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Pre-Ordering a Kaiser

Has anybody around here ever used www.superetrader.co.uk, 'cause that's who I'm thinking of placing my pre-order with...
Alternatively, has anyone got any recommendations for where to put my name down (in the UK, preferably).

They are active over at pocketGPSworld and seem legit, although given Expansys aren't claiming to have an in-stock date I'd be a little dubious about stock coming in Wednesday.
Do let us know what you do
Gordon

Thanks Gordon.
I don't really believe the availability date, they have other HTC phones with the same date given for availability so it's probably just a general day when they receive their HTC shipments or something.
The P4550 page looks a bit out of date - a couple of the specs (GPS chip, RAM) look like they're taken from old information, so I'm guessing the availability date is a little way out as well. I've been waiting since January though, so a bit longer wont hurt.
They've got quite a good score on DealTime but I'm never sure whether to trust those sorts of sites, I'm happier listening to forum opinions, so unless I see a load of negative opinion, I'll probably go with them later this week - but I think I'll use PayPal or Google Checkout for a little extra peace of mind.

Seems they have removed the phone now as cannot see it on there site.

Superiorgadgets is taking pre-orders
http://www.superiorgadgets.com/ca/product_info.php?products_id=224

Couple of suggestions
I've used these guys before:
http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/PDA/HTC/HTC_P4550.html
and these guys have been around for ages!
http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....Category=591602F7-C32B-44D8-859D-F9230F032E7E
Gordon

Expansys
I used expansys sometimes it is a great seller so i ask me why they don`t accept pre-order for the Kaiser... You can pre-order a iphone too wich nobody knows when it will be aviable in Europe....

Another one taking pre-orders
http://www.devicewire.co.uk/HTC-P4550

Another pre-order HERE

Wow $869 USD???
Is that really the price?
What if I waited and purchased it from Cingular? I'm wondering if the preorder price is so high because it's without carrier?

evolution_theory said:
Wow $869 USD???
Is that really the price?
What if I waited and purchased it from Cingular? I'm wondering if the preorder price is so high because it's without carrier?
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check link agian it costs now : $766.50

This product will be in stock on Thursday 20 September, 2007.?!?!? Well not so quickly

It was supposed to june in Asia, then delayed til Aug, now most probably will be Sep however will want HTC to iron out the details first before we get our hands on one, don't really wish to be a guniea pig tester

kaiserchief said:
Has anybody around here ever used www.superetrader.co.uk, 'cause that's who I'm thinking of placing my pre-order with...
Alternatively, has anyone got any recommendations for where to put my name down (in the UK, preferably).
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I used superetraders to get my ETEN M700, they were very helpful with the order (complicated with a cc registered in one country and delivery to another country). The device arrived within the time they said and the phone had had a pre-sales check - I never got any of the problems that seemd to plague others!
I can heartily recommend them!

Anyone know if Kaiser is going to be available in Australia if so when.

Well I placed my oredr with Superetrader and payment was taken straight out of my account because I (stupidly, it seems) used Google Checkout.
Google Checkout showed my P4550 as "Posted" but, as noted earlier in this thread, Superetrader then took the P4550 off their site.
A few e-mails later trying to figure out what was really going on, Superetrader have confirmed that the release date has slipped to "Hopefully late July or early August". Shame I had to pay for the thing way in advance, but I'm hopeless with money so at least I know it's paid for and will be on it's way asap.
Moral is avoid Google Checkout! I have no problem with Superetrader, but the whole process has been complicated by Google and their fledgling payment service, which clearly needs a bit of ironing out.

Kaiser on ebay
Guys,
Grab a Kaiser from ebay
Just found this one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HTC-Kaiser-P4...oryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

deluxion said:
Guys,
Grab a Kaiser from ebay
Just found this one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HTC-Kaiser-P4...oryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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$1350?!?!?! I hope that is packed full of gold and various high-quality jewels.

