Playing these with The core media player the one off here. Its absoultley terriable playing them, lags and freezes everywhere then evetually after a bit crash up. I have closed all other programmes down and still its rubbish.
Any solutions as this device is maent to have good hardware speeds.
How 's about camera ? is it working well in low light ?
you should prob state what res those avi mpg's are as there would be a lot of difference between 640_480 ones vs. 800_600 ones
if they are 640_480 ones then maybe the missing qualcomm driver still haunts
I guess resolution might matter to as it plays smaller vidieos well but on the imate universal it plays them very well even if they are full avi's or mpg.
I guess this is another device rushed again.
im using coreplayer v1.2.5 build 4506 on qtv at high quality with a 700 meg avi file res 512x288 and its running like butter, its a huge huge leap from the touch cruise! Im very pleased with the diamonds performance.
Edit, I just did coreplayers Benchmark on this vid and got:
Average Speed: 130.09%
Video Frames: 1976
Audio Samples: 3844971
Amount Of Data: 5116KB
Bench Time: 01:00.756
Bench Frame Rate: 32.524
Bench Sample Rate: 63285
Bench Data Rate 689 kbit/s
Original Time: 1:19.040
Original Framerate: 25.00
Original Sample Rate: 48000
Original Data Rate: 530 kbit/s
I have no idea wether they are good or not but to me the playback is perfect!
Would you or someone else mind doing an apples to apples benchmark using Coreplayer? I'm concerned that the Diamond may still not have good video drivers. I used the clip below to test the 6700 vs. the HTC 6900 "Vogue" (Sprint Touch) and found that the 6700 was sadly superior.
Please download and play the "Futurama: Bender's Big Score" preview from below:
http://mediafilmnetwork.com/
Run it fullscreen landscape with nothing else in the background, and let me know what your benchmark results were. I'll post mine at 416 and 624mhz.
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Would you or someone else mind doing an apples to apples benchmark using Coreplayer? I'm concerned that the Diamond may still not have good video drivers. I used the clip below to test the 6700 vs. the HTC 6900 "Vogue" (Sprint Touch) and found that the 6700 was sadly superior.
Please download and play the "Futurama: Bender's Big Score" preview from below:
http://mediafilmnetwork.com/
Run it fullscreen landscape with nothing else in the background, and let me know what your benchmark results were. I'll post mine at 416 and 624mhz.
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Just done it, it said ac3 not supported but did the bench anyway on default settings ie qtv high quality and the diamond at defaults.
Average Speed: 125.63%
Video Frames: 3000
Amount Of Data: 25138 KB
Bench Time: 01:39.599
Bench Frame Rate: 30.121
Bench Data Rate 2.07 Mbit/s
Original Time: 2:05.125
Original Framerate: 23.976
Original Data Rate: 1.65 Mbit/s
Hope this helps!!
Is it anygood? it certainly looked bloody good and smooth!
That would be REALLY good if sound were enabled . . . I did a similar test with the 6700 and the Touch - and the Touch was able to get similar results when the user disabled sound. Obviously, when sound was enabled - their results became terrible. I'm hoping your Diamond is still trying to work with sound, and the results reflect what you'd see during actual usage. I'm using TCPMP with the AC3 plugin.
Let me post results from my 6700:
624mhz (XCPUScalar)
Average speed: 131.91%
Bench Frame Rate: 31.63
Sample Rate: 63565
Bench Data Rate: 2.1MB/S
416mhz
Average speed: 109.58%
Bench Frame Rate: 26.27
Sample Rate: 52744
Bench Data Rate: 1.8MB/S
Can you either enable the AC3 plugin, or find another online video I can access - that you can actually play? I'd love to test and make sure we're comparing performance at the same task. I'm concerned that HTC may not have their video drivers straightened out. That's the only thing keeping me from considering an "upgrade".
Okay seems like some of you got the full avi and mpg working exactly how im i doing this again. Does having a gray import also matter coz maybe it might not yet be updated.
Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKXo9UZOX2k
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Okay seems like some of you got the full avi and mpg working exactly how im i doing this again. Does having a gray import also matter coz maybe it might not yet be updated.
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Nope. It's only a matter of the program you're using. You can get the last free version of core player, plus the AC3 plugin from this website:
http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/
The AC3 plugin has a readme on how to install it.
I'm not sure if the plugin will work with the version you have if it's different. But you might try installing this version, then running the video for comparison.
Just for your information - the HTC touch version benchmarked that video at 105% without audio but only at 78% with audio. I'm concerned that if you benchmark the Diamond and it gets worse results than my 416mhz 6700 - then the drivers are still screwed up.
If badman can't run this test, can someone else do so?
I think it'd be useful to everyone to know how this phone benchmarks vs. the 6700, HTC Touch, and even the HTC Tytn II. In light of the "class action" issues with HTC/Qualcomm video drivers - I would think everyone would want to know if the same problems exist with the new Diamond.
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If badman can't run this test, can someone else do so?
I think it'd be useful to everyone to know how this phone benchmarks vs. the 6700, HTC Touch, and even the HTC Tytn II. In light of the "class action" issues with HTC/Qualcomm video drivers - I would think everyone would want to know if the same problems exist with the new Diamond.
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I've been trying to run this test for you but the player keeps crashing with an 'Unexpected program failure' message. It was working when I first installed it, but now it's gone weird.
Sorry!
