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There seem to be a LOT of information about downgrades of the 2.xx based roms, and I wanted to see if I can summerise (based on my observations and understanding) and for people to correct me if I am wrong, so we get the information collated once and for all hopefully.
There seem to be a number of items of interest:
1. You need to be SuperCID unlocked to be able to upgrade and downgrade to any rom version (that includes bootloaders).
2. 1.xx rom version vs 2.xx (AKU) rom versions - You can SuperCID unlock 1.xx rom versions, but not 2.xx rom versions with the lokiwiz tool. Apparently imei-check can do 2.xx roms it for 20 UK pounds.
3. 2.xx roms prevent downgrading to a rom version below the current
4. There is a workaround method to downgrade a 2.xx rom if the rom version is below 2.17 by a custom 1.xx downgrade rom.
5. G3/G4 flash chips - bootloaders (IPL/SPL) with .0001 at the end of the version are G4 flash chips. There seems to be only 2.xx rom'ed devices with G4 flash chips floating around.
6. 2.xx official roms seem to include a G3 and a G4 version of the bootloader. 1.xx offical roms seem to only include a G3 version of the bootloader.
So, if you are trying to downgrade (including the bootloader):
1. You cannot do it (for free) if you have a rom above 2.17
2. You cannot do it (for free) if you have a G4 chip. You also cannot downgrade to a 1.xx rom if you have a G4 chip. Flashing a G3 bootloader onto a device with a G4 flash chip will "brick" the device if the device is turned off.
Question I have:
Does this mean you can downgrade a 1.xx rom, even though you have a G4 chip, if you are CID unlocked and do not downgrade the bootloaders? (If you are wondering why I might ask this, the blackberry connect client currently only works with a specific 1.xx rom version it seems, as RIM checks rom versions)
No, 2.x bootloaders don't work with 1.x Radio Roms.
My Wizard was not CID unlocked and with 2.17 ROM.
I downgraded to Button's ROM (flashed it 2 times) and got this:
IPL: 1.01
SPL: 2.17
Radio: 02.07.2
OS: 1.xx (don't remember now)
lokiwiz successfully CID-Unlocked my phone, and now I'm using 2.24..
You can't downgrade after 2.21, but with 2.17 (18?) ROM's you still can downgrade to 1.xx and unlock your phone.
If you were clever enough to search for all of machinagod's posts, the author and poster of the lokiwiz tool, you'd find this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50768
This is known to work for the HTC Wizard line, with exception of the prophet, which has a different post - and a different file working for that phone. This thread states that you can unlock (cid/sim) SPL 2.x roms, which may include the G4 chipsets as well. I have not tested this tool, nor validated its functionality with G4 chipsets. Luckily, I have a G3 chipset, and I do not want to give it up for the life of me.
Machinagod's posts can be found by this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?search_author=machinagod
I hope this solves some mystery around the G4/SPL2.x CID unlocking issues. Try this lokiwizMSL tool and see if it works for you, posting on either machinagod's thread or in one of the newer rom threads.
mengesb said:
If you were clever enough to search for all of machinagod's posts, the author and poster of the lokiwiz tool, you'd find this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50768
This is known to work for the HTC Wizard line, with exception of the prophet, which has a different post - and a different file working for that phone. This thread states that you can unlock (cid/sim) SPL 2.x roms, which may include the G4 chipsets as well. I have not tested this tool, nor validated its functionality with G4 chipsets. Luckily, I have a G3 chipset, and I do not want to give it up for the life of me.
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From machinegod's post in the thread about lokiwizMSL 0.3a:
Q - How about the CID unlock tool? (for using any type of roms)
A - Doesn't work yet... Stay tuned
ie - lokiwiz will only CID unlock 1.x roms at this point in time.
mengesb said:
Machinagod's posts can be found by this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?search_author=machinagod
I hope this solves some mystery around the G4/SPL2.x CID unlocking issues. Try this lokiwizMSL tool and see if it works for you, posting on either machinagod's thread or in one of the newer rom threads.
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Machinegod has said in a number of posts that the solution (to the G4 chips) is to downgrade the rom without touching the IPL/SPL. I have not seen anyone produce custom ROMS that do not include the IPL/SPL for the purpose of downgrading a 2.xx rom as yet. There is a thread that talks about cooking your own rom, and its quite involved. You may or may not have noticed thats one of my questions in my post of whether this is doable with a 2.x bootloader (G4 chip) and a 1.x rom (as I haven't seen it yet).
kyphur said:
No, 2.x bootloaders don't work with 1.x Radio Roms.