Pre-Release Phone Sold
deluxion said:
Guys,
Grab a Kaiser from ebay
Just found this one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HTC-Kaiser-P4...oryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Sorry guys, phone is sold... to ME
Yer it is slightly expensive.. but I am going to salary sacrifice it.. trusty tax cut so overall it wont be that bad.
Can't wait till it gets here! Tho it will be a few days cos its coming to Aus..
- Syrius

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Anyone know if Kaiser is going to be available in Australia if so when.
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I have an email confirming that the delivery date is scheduled for the fisrt week of September.
www.calculatorking.com.au
I bought my O2 Mini from these guys so they are very reputable.

AT&T Kaiser Delayed until October?

I typically don't like contributing to the rumor mill, but I am looking forward to this device, and was disappointed when I got word from my AT&T Regional Sales Manager this morning that there are some delays in the release of the Kaiser.
Typically he is spot on and his information matches what has been circulated on these boards, but I hadn't seen any information like this here as of yet.
He wrote in an email to me that his conversations with their HTC rep indicated that WM6 and its functionality with some of the "custom features" of the handset. He went on to say that we should expect to see it launched in October.
I'm not exactly sure what he meant by the WM6 functionality, but I thought I'd send this out to this group to see if it can be confirmed from someone else's contacts at AT&T.

thirdowl said:
I typically don't like contributing to the rumor mill, but I am looking forward to this device, and was disappointed when I got word from my AT&T Regional Sales Manager this morning that there are some delays in the release of the Kaiser.
Typically he is spot on and his information matches what has been circulated on these boards, but I hadn't seen any information like this here as of yet.
He wrote in an email to me that his conversations with their HTC rep indicated that WM6 and its functionality with some of the "custom features" of the handset. He went on to say that we should expect to see it launched in October.
I'm not exactly sure what he meant by the WM6 functionality, but I thought I'd send this out to this group to see if it can be confirmed from someone else's contacts at AT&T.
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I still have my hopes up for 9/3 or 9/11.

grr dub post

if true it means ATT is trying to lock it down even more then they did on the 8525 being wm6 is fairly solid out of the box

Is there any possibility ATT will allow the Kaiser to view voicemails like the iPhone can? I know its an ATT specific service, not just iPhone.

I wonder if they are trying to figure out the various versions, i.e. front facing camera, no front facing camera etc.
Who knows.
I'm hoping that someone with another contact will actually prove this wrong!

The managers in the two ATT stores near me (Providence, RI) were both dour on the September release. One said that he really hadn't heard anything about September 3 and that he generally would have a couple of weeks out.

i just checked with my local AT&T store a few hours ago and the manager said that its still on for the 3rd of sept. and that the pricing will be $499 as an upgrade or 1 year contract, $399 as a new 2 yr contract, plus a $50 mail in rebate that brings it down to $349 and for some reason i seem to be eligible for another $50 off and a waived upgrade fee.
Hope this helps

Boy Genius is reporting October 1. Guess I'll just have to stick it out with the 8525 for one more month!
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/08/31/atts-got-a-busy-month-ahead-of-them/[/URL]

UK Stock

Is it available anywhere in UK other than Expansys? TotalPDA says 'In Stock' but when you call them they say the 13th.
Want one NOW!!!

firedup said:
Is it available anywhere in UK other than Expansys? TotalPDA says 'In Stock' but when you call them they say the 13th.
Want one NOW!!!
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yes from ebay.

walshieau said:
yes from ebay.
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Mmm no good to me, I need next day delivery...anyone know anywhere else? I'm going to have to pay Expansys otherwise and I HATE them!

firedup said:
Mmm no good to me, I need next day delivery...anyone know anywhere else? I'm going to have to pay Expansys otherwise and I HATE them!
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Well your only choice is Expansys then but beware you will get a non uk spec model which means you wont get any HTC UK warranty support. IF anything goes wrong with it, you will need to send it back to Expansys for them to sort out and the worst part about it??...you will only get 12mths warranty not the usual 18-24mth warranty that comes with UK spec models. Plus you will have to register the unit with HTC Asia to get any updates.
The worst thing is that Expansys are selling at a far higher price than other retailers. Personally if i was you, id wait the extra week or so...totalpda are saying they will have them next week and they are selling them for £410...a hell of alot more cheaper than Expansys.
But your choice though, i wouldnt touch Expansys with a barge pole now...

