I should feel like a tool.....
The other day, I turned off 3G via CommManager and I guess I didn't really realize I had done it - I have no reason to care if I am on "H" all the time or 3G or whatever. I didn't even pay attention to turning it off.
Over the past couple of days, I have noticed my reception at 3 bars, sometimes 4 bars.
I was surfing the Internet and noticed that my "H" was not showing and the speeds had been really SLOW.... so I messed with it for about 3 hours and then looked in CommManager and saw that 3G was off. I turned 3G back on and the "H" appears, speeds are great and the reception in the house is back to 1 bar.
This "one bar" has been a mystery to me and ATT for about 6 months. Now, I know what is causing it.
Hopefully someone else can benefit from this mistake / error / fix.
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This is very strange. As of yesterday my Tilt seems to be stuck in HSDPA mode.
Before yesterday when the phone booted it would first momentarily display G mode, then media net would try to connect and it would go to 3G mode. Then as the boot completes the application which access the internet kick in and the phone jumps to H mode for the downloads. When the downloads were done, it would settle back into 3G mode. That is normal behavior for the Tilt as it was for my old Hermes.
As of yesterday it starts in H and stays in H all day and nothing I do seems to be able to get it out of H. I have tried turning off the phone, turning off and on the HSDPA setting, rechecked all my tweaks, no change. I have done everything I can think short of a hard reset.
I was convinced it was a software issue on my phone, until I looked at my wife's phone. Her Tilt is doing the same thing as of yesterday. She is on the stock AT&T ROM (no bloatware) and I am on the Official HTC TYTN II WWE ROM (6.1) So the phones are different in terms of software and tweaks.
Thus I concluded it must be a network issue here in the Orlando Area. The network has been changing here of late. So I call At&t and even their second level tech support could not understand. They said we will have to take the phones back and get new ones.
The batteries are draining very fast in this mode. Does any one have any other ideas? This has to be a network problem, right?
LJinFLA said:
This is very strange. As of yesterday my Tilt seems to be stuck in HSDPA mode.
Before yesterday when the phone booted it would first momentarily display G mode, then media net would try to connect and it would go to 3G mode. Then as the boot completes the application which access the internet kick in and the phone jumps to H mode for the downloads. When the downloads were done, it would settle back into 3G mode. That is normal behavior for the Tilt as it was for my old Hermes.
As of yesterday it starts in H and stays in H all day and nothing I do seems to be able to get it out of H. I have tried turning off the phone, turning off and on the HSDPA setting, rechecked all my tweaks, no change. I have done everything I can think short of a hard reset.
I was convinced it was a software issue on my phone, until I looked at my wife's phone. Her Tilt is doing the same thing as of yesterday. She is on the stock AT&T ROM (no bloatware) and I am on the Official HTC TYTN II WWE ROM (6.1) So the phones are different in terms of software and tweaks.
Thus I concluded it must be a network issue here in the Orlando Area. The network has been changing here of late. So I call At&t and even their second level tech support could not understand. They said we will have to take the phones back and get new ones.
The batteries are draining very fast in this mode. Does any one have any other ideas? This has to be a network problem, right?
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d/l a communication manager that has a 3g on/off button see if that works
i believe duttys 10 button com manager should do the trick.
Congratulations! ATT turned on HSUPA in your area. What you described originally (3G going to H when doing data transfer and then back to 3G) is what the Tilt does when you only have HSDPA in your area. Once ATT turns on HSUPA (so now you have HSPA for both uploads and downloads) it will stay with H until you leave and enter an area that doesn't have HSUPA.
Bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with your phones.
I am not sure why you are seeing poor battery life. I have been living with H for almost 6 months and haven't noticed any changes in battery and haven't heard other people complaining about that either.
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Congratulations! ATT turned on HSUPA in your area. What you described originally (3G going to H when doing data transfer and then back to 3G) is what the Tilt does when you only have HSDPA in your area. Once ATT turns on HSUPA (so now you have HSPA for both uploads and downloads) it will stay with H until you leave and enter an area that doesn't have HSUPA.
Bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with your phones.
I am not sure why you are seeing poor battery life. I have been living with H for almost 6 months and haven't noticed any changes in battery and haven't heard other people complaining about that either.
