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Please please recompile stuff for the new processor, ask Qualcomm for sdk / libraries, do something, damn it !
I have a PDA i use in my car only for GPS nav (MIO P350 - 400MHz Samsung) and it plays movies better, not only speed (benchmark on same movie 172% vs 142% on the Kaiser with the EXACT same settings) but also less tearing in landscape mode. Oh, and the price was 3 times lower (i know, i know, GSM, hardware keyboard, etc, etc. but the Kaiser is supposed to be THE BEST THING EVER, with a new generation processor... crap)
Again, please release a new ROM that does justice to the processor, or stop marketing crap...
You do have a choice to buy other brands... ??
I personally find the Kaiser great just about any way. Yes there are components that could have been better. There's no doubt about it. But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
All i'm saying is that the processor has a lot more to offer, and on paper it's great, but the way HTC released the Kaiser it's like buying a super-computer, the best on the market, and you run things on it without drivers (you know how Windows runs / looks without video drivers)
I'm sure it will get better over time while they work out the kinks. The Danish version was released without World Card Mobile, but they are aware of that and will post an update on the eclub forum when its ready.
I'm quite satisfied with my TyTN II.
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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Then get rid of it. I am sure you can sell it on eBay for what you paid for it. I think it's the best thing on the market right now
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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Finally, someone who used windows mobile devices before and knows what it's all about.
About selling: like i said, it's like buying a good computer but not having good drivers for the hardware... why sell a good piece of hardware ? Ask the vendor for good drivers !
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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I agree, by now these devices should be easily able to outperform lesser devices. However, HTC hasn't done many tweaks to the underlying OS to make it a better user experience besides adding touchflo. Look at how well and fast the Treo 750 or 700wx run and all of the user enhancements.
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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At playing videos? I tend to agree with the OP... the drivers clearly aren't optimized for the hardware at this point. Given the specs, it should play videos better than pervious products, not worse.
the video part actually refers to direct draw mode, because there's nothing HTC can do about the other modes, it's raw processor power
my problem is with the system in general, i can see drawing when scrolling in program folder, which is using GDI, which is not optimized. I also see tearing (it's not VSync-ed).
Aaaand.... the cherry on top: i'm a programmer and this device doesn't support directdraw so good (ok, it's slow, i get it, but at least let me use it with back buffer...)
He called the MARKETING crap.
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.... But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
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Ahaa, someone else noticed that the software sucks : Qualcomm claims thier chip has hardware DirectX support, but our Kaiser doesn't:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745
btw: i'm not sure if Qualcomm lies or HTC is lazy, but something is really wrong here
HTC or Qualcomm or ATT or whoever should really address this. Watching .wmv(Microsoft's own codec for crying out loud) files is horrible. Horrible I say! I've tried it on 3 different Tilts. And for anyone to say it's not doesn't know what their talking about. Or has REALLY low expectations.
It's totally like the OP said. It needs video drivers...
Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
The Kaiser came out right after I bought my Wing. I would have bought the Kaiser -- seems like an awesome phone, but now I'm going to get some mileage out of my Wing.
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Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
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I have tried .mp4s with Core Player, and with some tweaking, they play fairly smoothly, but I agree -- .WMV is frustratingly bad. I came from a Samsung i730, which handled all codecs encoded up to (and sometimes beyond) 700kbps with no problem.
I also seem to think the video recording on the camera side is suffering from these bad "drivers". I did a comparison and my TyTnI video is WAY less burry. Way less...
Shame. HTC you should really be ashamed. Or at least get to fixing it and release a proper ROM. Or is video not important?
Sold my hermes for this
It hasnt made a huge Difference accept 50 to 60 mb prog memory. camera is horrible like o2 IIi
Video slow
Well before I had Imate JAsjam thatone played wmv and other video files without a hitch, Comparing the speed to the Kaiser the looks like a device
from the early 90's
Hi All,
I currently own an HTC magician. I want a new phone with everything the magician has plus GPS, WIFI, more RAM, and a keyboard. The only phone I found that comes close is the Kaiser, but I've heard such bad things about the video driver problem.
Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?
Do I have any other options with those specs?
