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I would like to start programming for my Fuze and I would love to share what I end up making. The problem is that all my research has led me to the following facts:
-I need Visual Studio 2005 Standard with Windows Mobile 6.1 SDK
-Visual Studio 2005 Standard costs money that I don't have (and no I'm not asking anyone for handouts)
Does anyone know of an IDE and SDK that I can use that will not empty my bank account? There just HAS to be one out there for people like me who just want to put something together without making money off it.
I would like to program in C++, but I suppose Java ME would be fine also.
I am continuing to search for myself as well, if I find anything I'll update the thread. As soon as I find out the best way to accomplish my goals I will write up a tutorial on the wiki.

Just a suggestion, if you attend/work at a university or know someone who does, educational versions of software are often much more affordable. And the software is usually the same as the retail copy, with an annotation somewhere "Education Edition" or similar.

Alas, my school days are far behind me... perhaps I should take my company up on their Master's program...

I know this is only my first post, but I patrol this board a lot. I might be able to get Visual Studio 2005 Standard for $20 since I work for the Government, and Microsoft has the Home Use Program. Let me check with my IT department and see what I can do. I will call them today and see what the code is.

Does the same apply to defense contractors? Also, I'm sending you a PM.

If you're willing to use a student or "home use program" license from someone else, why not just pirate it? It's not like you're in compliance either way.

I never said I would use someone else's home use program (in fact I told him in PM in clear language I would not use non legit copies). I just wanted to know how he goes about finding out if he can get a cheap copy so I could do the same through my company, a defense contracting company.
I never said I would use the student copy unless I was a student. If I started my master's, I would be a student. I won't be doing that most likely.
Please keep responses in this thread useful.

Jeez, I was merely addressing Da_G's suggestion. He's the only one who suggested it, and that was the topic of my post.
If I really wanted to be "useful", I would've told you to check with your IT department. Any type of business can have SA status and be eligible for said Home Use Program.

App development

Arrrightt,
so i want to start cooking some apps and will be doing my own testing...unless there are daring enough people to try. Before i send it out i'll be sure to break it in on my own before i send out some defective thing
Anyways i have a few questions before i get started, is there a tutorial on here or somewhere on how to write apps or is there a way to re-write an existing app (for another os) to work on the android os
Cheers

There are a number of places you can start:
1) The Android SDK website has some simple tutorials http://developer.android.com/guide/index.html
2) Anddev.org http://www.anddev.org/ has tutorials of various nature.
3) In the dead tree world there are a couple of books I would recommend:
- "Hello, Android" by Ed Burnette: A good starters book but a little light on content in my opinion.
- "Professional Android Application Development" by Reto Meier: A more substantive book. If you like the Wrox programmer to programmer series of books (which I do) you will like this one. Still not as thorough as I would like but a good book.
- "The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development" by Mark L. Murphy: I have not gone too far into this book yet so can't comment on it much. I think this will be my favorite of the three over time. It is a better book if you like to read a chapter to learn a fundamental concept. My gut feeling is it will be a better reference book as well.
4) The android developers blog is a nice place to read for tips on optimizations and such: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/
Beyond that study the javadocs and samples that are out on the web.
As far as porting an existing application to android goes it depends a great deal on what language the original was written in and how UI dependent it is. If the original application was not written in Java I would not recommend trying to port it unless you are intimately familiar with the original project. If the original project was written in Java then port for non-ui elements is generally straight forwad. Keep in mind however that the UI will need to be rewritten from scratch and further the limited screen real estate and memory will need to be taken into account. Writing an app for an embedded environment (whether Android, Symbian, Windows Mobile, or something else) has different priorities, first and foremost is optimizing for limited CPU. Where a traditional interface coupled app with loose control over object creation and destruction works fine on the desktop it does not do so well on an embedded platform.
That is all I have at the moment. Hopefully that will give you some avenues to explore and good luck!

yea i am reading through hello, android at the moment and i like it so far. ive never touched android before, and i know a little java, and the explanations seem pretty good to me.

eclipse doesnt run properly on windows vista 64 bit
im seriously crying i get errors trying to get it to work

insanemonkey said:
eclipse doesnt run properly on windows vista 64 bit
im seriously crying i get errors trying to get it to work
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I am not a windows guy and but you might try this:
http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/readme_eclipse_3.4.1.html#I-General-64bitJava
really this is off topic for this thread though. (If you want help P.M. me or start a new thread with the error message and I can take a look.)

