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Former Nokia N95 owners

I have had a 8125, 8525 and currently a 8925. I am disappointed with the camera of this phone, battery life and some other things. I was looking at changing phones and the one I am looking at is the N95. I have been using a T9 software dial pad to see if I can take the text input, I have no issue. I checked and all the apps I used are available for the symbian OS for the most part. My question is what did you guys not like about the phone to make you switch to the Kaiser. Was the phone slow etc? If this thread is waste of time for you please disregard.
Thanks in advance
-McMex

The phone is not slow at all. I just recently swithed back to Windows Mobile tonight, Symbian is great, but I'm not bias, both OS have the same software and apps, and technical similarities. I switched back to Windows to see what they have to offer for WM6. I swithed to Symbian when the first WM6 os we leaked, and kept moving up until I got the N95 8GB.
Windows firmware is more leniant in terms of modding however ;D
And a hardware keypasd is a must for me.

mcmexican said:
I have had a 8125, 8525 and currently a 8925. I am disappointed with the camera of this phone, battery life and some other things. I was looking at changing phones and the one I am looking at is the N95. I have been using a T9 software dial pad to see if I can take the text input, I have no issue. I checked and all the apps I used are available for the symbian OS for the most part. My question is what did you guys not like about the phone to make you switch to the Kaiser. Was the phone slow etc? If this thread is waste of time for you please disregard.
Thanks in advance
-McMex
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Currently (with the crappy video driver of the Kaiser - and also taken into account the camera "quality", the size, weight etc. into account), IMHO, the N95 is better than the Kaiser UNLESS you need a specific Windows Mobile app not available on Symbian OR you definitely need the touch screen (to, for example, make remote desktop control or something similar - that is, mouse / stylus-dependent - much easier).
You might also want to follow my articles - in my latest Bibles, I publish extensive comparisons between the two operating systems.

we3zy said:
And a hardware keypasd is a must for me.
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1, welcome to xda-devs
2, use the ThinkOutside SA keyboard. It's working just great with my N95. And, the cumulative (!) weight of the two dvices are still under that of the Kaiser (not to mention it's a full keyboard, not a slow-to-operate thumbboard.)

Thank you all for the feedback I am really let down by the Kaiser. I don't even use the hardware keyboard I have been using the cootek soft keyboard. Guess it makes my decision pretty easy then. I need to look into the ThinkOutside SA keyboard.
Thanks again
-McMex

I will only consider buying a Nokia again when they decide to add a touchscreen. That's what made me sell mine. For me a phone without a touchscreen is like a computer without a mouse. It wasn't a N95 though, it was a S60 1st Edition phone.

Smaniac said:
I will only consider buying a Nokia again when they decide to add a touchscreen. That's what made me sell mine. For me a phone without a touchscreen is like a computer without a mouse. It wasn't a N95 though, it was a S60 1st Edition phone.
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Well, I have tons of Windows Mobile Pocket PC's, Smartphones and non-WinMo devices. In most cases (except in some games and tasks like remote desktop control, drawing on screen instead of using a keyboard for input etc.), I find the lack of touchscreen a minor problem on both my MS Smartphones and the N95 - it doesn't reduce my efficiency in most cases (for example, reading/ answering mail, Web browsing, watching video, listening to audio, playing games etc.). It even helps a lot because it lets for one-handed usage.
Of course, if one uses his/her phone for remote desktop control (and similar stuff), he/she should go for a phone with a touchscreen.

Not to mention that the N95 misses out on the TyTn's high 'coolness' factor.
Next to that, i think developers in general are more interested in making software for a Windows Mobile device than a device running on Symbian.
If you really want a phone that can outmatch the TyTn in probably every way (except for the IMHO lame Symbian OS) you'll have to wait a few more weeks and buy a Nokia N82.
Sweet phone, check out it's stats here

Menneisyys said:
Well, I have tons of Windows Mobile Pocket PC's, Smartphones and non-WinMo devices. In most cases (except in some games and tasks like remote desktop control, drawing on screen instead of using a keyboard for input etc.), I find the lack of touchscreen a minor problem on both my MS Smartphones and the N95 - it doesn't reduce my efficiency in most cases (for example, reading/ answering mail, Web browsing, watching video, listening to audio, playing games etc.). It even helps a lot because it lets for one-handed usage.
Of course, if one uses his/her phone for remote desktop control (and similar stuff), he/she should go for a phone with a touchscreen.
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For me everything is much easier with touchscreen. Browsing, home screen (my Nokia had only 2 home screen shortcuts, one for each soft key), using a full on-screen keyboard instead of the sometimes extremely annoying T9, etc. But that's just my opinion.
troyk said:
Not to mention that the N95 misses out on the TyTn's high 'coolness' factor.
Next to that, i think developers in general are more interested in making software for a Windows Mobile device than a device running on Symbian.
If you really want a phone that can outmatch the TyTn in probably every way (except for the IMHO lame Symbian OS) you'll have to wait a few more weeks and buy a Nokia N82.
Sweet phone, check out it's stats here
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Is the N82 better than the N95? I thought N95 was still the best one, because it is 13 model numbers higher! (just kidding lol, but I did think a lower number meant a lower model).
One thing I'm really concerned on the Kaiser is the screen, that IMO is way too big for QVGA. Mine is 2.4" and I can already see the pixels. Kaiser could be a lot smaller if it also had a 2.4" screen.
And speaking of that, how about the colors? N95 has a 16m color screen, my phone has a 262k, but Kaiser is only 65k. Doesn't that make a big difference on movies and stuff?