No worries, I appreciate the effort. It's a shame that the player won't work for you? Have you tried uninstalling then reinstalling?
I also realized that there's other factors involved in making a head to head comparison. The most important being a VGA screen vs. a QVGA screen in the other devices.
Yes I've tried uninstalling and re-installing, both on the device and in the internal storage.
The video wasplaying OK, then when I went to run the test it had stopped working. Most annoying.
who needs AC3 for a mobile device?
its just puts unnecessary load on the cpu and you gain next to nothing...
It was actually the AC3 plugin that was causing the application to crash. I've removed that and now I can play the video but obviously don't get any sound.
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That would be REALLY good if sound were enabled . . . I did a similar test with the 6700 and the Touch - and the Touch was able to get similar results when the user disabled sound. Obviously, when sound was enabled - their results became terrible. I'm hoping your Diamond is still trying to work with sound, and the results reflect what you'd see during actual usage. I'm using TCPMP with the AC3 plugin.
Let me post results from my 6700:
624mhz (XCPUScalar)
Average speed: 131.91%
Bench Frame Rate: 31.63
Sample Rate: 63565
Bench Data Rate: 2.1MB/S
416mhz
Average speed: 109.58%
Bench Frame Rate: 26.27
Sample Rate: 52744
Bench Data Rate: 1.8MB/S
Can you either enable the AC3 plugin, or find another online video I can access - that you can actually play? I'd love to test and make sure we're comparing performance at the same task. I'm concerned that HTC may not have their video drivers straightened out. That's the only thing keeping me from considering an "upgrade".
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OK, finally got it working. I had to install the AC3 plugin before the application which seems a bit odd to me. Anyway, here are the results. Note that this is with a tweaked Diamond, using the tweaks found on here to speed up TouchFlo etc. Only thing running was the phone radio.
Average speed: 79.34%
Bench Frame Rate: 19:02
Sample Rate: 38094
Bench Data Rate: 1.3MB/S
So, pretty poor really.
Ouch, that's a shame. :-(
That could either mean that the video drivers aren't being properly implemented yet - or they have been, but outputting video to a VGA screen is too much for the device to handle. I know that's been the case when trying to play emulators on powerful VGA devices. I'm sorry to hear the results, regardless. Thank you very much for running that benchmark - I believe more people than I would be appreciative of the results.
BTW - the only reason AC3 is a useful implementation, is that many of us already have A LOT of video files on our computer at full resolution and with AC3. Encoding usually takes a minimum of an hour - so it's not useful to just grab and go. With my 6700 I can upload a movie on the run at any time.
If you're happy converting movies, it's by far the most efficient way to go with regards to PDA storage and processing power. That's just not terribly useful for a lot of users like me.
Bumped for reference with a bencharking thread.
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Can any one advice me how to improve the video quality in WMP 10 on the Tytn II
Compared with my previous Tytn I, the movies & clips do not play fluid, though RAM and ROM are better, and no other programs are running.
Same Sd card, same movie which plaid well on 30 FPS format plays rather chunky on the Tytn II. Is the Qualcomm CPU lesser compliant than the old one or so?
Some Reg tweaks to perform? (and which tweaker to use / download from where?)
Thanks guys!
For Information: According to the data sheet of the chipset it is providing uncompromising video quality for Video capture and playback
(30 fps VGA - even for Messageing) http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf
Maybe, but i fear the drivers are not playing nice with the new chipset
I mean, i understand the problem with TCPMP, since is third party software and it stopped being developed (at least the freeware app), but it shouldn't be any problem with the shipped software, right?
Here is to hoping for an updated driver... GO HTC!
could this be why they say to use activesync to transfer everything onto the p4550? maybe its not optimised for it or something. but still shouldnt lag like that
Maybe it is a lame question, but does ActiveSync automatically converts video&/mp4 to a format more digestable by the device? Like SPB Mobile DVD?
my impressions
Hi !
I also noticed that video playback is kinda bad on the TyTN II, compared to my Prophet (overclocked to 260MHz). When using TCPMP and even Coreplayer, the DirectDraw rendering mode is about 3 times slower than Raw Framebuffer mode, which makes me believe that it's a DDraw / drivers issue. Since WMP 10 most likely uses DDraw, that's probably why the video is lagging...
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
It's still kinda weird that the TI OMAP 200Mhz (OC @ 260Mhz) on the Prophet performs about the same as the "ultra fast brand new never before seem" MSM7200 400MHz when it comes to raw power (again, ignore DDraw case, where Prophet is 3 times faster, that will be fixed soon... i hope...)
GL&HF
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Hi !
I also noticed that video playback is kinda bad on the TyTN II, compared to my Prophet (overclocked to 260MHz). When using TCPMP and even Coreplayer, the DirectDraw rendering mode is about 3 times slower than Raw Framebuffer mode, which makes me believe that it's a DDraw / drivers issue. Since WMP 10 most likely uses DDraw, that's probably why the video is lagging...
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
It's still kinda weird that the TI OMAP 200Mhz (OC @ 260Mhz) on the Prophet performs about the same as the "ultra fast brand new never before seem" MSM7200 400MHz when it comes to raw power (again, ignore DDraw case, where Prophet is 3 times faster, that will be fixed soon... i hope...)