Spawn12 said:
Well your only choice is Expansys then but beware you will get a non uk spec model which means you wont get any HTC UK warranty support. IF anything goes wrong with it, you will need to send it back to Expansys for them to sort out and the worst part about it??...you will only get 12mths warranty not the usual 18-24mth warranty that comes with UK spec models. Plus you will have to register the unit with HTC Asia to get any updates.
The worst thing is that Expansys are selling at a far higher price than other retailers. Personally if i was you, id wait the extra week or so...totalpda are saying they will have them next week and they are selling them for £410...a hell of alot more cheaper than Expansys.
But your choice though, i wouldnt touch Expansys with a barge pole now...
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Yeah I think your right. I havent bought anything off them in years as they're always arrogant and overpriced. I'll wait until next week.
Cheers

firedup said:
Yeah I think your right. I havent bought anything off them in years as they're always arrogant and overpriced. I'll wait until next week.
Cheers
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I would say its the best thing you could do mate, im really after one myself although am not too sure if ill end up keeping it but id rather wait an extra week or so and get a proper UK spec model...that way i know ill have tech support by HTC UK and updates via them as well. But thats not to say that you wont get updates via HTC or warranty if you do buy a grey import...just means that you will have register the unit on the asian website rather than the uk one. Plus theres always the fear that seeing as you didnt buy it from a uk retailer, you might not end up getting it fixed/replaced should it go wrong etc. And just to point out, Expansys havent as of yet even confirmed what or how the warranty works with these grey imports.
Plus too many times inthe past ive paid a silly price to have the latest phone, only to find out that the price dropped in a matter of days.

Yeah fair comment - you sound as bad as me! I just want something to play with over the weekend!

firedup said:
Yeah fair comment - you sound as bad as me! I just want something to play with over the weekend!
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LOL i know, i dont want to wait but id rather be safe in the knowledge that should my Diamond go belly up...ill have full HTC UK support and updates.
Oh well cant wait for next week to come though....ill be honest im really wanting the Sony Xperia X1 though but seeing as that wont be out for sometime...im going to have to settle for the Diamond.

Do what i did, look at the uk ebay sellers, see if one lives near by, ring them up or pm them and ask for one cash on delivery, i got one from manchester a few days ago (2hr round trip for me lol)

jkr284 said:
Do what i did, look at the uk ebay sellers, see if one lives near by, ring them up or pm them and ask for one cash on delivery, i got one from manchester a few days ago (2hr round trip for me lol)
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Yeah tried that bit only HK sellers at the min - can't really justify that round trip! The only UK seller says No cash on collection.

I really don't see the problem with buying from Expansys.
So what if they're grey imports? No-one knows for sure the situaion with regard to warranty etc. And how many people have ever had to use the warranty anyway? The one thing that everyone seems to agree on is Expansys will handle repairs under warranty in the first year, and I can't see many people on here having the device for more than 12 months anyway!
Regarding software updates, I'm sure that anything HTC release will be available on here.
The only problem I can see is the price but I decided I wanted one now so I've stumped up the extra money to get it now.
Also, I would have money on TotalPDA et al having further delays, I think the DeviceWire date of 23rd June is more likely than next week, so I've bitten the bullet and gone down the Expansys route. And with Saturday delivery I should have it tomorrow

I don't think you'll regret it. I have mine and it's very, very nice. Make sure you do the cache size tweak in the tweaks post fairly soon after you get it. It makes all the difference, it's very fast now and the Touchflow is working 100% better. Can't see anything 'wrong' with the phone at all. Hope you enjoy it as much as I am!