Thanks,
Daniel
I have a Kaiser and I am very happy with it, because I can do so much with it. However if a bit of lag annoys you greatly it may not be for you.
Surur
NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
wait for kaiser fix
If video is not heavily used, buy it now. I bought it recently and like it very mcuh. But higher performance is still demanded...
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I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
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better device with 3g, wifi, and wm6? like what?
get the kaiser...it's no slower then any other wm6 device out there and although yes it would be nice if we could play more games, normal res video runs perfectly fine.
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NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
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This may all be true if you're still using the stock ROM. There are some really smokin' cooked ROMs out there that really speed things up and make the Kaiser a truly enjoyable device.
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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So you equate flashing a cooked ROM with clicking the "Defrag" button? One is a feature built into the operating system, the other can void your warranty and potentially brick your device. They're nowhere near the same thing.
I'm telling everybody I know to avoid HTC like the plague. Not so much directly because of the video issues, but because of their lack of accountability. They deliberately released a crippled device in hopes that nobody would notice, and are now working on some half-assed "fix" only because of the publicity that was generated by the XDA community.
Get one. I was in the same boat hesitating about the drivers. I am glad i made my decision. I upgraded from a 8525. Glad i did i have everything i need in one device. GPS Wifi, processing power. Im not sure what the full potential of this chip is supposed to be but its fast. I actually got mine refurbished from att about a month ago. After using it i ended up buying another one today for my wife and paying full price. Im not disatisfied. Definatly waht i would expect out of a 400 dollar phone.
Like most answers, it lives in the question.
"Because of Video Problems". Do you need or want to view videos not converted to 320x240 resolution? If you do need or want that that from your new expensive mobile device, then pass. ---- NO KAISER FOR YOU!
If you want a snappy interface and quick file browsing experience, then wait for the HTC "fixes". But still forget lag-free video at source resolutions above 320x240. ---------- > Get a Kaiser, and hope you can fix it.
Do you want fancy graphical VGA games or anything 3D? Forget the Kaiser.
Do you want a Windows Mobile 6 device that has real GPS, WiFi, 3G, Edge, 2 cameras (one for video calls, one for decent pics), querty keyboard, and bluetooth? And are able to put up with the device doing NONE of those things particularly well, then ----> Get a Kaiser.
I have a Kaiser. I live through its quirks. Its a fun device depending on your definition of "fun".
Do I regret paying $850+ for my device even knowing I was an early adopter? Yes. The device advertised was not the device delivered.
Would I discourage others from buying it at a $200 USD price point? No.
But then again, its up to you and what you expect from your device.
With Schap's ROM (4.31) and Coreplayer 1.2 i needn't a fix for "video pb"
I don't play 3D game.
Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
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Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
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which is why you should try a cooked rom. the internet scrolling thing u mention? its a bug in pie, there;s a fix for that......if you decide to stick to pie, cause lets face it, pie is a pile of **** anyways. try opera mini or mobile. oh and btw......i did get my tilt for under $200
as for the OPs question, there are tons of posts here about the performance of these devices (you might also want to look in the upgrading section to see the performance of cooked roms) and I'm not gonna dd anymore to it. At the end of the day, you are the one who has to make the decision, and you are the one who will be using this device, my advice to you is just choose wisely......i took the jump and got it even after hearing about the video issues, and i never regretted it.
Just get a Kaiser and wait till end of March when the drivers will be released.
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Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
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If you buy this phone you'll be taking a risk. It may be a small risk depending on what you'll have to pay, but a risk nonetheless of not being satisfied. At least you will have made your choice in good conscience and aware of the situation. Truth is we shouldn't have to compare this device to much older ones and say it's better. It shouldn't warrant a comparison at all but since it does there is obviously a problem. There are those that will tell you their TyTN II is "SUPER ACCEPTABLE!" but that's hardly the point. I didn't buy this thing believing it would have acceptable performance. This device is supposed to kick ass and we believe it would if it used the complete architecture of the chip inside. I got mine for $700 and my plan here on out is to just grin and bear it. There isn't an alternative device available yet and HTC has us over the fence on this thing. The anticipated fix is not going to address our concern of enabling the second core of the chip we paid for. I can confirm for you my experiences with the TyTN II and keep in mind this is before I 'dragged it through my backside' by flashing the ROM. (By the way why in the world would it matter whether it's been flashed or how many times programs have been installed/uninstalled?)