Crappy video driver for Tytn II ...
Menneisyys said:
Currently (with the crappy video driver of the Kaiser - and also taken into account the camera "quality", the size, weight etc. into account), IMHO, the N95 is better than the Kaiser UNLESS you need a specific Windows Mobile app not available on Symbian OR you definitely need the touch screen (to, for example, make remote desktop control or something similar - that is, mouse / stylus-dependent - much easier).
You might also want to follow my articles - in my latest Bibles, I publish extensive comparisons between the two operating systems.
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Any news about HTC on this driver ? Hardware clearly indicate much more possible performance ... any chance to get our device and OS delivering their power ....

adebilloez said:
Any news about HTC on this driver ? Hardware clearly indicate much more possible performance ... any chance to get our device and OS delivering their power ....
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Not much... see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351986

I wanted to thank all of you it did help me make my decision I should have my N95 here tomorrow. I dont think anyone here is going to care if I like it better than my Kaiser or not. I will keep my Kaiser just in case I do not. Again thank you guys for all the information and opinions.
-McMex

mcmexican said:
Thank you all for the feedback I am really let down by the Kaiser. I don't even use the hardware keyboard I have been using the cootek soft keyboard. Guess it makes my decision pretty easy then. I need to look into the ThinkOutside SA keyboard.
Thanks again
-McMex
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So, your last 3 PPC's have been slideouts - yet you don't use it? Why don't you just get an iphone? Just kidding...really.
I don't use it much as well but do if the the text is long enough it gets its moneys worth. I'm been let down somewhat but at the sametime
things like internal GPS keep me stable - and the ROM Cooking community as well does of good job of filling in areas I feel are lacking...like
performance. Although, AKU 0.4.4 and 1.27.14.09 isn't all that bad. Most every phone I have been through on any platform has disappointed me.

You might consider the Sony Ericsson P1a.
It's beautiful and they have certainly fixed the flaws the they introduced in the P990. No support for US 3G Bandwidths, though.

When I bought my Kaiser I figured I'd switch between it and my N95 depending on what I'm doing... the speakerphone on the N95 is better than the one in my business-class phone on my desk for example.
Anyways, my thoughts were I'd use the N95 when not working, or when I needed to be on con-calls all day, and use the Kaiser when I needed something more communication oriented (read email and whatever else would make the character recognition/qwerty keyboard an advantage).
Well, fast-forward to today - my N95 pretty much only leaves the house if I'm going to be using the camera on it. The T9 on it is the second best I've ever used, so typing on it isn't too bad, the multimedia features are second to none, and its a nice, light phone, unlike the brick that is the Kaiser.
I guess if you're going to do a side by side of the features as I see them, it would go something like this;
GPS: Kaiser comes out ahead... getting a lock is easier/faster, plus you could always hook up an external antenna (not that I ever would).
Video: N95 hands down better since hardware acceleration in the Kaiser isn't being used appropriately at this time.
Audio: About equal.
Phone: N95 comes out ahead due to the superior speakerphone.
Apps: Both are equally useable from a smartphone point of view... Symbian has a huge community, WM has a huge community.
Camera: N95 hands down. Takes some of the best Macro shots I've seen.
Portability: N95 is smaller and much much lighter.
Build quality: There's some question about the slider mechanism in the N95 - some of them feel 'loose' but its easily fixed. I've never felt like I was going to break it. Kaiser feels more solid, but that's probably due to the extra weight.
Battery life: N95 battery sucks, hands down. New firmware is supposed to make a big difference though, and I haven't had a chance to update it yet.
I can't comment on the transfer speeds the N95 is capable of as I have a first gen N95 and live in the US, so the 3G radio is incompatible, but I will say the browser in the N95 is very good.

