencharking thread.

CorePlayer - bad GDI and etc...

Hi, I have new Diamond, and I want to ask, why is video playing so slow in GDI, Direct Draw and others. On my Intel PXA 270 520MHz video playback of the samo video was in TCPMP bench 132% on GDI, Direct Draw etc, but Diamond has barely 50%. Why is this?

PXA (Xscale) processors have Wireless MMX instructions to accelerate the video decoding, while MSM chipset inside Diamond does not. Therefore CPU-only decoding will perform very poorly there.
Hovewer, Diamond has a special video decoding accelerator (QTv), so you have to use CorePlayer with Diamond QTv support and obviously switch it to QTv output mode.

Ingvarr said:
PXA (Xscale) processors have Wireless MMX instructions to accelerate the video decoding, while MSM chipset inside Diamond does not. Therefore CPU-only decoding will perform very poorly there.
Hovewer, Diamond has a special video decoding accelerator (QTv), so you have to use CorePlayer with Diamond QTv support and obviously switch it to QTv output mode.
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My movies (FLV and AVI) don't play in Coreplayer in QTv mode. Are you sure the Diamond has QTv support?

pietrucci said:
My movies (FLV and AVI) don't play in Coreplayer in QTv mode. Are you sure the Diamond has QTv support?
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same here:
coreplayer/menu/tools/preferences/QTx Display--i have only one option "TyTNII driver mode" with on/off.
if unthick this only option i have no image
coreplayer v1.2.5 build 4506

OK, thanks, so basicly Xscale accelerate video in every mode, GDI, DirectDraw, because CPU recognize video. And Qualcom has something similiar to that Wireless MMX instructions but it is called QTv and you must have player that can use it, like on PC you must have Video Driver to use VGA card, specially for your GPU. Am I right? So, do you think that it makes Xscale bettter CPU? In other ways, are they simmiliar in performance to each other? Qualcomm and Xscale? I thought that Qualcomm i technically better, coue it is ARM11 but Xscale is lower version of ARM core.

I dont see how Wireless MMX alone makes XScale "better CPU" than MSM. Only because its older than QTv and so supported by older TCPMP, while for QTv you need newest CorePlayer?
This is just how it always happen with new technologies, you always have more software adoption for the older ones.
"TyTNII driver mode" is exactly the QTv support. In Coreplayer 1.2.5 its Diamond-compatible.

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My movies (FLV and AVI) don't play in Coreplayer in QTv mode. Are you sure the Diamond has QTv support?
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Yes, works great! You net latest version of coreplayer and trigger the TyTN II mode in QTv setting.
so I don´t neet to convert the files anymore

Flanders said:
Yes, works great! You net latest version of coreplayer and trigger the TyTN II mode in QTv setting.
so I don´t neet to convert the files anymore
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Incorrect. Some flv files do not play with CorePlayer 1.25 or older versions.
Qtv does not trigger full enabeling mode for all extensions.
Correct that the same movies DO play better on TytnII with QTV support enabled vs. RAW- GDI mode on Diamond. sucks no?

Well, thanks, but in one way sale is better. H can accelerate video in every mode available on TCPMP, so the Xscale must recognize video, if he can accelerate it under every display drivers mod. In fact Diamond must have GDI, DirectDraw etc. But he dont accelerate video on them because he can´t recognize it himself, am I right? Has Xscale or Qualcomm support for accelerating FLV ? Or just Xvid DivX ?

Its not the problem of the MSM CPU, but the problem of TCPMP.
TCPMP have no support for MSM QTv, only for XScale Wireless MMX, thats why it performs poorly on MSM and better on XScale. Because development of TCPMP was basically stopped more than a year ago.
Use latest Coreplayer, it has the proper QTv support and delivers the good performance on Diamond.

Yes, i understand it. I am just saying that even with new CorePlayer you MUST set QTv, but with Xscale, you can set every driver mode you want, GDI, DD, etc. and Xscale can handle it, can recognize it at every driver-mode.

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Yes, i understand it. I am just saying that even with new CorePlayer you MUST set QTv, but with Xscale, you can set every driver mode you want, GDI, DD, etc. and Xscale can handle it, can recognize it at every driver-mode.
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Its because XScale Wireless MMX handles only decoding.
QTv handles both decoding & display, its more efficient this way (at least for video playback, especially at higher resolutions).