- Video playback is fine if my source is 320 X 240. I have always re-encoded my video anyway in an effort to save space and optimize everything. For this reason I didn't know there was a video playback problem right away.
- The camera is almost unusable. I have turned on the on-screen fps display and in sunlight I get ~18fps, in ambient light make that ~4fps and if it's semi dark forget about it. This effects taking pictures and taking video. The video I shoot ends up looking like a blurry mess and any picture I take better be of a stationary subject or else I will usually miss the shot. Interestingly enough the device takes great photos though.
- Screen rotation is a sore subject. I want the thing to be fluid but instead I have to watch it redraw slowly and in seperate pieces.
- Scrolling - it isn't certain that scrolling problem is a result of the missing drivers. I have to say that scrolling isn't very good but there is a fix on this forum to make it more reasonable.
- GPS works great, I've never had an issue with it although it kills the battery fast. Especially fast when using Google maps or live search because then you have the active GPRS data session combined with the gps.
- Battery life - I have a 1600mAH bat and I have to charge it every day but then again I auto download podcasts and such so I am partially to blame. As I understand it the drivers would increase battery life.
That's about it from me. Sorry this post is so long, let me wrap it up. I don't think anyone can tell you to buy or not to buy. You'll just have to make a decision yourself. At least it will be an informed decision, unlike mine.
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
even with no video drivers, it's still the best branded phone in the US. theres nothing better. (yet)
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!! I couldn't agree more with you!!!
I think that people expect to dial to Pluto with live feeds from the nethergalaxy and back!!!
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...I work for AT&T...
I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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Awesome! So it is the official AT&T position that we should all install cooked ROMs on our Tilts? Is that what you tell your customers? And it won't void the warranty? That's fantastic news.
Can you please post your store number and employee ID number so your statement can be confirmed with AT&T corporate? Thanks!
How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???
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How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???
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Isn't the Kaiser more of a do-it-all and the Touch Diamond more of a show piece?
Silly comparison. They're both slow if you look the GLBenchmarks compared to most Nokias, iPhones, and SonyEricssons.
HTC+Qualcomm == dredging the bottom of the barrel.
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Silly comparison. They're both slow if you look the GLBenchmarks compared to most Nokias, iPhones, and SonyEricssons.
HTC+Qualcomm == dredging the bottom of the barrel.
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GLbenchmarks mean nothing if you use your phone for a true multidevice. Lets see Iphone let me use it as a cellular modem, give me full customization of its OS, VNC/SSH into my servers, remotely administer my clients networks via VPN access, ...... this list can go on forever. Bottom of the barrel you say???? Hrmmmmmm.
As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
Lets keep on topic.
Kaiser = Power User phone. Diamond is a beautiful stand in with a bit less functionality.
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As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
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Dual Core sounds nice BUT, all phones have 2 chips, 1 to wake the other, and in Kaiser 1 is used solely to process call information, and if you look at the actual UI speed... not what I call Fast. Doesn't matter how many processors power Kaiser, it's slow as it stands now.
Cool Comparison:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/compare_advresults.php?phones[]=2268&phones[]=2876
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GLbenchmarks mean nothing if you use your phone for a true multidevice. Lets see Iphone let me use it as a cellular modem, give me full customization of its OS, VNC/SSH into my servers, remotely administer my clients networks via VPN access, ...... this list can go on forever. Bottom of the barrel you say???? Hrmmmmmm.
As far as Slow goes.......... dual cores handling the OS and radio systems isnt what i consider slow...............
Lets keep on topic.
Kaiser = Power User phone. Diamond is a beautiful stand in with a bit less functionality.
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Hi:
Why do you say it has less functionality? I'm not contradicting you, I am really asking, because I thought the Diamond would have the same capabilities as the Kaiser. After hearing the rumors that AT&T will get the Touch Pro, I was so excited to get one, but now I'm worried it may not be as functional as the Tilt.
Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!
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How is the kaiser compared with the HTC Touch Diamond???
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Not trying to be mean, but I think it's a silly comparison...