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Audio: About equal.
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Let me disagree. Audio playback-wise, the N95 is way better, for several reasons:
- stereo (!!!), very loud and good speakers with built-in (supported by Music Player) stereo widening. There simply isn't anything comparable in HTC's repertoaire. The only stereo HTC models, the Universal and Wizard, are way worse, both maximal volume- and frequency response-wise (I've done several A-B tests for my forthcoming Multimedia Bible between these three devices to see which is the best for music playback. The N95 won hands donw in every respect.). That is, if you often listen to music thru the speakers, there simply isn't anything better than the N95.
- A2DP quality. Doesn't really need to be further explained Of course, the A2DP quality of the Tilt is passable, but in no way as good as that of non-Microsoft-based devices (Nokias; Samsung's dumb phones etc). That is, if you plan to listen to music via A2DP and you know you're an audiophile, go for the N95 (or anything non-Microsoft; or, if you go for a MS device, get one that you can "hack" the Widcomm BT stack to)
rlpaul said:
Battery life: N95 battery sucks, hands down. New firmware is supposed to make a big difference though, and I haven't had a chance to update it yet.
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Yes, that indeed was a big problem with the old firmware. However, you MUST upgrade to the new one. You'll be pleasantly surprised. The N95 with the old firmware is pretty much useless if you compare it to the capabilities, battery life etc. of the new firmware. It's like the difference between Windows and MS-DOS. Or, Pocket PC 2000 and WM5. The entire device is MUCH, incomparably better.

rlpaul said:
I can't comment on the transfer speeds the N95 is capable of as I have a first gen N95 and live in the US, so the 3G radio is incompatible, but I will say the browser in the N95 is very good.
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In the US, you get EDGE only - unless you get the N95-3 or the N95 8G-3, which is stated to reach the States soon. This means no for example video calls and (depending on your wireless operator, somewhat) reduced transfer speeds.

rlpaul said:
GPS: Kaiser comes out ahead... getting a lock is easier/faster, plus you could always hook up an external antenna (not that I ever would).
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Did you open the dialpad to get a more reliable lock as is also recommended in the manual? Do you have firmware version v11 or v12? If the latter, did you enable assisted GPS? With the latter, particularly with v20, I get a lock in 10-20-30 seconds most of the time (depending on the weather conditions). Without it, it's indeed painfully slow.

Menneisyys said:
In the US, you get EDGE only - unless you get the N95-3 or the N95 8G-3, which is stated to reach the States soon. This means no for example video calls and (depending on your wireless operator, somewhat) reduced transfer speeds.
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Yeah I bought the N95 -3 North American Version and it just got to my house. How do I know if I got the old firmware or the new firmware? I guess I should start looking for symbian forums.
Thanks you all again.
-McMex

mcmexican said:
Yeah I bought the N95 -3 North American Version and it just got to my house. How do I know if I got the old firmware or the new firmware? I guess I should start looking for symbian forums.
Thanks you all again.
-McMex
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The N95-3 already has the a firmware - it's the N95-1 (the non-American version) that used to have a much worse one.

HTC Kaiser vs HTC Diamond

How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???

SuperMiguel said:
How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???
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Isn't the Kaiser more of a do-it-all and the Touch Diamond more of a show piece?

Silly comparison. They're both slow if you look the GLBenchmarks compared to most Nokias, iPhones, and SonyEricssons.
HTC+Qualcomm == dredging the bottom of the barrel.

NuShrike said:
Silly comparison. They're both slow if you look the GLBenchmarks compared to most Nokias, iPhones, and SonyEricssons.
HTC+Qualcomm == dredging the bottom of the barrel.
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GLbenchmarks mean nothing if you use your phone for a true multidevice. Lets see Iphone let me use it as a cellular modem, give me full customization of its OS, VNC/SSH into my servers, remotely administer my clients networks via VPN access, ...... this list can go on forever. Bottom of the barrel you say???? Hrmmmmmm.
As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
Lets keep on topic.
Kaiser = Power User phone. Diamond is a beautiful stand in with a bit less functionality.

pyraxiate said:
As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
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Dual Core sounds nice BUT, all phones have 2 chips, 1 to wake the other, and in Kaiser 1 is used solely to process call information, and if you look at the actual UI speed... not what I call Fast. Doesn't matter how many processors power Kaiser, it's slow as it stands now.

Cool Comparison:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/compare_advresults.php?phones[]=2268&phones[]=2876

pyraxiate said:
GLbenchmarks mean nothing if you use your phone for a true multidevice. Lets see Iphone let me use it as a cellular modem, give me full customization of its OS, VNC/SSH into my servers, remotely administer my clients networks via VPN access, ...... this list can go on forever. Bottom of the barrel you say???? Hrmmmmmm.
As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
Lets keep on topic.
Kaiser = Power User phone. Diamond is a beautiful stand in with a bit less functionality.
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Hi:
Why do you say it has less functionality? I'm not contradicting you, I am really asking, because I thought the Diamond would have the same capabilities as the Kaiser. After hearing the rumors that AT&T will get the Touch Pro, I was so excited to get one, but now I'm worried it may not be as functional as the Tilt.
Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!