GL&HF
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Have noticed the same thing. Using corecodec rawfb is the best option. Having said that I can watch h.264 AVC encoded at 400KBPS no problem. On my wizard watching anything other than DVI was pretty much impossible. So the processor has the power - we just need the drivers to back it up now.
Unfortunately this is the price you pay for being an early adopter. I imagine once the at&t version comes out drivers wont be long behind.
Don't people find a general slowness with the Kaiser? My old XDA Mini S OC'd to 260Mhz seemed so much quicker in many ways. The 400Mhz processor in the Kaiser is definitely quicker in some areas, but twice as quick as the old 200Mhz XDA? I think not. Here's hoping HTC release a new ROM soon. Bad news is I can't even see it on the HTC eClub site!!
Your MDA, running what? WM2003SE?
WM2003SE in general could be faster than WM5/6 because WM5/6 is Flash based. That means, the persistent storage. You wont loose your app when the battery is empty, but yeah you must pay the price.
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Don't people find a general slowness with the Kaiser? My old XDA Mini S OC'd to 260Mhz seemed so much quicker in many ways. The 400Mhz processor in the Kaiser is definitely quicker in some areas, but twice as quick as the old 200Mhz XDA? I think not. Here's hoping HTC release a new ROM soon. Bad news is I can't even see it on the HTC eClub site!!
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Hi !
So: If you use TCPMP / Coreplayer, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE DIRECT DRAW . If you use WMP 10, i have no idea if you can choose not to use DDraw.
GL&HF
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TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )
ceevee369 said:
TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )
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I'm pretty sure DirectDraw is 3 times slower.
Can you please benchmark on a clip with and without DDraw ?
I would really want to know if there are ROMs out there with DDraw fixed
BTW: this is KAISER SPECIFIC, does not apply to other PPCs afaik
Hello.
There is exactly the same pb on my new LG KS20 (MSM 7200 chip too)
I can't read video or play game with a decent frame rate
2 months later and still no fix for the slow performance in Video.
I installed the Coreplayer, took 2 weeks to play around with all settings, though no big changes. Directdraw enabled play s "OK". (no dither)
I guess the best thing to do is to ask CorePlayer which settings fit best on the Tytn II
It's all because of the missing video driver the the Qaualcomm 7200 chipset, if I watch a video on my Tytn 2 with TCMP using direct draw the fps feel 10 fps, now my original Touch with the 201mhz Omap 850 cpu plays the same video with direct draw very smoothly
We need video drivers
Radeon123 said:
It's all because of the missing video driver the the Qaualcomm 7200 chipset, if I watch a video on my Tytn 2 with TCMP using direct draw the fps feel 10 fps, now my original Touch with the 201mhz Omap 850 cpu plays the same video with direct draw very smoothly
We need video drivers
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I hope you signed the petition to HTC yes?
i forward the link to the petition to Cnet Asia. Hope they will make some noise!
Yes I signed the petition, read the petition post, glad HTC are aware of it
Radeon123 said:
Yes I signed the petition, read the petition post, glad HTC are aware of it
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Aware? Maybe, but do they care?
Maybe I'm the fly in the ointment but I have created lots of mp4 files from my normal video and use wm player and everythings great. Sorry
j1ngles said:
Maybe I'm the fly in the ointment but I have created lots of mp4 files from my normal video and use wm player and everythings great. Sorry
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Which MP4 convertor did you use and what is the FPS now? on 30, things become nasty, though 10 is stable.
I have neithe isues with small videoclips, though playing an AVI or MPEG file directly (712mb) is crappy for sure
ceevee369 said:
TCMP should be the solution as clips / movie do not lag with this one. Even Direct draw enabled is OK.
Issue is that do not support AAC plug-in, making MP4 movies useless.
Anyone tweaking the reg, or waiting for new drivers for this video performance issue?
(i do not supose HTC thinks that 3g standard should be used no? )
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TCPMP DOES support AAC with a plug-in that they are not allowed to host any more. It, however, is considerably worse than the one in CorePlayer.
If you do need it, I dig up the download URL of the AAC plug-in for you.
hello all!
i just got a kaiser from HK for a few days
maybe many ppl have the senses about the kaiser's poor video playing
bro mikeeey said that
mikeeey said:
have you tried setting your video driver to GDI? i would think that would solve the problem
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so it does! the video is much better
and after that i found a crazy problem is :
my kaiser plays a video while the keyboard is pulled out , the quality is worse than that while the keyboard is not pulled out,the same video file,the same player and the same setting~
how incredible !
its not just my personal feeling, i made a benchmark ,the result told me while the keyboard is pulled out the video's average speed is 20% or more lower than that while the keyboard isnt pulled out
any bro have the same problem?
and forgive my broken English,just want to share that with all u greatest guys
woohyuksheng said:
hello all!
i just got a kaiser from HK for a few days
maybe many ppl have the senses about the kaiser's poor video playing
bro mikeeey said that
so it does! the video is much better
and after that i found a crazy problem is :
my kaiser plays a video while the keyboard is pulled out , the quality is worse than that while the keyboard is not pulled out,the same video file,the same player and the same setting~
how incredible !
its not just my personal feeling, i made a benchmark ,the result told me while the keyboard is pulled out the video's average speed is 20% or more lower than that while the keyboard isnt pulled out
any bro have the same problem?
and forgive my broken English,just want to share that with all u greatest guys
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glad i could help! the qualcomm 7200 chip uses GDI. remember that for future purposes, whether it be gaming or video or anything.
its funny i dont have one of these but could help anyway. i sure wish AT&T would release the thing soon enough!
hey wait, did you say when the keyboard is out it still has problems? or was that fixed too?
