That is the question. Looking to that T-Mobile Wing device and found a lot of negative feedbacks in internet. Many people says that wing is very buggy and slow. What do you think about that? Very appretiate to get your opinions.
Thank you.
At this point, the wing is the only phone that Tmobile offers. It is pretty buggy and slow with the stock ROM on it. There are plenty of custom ROM's found on this forum that make the wing usable. I wouldn't say that they are incredibly fast compared to the tytn II, but with the right programs and ROM, the wing is fairly stable and fast.
At this point if you can wait I would say wait. The wing is near the end of its life cycle and with T-mobile launching its 3g network now they are going to come out with a new device. I am looking forward to getting my hands on an Android phone when they launch it 3rd quarter. Its a good phone just a little old and under powered at this point imo.
well bro.. Tmobile Wing a.k.a. HTC Herald is a older device. You can see, HTC Touch, have the same processor but double of memory (RAM and FLASH). Also u can see HTC Polaris (Touch Cruiser) is powered by a speedy processor (400MHz)
I can recommend u HTC Kaiser (TyTN II, AT&T Tilt) that its sold by AT&T. Is a good device, the only thing is poor video drivers.. but.. u r goin to turn ur ppc into a gaming device? i dont think so
Ok guys. First of all thank you about your opinions. You have very friendly forum.
I am consider wing as a cheap device. Just looked at ebay and found a lot of 300$ offers for never used phones. I am using t mobile prepaid and so can't get contract discount. I think all models which you mentioned are more expensive then wing.
Thank you again for your opinions.
if you want it for cheap i know of a WWw where you can get it cheap and new with 2 year contract
There are a lot of 1$ offers with 2y contract on ebay
its a good www i have used it may times and got my phone and family's phone from here
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That is the question. Looking to that T-Mobile Wing device and found a lot of negative feedbacks in internet. Many people says that wing is very buggy and slow. What do you think about that? Very appretiate to get your opinions.
Thank you.
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I got mine on ebay a little over a year ago for around 250, but yeah, on the stock rom, it does run slow and can be buggy. ...but, flashing to different roms, and all the tweaks you can do make it run extremely stable and quick. True, there are some other phones coming out with faster processors, but you are going to pay a lot more $$$ for them. I'm extremely happy with the way I have my phone setup now. It's a night and day difference from the stock rom.
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Ok I have been seriously thinking about buying one of these and have already started saving my money to get one but before I take the plunge and spend almost $800.
I guess my first question is a hardware question. I have read a few posts about people having issues with the USB being "crappy" and also the digitizer cutting out due to loose internal connections. I really want to know if these are very common problems or rare instances of hardware failure.
Seccondly, it seems like the firmware is kinda buggy from things that I've read and that the phone's release was rushed and the firmware suffered the consequences. I know there is no cube on the Kaiser, (honestly glad to hear it... its a memory wasting piece of junk IMHO...) I know that TouchFlo is not on the phone and honestly, it's not neccessary to me.
Third and finally, I have T-Mobile as my wireless carrier and if I were to buy a Kaiser, would it be possible to configure it for T-Mobile's GPRS and EDGE settings for their Total Internet package that I have? I am a big user of the internet on my Wizard and would need it if I bought a Kaiser.
I suppose what I'm asking is are there any serious firmware flaws that drive you guys(and gals) crazy and is the hardware commonly unreliable on these phones? I really like what I see on the HTC website and I have done alot of looking around on ebay and love the performance specs I have read but don't want to spend a ton of money if it's not worth the money. You know?
Any and all help on this matter would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Dan.
Honestly it's not a problem.
My Kaiser (and my Wife's and a work friend) are all fine. There are a few sniggles with the firmware, that I'm sure will be sorted, as lets be honest all first edition firmware's have.
The device DOES have TouchFlo, just no Cube......
The internet etc are all fine... I'm on T-Mobile as well....
Go for it, it's the best QVGA device out there at the moment.
Mine has no problems and is fantastic!.
Matt.
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Honestly it's not a problem.