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No, but for the purposes of CID unlocking, do we care? Does the Radio ROM problem prevent the device from entering RAPI mode?
titus666 said:
Machinegod has said in a number of posts that the solution (to the G4 chips) is to downgrade the rom without touching the IPL/SPL. I have not seen anyone produce custom ROMS that do not include the IPL/SPL for the purpose of downgrading a 2.xx rom as yet. There is a thread that talks about cooking your own rom, and its quite involved. You may or may not have noticed thats one of my questions in my post of whether this is doable with a 2.x bootloader (G4 chip) and a 1.x rom (as I haven't seen it yet).
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Machinegod is right (as always): the only way to change a G4 ROM (upgrade or dowgrade) is to cook a ROM without IPL/SPL. I wrote a tutorial on how to do it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=56088.
bye
Incorrect.
I started off with 2.25 G3 Chipped cingular First thing i did was unlock the sim with 3.0a. Then i downgraded to 1.8 custom rom. From there i went with Loki's 2.0b CID unlock.
Just make sure you don't have 2.25.001 etc. You don't want trailing ".001" after the 2.25. if you have trailing numbers, it means that you have the G4 chips and you'll probably fry your system if you try reflashing it.
kamakazi17 said:
Incorrect.
I started off with 2.25 G3 Chipped cingular First thing i did was unlock the sim with 3.0a. Then i downgraded to 1.8 custom rom. From there i went with Loki's 2.0b CID unlock.
Just make sure you don't have 2.25.001 etc. You don't want trailing ".001" after the 2.25. if you have trailing numbers, it means that you have the G4 chips and you'll probably fry your system if you try reflashing it.
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keyword - G3 chipset.
The above is refering to G4 chipsets and difficulties doing upgrades with that chipset. If you have a G4 chipset you'll have to cook your own rom without ipl/spl updates - which is what gets updated typically and requires a CID unlock.
risidoro said:
Machinegod is right (as always): the only way to change a G4 ROM (upgrade or dowgrade) is to cook a ROM without IPL/SPL. I wrote a tutorial on how to do it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=56088.
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Just on that note, I followed your lovely tutorial, cooked a ROM without the IPL/SPL and now can use the BB connect client without issues! Thanks for the tutorial.
Hi,
a few days ago i wrote on this forum that i had been able to install an italian ROM on a G4, CID-Locked Wizard. Since then, i've received several mails and PM from users asking me how i did. Instead of replying each one, i though it was better to write a tutorial and post it here for everyone to read/comment/correct it.
Here it is. Together with the tools you'll need to perform the update.
PS: in this tutorial i'm not explaining how to CID-UNlock a G4 or G3 (>= 2.21) phone. There is not yet a way to CID unlock these phones. I'm just describing how to circumvent the CID-lock problem by installing a ROM deprived of the IPL and SPL parts.
DISCLAIMER: THE PROCEDURE I’M GOING TO EXPLAIN DEALS WITH ROM ‘COOKING’ AND THUS IT MAY CAUSE SEVERE DATA LOSS OR EVEN IRREMEDIABLY DAMAGE YOUR DEVICE!
THE AUTHOR, NOR EVERY OTHER PERSON INVOLVED (E.G. THE ROM TOOLS DEVELOPERS), SHALL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY MALFUNCTIONS OR DAMAGES THIS PROCEDURE MAY CAUSE.
By following this tutorial, you're removing both the bootloaders (IPL and SPL) from a rom of your choice. This means that, if you don't make errors while 'cooking' the rom, you cannot completely destroy (brick) your phone. Sure, you could end up with a non-booting rom but, as long as you can get to the three colors screen (the bootloader screen) you'll always be able to install a different (or your previous) working rom.
On the other hand, messing with IPL and SPL (i.e. installing a rom containing IPL and SPL in a CID locked device) is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and MUST be avoided in most cases!!!
Installing a 2.xx rom without messing with your phone's IPL and SPL is exactly what this tutorial tries to explain.
NEVER INSTALL ROMS OR FOLLOW TUTORIALS IF YOU'RE NOT SURE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!!
ALWAYS ASK BEFORE PROCEEDING! A SIMPLE QUESTION MAY SAVE YOUR PHONE FROM DEATH!
Worked perfect!
Thank you very much for the clear explanation!!! 8)
HI,
Have I to introduce on nb2nbf SW the ITA language without CID??
squarna said:
HI,
Have I to introduce on nb2nbf SW the ITA language without CID??