A more logical comparison would be Kaiser vs Touch Pro...
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Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!
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it does with several games /emus but very few (if any) apps
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Hi:
Why do you say it has less functionality? I'm not contradicting you, I am really asking, because I thought the Diamond would have the same capabilities as the Kaiser. After hearing the rumors that AT&T will get the Touch Pro, I was so excited to get one, but now I'm worried it may not be as functional as the Tilt.
Along the same lines, I was wondering, does the VGA screen pose a problem? What I mean is as far as compatibility with most games, programs etc?
Thanks!
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flash memory / expandability (card slot)? QWERTY? in these, the Kaiser is way better
I suppose it's pretty individual issue. Diamond has faster CPU, VGA screen, sexy interface with 4Gb internal memory without expansion slot, so as a result this is rather alternative to iPhone with limited advantage of using loads of free or hacked WM software limited by those 4Gb only.
Keiser is solid QWERTY-featured 100% WM device with all its outcome. For instance I had been using HTC Blue Angel (wich is actually direct ancestor of Keiser) for 4 years and done to it almost everything except direct sexual intercourse.
The choice of XDA veteran.
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http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/compare_advresults.php?phones[]=2268&phones[]=2876
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I don't get this comparison, the battery capacity decreased, yet the talk time has increased for diamond...
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I don't get this comparison, the battery capacity decreased, yet the talk time has increased for diamond...
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Does the Diamond have Drivers? Maybe its because the CPU isnt getting its ass beat by drawing the screen all day long.
Could be another benefit to getting working drivers on the kaiser.
just a thought.
Toshiba G810 better even they are using MSM7200 400Mhz which is same as TYTN 2.
Look at the video , the drawing speed is much much smoother and faster than our TYTN2 .... HTC , you really need to DO SOMETHING.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAyJ7_f3rS0&feature=related
Is anyone trying to port the driver from G810 to tytn2 ?
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Is anyone trying to port the driver from G810 to tytn2 ?
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Anybody got a rom dump of the 810 then?
g810
Once I get a g810 I will rom dump both to cook my own and will pass it around for the drivers, if this is still needed... let me know.
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Once I get a g810 I will rom dump both to cook my own and will pass it around for the drivers, if this is still needed... let me know.
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Any news on you g810? Would be great if you can dump the rom.
i dunno if people have posted threads about this phone but all i have to say is ive found the answer to all my prayers...personally i think the touch pro needed a biggger screen...i love my tilt but uupgrading to the touch pro will be little different other then size/width,ram/space and VGA display. Which in turn are all very great upgrades, but looking at the iphone, the touch pro neeeds a biggger screen but o well. And I'm not saying that im not going to get the touchpro because i am..just because i still consider it to be a better phone then the iphone for functionality and much more......but tonight ive found the equivelent to the best phone, possibley on the planet...HTC is coming out with
THE HTC TOUCH HD
CNET.COM Asia site has most of the specs but the realy important **** that caught my eye....
3.8" screen 480x800 display with a WVGA screeen resolution
5.0 mega pixel camera
512 megs of onboard rom 256 ram
Qualcomm 7500 processor with close to 600mhz chip
supposed FM radio
weighs 5 ounces!
TouchFlo 3D not 2D
and last but not least...a G-sensor which is like iphone accelerometer which when u flip the phone sideways it turns the frame and rotates the phone screen image.
i mean this is freakin bananas for those who have never seen this phone plz enjoy because thiis thing is goig to dominate and reintroduce HTC again as the major player in th phone market..after the little driver issues with the tilt.
here are more pictures on this site i been on all night comparing the iphone 3G, touch and touch pro with the touch HD
http://dailymobile.se/2008/09/19/pictures-iphone-vs-htc-touch-hd/t
http://dailymobile.se/2008/09/16/htc-touch-hd-specifications/
both these sites show coparison and close up pictures ive attached images with the touch hd and iphone comparison
(look how bright and much clearer the touch hd WVGA screen is to the iphones screen)
this is ridiculous..after i play with the touch pro for a couple months this winter..its going to follow my tilt onto craigslist and be sold, so when this TOUCH HD phone drops for tmobile or ATT in 2009, ill have it and ill be rdy to pay $600 and up for it if i have too because i dont think im gonna buy another phone after the touch hd for atleast 5yrs. gauranteed!
enjoy!
dunno if people have posted threads about this phone(...)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429499
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2646905
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2653733
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426482
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2665750
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425031
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425782
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2624240
and much more over there.