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Wow jglev, thanks for the prompt info. Even the AT&T techies couldn't tell me that. I asked them about the network changes that have been going on. We have noticed that the name of the network has been changing over the last week fro "umts-AT&T" to "3G AT&T" to now just "AT&T" so I knew there were changes. But when i asked AT&T specifically, they couldn't tell me. Not surprising i guess.
My battery statement was more of an assumption I guess. it was my understanding from my past with the hermes that when the phone went into H mode the radio would take more battery power. and that is why the OS settles back into straight 3G mode in between downloads. Do you know if that is true on the Kaiser. What kind of battery life do you get in the HSUPA mode?
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Wow jglev, thanks for the prompt info. Even the AT&T techies couldn't tell me that. I asked them about the network changes that have been going on. We have noticed that the name of the network has been changing over the last week fro "umts-AT&T" to "3G AT&T" to now just "AT&T" so I knew there were changes. But when i asked AT&T specifically, they couldn't tell me. Not surprising i guess.
My battery statement was more of an assumption I guess. it was my understanding from my past with the hermes that when the phone went into H mode the radio would take more battery power. and that is why the OS settles back into straight 3G mode in between downloads. Do you know if that is true on the Kaiser. What kind of battery life do you get in the HSUPA mode?
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It is true that any 3G mode uses more battery power than say Edge or GSM, but I don't know if full H mode is any worse than just HSDPA. I can easily go a full day without charging, but since I have a charger at home, in the office, in the car and one I travel with, I ususally don't have to. When the phone is displaying H, it doesn't mean it is actively transmitting data, just that the network is H (and if you have the little H by the signal bar, then you are connected to the data network). So even if it's dormant, you will see the H. There really isn't an easy way to see if you are actively transmitting data with the Tilt/Kaiser as far as I know. If I remember correctly when I had the Hermes (which didn't have the little 3G by the signal bar, just the larger square icon), you could tell from the icon (the little arrows would light up), but you can't with the Kaiser.
And yes, for the most part, you will find that the people here (and HoFo) know way more than those who works for ATT (but there are exceptions).
LJinFLA said:
Wow jglev, thanks for the prompt info. Even the AT&T techies couldn't tell me that. I asked them about the network changes that have been going on. We have noticed that the name of the network has been changing over the last week fro "umts-AT&T" to "3G AT&T" to now just "AT&T" so I knew there were changes. But when i asked AT&T specifically, they couldn't tell me. Not surprising i guess.
My battery statement was more of an assumption I guess. it was my understanding from my past with the hermes that when the phone went into H mode the radio would take more battery power. and that is why the OS settles back into straight 3G mode in between downloads. Do you know if that is true on the Kaiser. What kind of battery life do you get in the HSUPA mode?
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No offense directed a KD8DNS, but the At&t Techs only know what their magical screen tells them, or if they are the few with brains, it's what they've overheard and learned in addition to the screen.
I worked a LOOONG time ago as a CSR for Voicestream, the Call Center people don't know item one on where the network is being expanded at what time. They have to wait for the "screen" the be updated, which can take a while.
OH and the fact there it phone says "H" now, is a good thing.
I've had "H" on my Tilt since the first time I powered it on last October. Even my 1 week stay in Pinellas County FL didn't leave me with an E/G.
As far as battery life is concerned, it is true that 3G/HSDPA will deplete your charge quicker that Edge. The way I get around that is using KaiserTweak to automatically kill my data connection after 1 minute of inactivity.
The data tweak combined with a nice low-power radio allow my phone to standby for 3-4 days.
Push Email and online IM with HSPA kill a battery in about 6-7 hours for me (stock Tilt rom/radio). I'm sure that if you only use data when you need to, it's not a big deal, but data being used pretty much all the time is killer compared to EDGE.
I've tried to stick with HSPA a few times rather than having to switch back and forth, but the battery life sucks (again, with push email and IM online) and the phone stays about 38c all the time at 'idle'. EDGE it's cold as ice all the time and the battery lasts about 24h.
I'm updating rom/radio soon, perhaps it is better with other radios.
Ive read several things on battery consumption and one the things is being in a bad service area. I am currently not in a bad service area (atleast I don't think) but my phone keeps swtiching from 3g to H and then H to 3g. Is this a problem if so what can I do to fix?
If I look at phone info whilst on 3G, I notice its switching between UMTS and HSPDA. Is the same thing? I also believe that battery life isn't as good as others report. Could this be why?