Another Potential Source
I pre-ordered mine from Play.com if anyone's interested.
Cheapest price I found and should be special delivery (next day).
Stock date was originally 9th June but recently changed to 13th and holding there.
All the best.

i,ll giv u 10000% support. noce sound
mouseymousey said:
I really don't see the problem with buying from Expansys.
So what if they're grey imports? No-one knows for sure the situaion with regard to warranty etc. And how many people have ever had to use the warranty anyway? The one thing that everyone seems to agree on is Expansys will handle repairs under warranty in the first year, and I can't see many people on here having the device for more than 12 months anyway!
Regarding software updates, I'm sure that anything HTC release will be available on here.
The only problem I can see is the price but I decided I wanted one now so I've stumped up the extra money to get it now.
Also, I would have money on TotalPDA et al having further delays, I think the DeviceWire date of 23rd June is more likely than next week, so I've bitten the bullet and gone down the Expansys route. And with Saturday delivery I should have it tomorrow
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mouseymousey said:
I really don't see the problem with buying from Expansys.
So what if they're grey imports? No-one knows for sure the situaion with regard to warranty etc. And how many people have ever had to use the warranty anyway? The one thing that everyone seems to agree on is Expansys will handle repairs under warranty in the first year, and I can't see many people on here having the device for more than 12 months anyway!
Regarding software updates, I'm sure that anything HTC release will be available on here.
The only problem I can see is the price but I decided I wanted one now so I've stumped up the extra money to get it now.
Also, I would have money on TotalPDA et al having further delays, I think the DeviceWire date of 23rd June is more likely than next week, so I've bitten the bullet and gone down the Expansys route. And with Saturday delivery I should have it tomorrow
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I know you've bought it now so there's going to be no convincing you but i have to correct you anyway
The point is that you have NO idea what sort of waranty expansys are offering. It could be the case that they have to ship it back to asia to have it repaired adding alot of lead time for their processes on each end.
It could be that they don't cover some minor things that the original waranty would because they don't want to spend money couriering it to HK for something minor - you might say they can't do this because of the terms of the waranty slip or whatever, but there's alot to be said for intepretation of those terms!
The waranty is an added value service to the phone. Even if you never use it, and only keep the phone for 12 months, the resale value of your phone will be alot less in 12 months time vs someone who still has a 12 month UK waranty left.
Also because you don't know what the 'value' of a 12 month expansys waranty is, you could find in 2 months time news breaks online it aint worth ****, and sure you can legally fight for your rights, but your resale value on your phone will be impacted drasticly.
And for the risk of all this you're paying potentially 90 pounds more, to have it 1 or 2 weeks early. Hey thats your decision, but please don't be one of those people who tries to convince themselves it aint like it is. It is like it is, and if you go ahead, do it knowing that!

I'm not sure how that post was correcting me, it was just offering your opinion which of course you're entitled to.
I've had mobile phones for many many years, and lots of different HTC models and I've never had to claim on warranty yet.
I'm happy to pay the extra and take what I think is a very, very minimal risk. If I listened to doom mongers like you I'd never do anything.

Oh and regarding resale values in 12 months when it may or may not be out of warranty, just how much do you really think that will make a difference? Resale value of a 12 month old phone is going to be very low, with or without a year to run on warranty.

OK, it's arrived! Which means I've been able to read the warranty card. The card states 24 months for the phone and 12 months for accessories.