Ok and how do I tell Windows media player to use GDI?
You cant (I dont know), but you can use TCPMP (just another free Media Player).
gogol said:
You cant (I dont know), but you can use TCPMP (just another free Media Player).
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what kind of idiot makes a phone with wm6 but cant play any video with the included videoplayer wmp? smart move. Why didnt they include a videoplayer that works?
I'm using the Core Player and I tried "GDI" vs "Raw Frame Buffer" and the benchmark tells me;
GDI=Ave Speed of 135%
RawFrameBuffer=Ave Speed of 168%
Guess I'll stick with Raw, it plays my Divx vids perfectly, but I encode mine at 320x240 just for small gear like this and iPods. They look very sharp and clear at these modest rates.
I also tried RawFrameBuffer with the Keyboard Open=163%
glad to see u all greatest guys replied my thread!
and many thanks to awesome bro mikeeey & RemE! you rock!
i just tested & compared RawFrameBuffer with GDI
the average speeds r following:
RawFrameBuffer (with keyboard opened):125.11%
RawFrameBuffer (with keyboard closed):122.87%
GDI (with keyboard opened):75.90% 囧
GDI (with keyboard closed):110.29%
the result above tells:
the quality (GDI) is satisfied, and the RawFrameBuffer is better than GDI~~
my crazy problem in floor 1 seems just appearing in GDI video output
and thank all u greatest guys again!
what are you guys benchmarking with?
There is a built-in benchmark tool in TCPMP and Core Player
when in portrait mode, the video will be 240x180 if it is 4:3.
When in landscape it is 320x240
Maybe because it is pushing more pixels in landscape?
Mind you, in portrait surely it is having to do a rescale, but the figures would suggest that drawing the pixels chews more CPU than manipulating them.
This would seem to hold true for a system without a GPU.
RemE said:
There is a built-in benchmark tool in TCPMP and Core Player
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aha! i shall run some of my own to add to the collective benchmark pool
ive already thrown some extreme divx's at it and i can say that the cpu is the bottleneck, not rastering the output - as it stutters on visually complex scenes (scenes that require a fair whack of cpu to decode)
source vid meta (according to windows):
664x268 - duration: 02:19:08
audio: 112kbps mp3
video: 98kbps xvid - sample size 12bit - 23fps
TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results
Average Speed 109.82%
Video Frames 5130
Audio Samples 10317847
Amount of Data 41481 KB
Bench. Time 3:14.827
Bench. Frame Rate 26.33
Bench. Sample Rate 52960
Bench. Data Rate 1.7 Mbit/s
Original Time 3:33.963
Original Frame Rate 23.97
Original Sample Rate 48000
Original Data Rate 1.5 Mbit/s
URL \Storage Card\SpiderMan 3.avi
Size 838916096
Platform PocketPC
OS Version 5.02
OEM Info Kaiser
Clock speed 385 Mhz
Video output Raw FrameBuffer 240x320 16bits Lookup
Video zoom 332x134 -> 132x320
Audio output Wave Output 48000Hz 16Bits 2Ch.
Hello,
Just brought Diamond and noticed that Coreplayer QTV doesn't work. Need to switch back to Directdraw. Anyone having similar problem ?
Thanks !
try this version.. and let us know if it works!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380387
really??what a shame
so...is it another device without the proper driver?
No, its an incompatability.
someone1234 said:
try this version.. and let us know if it works!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380387
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It seems to me according to the post, the build in the post does not relate to QTV.
Seems there is also some discussion regarding the problem on Tytn II with WM 6.1
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=1044.15
Maybe I will just wait for the 1.2.5 release.
The Diamond does have driver acceleration though so do you really need QTv? (ie is DirectDraw slow?)
The QTv mode in CorePlayer is a "workaround" that the developers had to use for Qualcomm devices that doesn't have proper drivers, since the Diamond does have drivers you shouldn't need to use the work around..?
undac said:
The Diamond does have driver acceleration though so do you really need QTv? (ie is DirectDraw slow?)
The QTv mode in CorePlayer is a "workaround" that the developers had to use for Qualcomm devices that doesn't have proper drivers, since the Diamond does have drivers you shouldn't need to use the work around..?
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For performance, my guts feeling is that it is not better compared with universal (I sold my universal before, cannot compare). Hence, I think there should be room for improvement.
I am not familiar with what QTv really does, and not sure how to define what a driver is supposed to optimize. But since Diamond runs TouchFlo 3D pretty fine, can I say it has proper driver ? Does driver need to accelerate 2D applications or video decoding ? I am not sure about that.
Thanks.
We just released CorePlayer v1.2.5 that has a QTv fix for WM 6.1, see:
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=1071.0
Can anyone confirm that the 1.2.5 works on the diamond?
1.25's qtv mode is indeed working fine on Diamond.
I am not sure how to interpret these benchmark numbers tho. The video file is 640x480 mp4. In any case, video looks really clear altho screen size is a bit too small for my taste.