Now I am little confused. I was asking why Xscale can handle video decoding in every mode, GDI, DD etc. , but Qualcomm only in QTv. And you said that it is becouse of QTv helps displaying, so Xscale can better display images if withount displaying can play video in every mode?

So, I tried CorePlayer 1.2.5 4506 and unfortunelly I must say that Diamond is very slow device. Very! For example: Asus P535 Intel PXA 520MHz - same testing video sequences (704x480, 29FPS, 1,6 Mb/s) - Diamond - QTv mode - 66 %. P535 - DirectDraw - 109%. I want to cry.

You are not directly comparing VGA output with QVGA do you? In VGA case its 4x times more pixels to process. So actually Diamond is more than 2 times faster.

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You are not directly comparing VGA output with QVGA do you? In VGA case its 4x times more pixels to process. So actually Diamond is more than 2 times faster.
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he does, the p535 only has 320x240 display.

Eh, I though you may ask for it, I was thinking this way: Video is first decoded (doesent depend on resolution) than image is scale for screen, in QVGA devices is scaled down, in VGA is normal or scaled up. I didnt see much influence of VGA display here, absolutelly no on decoding, which is most important part.

OK, I did some research and there is an idea: Dell Axim x50v - the 624 PXA CPU, VGA screen. I found that on beta player (practically same as the CorePlayer) a video was played on 92% (i remember just bitrate - 1.6Mb). Of course withount 2700G support. With this support it is 190!!!!!%. If is true, that the Wireless MMX is "QTv" (multimedia instruction set) than Diamond is as fast as 624MHZ Xscale CPU, but only in Axim. Loox 720 (again VGA) can play same file with 520MHZ Xscale on 116%, which is also very good. (Only if case that you can QTv consider as Wirelass MMX analogy). This is bad. Our device is 15% slower using special QTv mode than Xscale on same frequency. I read that ATI Imageon can play with ATI driver play same video at 142%, which is GREAT! On VGA device of course. Does Diamond have ATI Imageon chip? I think TyTN has one. Anyway, they wrote that it isnt just Imageon work, but also a Excelent HP drivers. So I think we can expect some noticable video playback improvement in never versions of CorePlayer, and maybe, just maybe with some new ROM, since Diamond has some drivers, HTC cannot say that they must pay some license, and they just optimalised drivers. If this failes too, there still remains "TyTN 2 driver", and maybe it will be usable on Diamond too.

All I wil say is that nothing works for me on QTv, I have to set it to GDI and only then do I get both video and audio. I have no problem with playback, it plays very smooth actually.
Just a bit confused as to why QTv doesnt work for me.
I'm using AVI files and I'm running Coreplayer version 1.2.2 build 3852
Regards
D.C

Simple answer - you just need Core Plyer 1.2.5. It is becouse of older version support QTv, but not on WM6. Newest version does.

After all the drivers and discussions...Can any1 play videos well on a Kaiser?

Hey guys
Title says it all
I was wondering, after all the new drivers that have been released and all the discussions has any1 actually been able to use the Kaiser as a decent video player??
Ive been trying, tweaking Core Player, trying different drivers, different setting when i encode etc etc... But i cant get the video to play smoothly! I still get "tearing" between scenes... Its just not a pleasure to watch
Anyone else had more luck of late??

Try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357330

So i guess then the short answer is... No??
I see that Core Player has its own codec or whatever it is, meant specially for the Qualcomm CPU, to try and get adequate video performance out of it... But for some reason when i use "video output QTV" i just get a purple block on the screen and audio!!!
Of the remaining options, Directdraw, raw framebuffer and GDI, does any1 know what the pros and cons are? Do any seem to work better than the rest??
Will try the MP4 tip tonight and see if it helps!

I can play YouTube stuff just fine on my Tilt with the newest TCPMP. Haven't tried other stuff yet.

randomguy321 said:
So i guess then the short answer is... No??
I see that Core Player has its own codec or whatever it is, meant specially for the Qualcomm CPU, to try and get adequate video performance out of it... But for some reason when i use "video output QTV" i just get a purple block on the screen and audio!!!
Of the remaining options, Directdraw, raw framebuffer and GDI, does any1 know what the pros and cons are? Do any seem to work better than the rest??
Will try the MP4 tip tonight and see if it helps!
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I use coreplayer version 1.2.2 and QTV display driver delivers up to 70% better performance than TCPMP. Try to find a solution to your problem on coreplayer forum.