Web site creators?

Hey-
A friend of mine wants to build a website for his small business. He has a domain name registered and he has a host. He just needs to build the site. He asked me if I could help/knew of any good programs that help make the job easier.
Neither of us have much code writing experience, but we both have a lot of experience using computers at a higher level than the "norm".
He would prefer something he could run on his linux box, but would settle for something on Windows XP.
Any suggestions?

Hi, i would use: Microsoft Expressions 3
another good program is: Serif Webplus X2 / X4

wordpress is also an option it's easy for users to update themselves even if they are not
good at html or j-scripts and php

Thanks for the responses guys! We will take a look at those programs. I have heard good things about wordpress for us html deprived folk that have good overall skills. It looks like a good match to me(free, easy, good support community and powerful enough for what we are doing). Of course, we are going to take a look at the other suggestions, Expressions 3 is something I am familiar with, but we are not looking to spend any money if possible (not pros, just helping a friend). Not real familiar with Serif other than I know the name and I know it is a solid option.

If you go to
Students4Software you can get:
Microsoft Expressions Studio 3 for £20 / 50
all ligit

I'd look at e107.
It's a bit technical to setup, but there's a wiki and a IRC Channel, for help.
Requires, virtually no coding (unless you need to fix bugs), and offers a lot of features.
Dave

Well it all depends on the complexity of the website in question. Is it mostly just content or will you need database interactions involved? Will the site have a member base?
If it's just mostly content, any html editor (Visual Web Developer, Dreamweaver) should work. IF you are needing a more complex solution it's best to get a book and learn ASP.NET or PHP.. Cheaper then paying someone! =)

depends on what you want .. Wordpress is a great choice for blogs .. Drupal / Joomla if you are after a CMS.

Simon_WM said:
If you go to
Students4Software you can get:
Microsoft Expressions Studio 3 for £20 / 50
all ligit
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not legit if your not a student, luckily im a student so can use that but if your not a student you don't have a right to use that site, and as a matter of fact u can get expressions studio free (if your a student) from the dreamspark project.

[OT] Learning the ins and outs of java.

I'm a sophomore in high school taking computer science. (please don't judge me because of my age) Our school is making some major budget cuts, so sadly our video game programming and design class (the only other higher level programming class offered) got cut and this will be my last and only programming class at my school (well there's a possibility that it will be brought back in my senior year, but I'd at least like to stay fresh over the summer and next year). I don't know much about java to tell you the truth. I know how to use loops, conditionals, arrays (1 and 2 dimensional) and arraylists and most of the basic variable types (off of the top of my head, integers, doubles, booleans, longs, and strings). I've made some very very simple apps such as whack a mole and craps, but the gui class was provided by my teacher.
My question is this: is there a good, preferably free online program that teaches you the basics of java (especially related to the gui) and possibly some more complex programming?
I appreciate any help. thanks.
P.S. Please forgive me if this is too off-topic, but I really couldn't think of a better place to post this. Hope you guys will be able to help.

gonintendo said:
I'm a sophomore in high school taking computer science. (please don't judge me because of my age) Our school is making some major budget cuts, so sadly our video game programming and design class (the only other higher level programming class offered) got cut and this will be my last and only programming class at my school (well there's a possibility that it will be brought back in my senior year, but I'd at least like to stay fresh over the summer and next year). I don't know much about java to tell you the truth. I know how to use loops, conditionals, arrays (1 and 2 dimensional) and arraylists and most of the basic variable types (off of the top of my head, integers, doubles, booleans, longs, and strings). I've made some very very simple apps such as whack a mole and craps, but the gui class was provided by my teacher.
My question is this: is there a good, preferably free online program that teaches you the basics of java (especially related to the gui) and possibly some more complex programming?
I appreciate any help. thanks.
P.S. Please forgive me if this is too off-topic, but I really couldn't think of a better place to post this. Hope you guys will be able to help.
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Go to Youtube.....search for a guy named "thenewboston"
He has a whole series of java programming lectures that saved me in my Advanced Java course in college....