My Kaiser (and my Wife's and a work friend) are all fine. There are a few sniggles with the firmware, that I'm sure will be sorted, as lets be honest all first edition firmware's have.
The device DOES have TouchFlo, just no Cube......
The internet etc are all fine... I'm on T-Mobile as well....
Go for it, it's the best QVGA device out there at the moment.
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I'm gonna go for it. I figure what do I have to lose? Money? I can always get more... Besides it seems like a well built phone and from what everyone has told me and everything I've read, it seems to be completely compatible with T-mobile which is a plus.
I'm saving guys... Sooner than later I hope, I will be an active member of the Kaiser community but for now, It's Wizard for me.
Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....
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Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....
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I am also in the same boat. I was expecting more from it when it came to playing movies and just overall performance. Don't know if I should return it to newegg and void the att contract. Or if it would be better to keep the contract, sell the phone on ebay, and use that money to buy a different phone.
return them
I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.
Take It Back
return it...
RETURN IT
why? well the more HTC get returned etc the quicker they will pull their finger out and correct things and not allow such stupid mistakes
Just make damn sure that when you return it; you tell them WHY.
Hmm... The new 8gb Nokia N95 has just come out... Looks rather nice too...
All of you whom own a Tilt / Tytn II, T-mobile or other clone distributed by carriers should return this piece of ****ty hardware when not satisfied with the video performance.
Indeed, AT&T certainly would not have counted on such a return (and loss ) and will raise this towards HTC as loss of business.
Just return the ****ty thing and buy something that does what it's supposed to do.
And, for your own good, never buy anything coming from HTC. They're crooks, hypocrites and arrogant bastards who think that their customers are of a low enough IQ to be mocked in their face and still want to feed HTC money (this is exactly what comes out from their official response to the driver issue).
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I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.
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It no iphone for me....no way. It has the same problems in limited capabilities as you have to convert everything and use itunes….no thanks!
Also, anyone have suggestions besides iphone??????
Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.
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Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.
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no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted
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no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted
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Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!
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Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!
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Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device
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Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device
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Yup. I bought my tilt last week so I still have two weeks to decide. I would return it today if i could figure out a replacement that does everything the Tilt does but better. I would personally rather have the Tilt than an Iphone even with the problems, and that nokia isn't doing it for me.
If you don't mind losing the internal GPS and the extra ram you could downgrade to the 8525 (Hermes). Nice thing is that there price has dropped considerably since the Tilt came out. For awhile there AT&T was selling them for $99...so you could probably find another site out there somewhere that would give it to you even better than this.
I'll trade someone my 8525 for their Kaiser
ha, I can't believe what im reading here! are u guys really that bitter. I honestly feel that even when (if) htc releases the fix, MOST of us will not notice a big difference in our daily use. I compare it to a bluetooth keyboard I purchased. before I bought it, I was going crazy, thinking I needed one, etc. once I got it, I don't think I've ever used it.
don't get me wrong, I would love the drivers, but other than that I love my phone. great internet, great gps, full keyboard, etc. there is honestly no other phone id rather have.
My Warranty ends tomorrow. I think im just going to keep the damn thing. Sure the video converting sucks. but, I got the Camera to work (thanks to Navadi), and I havnt watched a movie on my mobile in awhile. At least the reception is flawless. I have better reception than most of my friends and family. with the same provider, AT&T.
In my house NO ONE gets reception. and I can have a full conversation inside my house perfectly.
My brother who owns the Iphone. He has to walk outside in order to talk on his phone.
Oh and yeah the full keyboard is much better than the Iphone at Texting.
Oh and dont get me wrong I am disappointed with HTC with the way they are handling this situation. Atleast be helpful, rather than leaving us with a "F**k you, we got your money, you got what you paid for." what they did was false advertise.
The problem is, in the U.S. The phone is still better than majority of all the other phones out there. OBviously not in Europe. but here. Yeah.
I've had both the iPhone (Returned it) and now I have the TILT...i prefer the tilt.