SuperMiguel said:
How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???
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Not trying to be mean, but I think it's a silly comparison...
A more logical comparison would be Kaiser vs Touch Pro...

cincy1020 said:
Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!
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it does with several games /emus but very few (if any) apps

cincy1020 said:
Hi:
Why do you say it has less functionality? I'm not contradicting you, I am really asking, because I thought the Diamond would have the same capabilities as the Kaiser. After hearing the rumors that AT&T will get the Touch Pro, I was so excited to get one, but now I'm worried it may not be as functional as the Tilt.
Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!
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flash memory / expandability (card slot)? QWERTY? in these, the Kaiser is way better

I suppose it's pretty individual issue. Diamond has faster CPU, VGA screen, sexy interface with 4Gb internal memory without expansion slot, so as a result this is rather alternative to iPhone with limited advantage of using loads of free or hacked WM software limited by those 4Gb only.
Keiser is solid QWERTY-featured 100% WM device with all its outcome. For instance I had been using HTC Blue Angel (wich is actually direct ancestor of Keiser) for 4 years and done to it almost everything except direct sexual intercourse.
The choice of XDA veteran.

rudeboye said:
Cool Comparison:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/compare_advresults.php?phones[]=2268&phones[]=2876
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I don't get this comparison, the battery capacity decreased, yet the talk time has increased for diamond...

tak.japan said:
I don't get this comparison, the battery capacity decreased, yet the talk time has increased for diamond...
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Does the Diamond have Drivers? Maybe its because the CPU isnt getting its ass beat by drawing the screen all day long.
Could be another benefit to getting working drivers on the kaiser.
just a thought.

Toshiba G810 better even they are using MSM7200 400Mhz which is same as TYTN 2.
Look at the video , the drawing speed is much much smoother and faster than our TYTN2 .... HTC , you really need to DO SOMETHING.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAyJ7_f3rS0&feature=related
Is anyone trying to port the driver from G810 to tytn2 ?

belon_cfy said:
Is anyone trying to port the driver from G810 to tytn2 ?
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Anybody got a rom dump of the 810 then?

g810
Once I get a g810 I will rom dump both to cook my own and will pass it around for the drivers, if this is still needed... let me know.

fhteagle said:
Once I get a g810 I will rom dump both to cook my own and will pass it around for the drivers, if this is still needed... let me know.
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Any news on you g810? Would be great if you can dump the rom.

*** Bye Bye my little Diamond - Hello E71 ***

Ok, ... here we go...
After several years wasting my time trying to modify, tuneup, accellerate, reorganize, customize and personalize my windows mobile devices (Xda Neo, Xda Orbit, Xda Terra) it is time to say goodbye to my one month old Xda Diamond...
It doesnt seem that microsoft will ever accept that their windows mobile is, ... just a windows 1.0 with better optics. no todayscreen replacement, tf3d, tf2d, spb ms, winterface, tochcommander has made things easier, just harder, slower and even more useless.
I thought, wow, as i heard about the new HTC Touch Diamond, waited 1 month for delivery and there it was, my Diamond, wonderful tf3d, opera, gsensor,...
Slow keyboard, Windows Mobile 6.1 (no OS), slow TF3d, slow Email, hard to use interface, and last but not least a (WOW) 900mAh battery, ... that enables me to use my Diamond ONE day! WOW again, and thank you HTC.
A main desire of human being is to cutomize, to PERSONALIZE their phone, to make it YOUR phone! When you look at a diamond you'll see the light breaking into many colors , ... when you look at your diamond you'll see BLACK and WHITE. Customizable STARTSCREEN, wooooooooho with a colorful background wallpaper, thats all.
I was expecting a wonderful , powerful multimedia mobile phone, great gaming capabilities like the iphone or something, ... but, whats there? WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER MOBILE, and OPERA, thats all... a slow camera, a slow HTC Album, a useless Streaming Media Client, MOSTLY unsupported games for NATIVE VGA resolution...
Good bye Diamond,
Good bye HTC,
Good bye Microsoft Windows Mobile 5,6,6.1,
Good bye TF3D,
Good bye NO great games,
Good bye XDA Developers Forum << you should be proud of yourselves, because it is YOU who are trying to improve these devices, ... and god damn, ... its hard work!
Thanks for all your tipps and tricks and Diamond Project 3.2 and Bepe 0.99d!
**************** AND HELLO NOKIA E71 ****************

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I have to wonder why you even considered a diamond tbh..

you should get an iPhone

Nokia 1911 >>>> all

Surely you cant customise an E71 as much as a WM Device anyway?
I had an E71 for a while for work......My only comment on the device is "thank god i have a HTC Device!"

Are there people who hate the tf3d interface who don't realise that you can turn it off and then customise the homescreen on the device more than pretty much any other OS ?

thanks for your replies, ... dont forget please, i'm just sharing my thoughts in non-perfect english. I dont except that everyone thinks what i think.
and hey, its a gameboy too, whith hardware buttons and a dpad but has perfect professional business solutions that i need.