Mr. Apocalypse said:
Go to Youtube.....search for a guy named "thenewboston"
He has a whole series of java programming lectures that saved me in my Advanced Java course in college....
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Thanks! I'll make sure to check him out!

I was in the same place as you a while back. The best way to learn is by trying to make something you want.
Before jumping into any serious programming you need to learn a few more important concepts. Methods, classes, objects, and more on those. You need to understand how it all works before going further.
If you have any questions feel free to message me or hit me up on gtalk. I'll give you some tips, ideas, and some source code of apps to dig into, if you like.
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the basics:
http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
now go to some university's entry level cs website and do some of the programming assignments.
but if you know control flow, some data structures, types, etc. just program. there are a ton of simple things to write. for example, write a calculator that has an add method that just adds the two arguments, then write recursive multiplication, factorial, and exponential methods that only use add (or other methods you wrote). it's simple, but decent recursion practice. i could give you a ton of simple programs to write.
oh and pay attention to what everything actually is. read and understand what static, private, public, classes, objects, etc. actually are and their purpose.

birgertime said:
I was in the same place as you a while back. The best way to learn is by trying to make something you want.
Before jumping into any serious programming you need to learn a few more important concepts. Methods, classes, objects, and more on those. You need to understand how it all works before going further.
If you have any questions feel free to message me or hit me up on gtalk. I'll give you some tips, ideas, and some source code of apps to dig into, if you like.
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I should have added, I have a basic understanding of methods and classes, and we are just getting into objects now.
Thanks for all the responses guys! really appreciate the help.

also, if you guys have any suggestions for simple apps that a beginner like my self could make, fire away.

I applaud you for beginning a hobby/interest in programming early. Currently I'm a 2nd year student at a university for Computer Science so I have a very direct understanding of Java. You should know that structure of Java (for every day use) is different than that of the Java on Android.
Download the Android SDK: developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Follow all the steps of installation and DO the Hello, Android (World) app that it gives you. Make sure you UNDERSTAND everything on the screen and in your main class.
Continue reading all the Developer documents for the SDK here:
developer.android.com/guide/index.html

Joy2DaWurld said:
I applaud you for beginning a hobby/interest in programming early. Currently I'm a 2nd year student at a university for Computer Science so I have a very direct understanding of Java. You should know that structure of Java (for every day use) is different than that of the Java on Android.
Download the Android SDK: developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Follow all the steps of installation and DO the Hello, Android (World) app that it gives you. Make sure you UNDERSTAND everything on the screen and in your main class.
Continue reading all the Developer documents for the SDK here:
developer.android.com/guide/index.html
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Thanks! I had kind of figured that android developement would be a whole different beast.

Who is this "java" girl and why would you like to go in and out and in and out of her?

What can I say? Different strokes.

gonintendo said:
What can I say? Different strokes.
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Perhaps you would like to have a go at Missionary Java or K9 Java.

I can sell you my 'Programming with Alice and Java' textbook...if I find it. It has all the intro stuff. First it uses a program called Alice to teach you how it works, and then it teaches you to do actual code. When I find it I can tell you where it leaves off.

Developing help

Hey guys I've been flashing and rooting and unlocking for a couple years and I'd like to actually learn how to build roms, apps, ect. Where can I learn?
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I think the best place to start learning how to develop apps is the official android SDK with adt. but if building android is what you want then take any Linux distro and start reading about official aosp. information for both are publicly available from Google.

frog1982 said:
I think the best place to start learning how to develop apps is the official android SDK with adt. but if building android is what you want then take any Linux distro and start reading about official aosp. information for both are publicly available from Google.
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Linux is, like, mac or something right? I'm on Windows 7 so am I screwed?