Average Speed: 112.86% (vs. 77.17% on DirectDraw)
Video Frames: 4706 (vs. 3054 on DirectDraw)
Audio Samples: 8674720
Amount of Data: 31939 KB
Bench. Time: 02:53.913
Bench. Frame Rate: 27.060
Bench. Sample Rate: 49879
Bench. Data Rate: 1.50 Mbit/s
Original Time: 03:16.280
Original Frame Rate: 23.976
Original Sample Rate: 44100
Original Data Rate: 1.33 Mbit/s
The QTV working when using coreplayer 1.2.5, but I experience the screen not synchronize when playing fast motion video. Just like have a line moving form left to right. Is it normal behaviour?As I haven't such problem when I was using Dopod 900 with Intel Xscale mode.
ngod said:
The QTV working when using coreplayer 1.2.5, but I experience the screen not synchronize when playing fast motion video. Just like have a line moving form left to right. Is it normal behaviour?As I haven't such problem when I was using Dopod 900 with Intel Xscale mode.
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It's lacking vertical synchronization.
It exhibits the same problem on the Kaiser.
As far as I can tell only DirectDraw and GDI use vsync in CorePlayer, unfortunately they also perform the worst (GDI is usually a lot better than DirectDraw on the Kaiser though, dunno about the Diamond)
1.2.5's QTV does not work on youtube !
I just testet 1.2.5 on my Diamnond HTC, but it didn't work on YouTube videos. The wierd thing is that at the first try, it did play a YouTube video but after a restart, it stopped playing YouTube videos. I tried DirectDraw but it didn't help. With QTV, I get a purple screen with the "loading cricle" going round and round and with DirectDraw, I get a black screen with the "loading cricle" going round and round. So, has anyone this prblem? I mean problem with YouTube videos on CorePlayer?
lutanica... Video output, IE: Directdraw has nothing to do with the buffering icon..... likely you need to change your YouTube Quality setting..... 'Preferences > Network > YouTube' and select one that works.
beta_boy said:
lutanica... Video output, IE: Directdraw has nothing to do with the buffering icon..... likely you need to change your YouTube Quality setting..... 'Preferences > Network > YouTube' and select one that works.
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I've done this setting and youtube works fine through Coreplayer. One weird thing though the Youtube appication that came with my diamond now won't play any video, the sound plays fine but the screen is blank. It worked fine before installing Coreplayer, but i've also installed several other apps and i'm not sure whether it's coreplayer or something else that's messed up the Youtube app?
anyone else experienced this on their diamond??
HELP!
i've some problem with coreplayer 1.2.5 and QTv.
i've never noticed before but, since some week with QTv :
- video and images takes some seconds to display
or
- images are not displayed till i press again on screen
or
- videos and images are not displayed at all
i dont know what happened
i tried to uninstall, clear registry, softreset, reinstall
but with no results...
Qtv is buggy on the Diamond and must be used with "TytnII Driver mode".
Mine was not working and suddenly it does now. It helps a lot, but there is still the Vsync issues.
Hi my coreplayer couldnt panelling to the middle of the movie. I had to watch it from the start, is there anyway i can forward it to the mid part of the movie? My file is in FLV.
hey people ive spent weeks trying to play a smooth video on my x1 so far everything i done had failed whether it was wmp or tcpmp or even coreplayer,read almost every post tried almost every converter and pretty still stuck seems as if my old tytn plays videos smoother so i can only hope coreplayer releases a new version soon! if anyone knows anything please post thanks
Zeyn Karim said:
hey people ive spent weeks trying to play a smooth video on my x1 so far everything i done had failed whether it was wmp or tcpmp or even coreplayer,read almost every post tried almost every converter and pretty still stuck seems as if my old tytn plays videos smoother so i can only hope coreplayer releases a new version soon! if anyone knows anything please post thanks
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What ROM do you use?
I am able to play the Bond trailer (.mp4) without problems, with WMP and TCPMP.
Link to TCPMP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634951
im using the pheonix rom build 56502 WWE. is this tcpmp any better than the latest coreplayer? because so far coreplayer played videos better than wmp and tcpmp although it was still laggy maybe it's my drivers but im using the omina driver and get a better benchmark than the rest with sktools 792 to be exact
i've been using the video encoder provided in the sticky and it has by far surpassed all other video encoders that i've used. it takes advantage of the hardware acceleration in the X1 but the only video app that uses it is WMP and the Media Panel.
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i've been using the video encoder provided in the sticky and it has by far surpassed all other video encoders that i've used. it takes advantage of the hardware acceleration in the X1 but the only video app that uses it is WMP and the Media Panel.
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I don't know bout you but using that encoder takes 6 to 7 hours and sometimes it freezes, I don't have the time and patience for that. @ Zeyn Karim I have a collection of video drivers that might maybe improve your performance. Not 100% sure it will but I guess it won't hurt to try.
tried and failed with that converter lol even waited a whole night to encode only to be dissapointed the next morning.
anyway thanks guys for the support and drivers will run couple tests and let ya know the results hopefully this will solve my problem not sure why but my media player doesn't seem to run as good as everyone claims it does, i should remove the omina driver lets hope that's the problem
tried every driver and no luck! looks like i'll never be able to watch anything on my xperia! so i give up! stupid coreplayer! what's taking them so long! been reading up and looks like they rather work on the stupid UI instead of focus on HW support! i don't care if coreplayer looks crap! only thing i want is a smooth crisp video is that too much to ask! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Yeah I'm kinda disappointed as well. I was watching a lot of videos on my old wm 5.0 smartphone but the Xperia fails. I activated "Raw FrameBuffer" and videos got smoother - still don't think thats what you are looking for...(only tried out fairly low quality movies...)