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Leave the CID field empty and specify the language you're installing (ITA for italian, WWE for english).
Hi,
I have installed this SW on my MDA T-mobile:
IPL:2.21.0001
SPL:2.21.0001
GSM:2.19.11
OS:2.21.2.6
EXROM:2.21.2.109
What is the best Italian ROM to flash inside?
squarna said:
Hi,
I have installed this SW on my MDA T-mobile:
IPL:2.21.0001
SPL:2.21.0001
GSM:2.19.11
OS:2.21.2.6
EXROM:2.21.2.109
What is the best Italian ROM to flash inside?
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This is quite Off Topic here, anyway you can use K-Jam 2.18 italian ROM (find it here: ftp://ftp.clubimate.com/K-JAM_ITA_2180901_21809104_20710_ship.zip)
German to WWE
Worked perfect, no glitches! Thanks for the help!
So is there any issues with using a mismatched ipl/spl bootloader on my G4 equipped O2 mini S?
I really want to install Mr. Clean's Clean ROM, but i am afraid of bricking it.
I have done ROm upgrades before by CID unlocking my old Qtek9100 G3 (but my foolish friend dropped it into a cup of coffeee and killed it).
I will admit, the Mr. CLean Rom was WAY faster than my OE 2.21 ROm on my O2.
Is there anyway to go back and uninstall? Ie. download rom from O2 website to restore it?
REgards,
ED
minirx7 said:
So is there any issues with using a mismatched ipl/spl bootloader on my G4 equipped O2 mini S?
I really want to install Mr. Clean's Clean ROM, but i am afraid of bricking it.
I have done ROm upgrades before by CID unlocking my old Qtek9100 G3 (but my foolish friend dropped it into a cup of coffeee and killed it).
I will admit, the Mr. CLean Rom was WAY faster than my OE 2.21 ROm on my O2.
Is there anyway to go back and uninstall? Ie. download rom from O2 website to restore it?
REgards,
ED
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You CAN install MrClean AKU2.3 ROM BUT only if you first modify it following my guide: you cannot touch the IPL/SPL parts!!!
There are two reasons for not installing the original, unmodified MrClean ROM:
1) G4 phones cannot be CID unlocked. This means that you can replace their original IPL/SPL ONLY with a newer version made by the very same operator: e.g. if you have a 2.21 WWE T-mobile ROM then you can ONLY update this rom with a version > 2.21 made by T-mobile!!! You CANNOT use any other language nor any other operator's ROMs (cingular's, qtek's, etc).
2) MrClean ROM, as all the other home made ROMs you'll find in this forum, can be installed ONLY in G3 models because it contains only IPL and SPL version 1.0 (G4 phones need version 2.0)
Basically then, you have only 3 choices:
a) Follow my tutorial and be able to install every 2.x ROM you like (both stock ROMs and home made ones, every language, every operator). The only limitation is that you cannot install 1.x ROMs!
b) Install ONLY ROMs that are the OFFICIAL update to the one you have currently installed (e.g. if you have cingular 2.25 WWE rom then you'll be able to update it only when and if, a new, official, wwe, cingular ROM will be released). You won't be able to install a different language ROM nor a ROM made by a different operator, nor a home made ROM (like MrClean).
c) you can CID unlock your G4 wizard using some online service but: it will cost you money and you won't still be able to install home-made ROM 'cos they contain only IPL/SPL version 1.0 (you'll still need IPL/SPL version 2.0)
That said, i strongly suggest you solution (a)! It's free, it's very simple (it may seem complex but after the first time it'll be straight forward), it's the safest (because you don't replace the boot loader IPL and SPL) and it let you install whichever 2.x ROM you like!
Bye
Thank you risidoro,
Yes, i do realize the G4 IPL/SPL must not be altered to prevent from bricking the device.
I will try the Mr. Clean ROM tonight using your tutorial. I guess my only question is, will there be an issue using a 2.21 G4 IPL SPL on a 2.24ROM?
DOes the bootloader actual change with new ROMS?
risidoro said:
minirx7 said:
So is there any issues with using a mismatched ipl/spl bootloader on my G4 equipped O2 mini S?
I really want to install Mr. Clean's Clean ROM, but i am afraid of bricking it.
I have done ROm upgrades before by CID unlocking my old Qtek9100 G3 (but my foolish friend dropped it into a cup of coffeee and killed it).
I will admit, the Mr. CLean Rom was WAY faster than my OE 2.21 ROm on my O2.