Enough?
yea dood i been gone from xda for like a month...as soon as i saw this thing i had to post just cuz im so freakin amazed ad jumpy. I havent been so siced over a phone since the tilt...the touch pro doesnt have me that thrillled right now but this touch hd is off the hook...if anybody knows the release date or hears anything plz post...mid october is beautiful...worse comes too worse ill freakin buy this phone online if it drops in london or something.
Sick phone, but will it have the video-output feature?
I noticed this on HTC's site a week or so ago, and it will totally dominate the iPhone. I'm upgrading from my Tilt to the Fuze (Touch Pro) when it's released at ATT on Oct 23rd...I'm really looking forward to the video out feature. If this Touch HD has that it WILL be the perfect phone!
Just have to say...got my wife an iPhone 3G the other day. Pretty slick interface, everything is fast and very smooth. Video playback puts every WinMo phone I've ever used to shame. No chopping, no freezes...just like watching a movie on my HD Plasma screen at home.
However I miss the ability to customize it like you can with WinMo phones. And not to mention the complicated process of putting music on the iPhone from iTunes. Good gosh they overcomplicated that process. Much easier with windows to simply drag and drop files/folders from your desktop into Activesync. A cool phone nonetheless...will have to get used to an on-screen keyboard with the Touch HD as my last 3 devices have had slideouts.
May I ask what do those have to do w/ Kaiser?
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I havent been so siced over a phone since the tilt...the touch pro doesnt have me that thrillled right now but this touch hd is off the hook...
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Erm... the Touch HD is technically identical to the Touch Pro, just with a bigger screen and no keyboard. That's it. It brings nothing else new to the table, it runs the same TouchFlo 3D as the Pro and the Diamond, along with the same processor, memory, GPS, accelerometer, on the same old WinMo 6.1... apart from the screen, the experience of using this device will be nigh on identical to the Touch Diamond or Pro. So unless I'm missing something, it's really not that big a deal.
Will it "dominate" the Iphone? Of course not. It will divert a few sales amongst those looking for the highest res screen, but those who like the Iphone way of working will still choose the Iphone (in their millions) and those who prefer Windows Mobile will simply have one more option to choose from. Bigger screen (Touch HD) or proper keyboard (Touch Pro) - the choice is yours.
I hope they do a similar device to the touch HD but with a keyboard... love the idea of a WVGA screen on my next device, web browsing will be great compared to QVGA on kaiser!
I wonder if the processor is powerful enough to deliver a smooth experience at that WCGA with touch flow 3d?
I think I am in heaven!!! WOW and WOW again!!!
I will have to wait another year or so until my contract comes up for renewal.
Is Android a stand alone OS? or is it merely a GUI for Windows Mobile? Will I be able to use any of my WM apps/games? Please tell me I can.
it's called xda porn
MACkjam said:
I think I am in heaven!!! WOW and WOW again!!!
I will have to wait another year or so until my contract comes up for renewal.
Is Android a stand alone OS? or is it merely a GUI for Windows Mobile? Will I be able to use any of my WM apps/games? Please tell me I can.
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A year? Why even post! There'll be far better phones out in a year's time.
Android is an entirely different OS with no compatibilty with WM or WM apps at all, other than the fact that the first Android phone (the G1) happens to be made by HTC and shares a similar Qualcom-powered hardware platform. Thanks to this, ports of Android to various existing WM phones are already underway - but installing an Android ROM means losing WM and your current apps (it also doesn't work very well yet, as far as I know).
Why are we talking about Android anyway? As said before, the Touch HD (subject of this thread) is Just-Another-Windows-Phone running all the same software as the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond, just in a slightly different form factor.
i mean ya it will be similar to the touch pro in fuctionality ...but being able to do the same things with almost double the screeen size is amazing homie. imagine watching youtube and avi dvd rips on this 3.8" screeen? not to mention web browsing on opera and w/e else comes out. WVGA iis too sick...when u see the resolution next to thhe iphone..the iphone looks like a packard bell monitor in comparison, just look for yourself in the pictures.