Blackest Pain said:
Linux is, like, mac or something right? I'm on Windows 7 so am I screwed?
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Read this.
Good luck!
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/dual-boot-windows-7-ubuntu.html
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Blackest Pain said:
Linux is, like, mac or something right? I'm on Windows 7 so am I screwed?
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buy a decent sized harddrive and install ubuntu or mint linux on it. then you can dual boot win7 and linux like me. Just start tooling around with the linux command line (terminal) and learning how to think like a geek lol. Then take someones rom, and take it all apart. look at what makes up a rom... the apps, libs, frameworks, etc. Setup a build environment on your linux box, download the official source code from google, and try compiling it until you can do so without errors. at that point, if you want to start actually deving, you need to know java, cuz that's what source code is in mostly. there are alot of source code modifications avaiable on xda, try merging one in with the source code and rebuilding it and see if it compiles... if not, it''ll tell you where the error is. just play around with it, practice, ask questions, but actually jumping in and just making your self do it is the best way

Youngunn2008 said:
buy a decent sized harddrive and install ubuntu or mint linux on it. then you can dual boot win7 and linux like me. Just start tooling around with the linux command line (terminal) and learning how to think like a geek lol. Then take someones rom, and take it all apart. look at what makes up a rom... the apps, libs, frameworks, etc. Setup a build environment on your linux box, download the official source code from google, and try compiling it until you can do so without errors. at that point, if you want to start actually deving, you need to know java, cuz that's what source code is in mostly. there are alot of source code modifications avaiable on xda, try merging one in with the source code and rebuilding it and see if it compiles... if not, it''ll tell you where the error is. just play around with it, practice, ask questions, but actually jumping in and just making your self do it is the best way
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Thanks What size hard drive do you recommend and what rom should I dismantle?
(I'd thank both of you but apparently there's a thanks limit I didn't know about...)

each aosp build is about 30 gigs and Linux takes almost no room no matter which distro you use so when it comes to the size of the HDD it is all about the balance of how often you want to clean and how much you want to spend.

frog1982 said:
each aosp build is about 30 gigs and Linux takes almost no room no matter which distro you use so when it comes to the size of the HDD it is all about the balance of how often you want to clean and how much you want to spend.
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That. I'll add that, on my PC, Linux uses 20GB of space...but I also have two distros installed on the same partiton with one being a chrooted build environment.
Roms use around 20-30GB as is, another 15-20GB is used up when compiling, so you want to reserve 40-50GB PER ROM to be safe.
If you do buy a hard drive just for compiling roms, BUY A SSD...solid state drive. That and RAM will help you the most. I'd expect just a SSD alone would cut my current build times in half.
I'll tell ya that without any Linux experience at all that you're gonna be in for a nice fun time.
Now, if you just wanna write apps, LEARN JAVA. You can do app writing on Windows and test on an Android Emulator (or your phone for at matter). No Linux necessary for just writing apps.
That said, if you want to get into compiling roms, you've picked the right place because I will help you if your serious. If you ask me a SPECIFIC QUESTION I'll give a specific answer. Don't ask "How do I use git?" cause I might not reply very nicely. Ask me "How do I update the kernel with the Dev Teams latest updates and I'll give you step by step instructions. I'm about to have 3 different roms I'm gonna have to compile. So if you just wanna pick one of them that isn't PAC, feel free to be the compiler of it. So far I've had multiple offers for compilers and only @Youngunn2008 has stepped up and actually started doing it.
EDIT:
//I started building custom roms about a year into using Android. Had to. Nobody else on my device could (or would?) and I wanted more roms, simple as that. All I did was CM7, PA, and a few others, but it got me to where I am now. Kanged from Quarx's repos. I owe much of my Android knowledge just from watching his commit history (and for keeping us up-to-date with proper drivers). A good Dev Base is a good place to start from, just remember to give proper credit and thanks (and ask permission if it isn't open souce -- that's a big one).