Is there anyway to go back and uninstall? Ie. download rom from O2 website to restore it?
REgards,
ED
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You CAN install MrClean AKU2.3 ROM BUT only if you first modify it following my guide: you cannot touch the IPL/SPL parts!!!
There are two reasons for not installing the original, unmodified MrClean ROM:
1) G4 phones cannot be CID unlocked. This means that you can replace their original IPL/SPL ONLY with a newer version made by the very same operator: e.g. if you have a 2.21 WWE T-mobile ROM then you can ONLY update this rom with a version > 2.21 made by T-mobile!!! You CANNOT use any other language nor any other operator's ROMs (cingular's, qtek's, etc).
2) MrClean ROM, as all the other home made ROMs you'll find in this forum, can be installed ONLY in G3 models because it contains only IPL and SPL version 1.0 (G4 phones need version 2.0)
Basically then, you have only 3 choices:
a) Follow my tutorial and be able to install every 2.x ROM you like (both stock ROMs and home made ones, every language, every operator). The only limitation is that you cannot install 1.x ROMs!
b) Install ONLY ROMs that are the OFFICIAL update to the one you have currently installed (e.g. if you have cingular 2.25 WWE rom then you'll be able to update it only when and if, a new, official, wwe, cingular ROM will be released). You won't be able to install a different language ROM nor a ROM made by a different operator, nor a home made ROM (like MrClean).
c) you can CID unlock your G4 wizard using some online service but: it will cost you money and you won't still be able to install home-made ROM 'cos they contain only IPL/SPL version 1.0 (you'll still need IPL/SPL version 2.0)
That said, i strongly suggest you solution (a)! It's free, it's very simple (it may seem complex but after the first time it'll be straight forward), it's the safest (because you don't replace the boot loader IPL and SPL) and it let you install whichever 2.x ROM you like!
Bye
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minirx7 said:
Thank you risidoro,
Yes, i do realize the G4 IPL/SPL must not be altered to prevent from bricking the device.
I will try the Mr. Clean ROM tonight using your tutorial. I guess my only question is, will there be an issue using a 2.21 G4 IPL SPL on a 2.24ROM?
DOes the bootloader actual change with new ROMS?
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Bootloader and ROM version numbers usually are the same (so ROM 2.24 should have IPL/SPL 2.24) but they can be different. I've used IPL/SPL 2.21.001 with both 2.18 and 2.24 ROMs.
Maybe newer ROMs, greater than 2.24, will require an updated IPL/SPL so you'll be obliged to CID unlock your phone. By then however, i hope there'll be a free CID unlocking tool for G4.
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Thank you risidoro!! I was regretting getting my O2 miniS G4, in place of my broken Qtek 9100 G3.
I will give it a shot tonight. I noticed that the 2.24 ROM was much faster when I used it on my Qtek, over any other ROM.
Regards
risidoro said:
minirx7 said:
Thank you risidoro,
Yes, i do realize the G4 IPL/SPL must not be altered to prevent from bricking the device.
I will try the Mr. Clean ROM tonight using your tutorial. I guess my only question is, will there be an issue using a 2.21 G4 IPL SPL on a 2.24ROM?
DOes the bootloader actual change with new ROMS?
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Bootloader and ROM version numbers usually are the same (so ROM 2.24 should have IPL/SPL 2.24) but they can be different. I've used IPL/SPL 2.21.001 with both 2.18 and 2.24 ROMs.
Maybe newer ROMs, greater than 2.24, will require an updated IPL/SPL so you'll be obliged to CID unlock your phone. By then however, i hope there'll be a free CID unlocking tool for G4.
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THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED MR. CLEAN 2.24A ON MY G4 DEVICE!!!!
THe ROM is so much faster and smoother than the OE 2.21 ROM!!! tahnks again!
risidoro did you SIM unlock your G4 phone ? If yes what tool and version did you use to do that ?
jeegnesh said:
risidoro did you SIM unlock your G4 phone ? If yes what tool and version did you use to do that ?
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My two phones were both factory simunlocked but i heard that some people is successfully using LokiwizMSL 0.3a to sim unlock G4 wizards.
Just follow the author's instruction. The procedure is staightforward.
Find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50768&highlight=lokiwiz
Bye
Thanks for the superfast reply, actually waiting for someone to get me this phone, hopefully this week, wil try it out once I get it.
Using Clean ROM, does it just improve startup time, or does it improve performace of the phone in general ?