Rotkaeqpchen said:
.....A main desire of human being is to cutomize, to PERSONALIZE their phone, to make it YOUR phone! When you look at a diamond you'll see the light breaking into many colors , ... when you look at your diamond you'll see BLACK and WHITE. Customizable STARTSCREEN, wooooooooho with a colorful background wallpaper, thats all.
...
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Really?? You mean my phone shipped with a Hellboy theme that changes all the icons, puts really cool flames all over the clock, superimposes flames over my contacts pictures.... that came with my phone? I really don't think you've looked into this properly.
That said, these phones are for people who are prepared to invest time and effort into them to reap the rewards. It sounds like you have had enough of doing this, which is fine - i'm sure we will all give up one day

Monty Burns said:
It sounds like you have had enough of doing this, which is fine - i'm sure we will all give up one day
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You're absolutely right

goodbye
hope you enjoy your E71...

danielch said:
you should get an iPhone
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I dont like the iphone,i like hardware quertz / querty keyboards
ryousuke said:
goodbye
hope you enjoy your E71...
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thanks im curious too.

rotkapqchen
nokia is living of people wich are thinking like redhat. but they will be lost in futur

Rotkaeqpchen said:
Ok, ... here we go...
After several years wasting my time trying to modify, tuneup, accellerate, reorganize, customize and personalize my windows mobile devices (Xda Neo, Xda Orbit, Xda Terra) it is time to say goodbye to my one month old Xda Diamond...
It doesnt seem that microsoft will ever accept that their windows mobile is, ... just a windows 1.0 with better optics. no todayscreen replacement, tf3d, tf2d, spb ms, winterface, tochcommander has made things easier, just harder, slower and even more useless.
I thought, wow, as i heard about the new HTC Touch Diamond, waited 1 month for delivery and there it was, my Diamond, wonderful tf3d, opera, gsensor,...
Slow keyboard, Windows Mobile 6.1 (no OS), slow TF3d, slow Email, hard to use interface, and last but not least a (WOW) 900mAh battery, ... that enables me to use my Diamond ONE day! WOW again, and thank you HTC.
A main desire of human being is to cutomize, to PERSONALIZE their phone, to make it YOUR phone! When you look at a diamond you'll see the light breaking into many colors , ... when you look at your diamond you'll see BLACK and WHITE. Customizable STARTSCREEN, wooooooooho with a colorful background wallpaper, thats all.
I was expecting a wonderful , powerful multimedia mobile phone, great gaming capabilities like the iphone or something, ... but, whats there? WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER MOBILE, and OPERA, thats all... a slow camera, a slow HTC Album, a useless Streaming Media Client, MOSTLY unsupported games for NATIVE VGA resolution...
Good bye Diamond,
Good bye HTC,
Good bye Microsoft Windows Mobile 5,6,6.1,
Good bye TF3D,
Good bye NO great games,
Good bye XDA Developers Forum << you should be proud of yourselves, because it is YOU who are trying to improve these devices, ... and god damn, ... its hard work!
Thanks for all your tipps and tricks and Diamond Project 3.2 and Bepe 0.99d!
**************** AND HELLO NOKIA E71 ****************
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Believe me you wont be missed. Have fun with your mmm... super customizable mmm Nokia???

Rotkaeqpchen said:
I dont like the iphone,i like hardware quertz / querty keyboards.
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i dont know why you get diamond if you like qwerty keyboards in the first place ???
my messegae in the upcming weeks would be: ***bye bye my little Diamond - Hello Touch HD***

well well. Nokia is great for phone. HTC = phone = ****. HTC for customize. I like it. Some kind of killing my time to upgrade, check website, upgrade and upgrade until the time I said. I have a life now. Than I'm going to say goodbye HTC.
Again
HTC = phone = **** ( sorry to say that )
HTC = killing my boring time = yes

Hey, It's the same thing I said when I ditched my ROKR E2 and bought an a1200, but then again... I found motorlafans, and couldn't help it... it's too good to be left alone.
Then it came to me that I REALLY needed some good phone for office business (which the A1200 performed well, but lacked wifi and 3G... and syncing was a hassle). When the iPhone came out, I said «nice, pretty... but it doesn't fit my philosophy...» which is customization... not only for themes and etc. but for speed, performance and suiting needs.
I saw the first iPhone killers and said, no way. But then the Diamond appeared: small, nice, useful... then I started researching the Touch (the first one) and discovered this site...
Seeing all the possibilities, I said: What the hell! Let's roll with HTC, the mother and father of 80% of OEM handsets that took a leap and started selling their own stuff, and with great design and TRUE innovation.
BUT, the Touch wouldn't be up to the cut: too much third party apps to make it run like I THOUGHT it should...
XPERIA made its teaser trailers, and I went numb... but it was a promise of long delays, Sony branding and a lot of zeroes on the pricetag.
The Diamond turned into a bliss... beyond all the iPhone wannabes, beyond usability paradigms, I remember thinking «WOW, that's a smart way of arranging a Home Screen, without clutter, with access to all the basics upfront, just like a superphone with a Clark Kent/Superman switch... (in reference to the TouchFlo3D taking all the basics to a new level and letting the powerhorse to sit in the back and enjoy the ride)».
Whence I've got it, I found that the TF3D needed some tweaking. I thought what I always think in such ocations: THIS CAN BE BETTER, SO WHY CAN'T HTC RELEASE IT ALREADY TWEAKED???
But then again, I'm now swapping for a US version, and the rollercoaster will start again... I'm positive that the same tweaked roms can be used with the same efficiency...
Time will tell. . .