You guys are the best. I'm gonna start looking for the equipment asap. Although I need to learn how to write code, so I'm gonna go through Java.
@skeevydude I'll definitely hit you up when I need serious help
P.s. where do you recommend I learn Java from?
Thanks everyone!
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Blackest Pain said:
You guys are the best. I'm gonna start looking for the equipment asap. Although I need to learn how to write code, so I'm gonna go through Java.
@skeevydude I'll definitely hit you up when I need serious help
P.s. where do you recommend I learn Java from?
Thanks everyone!
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http://developer.android.com/training/index.html

frog1982 said:
http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
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I'd click Thanks but I've seemed to run out of them (seriously, 8 thanks a day? Really?), so thanks. I can't read script at all (It's like looking a spanish, knowing it's spanish, and not knowing what it says) but I'll try to stumble through this lol

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I'd click Thanks but I've seemed to run out of them (seriously, 8 thanks a day? Really?), so thanks. I can't read script at all (It's like looking a spanish, knowing it's spanish, and not knowing what it says) but I'll try to stumble through this lol
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my suggestion is to download the SDK and start following the my first app tutorial. I did not understand code at all until I did that and then things started falling into place and making sense.

Blackest Pain said:
You guys are the best. I'm gonna start looking for the equipment asap. Although I need to learn how to write code, so I'm gonna go through Java.
@skeevydude I'll definitely hit you up when I need serious help
P.s. where do you recommend I learn Java from?
Thanks everyone!
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Couldn't tell ya where to learn Java from -- I don't know it. I'm starting to learn it myself...meaning today....but it really depends on the weather on what I can for the rest of the day -- lost internet for most of yesterday during a thunderstom and since another one is rolling in I might have to shut my machines down. Also why I haven't been on a whole lot the past 2 days. After today its supposed to be clear skies ahead.
I've just been lucky cause even though I don't know Java, its still pretty human readable and easy to figure out what I need to do when I merge code.
For a bit of help Java=Apps, C++=Kernel/Hardware. Not necessarily 100% true, but for the most part it is.
If you wanna get into writing apps for making money then start with Java....the only reason why I'm starting with Java over C++. As much as I'd like to learn C++\Bionic to help with bug fixes for the kernel, hardware libraries, etc, I'm flat broke and can't find a decent job -- Java and a good idea could fix that. Combine my current situation with the fact that in 10-15 years I won't even be able to do my current line of work (construction is a young man's job) so I need to buckle down and learn a new trade that doesn't involve 8-12 hours work in the sun, crap pay, sore body at the end of every day, and no real job security or benefits.
If anyone reading the above is thinking that I'm thinking I could be the next App Millionaire...I'm not. I'd be happy just to break the poverty line (1-3 thousand a month or more than 18k a year)....cost of living isn't that high in Arkansas luckily. I'd hate to live in NYC\Random Big City where a crappy 1 room apartment's rent is a high as a high-end middle class home here.

skeevydude said:
Couldn't tell ya where to learn Java from -- I don't know it. I'm starting to learn it myself...meaning today....but it really depends on the weather on what I can for the rest of the day -- lost internet for most of yesterday during a thunderstom and since another one is rolling in I might have to shut my machines down. Also why I haven't been on a whole lot the past 2 days. After today its supposed to be clear skies ahead.
I've just been lucky cause even though I don't know Java, its still pretty human readable and easy to figure out what I need to do when I merge code.
For a bit of help Java=Apps, C++=Kernel/Hardware. Not necessarily 100% true, but for the most part it is.
If you wanna get into writing apps for making money then start with Java....the only reason why I'm starting with Java over C++. As much as I'd like to learn C++\Bionic to help with bug fixes for the kernel, hardware libraries, etc, I'm flat broke and can't find a decent job -- Java and a good idea could fix that. Combine my current situation with the fact that in 10-15 years I won't even be able to do my current line of work (construction is a young man's job) so I need to buckle down and learn a new trade that doesn't involve 8-12 hours work in the sun, crap pay, sore body at the end of every day, and no real job security or benefits.
If anyone reading the above is thinking that I'm thinking I could be the next App Millionaire...I'm not. I'd be happy just to break the poverty line (1-3 thousand a month or more than 18k a year)....cost of living isn't that high in Arkansas luckily. I'd hate to live in NYC\Random Big City where a crappy 1 room apartment's rent is a high as a high-end middle class home here.
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I would also recommend Java. I'm in an internship developing an Android app for a local company and it's pretty straightforward. I'm not very good at building GUIs, but I can manage the flow of code fairly well and I'm learning as I go.
I didn't know you were in construction, Skeevy... With how skilled you seem in all of this I would have thought you'd be from some sort of tech trade.
I've been looking into ROM development myself but it seems a bit overwhelming to me. I have always been interested in how operating systems are put together and built, but the most complex thing I've ever done was patch together a Linux server box for gaming and hosting an old website I had a year or two back.
I have worked with Linux for quite a while and I now run Ubuntu as a primary, no dualboot. It kinda sucks to get used to the lack of applications but I would much rather have the stability and responsiveness of a Linux system. Plus documentation is everywhere so anything is usually fairly easy to fix/get working.
If you guys could post some websites/threads with some tutorials or further reading so I can know what I am getting myself into, that would be awesome. I have always hoped that one day I'd be able to help you guys out with getting bugs squashed and features added.