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A year? Why even post! There'll be far better phones out in a year's time.
Android is an entirely different OS with no compatibilty with WM or WM apps at all, other than the fact that the first Android phone (the G1) happens to be made by HTC and shares a similar Qualcom-powered hardware platform. Thanks to this, ports of Android to various existing WM phones are already underway - but installing an Android ROM means losing WM and your current apps (it also doesn't work very well yet, as far as I know).
Why are we talking about Android anyway? As said before, the Touch HD (subject of this thread) is Just-Another-Windows-Phone running all the same software as the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond, just in a slightly different form factor.
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My my, do you have nappy rash? Why post? Because I can and I want to.
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i mean ya it will be similar to the touch pro in fuctionality
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Not similar, identical
...but being able to do the same things with almost double the screeen size is amazing homie. imagine watching youtube and avi dvd rips on this 3.8" screeen? not to mention web browsing on opera and w/e else comes out. WVGA iis too sick...when u see the resolution next to thhe iphone..the iphone looks like a packard bell monitor in comparison, just look for yourself in the pictures.
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It's all relative to what you want to do, if crystal clear Youtube clips is your whole thing then ok, it might well be the phone for you, but I can't see most Iphone users (or Touch Pro users for that matter) being too jealous. It doesn't make the Iphone screen suddenly bad, videos on the Iphone are still going to be just as slick as they are now, and so's the rest of the user experience (which WM can't match on any screen just yet).
For the record, I don't own an Iphone or a Touch Pro just yet, I'm waiting out another month in QVGA on the Tytn II - but after that I'll probably go for the Iphone. I'm tired of WM and the Touch HD doesn't begin to change that.
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My my, do you have nappy rash? Why post? Because I can and I want to.
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Great! Thanks!
HTC completely screwed up by reverting to dual band UMTS.
HTC to international travelers: screw U
Boinng said:
Erm... the Touch HD is technically identical to the Touch Pro, just with a bigger screen and no keyboard.
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Last time i checked that wasn't TECHNICALLY identical
and we've all see than having the same hardward does not inherently mean the same device. There are lots of reasons to be excited about taht device. If you're not, then just ignore it. I don't see why you need to come throw cold water one everyone's fun in here.
I'm curious why this is in the Kaiser General forum though as it's not about the Kaiser at all...
Boinng said:
Not similar, identical
It's all relative to what you want to do, if crystal clear Youtube clips is your whole thing then ok, it might well be the phone for you, but I can't see most Iphone users (or Touch Pro users for that matter) being too jealous. It doesn't make the Iphone screen suddenly bad, videos on the Iphone are still going to be just as slick as they are now, and so's the rest of the user experience (which WM can't match on any screen just yet).
For the record, I don't own an Iphone or a Touch Pro just yet, I'm waiting out another month in QVGA on the Tytn II - but after that I'll probably go for the Iphone. I'm tired of WM and the Touch HD doesn't begin to change that.
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You said it, my friend. Lately my Tilt has been acting up and I'm pulling my hair out it's so annoying. I'm not one for masochism. I've used the Touch too, and friends who have it have had similar problems as me after a couple months use (eventual slowing down, unresposiveness)
On the contrary I have an iPod Touch which I've had for over a year and it's remarkably strong still. I'm no Apple fb, but my next phone might be an iPhone because I'm so fed up with WinMo (or HTC, not sure which really)
So I don't see Touch HD becoming an iPhone killer at all. It;s not the specs that make iPhone good, because the specs suck. It's got the best UI, best touch keyboard (my Tilts physical keyboard is less accurate!), and it's cheap for the quality of the product.
this means Touchflo 3d should be possible on Xperia i guess.
The Touch HD looks awesome but it still gonna carry WM6. That's the problem I got with it. WM7 looking farther and farther away doesn't help, $200 for iphone looks good.