I know the video situation sucks but I think the phone is still good overall
OK, out of strange series of events I ended up buying a tilt and a Tytn II online that should be here soon. I also purchased a 8GB card *drools* that I'm saving for when the lucky phone gets here.
First off I want to say I've had a 8525 (hermes) for a year or so and I wanted to upgrade I am very familar with having this PDA and it's plans but what I'm not used to is flashing (even though I did it once to upgrade my phone from wm5 to wm6) I would like to know which ROM are best at the moment or even if there is one and if it's even worth it to jump into 6.1 right now.
My second question would be 0_0 which phone do I keep?? they are both new and I plan on selling the other one. The tilt isn't unlocked but I don't see how that really matters since I'll be using att anyway. Also Black is my favorite color (which this tilt is). but I do like the extra camera that the tytn has (even though I probably won't be able to use it). So which one should I keep?? Which ROM should I install once I decide which one to keep??
does anyone have an idea??
Read all about the ROM's and then decide which best suits your needs.
The phones are basically the same, especially if you install a ROM.
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I'm just putting this out there, but you know.... since you have a second one, people are looking for a donation tilt/tytn to work on for video drivers
I'd keep the Tilt. The units are basically exactly the same, and you can get more in return for the TYTN II since it has the front camera that you can't use. The only thing you can use the front camera for is a mirror, so unless you are a pretty vain person, I don't think it is worth it. If money isn't an object for you, I think the TYTN II is a little cooler looking, but it doesn't really make sense to spend the extra amount for it over the Tilt.
I'm looking to purchase a cheap Hermes if you are letting that go too.
Well yeah I am planning on selling it. I was planning on trying to sell it for 280 with the 2GB card how does that sound to you??
I wanted to buy a TYTN II then i read than i can buy a HTC tilt 8925 for less than a TYTN II on ebay then upgrade the rom to TYTN II.
It is easy or risky to upgrade it?
Where i can find file for?
Also i saw on youtube some video who are showing than tomtom and videoplayer is slow on it. it is true?
Thanks
TYTN II and HTC Tilt 8925 are basically the same phone. The only difference is the camera on the front. Its useful in Europe where they support video calling.
Would I recommend it? Yes I would. Only because its currently the best most feature loaded phone you can get right now in the USA. However after the way HTC handled the whole driver issue, it will most likely be my last HTC device. At $150 with a 2 year contract you cant beat it, even with its faults.
The performance isn't bad for most tasks. I would suggest it mainly for tech friendly people and geeks. I would recommend the iPhone over it, if only the iPhone had 3G and was more open like Windows Mobile.
pops, i think u totally misunderstood what he was asking. He was asking if anyone would recommend buying the AT&T Tilt compared with the Tytn II.
Mammouth, the answers to all your questions is available everywhere in this forum. start from the stickies in here and in the upgrading forum and aso the wiki
I'm pretty sure I understood the question. My first sentence addressed the Tilt vs TYTN II question. The rest of my response wasn't as direct to his questions about the rom, but was direct at the title of the thread. "whould you recommand HTC tilt?"
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Also i saw on youtube some video who are showing than tomtom and videoplayer is slow on it. it is true?
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Hell no I wouldn't recommend it. I got mine for $700 only to find out that they didn't develop drivers to use the hardware graphics acceleration on the chip they touted. They didn't make this point known and now appear unwilling to rectify the situation. I felt fine spending so much because I trusted HTC. I bought early having faith in them as a company. If you really want one/absolutely must have it and can find it for really cheap then by all means go for it. They are easy to flash and customize. However, if I were in your shoes, knowing what I know now, I would save and wait for the next wave of devices. Something with a VGA screen, >= 128Mb RAM, GPS, and fully developed drivers to use some sort of acceleration.
To sum up - no I can't recommend the Tilt. In fact I can't recommend any HTC device anymore. I'll personally never buy one from them again. It's sad too cause I was a huge fan
Yes for now, but 3 months down the road, no. Better phones will be available then. Just wait for another better more full featured phone with windows. Or wait longer for WM7(WM8?)