boolean22 said:
Whence I've got it, I found that the TF3D needed some tweaking. I thought what I always think in such ocations: THIS CAN BE BETTER, SO WHY CAN'T HTC RELEASE IT ALREADY TWEAKED???
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now i have to agree on this one, HTC should tweaked some of windows registry before releasing it. for example, didnt they try the device when you try to reply an sms??? you could barely read your own message with that ONE line reply window
average consumer dont know what to do with this kind of problem, all they have in their mind is ''What the hell is this???''
heck we even need an unknown 3rd party app to adjust this small problem.
HTC please TEST your device before releasing it

It might be just mine, cause I use the fonts just one point above the minimum... but mine's got 2 lines... it's easier and the high res screen does a great job rendering minuscule fonts...

unwired4 said:
Are there people who hate the tf3d interface who don't realise that you can turn it off and then customise the homescreen on the device more than pretty much any other OS ?
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I guess so.. All the tf3d is a today plugin with some bells and whistles.
This device is really nice and fast when you diable that.

Rotkaeqpchen said:
Good bye NO great games,
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and how does the e71 help there? I believe the e71 is even less customizable and has even less games available for it.

HTC TOUCH HD : Se Xperia X1 and Iphone 3g Dominator!!

i dunno if people have posted threads about this phone but all i have to say is ive found the answer to all my prayers...personally i think the touch pro needed a biggger screen...i love my tilt but uupgrading to the touch pro will be little different other then size/width,ram/space and VGA display. Which in turn are all very great upgrades, but looking at the iphone, the touch pro neeeds a biggger screen but o well. And I'm not saying that im not going to get the touchpro because i am..just because i still consider it to be a better phone then the iphone for functionality and much more......but tonight ive found the equivelent to the best phone, possibley on the planet...HTC is coming out with
THE HTC TOUCH HD
CNET.COM Asia site has most of the specs but the realy important **** that caught my eye....
3.8" screen 480x800 display with a WVGA screeen resolution
5.0 mega pixel camera
512 megs of onboard rom 256 ram
Qualcomm 7500 processor with close to 600mhz chip
supposed FM radio
weighs 5 ounces!
TouchFlo 3D not 2D
and last but not least...a G-sensor which is like iphone accelerometer which when u flip the phone sideways it turns the frame and rotates the phone screen image.
i mean this is freakin bananas for those who have never seen this phone plz enjoy because thiis thing is goig to dominate and reintroduce HTC again as the major player in th phone market..after the little driver issues with the tilt.
here are more pictures on this site i been on all night comparing the iphone 3G, touch and touch pro with the touch HD
http://dailymobile.se/2008/09/19/pictures-iphone-vs-htc-touch-hd/t
http://dailymobile.se/2008/09/16/htc-touch-hd-specifications/
both these sites show coparison and close up pictures ive attached images with the touch hd and iphone comparison
(look how bright and much clearer the touch hd WVGA screen is to the iphones screen)
this is ridiculous..after i play with the touch pro for a couple months this winter..its going to follow my tilt onto craigslist and be sold, so when this TOUCH HD phone drops for tmobile or ATT in 2009, ill have it and ill be rdy to pay $600 and up for it if i have too because i dont think im gonna buy another phone after the touch hd for atleast 5yrs. gauranteed!
enjoy!

dunno if people have posted threads about this phone(...)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429499
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2646905
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2653733
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426482
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2665750
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425031
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425782
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2624240
and much more over there.
Enough?

yea dood i been gone from xda for like a month...as soon as i saw this thing i had to post just cuz im so freakin amazed ad jumpy. I havent been so siced over a phone since the tilt...the touch pro doesnt have me that thrillled right now but this touch hd is off the hook...if anybody knows the release date or hears anything plz post...mid october is beautiful...worse comes too worse ill freakin buy this phone online if it drops in london or something.​

Sick phone, but will it have the video-output feature?
I noticed this on HTC's site a week or so ago, and it will totally dominate the iPhone. I'm upgrading from my Tilt to the Fuze (Touch Pro) when it's released at ATT on Oct 23rd...I'm really looking forward to the video out feature. If this Touch HD has that it WILL be the perfect phone!
Just have to say...got my wife an iPhone 3G the other day. Pretty slick interface, everything is fast and very smooth. Video playback puts every WinMo phone I've ever used to shame. No chopping, no freezes...just like watching a movie on my HD Plasma screen at home.
However I miss the ability to customize it like you can with WinMo phones. And not to mention the complicated process of putting music on the iPhone from iTunes. Good gosh they overcomplicated that process. Much easier with windows to simply drag and drop files/folders from your desktop into Activesync. A cool phone nonetheless...will have to get used to an on-screen keyboard with the Touch HD as my last 3 devices have had slideouts.