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tried every driver and no luck! looks like i'll never be able to watch anything on my xperia! so i give up! stupid coreplayer! what's taking them so long! been reading up and looks like they rather work on the stupid UI instead of focus on HW support! i don't care if coreplayer looks crap! only thing i want is a smooth crisp video is that too much to ask! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684106
This version of TCMP I get video playback in GDI mode very smooth I watched Shutter Island on it with no lag.
Yeah,my old tytn may not have been the best phone in the world but atleast i could watch some of my favourite shows whenever i felt like.
thanks viper89 will test out the tcpmp,glad to see youve been watching something on your x1,can you please state which encoder you used and are you also using the omina driver?
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Yeah,my old tytn may not have been the best phone in the world but atleast i could watch some of my favourite shows whenever i felt like.
thanks viper89 will test out the tcpmp,glad to see youve been watching something on your x1,can you please state which encoder you used and are you also using the omina driver?
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I actually didn't encode the video, I don't watch movies that much so I really don't bother with encoding and the one that is stickied takes ages to encode . The video drivers that are installed in my phone are:Chainfire-HD2-3D-Driver-Patch-2.0( not sure if this has any effect in are phones),Chainfire-TG01-D3DM( not sure if this any effect either lol),Driver_Ati d3d, SJ SamsungOmnia_Driver_D3D and optxperiabeta02( It makes the sound in the X1 louder but it also said that it changes the video driver to.)
Wow you installed all of them! what's your benchmark with sktools? and does the "optxperiabeta02" damage your speaker in any way? if not could you please post it thanks,Is it a noticable difference?
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Wow you installed all of them! what's your benchmark with sktools? and does the "optxperiabeta02" damage your speaker in any way? if not could you please post it thanks,Is it a noticable difference?
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My Sktool benchmark is: Integer 331, Floating Point 7.71, Draw Bitmaps 656. Also a important fact is it also depends on your rom Stock or none Stock and if it's 6.1 or 6.5 and if your running Sense 2.5 in your rom(which I am), so my stats most likely would be higher in a stock 6.1 rom. I've had my phone for 8 month and been using optxperiabeta02 for 7 month and no speaker damage. And it makes a hell of a noticeable difference lol.
my benchmark is integer 331, floating point 7.47 ,ram access 1519 , draw bitmaps 800 , main write 11070 ,main read 17066 still have no idea why im having video problems.by the way im running 6.1 with manilla 2.5 sense
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my benchmark is integer 331, floating point 7.47 ,ram access 1519 , draw bitmaps 800 , main write 11070 ,main read 17066 still have no idea why im having video problems.by the way im running 6.1 with manilla 2.5 sense
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Hmm draw bitmaps 800 nice. It might because your on 6.1 oppose to my 6.5. Your still having videos problems playing videos in GDI mode in TCMP?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/
showthread.php?t=684106 havnt got a chance to test yet but will try as soon as i get time did you try kinoma play? im interested to find out hows the playback. damn coreplayer if only they would support our HW id would be so awesome!
Guys there is really a simple answer to this thread: There is only one solution for decent video playback on Xperia X1. Convert your movies to mp4 (h264 avc codec, max. resolution 800 * 480, bitrate 600 kbps) and play them in WMP or Media Xperience Panel (I prefer the latter). You can either use the converter provided by xda (projection) or any other software that supports this codec. There might be some differences in duration of a convertion and it is definitely dependant on your computer's specs (processor) but generally converting videos is a time consuming task and 6 - 7 hours isn't really inappropriate for entire movies (2-3 hours). Everything else won't work. Coreplayer, Pocketplayer, Kinoma etc. do not support hw acceleration and thus 480 * 320 is the maximum resolution that can be played back using those players. If you want high quality movies (what is definitely possible on the Xperia X1) you will have to face convertion to the right format. There aren't any drivers that do miracles and there aren't any insider tips. Only convertion will do the trick.
thank you altae for those bad/good news
Maybe I'm missing something. I've never had any problems playing videos or movies on my X1. Just rewatched Princess Blade on it the other day, in fact.
The truth can sometimes be hard But let's stay serious: It's a pity that WMP or Media Xperience Panel do not support more codecs especially the very widely used xvid/dvix codecs.
But the positive news are: It's definitely possible to play high quality movies as long as they are in the right format. And for all the short videos you would like to show a friend you have always the possibility to play divx/xvid movies in 480 * 320 which isn't that bad for this purpose.
Hi All,
So I have read all the threads I could find about video players on the Nook Color, and I am still having a little trouble. I don't know if its normal, so I am looking for some help/advice/guidance. This is going to be long, but it's because I am trying to be as thorough as I can.
My Goal:
To have a 7" tablet that browses the web, reads/writes email, lets me IM, reads ebooks, plays video files from my video collection, plays music from my collection, runs Pandora, Netflix, and Hulu, and is capable of swype (slideit).