Well if i saw 10 phones on ebay, and 5 of them had 12 months left, i know which i would buy.
Correcting you in that you tried to make out waranty is worthless. Its not!
You may have had 1000 phones for all i care, eventually one will break. Thats just statistics.
With regards to 'If I listened to doom mongers like you I'd never do anything.' you completly missed the point. Its not about omg its all destined to end in misery. Its that there is a very real and sensible argument about waranty and support here. It is your choice weather to buy in spite of that - but instead of saying YOU dont care about the waranty you are implying no one should.
As for the waranty card there are conflicting reports, and this was my point - no one knows the truth right now:
- Some people are saying HTC have told them they categorically WILL NOT waranty the devices outside of their original intended sales region - and variations of essentially the same point.
- One person has said that HTC will not adhere to any terms on paperwork inside the box as it was not intended for this region.
- One person says he was told HTC WILL uphold the waranty.
- Expansys say these devices do have a waranty.
- Expansys refuse to publically confirm the length of the warnanty, but some people have pasted emails from expansys confirming a 12 month waranty.
- Expansys have said that the waranty of the device is through them, not direct with HTC.
- People have been unable to register on the UK site, and only the english HK site.
- If HTC say that these devices were sold in this region without their permission, expansys will be fined again.
Maybe none of that matters to you, but i'm sure it does to some people. The uncertainty at least.
EDIT: Anyway i think my point is made and i don't expect you to agree with it. I'd rather this didnt degenerate into an argument, so thats my last word on it. Respond with any last comments you have on the topic, and lets leave it there

Yep, fair enough, no point arguing about it. Incidentally, the warranty is not transferable if you sell the phone, without HTC's written permission. Such permission will not be reasonably withheld, it says in the warranty card.
Just wondering how many people get this written permission before selling their phones, not many I'll wager.

TotalPDA

Looks like TotalPDA's website has been updated to show a 1-2 week delay - despite telling me only on Friday that they had them physically in the building (more than that - the guy swore they had them physically there) but could not ship due to embargo. It seems every time someone talks to TotalPDA they get a different story!
Hope the delay is not too long...
Rich

That's a shame. It's obvious that all of the companies are pretending to have them, but none of them (apart from Expansys, which is cheating) will have any until sometime between the 15th and 25th...
Just get INKINO to let you know when they have some, and don't worry about getting a Touch Diamond until they have some - they'll be among the first the get the devices...

I spoke to two people at TotalPDA on Friday saying they had none in stock but are receiving a delivery on Wednesday (the other guy Thursday). So hopefully you should get it Thurs/Fri. I'm going to call on Wednesday to see if they have got them.
Will let you know

I think the 1-2 weeks means they got no more 'preorder' slots left for their first delivery.
They always said 'in stock' but the numbers they had kept going down.

Just got this:
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I'm dropping you an email to update you on the status or your recent order for the HTC DIAMOND.
We have just received a communication from HTC to say that they are delaying the launch of the official UK version of the HTC Diamond. We are now expecting delivery on the 24th June 2008.
Please accept our apolgy for this delay but it is outwith our control
As we are a major seller of HTC products within the UK, we shall be one of the first to receive these units and in turn you will be the first to receive them within 24hrs of delivery.
HTC would like to offer their apologies for the delay in supplying these products to the market
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Would LOVE to know the name of the sales staff that SWORE they had them pysically in stock - grrrrrrrrr
R

I just got the same.
I've just about had enough! I replied right away and cancelled my order.
I've ordered from ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130228910138
389 pounds including delivery (they're a power seller in manchester). I know its an import, but at that price i just dont care anymore!

they've set this date probably because devicewire claims that they will be the first in UK to have them - officially. Devicewire claims thta they will have them in stock on June 23th, day before.

These delays and grey imports are really hurting the Touch Diamond. If the people at Apple were normal, I'm sure they'd be laughing at HTC now, and feeling slightly relieved.

Diamond in the UK

Hi everyone
Any news on the UK release? Any insiders know when O2, T-mobile, orange might be releasing it?
Thanks!

The only thing I know about is that HTC have given a "worst case scenario" date (and everything generally is a worst case scenario with them) of the 23rd of June for the unbranded (HTC branded, to be specific) version. I don't actually know whether or not the delay that has affected the unbranded versions will affect the branded versions (i.e. O2 XDA Diamond, T-Mobile whatever).