May I ask what do those have to do w/ Kaiser?

moegdaog said:
I havent been so siced over a phone since the tilt...the touch pro doesnt have me that thrillled right now but this touch hd is off the hook...
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Erm... the Touch HD is technically identical to the Touch Pro, just with a bigger screen and no keyboard. That's it. It brings nothing else new to the table, it runs the same TouchFlo 3D as the Pro and the Diamond, along with the same processor, memory, GPS, accelerometer, on the same old WinMo 6.1... apart from the screen, the experience of using this device will be nigh on identical to the Touch Diamond or Pro. So unless I'm missing something, it's really not that big a deal.
Will it "dominate" the Iphone? Of course not. It will divert a few sales amongst those looking for the highest res screen, but those who like the Iphone way of working will still choose the Iphone (in their millions) and those who prefer Windows Mobile will simply have one more option to choose from. Bigger screen (Touch HD) or proper keyboard (Touch Pro) - the choice is yours.

I hope they do a similar device to the touch HD but with a keyboard... love the idea of a WVGA screen on my next device, web browsing will be great compared to QVGA on kaiser!
I wonder if the processor is powerful enough to deliver a smooth experience at that WCGA with touch flow 3d?

I think I am in heaven!!! WOW and WOW again!!!
I will have to wait another year or so until my contract comes up for renewal.
Is Android a stand alone OS? or is it merely a GUI for Windows Mobile? Will I be able to use any of my WM apps/games? Please tell me I can.

it's called xda porn

MACkjam said:
I think I am in heaven!!! WOW and WOW again!!!
I will have to wait another year or so until my contract comes up for renewal.
Is Android a stand alone OS? or is it merely a GUI for Windows Mobile? Will I be able to use any of my WM apps/games? Please tell me I can.
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A year? Why even post! There'll be far better phones out in a year's time.
Android is an entirely different OS with no compatibilty with WM or WM apps at all, other than the fact that the first Android phone (the G1) happens to be made by HTC and shares a similar Qualcom-powered hardware platform. Thanks to this, ports of Android to various existing WM phones are already underway - but installing an Android ROM means losing WM and your current apps (it also doesn't work very well yet, as far as I know).
Why are we talking about Android anyway? As said before, the Touch HD (subject of this thread) is Just-Another-Windows-Phone running all the same software as the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond, just in a slightly different form factor.

i mean ya it will be similar to the touch pro in fuctionality ...but being able to do the same things with almost double the screeen size is amazing homie. imagine watching youtube and avi dvd rips on this 3.8" screeen? not to mention web browsing on opera and w/e else comes out. WVGA iis too sick...when u see the resolution next to thhe iphone..the iphone looks like a packard bell monitor in comparison, just look for yourself in the pictures.

Boinng said:
A year? Why even post! There'll be far better phones out in a year's time.
Android is an entirely different OS with no compatibilty with WM or WM apps at all, other than the fact that the first Android phone (the G1) happens to be made by HTC and shares a similar Qualcom-powered hardware platform. Thanks to this, ports of Android to various existing WM phones are already underway - but installing an Android ROM means losing WM and your current apps (it also doesn't work very well yet, as far as I know).
Why are we talking about Android anyway? As said before, the Touch HD (subject of this thread) is Just-Another-Windows-Phone running all the same software as the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond, just in a slightly different form factor.
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My my, do you have nappy rash? Why post? Because I can and I want to.

moegdaog said:
i mean ya it will be similar to the touch pro in fuctionality
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Not similar, identical
...but being able to do the same things with almost double the screeen size is amazing homie. imagine watching youtube and avi dvd rips on this 3.8" screeen? not to mention web browsing on opera and w/e else comes out. WVGA iis too sick...when u see the resolution next to thhe iphone..the iphone looks like a packard bell monitor in comparison, just look for yourself in the pictures.
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It's all relative to what you want to do, if crystal clear Youtube clips is your whole thing then ok, it might well be the phone for you, but I can't see most Iphone users (or Touch Pro users for that matter) being too jealous. It doesn't make the Iphone screen suddenly bad, videos on the Iphone are still going to be just as slick as they are now, and so's the rest of the user experience (which WM can't match on any screen just yet).
For the record, I don't own an Iphone or a Touch Pro just yet, I'm waiting out another month in QVGA on the Tytn II - but after that I'll probably go for the Iphone. I'm tired of WM and the Touch HD doesn't begin to change that.