What I have:
I have a brand new Nook Color that I bought just for turning into a tablet to play with (3 days ago). I started by rooting with nooter, and flashing CM 7.0.3 stable (2 days ago) to the emmc through CWM. I have since updated to CM7 Nightly #144 (today - more on that later)
My problems:
So I was happy with everything in CM 7.0.3 except for its video playing capabilities. I was using Moboplayer (I didn't download any codecs or anything, just straight moboplayer from Market). I know that the advice of the professionals on here is to use handbrake to convert whatever video you want to watch to an exact format that is ideal for the Nook, however, I, like many other people on here, have tons of movies (7 TB), and I have tons of places that I play them (every console, psp's, ds's, laptops and netbooks aplenty, etc.). So I don't want to convert them, and I have read several threads where people are playing un-converted videos without problems. So I picked a random episode and tried to play it. Here are the specs of that video.
Total file size: 349MB
Video -
Length: 42:26
Frame width: 624
Frame height: 352
Data Rate: 1003kbps
Total bitrate: 1152kbps
Frame rate: 23 frames/second
Audio -
Bit rate: 149kbps
Channels: 2(stereo)
Audio sample rate: 48 kHz
While in 7.0.3 with Moboplayer the video runs ok and the audio is sync'd up fine, but its not silky smooth. It looks like its running at about 18fps. I don't know how to find the exact framerate, but it is just a little less then when it plays on my computer, and it is just barely low enough to cause enough chop to be annoying. So the first thing I tried was downloading Dalingrin's 042411 OC kernel for eMMC. I thought if I overclocked my processor, it might solve the problem, and my research on this forum led me to believe that was the right OC file for my version of CM. I set both the min and the max to 1300 and still had the problem. In my research I also found that many people were talking about how Dalingrin had unlocked hardware decoding in some of the newer CM nightlies. Also, the OC kernel already exists in the newer nightlies. So I downloaded the newest nightly. I am now on #144. Once I got back up and running, I downloaded Moboplayer and tried again. Same problem. Even overclocked. I saw someone mentioned using the Neon codec pack for moboplayer. For some reason the Neon codec pack doesnt show up in my market (although a bunch of other Moboplayer codec packs do). So I went to Moboplayers website and downloaded the Neon codec pack zip file. I tried to install it with CWM in recovery mode, but it keeps failing. Having done some more research I downloaded a player called VitalPlayer Neon (there is a non Neon version but I paid for and installed the Neon version). When I play that same avi file in VitalPlayer is starts it and a little window pops up at the very beginning that says "Software codec play!!" The video (and several others like it) plays silky smooth. I couldn't ask for a better video playing experience. However, if I go into the settings for VitalPlayer (Settings -> Decode Mode) and tell it to use hardware codec, when I try to play the file its says, "Can't be played!!" Am I missing something?
Summary - So my questions are:
1) Is there a way to monitor FPS?
2) Don't I want my video player running with Hardware codec?
3) Why isn't my video player running with hardware codec?
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When I am done, I am going to write (yet another) guide for how to do this the easiest way for someone looking for a tablet/ereader experience like I was, that doesn't mind paying a couple dollars to get it right. The advice I have gotten on this site has been AWESOME, I just wish it was compiled a little better. It seems like people try so hard to get the free apps to do what they want, that they miss the $1.49 app that does it perfectly. And you have to dig to find the non-free apps that do what you want. Theres a few threads where people are jumping through hoops, spending hours and days, and screwing up the CM installs to get swype to work when for $4.99 SlideIt is up and working perfectly in seconds. Money well spent for me. Also, the $1.49 for ezPDF was priceless compared to the hours I spent trying other pdf readers that wouldn't even remember what page I was on when I stopped reading. ezPDF should be the defacto standard for PDF reading IMO. I can even resize what I am reading to a legible size and it will wordwrap (text reflow) for me so I don't have to move left and right on each line.
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Thanks,
Josh
Not every zip file you see in Android is intended for flashing! Yikes! That zip you downloaded is most likely just compressing/wrapping an apk. Look in the zip.
Be glad it didn't run
I looked there, and I just see an apk.. http://update2.moboplayer.com/apk/armv7_neon-release.apk
And it says that moboplayer SHOULD automatically install a codec, so not sure it'd help but it's worth a try?
a) Just install the codec apk like any other, and MoboPlayer will automatically pick it up.
b) You can't use hardware decoding unless the resolution is at or below 854x480, period. Since your content (presumably) is higher resolution than that, software decoding is your only option. The good news is that (when overclocked) the Nook is indeed capable of dealing with pretty high resolutions, the bad news is that battery life will suffer.
Rodney
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Not every zip file you see in Android is intended for flashing! Yikes! That zip you downloaded is most likely just compressing/wrapping an apk. Look in the zip.
Be glad it didn't run
I looked there, and I just see an apk.. [link removed because I am not allowed to post links yet -Josh]
And it says that moboplayer SHOULD automatically install a codec, so not sure it'd help but it's worth a try?
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Hey Khaytsus,
I am glad it didn't run. In retrospect I definately should have known better then to try to let CWM "flash" this instead of "installing" it (so tired). That website does list it as an apk, but when you download it, it downloads as a zip. Should I have renamed it to apk and tried it? MoboPlayer didn't download anything when I started it, at least not that I saw (may have done it in the background). Either way I uninstalled it because VitalPlayer is working. I just need to see if I can make it do hardware decoding.
Thanks for the help!
Josh
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a) Just install the codec apk like any other, and MoboPlayer will automatically pick it up.
b) You can't use hardware decoding unless the resolution is at or below 854x480, period. Since your content (presumably) is higher resolution than that, software decoding is your only option. The good news is that (when overclocked) the Nook is indeed capable of dealing with pretty high resolutions, the bad news is that battery life will suffer.