Where did you get the 70% number from?

Im not sure if this helps...but
I converted a few movies that I had downloaded a while back thru windows media player...I think Pulp Fiction or something. It played just fine. Great video, great audio, good synchronization. Really impressive. All this on AT&T Tilt.
Keep working on it or flash a ROM since most have the support u need to watch the video. Honestly, u would probably benefit from reading the forums for about flashing a ROM than to mess with new codecs and other drivers.
Have u tried downloading TCPMP and core player. Install both. Then open TCPMP in background. Now open ur windows media player and try to play a video.
Now if u can stream videos from ninjavideo.net ur doing better than I
Cheers
-ac

Found this on the CorePlayer forums....Seems ambiguous at best...
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1044
It seems that they have an option to enable "TyTN II driver mode" but they dont actually support the processor in the TyTN II...Odd!!
Apparently version 1.2.5 has a fix for the black screen in QTV mode (on WM 6.1 ROMs) does any1 have 1.2.5 to verify this??

That's right, they've fixed it.
randomguy321 said:
Found this on the CorePlayer forums....Seems ambiguous at best...
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1044
It seems that they have an option to enable "TyTN II driver mode" but they dont actually support the processor in the TyTN II...Odd!!
Apparently version 1.2.5 has a fix for the black screen in QTV mode (on WM 6.1 ROMs) does any1 have 1.2.5 to verify this??
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ChumleyEX said:
Where did you get the 70% number from?
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There's a benchmark option in coreplayer. Play an avi file first on QTV driver and then on Rawframe buffer you'll see the difference. Than if you're still not convinced you can play the same file in TCPMP on rawframebuffer and compare the results.

Youtube w/ the new manilla 2d works flawlessly for me, as does any .flv i just plop on the phone (without re-encoding). Streaming mobitv is a bit laggy. But other then that my video runs great. For awhile quicksilverscreen was working str8 off the website too. (seems to not be working atm however).
I installed no new video drivers or anything just manilla2d. .flv has always worked since i installed the tmpg stuff.

Yes I Can!!!!

Just installed Core Player 1.25 and it works PERFECTLY!!!!
QTV works in the new ROMs in V1.25 and it plays my videos perfectly! Benchmarking, my frame rates arent much different to the RAW buffer, but the videos visually play better, there is no tearing as scenes change, they look great....
V1.25 does the trick!!!

randomguy321 said:
Just installed Core Player 1.25 and it works PERFECTLY!!!!
QTV works in the new ROMs in V1.25 and it plays my videos perfectly! Benchmarking, my frame rates arent much different to the RAW buffer, but the videos visually play better, there is no tearing as scenes change, they look great....
V1.25 does the trick!!!
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could you help a noob out, maybe with download links or something...
first of all, what is QTV? is it better than tcpmp? how do I get youtube videos to work? what is v1.25? I am using duttys 6.1 rom, this will work on my phone right?
sorry for all the questions.

brilliantslide said:
could you help a noob out, maybe with download links or something...
first of all, what is QTV? is it better than tcpmp? how do I get youtube videos to work? what is v1.25? I am using duttys 6.1 rom, this will work on my phone right?
sorry for all the questions.
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here is what i think of from the top of my head...qtv is one of the options in the video driver selection in Coreplayer...Coreplayer is the paid version of tcpmp...From my experience, it really smoothens out the transition of scenes in this mode, but it also depends on how the video is encoded I think, coz' the movies I had encoded much earlier which i used with my treo 650 were still choppy even with the qtv display....But my recent acquisition, Ironman, it plays quite flawlessly...
v 1.25 refers to the latest version of Coreplayer, which fixes most of the bugs of earlier version...You can scope it out at corecodec.com, but sadly there is no trial version for it though so if you really want to watch and play videos on your tilt, it might be worth it for you...
As to the youtube videos, you can either:
Buy and use Coreplayer
Download the Youtube player extracted from the opal
Use the recomp version of tcpmp, the orginal won't work on the 6.1 so look for the recomp
Or if you wanna show off a bit on the bus or something, download opera 9.5 and flashlite 3.1, The flash vid will play as a part of the web page....