Do you have to re-install software after ROM update ?
jeegnesh said:
Thanks for the superfast reply, actually waiting for someone to get me this phone, hopefully this week, wil try it out once I get it.
Using Clean ROM, does it just improve startup time, or does it improve performace of the phone in general ?
Do you have to re-install software after ROM update ?
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Upgrading the OS part of a ROM cause your phone to hard reset, so yes, you'll have to reinstall everything. If, on the other hand, you upgrade any other part (GSM, Splash, ExtROM, HTC) but not the OS then you won't loose your data.
MrClean ROM and Summitter's ROM are both very fast. The latter contains cingular's customizations in extROM (they don't slow down the phone, they're mainly registry settings), some ringtones and compact framework 2.0 in ROM. If you're not a cingular user then i suggest you take the OS part from summitter's rom and the extrom from the MrClean. Then join the two parts with nb2nbf and flash to your device.
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Any reason to take Summitter's OS is it faster or something then Mr Clean ?
jeegnesh said:
Any reason to take Summitter's OS is it faster or something then Mr Clean ?
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No. Both summitter and mrclean use the same OS ROM (2.24.10 AKU2.3) hence they have the SAME, IDENTICAL speed.
The difference is that Summitter manually edited the original ROM and added a lot of ringtones, themes and, most important, the .net compact framework 2.0. If you install Summitter OS, then, you'll have the same mrclean basic OS plus a lot of goodies that don't take any space in storage since they're in ROM (compact framework 2.0 alone would take about 5mb of your precious storage if you installed it on mrclean).
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This thread needs to be a sticky!!
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ON HOW TO UNLOCK YOUR DEVICE
Ok, rather than crapping on Faria's thread, I am going to start a discussion. I am curious about the G4. Yes, I know curiousity killed the cat. So far, reading the forums we have some people with G4's that can upgrade no problem, some that had to CID unlock to get certain roms to load (Faria's), and some that even after CID unlocking the ROMs will not load the extended rom. Personally, I fall in the last category.
Now, here is what had made me curious: So far, most IPL/SPL I have seen posted about is 2.21.0001 for the G4. Mine, on the other hand is 2.25.0001. So, for thos that have G4s, make a post about your IPL/SPL, if you had to CID unlock, HOW you unlocked, and your measure of success. Faria and I were discussing the possiblity that more is tied to the IPL/SPL than on the G3s. Or they are using tighter security. So if we have people with IPLs of 2.21.0001 that can load the full ROM after CID unlocking, and those that have 2.25.0001 that get the OS, but not the extended rom..it gives us a clue.
cptcafne said:
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ON HOW TO UNLOCK YOUR DEVICE
Ok, rather than crapping on Faria's thread, I am going to start a discussion. I am curious about the G4. Yes, I know curiousity killed the cat. So far, reading the forums we have some people with G4's that can upgrade no problem, some that had to CID unlock to get certain roms to load (Faria's), and some that even after CID unlocking the ROMs will not load the extended rom. Personally, I fall in the last category.
Now, here is what had made me curious: So far, most IPL/SPL I have seen posted about is 2.21.0001 for the G4. Mine, on the other hand is 2.25.0001. So, for thos that have G4s, make a post about your IPL/SPL, if you had to CID unlock, HOW you unlocked, and your measure of success. Faria and I were discussing the possiblity that more is tied to the IPL/SPL than on the G3s. Or they are using tighter security. So if we have people with IPLs of 2.21.0001 that can load the full ROM after CID unlocking, and those that have 2.25.0001 that get the OS, but not the extended rom..it gives us a clue.
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I have a G4
I am
IPL 2.17.0001
SPL 2.17.0001
GSM 02.07.10
OS 2.17.7.2
I am still CID locked, and have not attempted to perform any ROM upgrades yet
I want to CID unlock my device so that i can do a rom backup to the SD card before attempting any kind of ROM upgrades.
How did you unlock your G4 device?
d0ug said:
I have a G4
I am
IPL 2.17.0001
SPL 2.17.0001
GSM 02.07.10
OS 2.17.7.2
How did you unlock your G4 device?
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Imei website. search for it
imei did it for me
IPL/SPL = 2.17.0001 which means I have a G4.
I ended up paying for unlocking at the imei website but it did the trick and solved my issues where previously i could only get the Mr Clean ROM upgrade to work. Other ROMs would only update the splash screen and the Extension ROM.