First stock was delivered on Friday but I missed that order so my order is being delivered on Thursday. Getting really excited now. Wondered whatg i should do with my aging tytn?

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First stock was delivered on Friday but I missed that order so my order is being delivered on Thursday. Getting really excited now. Wondered whatg i should do with my aging tytn?
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Hope you havent ordered with TotalPDA. They're TotalLYERS

Fortunately not. I am (hopefully) getting mine from insight. Getting worried now though due to so many people getting stuffed by other suppliers.

I pop into an Orange shop yesterday and the fella there said that it popped up on they're intra net as a 'coming soon' last week. And that it usually means its out within 6 weeks, fingers crossed we've only got 5 more weeks!

im waiting for orange too
i just check the site and there is nothing on the comming soon for the diamond
i hope i get mine before i go to hong kong for a holiday (sept)
not to say that ill also be looking at what phones they have to offer there too

ARGH! SOB. Just spoke to my supplier and he told me the uk dist has pushed the delivery date back to July! B*ll*x. Might cancel the order now and just wait for the Touch Pro

35mmslr said:
ARGH! SOB. Just spoke to my supplier and he told me the uk dist has pushed the delivery date back to July! B*ll*x. Might cancel the order now and just wait for the Touch Pro
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Which supplier is that?

35mmslr said:
ARGH! SOB. Just spoke to my supplier and he told me the uk dist has pushed the delivery date back to July! B*ll*x. Might cancel the order now and just wait for the Touch Pro
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July is pretty bad - especially considering the fact that the orignal release was planned for early June. I'm getting quite worried now that I won't get my Diamond for ages...
But I won't consider the Touch Pro unless the Diamond's release date is pushed all the way back to within a week or two of the Toch Pro's release date...

I read on a blog that orange will have it June 22nd.
I personally prefer the O2 design, with the rear panel that won't catch finger prints and the blue touch flo style.

I spoke to 5 O2 stores in and around glasgow, and not one of them agreed with any other about the release of diamond, ive had everything from "never heard of it" to "christmas, cuz we don lese ones ight new" (translated for normal folk, he said they dont release phones at ths time of year and it'll be more like christmas)
in short, no one has the first foggiest when O2 will release

Got mine...
Got mine from expansys. It looks like they are the only site with actual stock. Arrived yesterday and even came with a free DECT/VOIP phone - which I will probably never use!
Its a very nice device, although Opera takes a little getting used to. Was a bit concerned about battery life, but second overnight charge seems to have sorted it out.
Horse

Insight is my supplier. Looks like even Expansys have changed it to 25June this a 13 day delivery time. Why do they do this to us?

This is exactly what happened with the Cruise and one of the reasons I decided to bite the bullet and pay the extortionate Expansys prices.
All you guys still waiting have my sympathies, I know what it's like.
On the bright side of things though I can assure you all it's worth waiting for. Once you've tweaked it that is

Be Carefull
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Got mine from expansys. It looks like they are the only site with actual stock. Arrived yesterday and even came with a free DECT/VOIP phone - which I will probably never use!
Its a very nice device, although Opera takes a little getting used to. Was a bit concerned about battery life, but second overnight charge seems to have sorted it out.
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I am having a huge problem with Expansys... I got mine a few days ago! Its a dodgy GREY HongKong import job!

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I am having a huge problem with Expansys... I got mine a few days ago! Its a dodgy GREY HongKong import job!
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huge problem? or the problem is that its an import?
Its conclusive now that expansys are selling the grey imports - its not just a theory - i thought everyone knew already!
Anyway you can return (distance selling regulations) and avoid any restocking fee because its not as advertised - they 'suggest' its a UK model.

Guys, how can I tell if it's a HK import? What to look for on packaging and/or device? I heard it finally came to Bulgaria and gonna go check it out someday next week. How to make sure it's the EU model?

register it with HTC club ... look for EU plug charge ... maybe ROM difference - not an WWE but customized for Bulgaria ?

I mean before I buy it...