Your phone's connection idles at 3G and when you make a request, it switches to HSDPA and then retrieves information. It is normal to constantly see it switch between the two if you're using your data.
This is how I always understood it and am pretty confident this is what you are seeing.
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If I look at phone info whilst on 3G, I notice its switching between UMTS and HSPDA. Is the same thing? I also believe that battery life isn't as good as others report. Could this be why?
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I think the phone idles on 3g but when ya use data say in browser it'll kick up to H...
I think idling down to 3g saves power. But I don't like the 1 or 2 seconds at first when ya do data it has to switch to h taking the couple seconds. Now if ya instantly go to another page Its faster cause its on h. But if I wait lime 5 seconds it'll drop back to 3g so next page I go to it'll need to bump to h again...
Annoying but whatever
well I use juice defendor so when it snaps on when I take it out of sleep it snaps to 3g and then to H. So I'll pay closer attention to see when the phone takes it to 3g vs when it accesses the H.
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I have a Nexus One and I am having a problem where if I am in a location where there is HSPA available, then my phone loses 3G and HSPA connection. My phone has a 3G icon, but in the testing menu it shows that is keeps flipping back and forth between HSDPA and UMTS. Also the up arrow continuously flashes, but I don't receive any data back.
When I leave the area with HSPA service and switch to another tower which has regular 3G then my phone works fine. I figure the issue has to do with my phone missing something or having a corrupted file that is not letting it connect to HSPA service.
My phone had no problem connecting to HSPA earlier this week but all of a sudden I am having problems.
Anyone have any ideas?
I'm on vacation in Fort Collins, CO and have been having similar problems with 3G
only showing the up arrown and never downloading. I got sick of it and switched to EDGE for the time being. My wife has an N1 also and it is doing the same thing, so it looks like it's not the phone. I switched over to CM6 which has the 3G and H indicators and it will only download data with the H never the
3G indicator.
Rob
I also have the same problem. When I am on HSDPA my up arrow gets "stuck" and I lose all data connection. Here is a link with others having the same issue. http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?t=2720&page=2
Have a look at your apn settings in menu I had that prob and switched a few this around and got it kinda working
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my build.prop file was apparently missing the necessary entries in it. I flashed CM6 and now it works again, although my phone now thinks I am in Phoenix instead of Dallas.
Phone was working fine then all of a sudden doesn't work. No change in the settings. Has to be network related.
Starting at around 1AM EST last night 7/11 and running until this moment I have been going back and forth between Service, No Service 3G no 3G, able to place a call and unable to place a call.
My bet is there working on the network with this new HSPA+ roll out. The problem seems to be in markets that are expecting the roll out. I live in Jacksonville Fl. Up until last night I had flawless 3G and Data. It was terribly fast but I had it.
Now over the last 12 hours or so 3g Voice and data has been intermittent with no settings made to the phone.
i recently unlocked, rooted and s-off my htc one, on stock i used to get around 5/4 signal bars and now i only get two/three.
im currently running trickdroid 7.5 rom 4.2.2.
so im looking for a radio which would work for orange/EE in the UK.
please can someone help, or point me into the right direction
this is the one for the 4.2.2 firmware
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42139108&postcount=18404
Are you sure that it is not the same level? Don't be fooled by the bar looking different, remember that it might show 2 bars of LTE but that could still be better than 5 bars of H+ (as an example).
So if you used to get 5 bars of 3G but your now getting 2 bars of H or H+ then you are better off even though its less bars.
Please do not take this as me treating you as if you are stupid, I am not, I have come across a lot of people recently who thought the same, and it turned out to just be a different type of signal.
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okk i just flashed 1.29.401.12 Radio and it's back to normal.
i found it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245615
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Are you sure that it is not the same level? Don't be fooled by the bar looking different, remember that it might show 2 bars of LTE but that could still be better than 5 bars of H+ (as an example).
So if you used to get 5 bars of 3G but your now getting 2 bars of H or H+ then you are better off even though its less bars.
Please do not take this as me treating you as if you are stupid, I am not, I have come across a lot of people recently who thought the same, and it turned out to just be a different type of signal.
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thanks for the input but!
i never said i was using my data connection,
Same principle applies even with data off.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta
Lennyuk said:
Are you sure that it is not the same level? Don't be fooled by the bar looking different, remember that it might show 2 bars of LTE but that could still be better than 5 bars of H+ (as an example).