Yesterday I successfully updated to Faria's latest RC1 ROM with no issues.
cptcafne said:
Imei website. search for it
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Thanks, I knew of the site, I just wasnt sure if it was a CID unlock or only SIM unlock. There was a post this morning about it only being a SIM unlock.
I got a CID-LOCKED G4:
IPL 2.21.0001
SPL 2.21.0001
OS 2.26.10.2
GSM 02.25.11
I succesfully installed:
RUU_Molski.Biz_226102_22610105_022511_G4_WWE-30MB
RUU_Molski.Biz_226102_22610105_022511_G4_WWE
Couldn't install:
RUU_Molski.Biz_AKU2.3-226102_22610105_024711_WWE-G4-30MB-CF2
Installer said something about compatibility issues
Didn't dare trying to install Faria new rom yet.
IPL/SPL 2.25.0001
CID locked G4
Extension ROM locked and empty after a failed flash with the official 2.25 ROM on HTC site, can't get anything to install into it. I've since learned to live with it and hope Cingular/HTC will release a newer ROM update that will fix this issue. I'm actually looking into upgrading to a 8525 but those suckers are a bit pricey at the moment so staying with my 8125 for now.
My G4 with bootloader 2.16.0001 had unlock with imei-check.co.uk. You can do it at the same site for 20GBP and U can successfully install any ROM (shipped or custom) without bootloader (I mean IPL/SPL). I recommended to stay in your current latest version of official ROM's bootloader and you will not have any issue.
Nishad
evilito said:
IPL/SPL 2.25.0001
CID locked G4
Extension ROM locked and empty after a failed flash with the official 2.25 ROM on HTC site, can't get anything to install into it. I've since learned to live with it and hope Cingular/HTC will release a newer ROM update that will fix this issue. I'm actually looking into upgrading to a 8525 but those suckers are a bit pricey at the moment so staying with my 8125 for now.
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That is exactly what happened to me!! Tried the HTC rom, and it killed my extended rom. crap. ok so HTC did this to us. I wonder how many other members tried the "official" rom and it crashed, therefore have not been able to get any extended rom loaded.
Same issue here with the extended ROM and 2.25.0001
The shipped ROM for cingular 8125 would fail.
Had to cook my own ROM and manually put the Extended_ROM folder in root and run the AutoRun.exe from phone to load it.
I was trying to find the way, how to cook a ROM, whitch will work on CID-locked Wizards and I thing: On CID locked phones we can flash only ROMs with nono edited os.nb without IPL/SPL
Example:
I have had a 2.21 ROM a I was able to flash 2.26.10.2 ROM without any changes.
If a decrasing the Pagepool, the the ROM was not working on CID locked
cptcafne,
I am sure you have seen my posts in faria's thread, but I will add my woes to this thread as well.
I have a 2.25.0001 G4 Wizard.
After doing the CID Unlocking through IMEI, I attempted to load faria's beta 4 rom. The ext rom has never installed for me. I think I might have tried installing the rom image from the htc website over the rom that shipped since I thought the HTC rom was newer (I was wrong). I belive this locked my ext rom from the get go. After testing it, I wanted to go back to the cingular 2.25 offcial rom to have a stable base to install the RC1. However, I got when re flashing the 2.25 rom I receive the invalid nb.nkf error message.
If Broken has cooked is own extended rom which has worked on his G4, perhaps a seperate G4 ext rom file is the resolution that faria should seek if there is no success in automating the process in the flash.
I wonder if the locking of the ext rom is an HTC or Cingular thing. Either way I wonder if they have the ability to tell us how to unlock the ext rom?
G4 unlocked by IMEI
IPL/SPL 2.16.0001
Radio 2.47.11
ROM 3.0.0.0 WWE
Faria's 8mb ROM installed without any problems (including the ExtROM) been running OK for about a week and only the occasional soft reset.
Installed over wizard Love 2.26 ROM
hello,
G4 Not unlocked :
IPL/SPL 2.17.0001
No rom upgrade possible
G4 2.17.0001
Qtek 9100
IPL/SPL 2.17.0001
CID unlocked by the IMEI UK site.
Running the latest 3.0.0 RC1 Faria ROM - no issues with the upgrade.
Prior to CID unlock I could only upgrade the splash screen and the ExtROM.
I haven't had the nerve to attempt an IPL/SPL upgrade - not even sure what benefits it would bring.
In this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249359&highlight=unlock+extended+rom) there is a way to unlock the extended Rom. However when I do this, all I see is the cingular ext rom files that are installed during the "customization" process. I am wondering if Cingular is in fact locking the ext rom so that no matter what ROM is flashed the ext rom will always contain the Cingular programs and files that were shipped with the phone.