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I'm pretty sure I understood the question. My first sentence addressed the Tilt vs TYTN II question. The rest of my response wasn't as direct to his questions about the rom, but was direct at the title of the thread. "whould you recommand HTC tilt?"
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well......tbh i'm not even sure if i understand wat he wants to know anymore........htc tilt 8925
Sorry to have posted
Personnaly I have to say that i used palm product for years, and blackberry too, I've been using a QTEK 9100 for two years and now switch to the Diamond and I'm really impressed...
Everything I had to say against any of my preivous machine is 'corrected' in the diamond...
Of course, it's a device running with windows mobile, so it requires tweaking, it's a hardware for geek...
I won't give it to my wife (I bought her a qtek 8500 (star trek)) but it's a really impressive piece of tech (I don't care about the multipoint of the Iphone... I really prefer the zooming option for opera...)
Don't get me wrong, I really understand how a lot of people could get frustrated or desapointed with this, but I had to give my opinion too...
Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..
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Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..
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you are my hero! thanks for saying it so gently...i have a long list of nicknames and curses for moruns that come here to whine only...did i say morons? ooops! i am sorry...
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I must openly convey that HTC Diamond is not a user-friendly phone; nor is it reliable. I have had my handset for about one month and have encountered so many problems that it is disappointing!
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I'm so glad that you took the time to register on this forum and make this post your first.
Another 'Diamond is [email protected]' thread is exactly what we need here.
Thanks for sharing...
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The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
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never heard of warranty right?
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you are my hero! thanks for saying it so gently...i have a long list of nicknames and curses for moruns that come here to whine only...did i say morons? ooops! i am sorry...
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HTC Diamond NOT recommended!
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I quite avidly read through all forums relating to HTC products and fully appreciate the work that alot of more experienced people do within XDA-developers. However...
I must openly convey that HTC Diamond is not a user-friendly phone; nor is it reliable. I have had my handset for about one month and have encountered so many problems that it is disappointing!
Today was the final nail in the coffin for my will to purchase HTC products; my error was that I had unwittingly let the battery die. Now, I can no longer use the handset even using ac charge. The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
Very annoyed that the cost for such a product is so high, it is slow and the manufacture support is very poor. In fact, the only 'good thing' about this phone is its design!!
I have never tried the Iphone, but, I suspect that it is much better than this product.
Please take note!
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will you sell it
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Today was the final nail in the coffin for my will to purchase HTC products; my error was that I had unwittingly let the battery die. Now, I can no longer use the handset even using ac charge. The phone does not work and I now need to travel to a 'service center' so that I can pay for them to repair.
Very annoyed that the cost for such a product is so high, it is slow and the manufacture support is very poor. In fact, the only 'good thing' about this phone is its design!!
I have never tried the Iphone, but, I suspect that it is much better than this product.
Please take note!
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If the Phone is complete empty, it takes some time to charge. If you use not the original usb cable it probably won´t work to charge the phone with the pc, so use the "normal" ac charger and wait at least 10 mins before you try to switch it on.
And yes, the Diamond is probably not the most userfrendly phone. But most people who buy expect a bit more than just a phone.
For me it is the best machine i ever tried. It´s the first phone wich combine the latest technic features with a unbelievable form factor! No windows mobile phone on the market can reach this combination.
Sure, there are o lot of real nice phones out there, wich are better in some points.
diamond recommended
Had my diamond about 2 months got it when it first showed up. This is a fun pda and very reliable for me. The battery is not a problem for me. I have a car charger!!
My daughter has an iphone. Nice phone, not a pda, cant do half of what i can with my diamond. Some features are better on the iphone, but the Diamond overall outshines it. I like a small compact phone. The iphone is big compared to the Diamond. I cant put the programs that i have on my Diamond on the iphone. No iphone for me. Sure I could have 2 iphones (or more) for what i paid for my Diamond, but then i would have two PHONES only. Iphones just dont do it for us PDA people. Hope iphone does good with their new release. Not for those who want a true pda. If anyone just wants a phone...i would choose iphone.