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I would also recommend Java. I'm in an internship developing an Android app for a local company and it's pretty straightforward. I'm not very good at building GUIs, but I can manage the flow of code fairly well and I'm learning as I go.
I didn't know you were in construction, Skeevy... With how skilled you seem in all of this I would have thought you'd be from some sort of tech trade.
I've been looking into ROM development myself but it seems a bit overwhelming to me. I have always been interested in how operating systems are put together and built, but the most complex thing I've ever done was patch together a Linux server box for gaming and hosting an old website I had a year or two back.
I have worked with Linux for quite a while and I now run Ubuntu as a primary, no dualboot. It kinda sucks to get used to the lack of applications but I would much rather have the stability and responsiveness of a Linux system. Plus documentation is everywhere so anything is usually fairly easy to fix/get working.
If you guys could post some websites/threads with some tutorials or further reading so I can know what I am getting myself into, that would be awesome. I have always hoped that one day I'd be able to help you guys out with getting bugs squashed and features added.
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GUI's are a pita to me as well...but then again, I'm barley mediocre at photoshop
I used to make good money doing what I do, and I liked doing it. I was doing custom wrought iron fences and gates -- the kind you see on high end lake houses and such. Since around September of '08 that line of work went from 30-50 hours a week to nothing....NOTHING. We've had maybe 6 jobs in the past 5 years nothing. Every job I've had since then has either gone under or I was let go because I was the new guy and they had too much costs in labor. Combine that with 2 years of 10 applications a week and not getting a single call back....almost applied and McD's a year ago. Asked how much I'd make and the manager said maybe 4 hours in a 7 day week for the first 6 months to a year....F THAT. Wouldn't have even covered the gas to work...no point in a job that you'd make -$15 for two weeks work....that's negative 15.
As far as my trade and tech are concerned -- I've always been naturally skilled at almost everything I've done. Not bragging, but that's always how things have been for me. My biggest weakness is I have crap social skills -- I have a bad tendency to see everything with pure logic and over analyze things, completely missing things like sarcasm and subtle hints. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out I had Asperger's.
Rom development and rom building (kanging) are two different things entirely. If you're already running Ubuntu (preferably 12.04) I could have you building a rom in no time at all.
Its nothing more following the official build setup guide (assloads of copy/paste )
making a directory for the rom
open a terminal to that directory
"repo init -u https://github.com/PAC-man/android.xml -b cm-10.1"
"repo sync"
". build-pac.sh mb886 -jX" where X is the number of cores your PC has
Do something else for a few hours
Check PC -- if the rom fully compiled then you've just kanged PAC-man
To update, go to rom's directory, "make clean", step 5, step 6.
Adding support for other roms is as simple as seeing what other devs\kangers did in the project's vendor directory as well as in the device/common-device directories. It really is simple once you've done it a few times -- first time or two can be a real b*tch.
My only real gripe with linux is some of the apps either just don't seem finished or are just good enough to do the job but look like crap. For me, other than gaming, I've been able to find a suitable replacement for all my common, everyday needs from emulation to video encoding to word processing.
As far as tutorials go....I just use Google, XDA search, and rootzwiki.com search...between the three I can pretty much find anything I need to know. Power searching is the unwritten requirement in all the tutorials I've ever read. Being able to scour the net for odd bits of information is a necessary skill to kang or dev roms.
//Lack of search skills is a reason some of us power users get upset and pissy around here...myself anyways...I can't tell ya how many help questions I've answered where I LITERALLY copy/pasted the error code in the help post to the google search box in Firefox and the FIRST LINK the fix....also why I don't answer the same question more than 2 or 3 times....search just our forums and you might find the answer. :whodathunkit: (// isn't at you, my mind likes to rant in the mornings )