So if you used to get 5 bars of 3G but your now getting 2 bars of H or H+ then you are better off even though its less bars.
Please do not take this as me treating you as if you are stupid, I am not, I have come across a lot of people recently who thought the same, and it turned out to just be a different type of signal.
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So if I have 5 bars when set to "GSM" only but 2-3 when set to "GSM/CDMA" .. that's as good?
I'm being serious btw, I normally set mine to just GSM as I seemed to have more signal but if there isn't any point then I won't bother lol ..I'm in the UK btw and on a network that doesn't support LTE (I think)
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So if I have 5 bars when set to "GSM" only but 2-3 when set to "GSM/CDMA" .. that's as good?
I'm being serious btw, I normally set mine to just GSM as I seemed to have more signal but if there isn't any point then I won't bother lol ..I'm in the UK btw and on a network that doesn't support LTE (I think)
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You can confirm the 'type' of signal you are getting at any time in the menu > settings > about part of the phone.
Your phone will automatically switch to whatever the best signal is available at any time, you don't really need to change your GSM/WCDMA settings, unless you really want to force it away from 3G connections (again this does not mean you have to have data turned on).
Cool, I'm not too fussed about what data type it uses as I rarely have data turned on, I just naturally assumed that by switching it from GSM'CDMA Auto to just GSM, meant that I'd have better reception, being that the signal bars went from 2/5 to 5/5 ... You learn something new everyday lol
EDIT: I checked my signal, and I mean my reception, not the data connection type, when switched between GSM/WCDMA Auto and GSM Only and there is a huge difference. I found this guide:
dB Signal - A basic guide
-50 to -60 (very strong, near a cell tower)
-60 to -70 (extremely good, rare)
-80 to -85 (normal downtown)
-90 to -95 (getting on the weak side)
-95 to -98 (weak, dropping calls)
-98 to -100 (bad, hard to stay connected)
-100+ (basically no usable signal)
When I set my phone to GSM Only I hover around -70, which is good, when I switch to GSM/WCDMA Auto it is a different story. I know it changes and finds the best signal, which I might add drains more battery on an already power hungry beast, but I was hovering at -100 which is terrible and often calls were dropping or people were saying it was engaged when infact I hadn't used it.
It's clear to me that in my case, GSM Only is the far better option if I actually want to use my phone to make calls ... Data speeds I'm not arsed about so EDGE is just fine with me.
After 2-3 days of not messing with the phone anymore (flashing, putting root apps, etc) my somewhat alright LTE signal has now turned into 3G with no circle around it meaning it's connected to the network, but not actually getting data. It happened while I had the phone in standby for a few minutes, so I can't think of any one app that caused it. Reinstalled rom even after a full wipe.
The strange thing is I will sometimes get a faint signal of 3G which then dissapears within a minute. I did the latest OTA before I flashed my rom so I should have the newest radios and everything. I can't update profile either. My family is getting good signal so I know it's something with my phone. Any ideas?
Happened to me too..I re activated with Hands Free activation to reset the data connection to Sprints network..Only worked twice for me through out the day then the phone was just stuck in the same spot as yours (3G with circle around it). Nothing we did reset the data link to sprints network(cust. svs rep).I brought the phone back to where I bough it and they didn't allow an exchange unless they held the phone over night to test it..I didn't have time for it and everything i hear about the Triband set up Sprint is doing not allowing data while in a call and the growing pains of the network rebuild have worn down on me after 10 years so i had to return the phone and buy it on a network that allowed the phone to operate the way it was meant to..
When I first got the phone, it would hold an LTE signal much better than my m7. Then last night I notice LTE cutting in & out where it was pretty stable before. I check it was trying to connect to Band 26 which is 800 LTE. It might have been from a further away tower. This was the first time I have ever seen Band 26 in my area which is currently being deployed. The constant cutting in & out also drains my battery down. This has nothing to do with my phone but the towers which my home tower has been having issues since last July. For now I set my phone to CDMA only since I have wi-fi at home & work anyway I don't need the phone on LTE. Even when LTE was working on 1900 which was stable, the signal was still pretty week and would drain more batter than a strong 1X signal. Since LTE is data only right now, there is no reason to have the phone prefer LTE when wi-fi is on. With CDMA only it's not bouncing around all over the place.