I have yet to see a user with an IPL/SPL of 2.25.0001 be able to install any ext roms.
Jason
fla242 said:
hello,
G4 Not unlocked :
IPL/SPL 2.17.001
No rom upgrade possible
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are you sure your device is G4????? cuz ipl spl are ends with .001 not .0001
Awais said:
are you sure your device is G4????? cuz ipl spl are ends with .001 not .0001
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Just to clarify, G4 devices have an IPL/SPL of 2.xx.0001. If the IPL/SPL do not appear in that format when you reset your device than you have a G3 device.
jpryor said:
cptcafne,
I am sure you have seen my posts in faria's thread, but I will add my woes to this thread as well.
I have a 2.25.0001 G4 Wizard.
After doing the CID Unlocking through IMEI, I attempted to load faria's beta 4 rom. The ext rom has never installed for me. I think I might have tried installing the rom image from the htc website over the rom that shipped since I thought the HTC rom was newer (I was wrong). I belive this locked my ext rom from the get go. After testing it, I wanted to go back to the cingular 2.25 offcial rom to have a stable base to install the RC1. However, I got when re flashing the 2.25 rom I receive the invalid nb.nkf error message.
If Broken has cooked is own extended rom which has worked on his G4, perhaps a seperate G4 ext rom file is the resolution that faria should seek if there is no success in automating the process in the flash.
I wonder if the locking of the ext rom is an HTC or Cingular thing. Either way I wonder if they have the ability to tell us how to unlock the ext rom?
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Yeah, that is what looks like happened. so far from what I seen on the boards, if someone tried to install the HTC Update and it failed, then the ext rom was locked. or even removed, I am not sure.
Jpryor said:
In this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...extended+ rom) there is a way to unlock the extended Rom. However when I do this, all I see is the cingular ext rom files that are installed during the "customization" process. I am wondering if Cingular is in fact locking the ext rom so that no matter what ROM is flashed the ext rom will always contain the Cingular programs and files that were shipped with the phone.
I have yet to see a user with an IPL/SPL of 2.25.0001 be able to install any ext roms.
Jason
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Are you sure ? I could have sworn that some members with 2.25.0001 were able to install custom roms completely. Can anyone confirm this for us ?
I have a G4, and the original IPL/SPL was 2.25.0001. I tried all the free options to CID unlock (they worked for SIM unlock), but not worked. So I paid the £20 to IMEI-Check for the unlock key. With that I fully CID unlocked my device.
I installed the stock T-Mobile USA 2.26 ROM, and now my IPL/SPL is 2.26.0001. (I switched carriers from Cingular to T-Mobile, but prefer the 8125's keyboard to the MDA's, so I wanted to keep my existing device.)
I just upgraded my QTEK 9100 with the latest RIsidoro rom and have now a 2.26 OS but...always an ipl 1.03 and a spl 1.03.0000.
The device hangs and I can't have any activsync runnuing to reflash to an other version. How can I recuperate my PPC?
Thanks in advance
sailors_be said:
I just upgraded my QTEK 9100 with the latest RIsidoro rom and have now a 2.26 OS but...always an ipl 1.03 and a spl 1.03.0000.
The device hangs and I can't have any activsync runnuing to reflash to an other version. How can I recuperate my PPC?
Thanks in advance
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To get you started have a look at these threads:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=263116
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282498
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284292
More info required.
When having problems with Rom Upgrades you really need to provide as much information as possible about your situation.
Please state the following:
What Rom did you have prior to upgrading, include IPL/SPL numbers.
Do you know if your device is G3 or G4 flash chip?
Is your device CID Unlocked?
Have your read (thoroughly) the instructions provided for the Rom you attempted to upgrade?
My initial guess would be that the Rom you flashed doesn't include IPL/SPL (as Risidoro clearly states in the Original Post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276700)
In this case, you need to flash one of the Operator provided AKU 2.x Roms to get your IPL/SPL up to 2.x BEFORE you flash Risidoro's Rom to your device.
Thank you for you reaction
Before flashing I had following situation
IPL 1.03
SPL 1.03.0000
GSM 1.410.0
OS 1.37.10
I didn't saw the thread wher it said that the isodoro flash wasn't a complete one. So I upgraded the device with this rom on the above config
After flashing with Isodoro I have same IPL and SPL no GSM anymore and OS 2.26...