skeevydude said:
Couldn't tell ya where to learn Java from -- I don't know it. I'm starting to learn it myself...meaning today....but it really depends on the weather on what I can for the rest of the day -- lost internet for most of yesterday during a thunderstom and since another one is rolling in I might have to shut my machines down. Also why I haven't been on a whole lot the past 2 days. After today its supposed to be clear skies ahead.
I've just been lucky cause even though I don't know Java, its still pretty human readable and easy to figure out what I need to do when I merge code.
For a bit of help Java=Apps, C++=Kernel/Hardware. Not necessarily 100% true, but for the most part it is.
If you wanna get into writing apps for making money then start with Java....the only reason why I'm starting with Java over C++. As much as I'd like to learn C++\Bionic to help with bug fixes for the kernel, hardware libraries, etc, I'm flat broke and can't find a decent job -- Java and a good idea could fix that. Combine my current situation with the fact that in 10-15 years I won't even be able to do my current line of work (construction is a young man's job) so I need to buckle down and learn a new trade that doesn't involve 8-12 hours work in the sun, crap pay, sore body at the end of every day, and no real job security or benefits.
If anyone reading the above is thinking that I'm thinking I could be the next App Millionaire...I'm not. I'd be happy just to break the poverty line (1-3 thousand a month or more than 18k a year)....cost of living isn't that high in Arkansas luckily. I'd hate to live in NYC\Random Big City where a crappy 1 room apartment's rent is a high as a high-end middle class home here.
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spy_1134 said:
If you guys could post some websites/threads with some tutorials or further reading so I can know what I am getting myself into, that would be awesome. I have always hoped that one day I'd be able to help you guys out with getting bugs squashed and features added.
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I'm in high school but I REALLY don't want to work at a fast food place, so this like a good way to earn so change. Once I get out, this will (hopefully) become more of a hobby for the next 25 yrs as I'm training to become an Electrician. Then when I'm done and in the early retirement that seems to come with many people in that field I'll hop back onto this. I also second that idea with the idea of website tutorials lol.

Blackest Pain said:
I'm in high school but I REALLY don't want to work at a fast food place, so this like a good way to earn so change. Once I get out, this will (hopefully) become more of a hobby for the next 25 yrs as I'm training to become an Electrician. Then when I'm done and in the early retirement that seems to come with many people in that field I'll hop back onto this. I also second that idea with the idea of website tutorials lol.
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Electrician is a good trade to get into. I wouldn't mind being an electrician actually. Especially since I know enough contracters, house flippers, and landlords that are always needing electrical done and hate paying the electrician (they can pretty much write their own check cause you GOTTA have that LICENSE to touch ANY wire)....why I always built my gates to run on a 12V solar setup (more reliable and I don't need a license to mount a panel and hook it up to a car battery; not to mention a grand cheaper).
Look, I'd post some links, but the best links are banned from a site like this where ethics matter. I'm broke so I can't afford the ebooks if ya know what I mean...hint, hint...find good looking book with positive reviews, google search "name of book .epub", ????, profit.
//see my above post for a quick glance at what McD's offered me....TL : DR version....negative 15 a week cause I factored in a thing called gas money.