MACkjam said:
My my, do you have nappy rash? Why post? Because I can and I want to.
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Great! Thanks!

HTC completely screwed up by reverting to dual band UMTS.
HTC to international travelers: screw U

Boinng said:
Erm... the Touch HD is technically identical to the Touch Pro, just with a bigger screen and no keyboard.
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Last time i checked that wasn't TECHNICALLY identical
and we've all see than having the same hardward does not inherently mean the same device. There are lots of reasons to be excited about taht device. If you're not, then just ignore it. I don't see why you need to come throw cold water one everyone's fun in here.
I'm curious why this is in the Kaiser General forum though as it's not about the Kaiser at all...

Boinng said:
Not similar, identical
It's all relative to what you want to do, if crystal clear Youtube clips is your whole thing then ok, it might well be the phone for you, but I can't see most Iphone users (or Touch Pro users for that matter) being too jealous. It doesn't make the Iphone screen suddenly bad, videos on the Iphone are still going to be just as slick as they are now, and so's the rest of the user experience (which WM can't match on any screen just yet).
For the record, I don't own an Iphone or a Touch Pro just yet, I'm waiting out another month in QVGA on the Tytn II - but after that I'll probably go for the Iphone. I'm tired of WM and the Touch HD doesn't begin to change that.
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You said it, my friend. Lately my Tilt has been acting up and I'm pulling my hair out it's so annoying. I'm not one for masochism. I've used the Touch too, and friends who have it have had similar problems as me after a couple months use (eventual slowing down, unresposiveness)
On the contrary I have an iPod Touch which I've had for over a year and it's remarkably strong still. I'm no Apple fb, but my next phone might be an iPhone because I'm so fed up with WinMo (or HTC, not sure which really)
So I don't see Touch HD becoming an iPhone killer at all. It;s not the specs that make iPhone good, because the specs suck. It's got the best UI, best touch keyboard (my Tilts physical keyboard is less accurate!), and it's cheap for the quality of the product.

this means Touchflo 3d should be possible on Xperia i guess.

The Touch HD looks awesome but it still gonna carry WM6. That's the problem I got with it. WM7 looking farther and farther away doesn't help, $200 for iphone looks good.

TOUCH HD
Won't the touch HD have a 5 MP camera? thats a real difference!
i would also imagine it has better photo "capture" speed.
and the touch pro, based on the one I held in J&R a few weeks ago, does not have an external camera button either, you need to do it on screen.
that would be another real difference.
i imagine by the spring (and hopefully when my contract is up) that they will
have a the Touch HD with a keyboard, updated drivers, and WM7.
that would be pretty sweet, in my humble opinion.
michael

Just sold my kaiser

Well after about a year of use i just parted with my kaiser, i think i'm gonna cry.. time to move on to the G1 thread.

how much you sell it for? I'm selling mine so i can get the Crackberry Bold.

yea
i'm curious

sold it to my roomate for 200

HAW Haw!!! Your roomate got sloppy seconds!

sodenrox said:
Well after about a year of use i just parted with my kaiser, i think i'm gonna cry.. time to move on to the G1 thread.
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How could you do that to us!? I thought what we had was special
Good luck with your G1 man!

sodenrox said:
Well after about a year of use i just parted with my kaiser, i think i'm gonna cry.. time to move on to the G1 thread.
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Good for you can you explain the motivation? i mean what can we get from G1 that is better than the kaiser?

udi1 said:
Good for you can you explain the motivation? i mean what can we get from G1 that is better than the kaiser?
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Probably stunted machine currently but actually supported by Google with a lot of regular future upgrades -- drivers too! Can't beat that.

$200?!?!?
Jeez - I paid $50 for it new at AT&T last November when it came out (gotta LOVE those rebates).

NuShrike said:
Probably stunted machine currently but actually supported by Google with a lot of regular future upgrades -- drivers too! Can't beat that.
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I wonder how it performs as far as smooth video playback is concerned (compared to the Kaiser using Windows Pocket Media Player 10.3). Not because I'm interested in getting a G1 (just like the Touch Pro, I believe it doesn't have the tilting screen of the TyTN II) but because I want to know just what the hardware is capable of in terms of processing power when proper drivers are used.

sold my tytn II also
It never worked as i hoped and expected. . .
my old ipaq 2210 did a better job showing video's and recorded tv shows.
that 's one big reason to sell for me.
the lag when ending a phonecall and screen rotating with sms did the rest.
I like the looks of the new touch HD but that seems also lagging and is not able to play video in its native resolution so it looks like more of the same but then in a higher resolution.
calling it HD and not been able to play native resolution video?
i lost my confidence in HTC for their lack in proper 2D and 3D drivers with my TYTN II, and will not travel the same road with their HD. . . . . .
A standard gsm will do for now, awaiting newer OS and Hardware.
XDA rocks tho!