Rodney
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Hey Rodney,
In Re b): Since my video is Frame width: 624 Frame height: 352, doesn't that mean my resolution is 624x352 ... < 854x480? If not, how can I check to see what resolution my video is? I got those stats by right clicking the avi file properties -> details.
You're right VitalPlayer plays that video beautifully. Thanks for the tip about the batter. I will keep an eye on it.
Thanks,
Josh
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In Re b): Since my video is Frame width: 624 Frame height: 352, doesn't that mean my resolution is 624x352 ... < 854x480? If not, how can I check to see what resolution my video is? I got those stats by right clicking the avi file properties -> details.
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There's a bit more to it than that, actually. It must be in a MPEG-4 container using the H.264 codec with baseline profile level 3.0 or less. AVIs need not apply. =)
Rodney
Hey,
As an update to this thread, I used Chisleu's Handbrake profile from this thread, and converted the video with the specs above. The new video did play with hardware decoding in both the stock player, and VitalPlayer Neon. It did not look quite as good (just an iota of a difference) as leaving the file the way it was and letting the software decode it. However, when I ran the new file with software decoding it didn't look quite as good as it did with hardware decoding (again miniscule difference). Summary: The original file looked the best, but wouldn't play with hardware decoding. The Handbrake'd file looked just a tiny bit worse (hardly worth mentioning) with hardware decoding, and just a little worse still with software decoding. Below are the file specs from right-click -> properties -> details.
new Handbrake'd file = left / old as downloaded file = right
File Size: 186MB / 349MB
Length: 42:58 / 42:59
Video -
Frame Width: 624 / 624
Frame Height: 352 / 352
Data Rate: 475kbps / 988kbps
Total Bitrate: 603kbps / 1137kbps
Frame Rate: 23fps / 23fps
Audio -
Bit Rate: 128kbps / 149kbps
Channels: 2 stereo / 2 stereo
Audio Sample Rate: 44kHz / 48kHz
Also noteworthy: In refference to the battery suggestion, since I upgraded from CM 7.0.3 to CM 7 Nightly #144, my battery performance has been stellar.
Thanks,
Josh
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Hey,
As an update to this thread, I used Chisleu's Handbrake profile from this thread, and converted the video with the specs above. The new video did play with hardware decoding in both the stock player, and VitalPlayer Neon. It did not look quite as good (just an iota of a difference) as leaving the file the way it was and letting the software decode it. However, when I ran the new file with software decoding it didn't look quite as good as it did with hardware decoding (again miniscule difference). Summary: The original file looked the best, but wouldn't play with hardware decoding. The Handbrake'd file looked just a tiny bit worse (hardly worth mentioning) with hardware decoding, and just a little worse still with software decoding. Below are the file specs from right-click -> properties -> details.
new Handbrake'd file = left / old as downloaded file = right
File Size: 186MB / 349MB
Length: 42:58 / 42:59
Video -
Frame Width: 624 / 624
Frame Height: 352 / 352
Data Rate: 475kbps / 988kbps
Total Bitrate: 603kbps / 1137kbps
Frame Rate: 23fps / 23fps
Audio -
Bit Rate: 128kbps / 149kbps
Channels: 2 stereo / 2 stereo
Audio Sample Rate: 44kHz / 48kHz
Also noteworthy: In refference to the battery suggestion, since I upgraded from CM 7.0.3 to CM 7 Nightly #144, my battery performance has been stellar.
Thanks,
Josh
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If you want the handbrake transcoded file to look as good as the original then you're going to need to match the video bitrates.
I generally transcode my videos with handbrake before I use them on my Nook. It doesn't take too long on my PC and the battery savings with hardware codecs is worth it to me.
Media playback is still a work in progress. The hardware codec "pickiness" isn't going to get much better but things like Flash and higher resolution and bitrates should improve in the not so distant future.
No miracles though =)
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The hardware codec "pickiness" isn't going to get much better but things like Flash and higher resolution and bitrates should improve in the not so distant future.
No miracles though =)
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/drool
Me thinks previously mentioned optimizations are coming along...... cannot wait!
dalingrin said:
If you want the handbrake transcoded file to look as good as the original then you're going to need to match the video bitrates.
I generally transcode my videos with handbrake before I use them on my Nook. It doesn't take too long on my PC and the battery savings with hardware codecs is worth it to me.
Media playback is still a work in progress. The hardware codec "pickiness" isn't going to get much better but things like Flash and higher resolution and bitrates should improve in the not so distant future.
No miracles though =)
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If it gets no better then it already is, I am extremely satisfied. I left yesterday with a full charge at about 3pm. I went back to my room, watched an episode of Numb3rs (thats the file I was using for my tests above) with software decoding, played about an hour of airport mania, and read some Isaac Asimov for an hour. It is now 2AM (11 hours later) and my battery is at 74%. I even have the Bubbles live wallpaper which is supposed to eat up my battery. This thing is almost perfect in that it does everything I want, does it well, and does it efficiently. Thanks for your hard work on it Dalingrin.
Now if I could just figure out my music problem from the other thread, I'd be golden.
Josh
Are you streaming or copying to the nook and playing? If streamimg, you can use vlc convert and stream to transcode on the fly, otherwise handbrake is the way to go.