The OP has only 1 post and it's just a post to b!tch and whine about the phone - most likely you either have a dud phone or you have not upgraded the ROM to the latest local/cooked ROM and have not tweaked it to its current (not yet full) potential. Yes the phone does have it's crap here and there but overall it's a good phone.
Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.
bull crap!!!
the Diamond is excellent i dont know where you guys fell out of but no hassels at all
Everyone, calm down ;-) I am not an 'apple shill' nor am I a moron! Read my message; I am clearly stating that I (as a not so-experienced user) have had problems that disappoint me with this particular phone! I have had a TYTN also before.
In response:
Andrax: I have installed the 'recommended tweaks' and have had to hard reset at least 5 times! But I do appreciate your response.
Darthbane2K: I had noted that I have never had an iphone before. Take it easy mate! Apple dont pay my wages
kukurikU: thanks for your support!
horstborsch: when you buy the handset in HK, they only cover the actual warranty for 10 days. After that you have to go to the designated 'warranty' center to pay for repair!! Not my fault that CSL are given a contract.
farukb: probably not; though I am disappointed (the actual point of this thread)
Eurosportler: Thank you for your helpful and appreciated post.
BTW: As noted by 'p3eps'; this is my first post.... delete it if you dont like it!
God sake moan moan moan, you are on this forum for a reason right! That is to use the improved custom roms that help bring out the better of the phone. Too many people are impatient and dont read the instructions properly.
I for one will definately keep to this phone and know it has more potential to improve each time with the brilliant cooks coming out with great roms.
If you dont like the phone sell the phone, simple as. You can see on my list of phones that I have been more or less a htc or windows based phone for years and each phone got better and better with new and improved roms.
Im sorry but i back the Diamond to be a great phone and im sure im not the only one.
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horstborsch: when you buy the handset in HK, they only cover the actual warranty for 10 days. After that you have to go to the designated 'warranty' center to pay for repair!! Not my fault that CSL are given a contract.
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really? this sucks!
In germany (I think in the EU too, too bad for the UK) the manufacturer has to give you a warranty of 2 years on every electronic device and the dealer where you bought it 1 year!
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Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.
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@3#...! &***!!! & dhahhh!
Hello!
Sorry to have posted.
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Another Apple shill spreading the good word before the big day this Friday.
Ive noticed more and more of you onthe Internet forums this past week, and its becoming a little transparent now!
Geez! HTC must really have Steve losing sleep at night..
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Hehehehhe
Most of them would be completely lost anywhere outside of that tightly controlled apple universe.
Remember second best they are.
69reichertm said:
Hello !
Sorry but he is right - the Touch diamond is NOT a good phone.
By the way - I pay 500 Euro and then must go to a forum and load tons of unsupported HTC Software to get it work the right way ?
HELLO ?
When I buy a phone for this amount it must be just working.
Without any patch.
Just use my finge and the phones touchscreen must do what I want.
It can not be that the phone then takes 2-3 seconds to think about what to do.
The touch screen needs to be tipped with the right strength !
HELLO !
You always blame the iPhone but with this device you use your finger and it does whatit should.
The Touch would be good it it would react on my commands.
It is difficult to use the finger to get internet working. Everytime the finger strikes make land on an other menu
Hey - HTC says a stron 52x MHZ CPU - my old MDA 2 was as fast in the feeling of the GUI.
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Dude get the hell out of here and go make a line for your fruity phone with al those duchessss. I smell fruity fan boy here.
Guys... i have a question for you if it happens that anyone knows ... I've been a Iphone user and sold my Iphone few weeks ago for the Diamond... it is still in delivery so didn't have time to check the responsiveness yet.
Well, the point is that on the Iphone all the touchs had an immediate response and everything was real fast loading. I m guessing that disabling multitasking is having something with this responsiveness but still, do you guys know how much RAM the iphone has compared to the diamond and what CPU that it use. This is only for the sake of comparaison !!!!
I 'm also thinking why would HTC not put moer RAM into their devices as it costs nothing theses days ... having 528Mb or even 1Gb of RAM would make the day of all of us i guess ...
Please correct me if i'm wrong .....