I have no USB connection anymore, I supose I can not flash anymore. The device is extremely slow. The only rescue I see is eventualy to flash the device again with the mini SD.
Before I started the first flash I did a CID unlock. Actualy i don't now if it is locked again.
If tou need more info don't hesitate and thanks for helping.
I'm going to give you some general info but you will have to do your own leg work to put this together.
The Wizard Wiki will contain some of the information you need:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
Also see the stickied posts at the beginning of the Wizard upgrading forum.
I am assuming that your device is not properly CID Unlocked (although it may be doing it again will not harm your device).
First you will need to download an Operator Rom, I would suggest this one:
ftp://xda:[email protected]_Prodigy_1060701_101_11310_QTEK_WWE_Ship.exe
as it is an official Qtek AKU 1.x Rom.
Second place your Device into Bootloader Mode (search on it) and run the update that you downloaded.
At this point you are pretty close to where you were when you started.
Now, CID Unlock your Phone! Use this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249474
If you have followed the instructions and everything went okay then you can now flash any of the Roms you (except one that are marked as G4 only since you appear to have a G3 Device).
sailors_be said:
Thank you for you reaction
Before flashing I had following situation
IPL 1.03
SPL 1.03.0000
GSM 1.410.0
OS 1.37.10
I didn't saw the thread wher it said that the isodoro flash wasn't a complete one. So I upgraded the device with this rom on the above config
After flashing with Isodoro I have same IPL and SPL no GSM anymore and OS 2.26...
I have no USB connection anymore, I supose I can not flash anymore. The device is extremely slow. The only rescue I see is eventualy to flash the device again with the mini SD.
Before I started the first flash I did a CID unlock. Actualy i don't now if it is locked again.
If tou need more info don't hesitate and thanks for helping.
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Looks like you flashed a 2.xx rom with no bootloader into a 1.xx system.
First try a full 2.xx rom from a carrier (cingular 2.25 comes to mind) then reflash the rom you want. Be careful playing with the phone in the current state as the battery will drain and not re-charge. I had to have a friend charge my battery for me when I did this same thing.
many thanks
I followed the procedure you give and recuperated my phone.
Thanks a lot for the assistance.
Merry christmas and happy new year
Jean-Michel
I have seen some roms posted as "rom for G4" the question is, can I install that to my wizard.
I did all the things that I was asked, when I determined what my wizard was (g3) and unblocked cid succesfully (tested).
In this case I want a Rom in sapnish theta has been posted as for G4, do y take the risk?
Thanks!
Sure you can install the ROM into G4 Wizard if the "rom for G4" does not contain IPL/SPL.
Yes, you can flash a G4 ROM on a G3. There is actually no such thing as a G4 ROM, just a G4 flashable ROM which means that it doesn't contain an IPL, SPL or extended ROM which can destroy a G4 device. Since you have a G3 you can flash any wizard ROM you want.
xeno1 said:
Yes, you can flash a G4 ROM on a G3. There is actually no such thing as a G4 ROM, just a G4 flashable ROM which means that it doesn't contain an IPL, SPL or extended ROM which can destroy a G4 device. Since you have a G3 you can flash any wizard ROM you want.
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Well, there's still some risk that the nk.nbf can contain only IPL/SPL for G4
The best thing is to use ShellTool or WST that let you know what is inside a nk.nbf... better safe than sorry
Thanxs
Thanxs guys, I will try it out!
OK, I didn't realize that anyone was sticking the G4 IPL/SPL files in their cooked roms. If those files are included and flashed to a G3 phone, wouldn't it just ignore them the way it does when they are included in an official ROM? I assumed that during a flash a G3 device would ignore the IPL/SPL files marked as 2 (90000000-IPL_2).
xeno1 said:
OK, I didn't realize that anyone was sticking the G4 IPL/SPL files in their cooked roms. If those files are included and flashed to a G3 phone, wouldn't it just ignore them the way it does when they are included in an official ROM? I assumed that during a flash a G3 device would ignore the IPL/SPL files marked as 2 (90000000-IPL_2).
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I don't know any chef including IPL/SPL in their releases. Last one i saw doing that was Molski with his WM5 aku 2 and 3.
I think bootloader is prepared to check if the files to be flashed are good to be used or not but what about older bootloaders? When there was no G4? Anyone tested it to see if they recognize the difference?
I may have to try that out and see now that I have a kaiser and my wizard is just going to be my test phone. I was up all night trying to get a rom to flash though that I was having problems with so it may be a day or 2 before I decide to start flashing again.