TOUCH HD
Won't the touch HD have a 5 MP camera? thats a real difference!
i would also imagine it has better photo "capture" speed.
and the touch pro, based on the one I held in J&R a few weeks ago, does not have an external camera button either, you need to do it on screen.
that would be another real difference.
i imagine by the spring (and hopefully when my contract is up) that they will
have a the Touch HD with a keyboard, updated drivers, and WM7.
that would be pretty sweet, in my humble opinion.
michael
As many websites announce, SE-X2 is now available. Does anyone buy it? Please give me some review so I can decide to buy.
Thanks.
SEX2 is about US$900 in US, or GBP520 in UK. (I see on eBay)
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As many websites announce, SE-X2 is now available. Does anyone buy it? Please give me some review so I can decide to buy.
Thanks.
SEX2 is about US$900 in US, or GBP520 in UK. (I see on eBay)
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In my country available from 18th January...
Available in Australia $895 AUD Funny how it's cheaper here than in USA.
if ur really planning on buying the phone don't waste ur money getting it for 900, it cost 700 on this website
http://www.cellswholesale.com/Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X2,C,1112/
I'm hopefully getting it on Monday , cant wait
Will try to post back once i have it
pocketnow.com has just announced the x2 is further delayed till
next summer! this in my eyes is signing the death of a phone,
so they can rethink their strategy!
^yea. very outdated device. would still be ok (if delayed) if they didnt use the 3-yr old msm7200.
definitely wont sell well. unless its under 300$. lol.
nice strategy SE....
edit: its already out here. $SGD 1050 ... still never buying it.
haha, 524mhz on x2? what a shame!
I will buy if x2 has 1ghz and multitouch
WM 6.5.3 on X2!
Officially on WM booth...
Source
http://www.wmpoweruser.com
^ ... and..? is it good..? sorry to bother You guys, I've just popped in to check if there's any desperado who actually got it.
Desperado?
Funny, it will be one of the best WM devices out there.
I also watched LG Expo videos - not faster at all....
What did you get: HD2??
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Desperado?
Funny, it will be one of the best WM devices out there.
I also watched LG Expo videos - not faster at all....
What did you get: HD2??
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It's not bad on its own merits, it's just that everyone else is using 1GHz Snapdragons and to make it even worse the X2 really isn't that much different from the X1.
I think an X2 will simply be too difficult to justify for a X1 owner.
yupp... hd2. the only thing that is going to be cool in x2 is the camera. other bits simply suck balls. tv out? what for? hardware qwerty? well... this one is good, but I am typing faster on hd2 now than on x1, so I am not bothered. anything else?
how could they use msm7201 again?? why resistive screen? how panels are better than normal apps? se is going down...
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yupp... hd2. the only thing that is going to be cool in x2 is the camera. other bits simply suck balls. tv out? what for? hardware qwerty? well... this one is good, but I am typing faster on hd2 now than on x1, so I am not bothered. anything else?
how could they use msm7201 again?? why resistive screen? how panels are better than normal apps? se is going down...
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Qwerty is a must.
Camera important for me.
msm 7200 - agree.
Resistive screen - I hate capactive!
Panels - use them all the time.....
doministry said:
1. Qwerty is a must.
2. Camera important for me.
3. msm 7200 - agree.
4. Resistive screen - I hate capactive!
5. Panels - use them all the time.....
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1. Mostly agree, though I don't have experience typing on a big capac. screen
2. Agree, but speed, optics, and lighting, not megapixels
3. Agree heartily
4. Agree, unless they can make a stylus for capac. like I've heard they're putting out for HD2
5. Disagree - mystery to me that anyone still uses panels, but to each his own
My X2 I ordered online is coming in less than 3 hours =)
UK firmware, in Australia.
So my X2 will be pre-loaded with windows mobile 6.5.3? I hope so... tahts what it says on offical release.
royalbloodvi said:
My X2 I ordered online is coming in less than 3 hours =)
UK firmware, in Australia.
So my X2 will be pre-loaded with windows mobile 6.5.3? I hope so... tahts what it says on offical release.
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Like to know when you get it.
6.5.3 or just basic 218xx 6.5?
Keep us posted and have fun with it.
My X2 HAS JUST ARRIVED. READ HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=615784
doministry said:
WM 6.5.3 on X2!
Officially on WM booth...
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http://www.wmpoweruser.com
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That would be great. Just saw 6.5.3, seems pretty nice.