Hi Alcaline, I just want to verify: I have run spl-backup.bat but there is only one file written of 256kb. This cannot be okay. I expect the backup file should be much bigger. As you might have guessed I am preparing for uploading the WM6.1 ROM. First I want to have a good backup. By the way I have run the Application Unlocker first.
256kb is most likely correct.
SPL's are not that large.
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I'm just starting to get into the depths of my PDA2K and this site is GREAT!!!!!!! Since I'm just one step up from "The Village Idiot", I have a couple questions for all you pros.
After reading about using the extended ROM, and unlocking it and seeing what's in there, I think I've figured it out. Whatever CABs are listed in the config file will be installed upon a hard reset....correct? If true, and since I have only 3.5MB left in Ex ROM, can I put the other CABs I wanted installed in say /storage/CABs, list them in the config file and upon a hard reset they will be installed? Is there any reason to put them into Extended ROM rather than Storage? Is it alright to put CABs in from like games, Resco Explorer, WebIS Mail, etc.? Lastly is there a way to set the programs up where I don't have to go back and enter all the registration numbers again?
Thanks a ton for your help!!!
Tom
In extended rom they are not taking up your precious storage space on the device.
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In extended rom they are not taking up your precious storage space on the device.
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is it possible then to keep the installation cabs on storage card,
and also, can that path be set in the config file in ext rom?
what happens if a particular cab is not found after hard reset?
is the installation stuck or it just gives a warning and keeps on going to the next cab listed in the list.
Have a read of this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=83119#83119
It might be a bit to deep but should help you along the way.
1) You can keep a cab anywere you want
2) make sure your cab is read only as it can delete itsself after install.
3) to run a auto install from a differnet storage place you need to hack the reg (see thread).
In all if you have a sd card you could leave your EXt rom empty.
Hack the reg to the new postion and run the Autorun from there.
Have fun
Thanks for all the infor everyone! From what I've read in other threads I need to make sure that TPdisabled is set to off so that when programs like WebIS Mail and SplashID get installed I can touch the screen to make sure they install into the right place and other things. Correct? If this is correct, should I just remove TPdisabled all together?
Thanks again,
Tom
TPdisabled can't be set off, its either run or not run. So dump it and you wont have a problem
MDAIIIUser - Thanks for the link! I looked at it and you're right, it's pretty indepth and I'll have to read it more closely at a later time....like at work.
Question1: leochan2005 had a follow-up saying "why not use backup"? While I agree this would be easier, I'm assuming that by using your method one would get a much "cleaner" install than backing up all the crap that was on the system prior to the hard reset...correct?
Question2: It took me a long time to get my TMo settings setup on my PDA2K and I don't want to go thru that again. Is there a way to backup those settings so that they can be auto-configured at a later time? I read about making a personalsettings.CAB but haven't done it yet.
Thanks,
Tom
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TPdisabled can't be set off, its either run or not run. So dump it and you wont have a problem
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Thanks! I take it it should be at the beginning of the config file so that I can access it. Correct?
q1)
Well the short of "why not use backup" is you can if you feel that:
1) Restoring Regedit values from a lower rom version
2) Restoring system applications form a lower rom version such as BT
are called for, wanted or even needed.
I fail to see that point as a upgrade is an upgrade and a backup is a backup. Now you could do a restore of your system data also (which you could also sync and that would be clean
Q2)
Most fo those settings are part of T-mobile.cabs found in Extrom, the rest would have been reg entries that you are going to have to hunt for and copy.
So sorry no way around reading the other thread (personalsettings.CAB)
MDAIIIUser - Maybe I should state what I'm trying to accomplish and you could give me a clue as to how to do it. A couple days ago I upgraded by BT on my PDA2K (generic from Expansys) to 1.0.0.3900 (or what ever the latest is) and I'm currently looking at upgrading my radio to 1.12, but that would require a hard reset. I'm not in the mood to go thru all the program installs and SMS/MMS tweaking again, so I'm trying to figure out the best way to get all my programs and configurations back after the hard reset. I thought by incorporating the personalsettings.cab (for my Tmo settings) and your method I would be up and running pretty quickly. Yes? I have Sprite Backup, but I'm not sure if that's going to overwrite anything after the radio upgrade????
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Well my logic (that could be wrong) would say that a restore of your backup would get you to were you are now.
That you would need a restore as you have to do a hard reset after the 1.12 radion install.
But I can't answer the question will the radio be restored as well,
I don't know, I don't know the settings in the backup application, so am sorry I will have to let somebody else answer this one.
I have a wizard (qtek 9100) with the latest german rom, a2dp enabled wifi g mode enabled, overclocked constantly to 240, softskey installed and some more...
all in all, the device runs soomth, and works quite well...
Recently I stumbled upon a website or post somwhere describing a method to release some "hidden" storage memory...
I missed to bookmark the page and can't recall where the heck it was...
maybe it was just some dream wishful thinking and all.
but I still believe that I've read about that...
it's just a few megs... but any little bit helps (btw I use a 2GB sandisk minisd as main document storage...)
thanks
I believe you're talking about the extended_rom (10MB) which was only writable in ROMs with IPL/SPL below 1.06 (excluded)
There are registry tweaks to unhide that partition or my tool (see signature) who does it automatically
The only way to get those 10MB is to sacrifice the extended_rom files (used upon hard-reset) by creating your own 10MB FAT16 image with the files of your choice and then flash it with a RAPI tool. But you won't be able to edit them, only read...
cheers
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I believe you're talking about the extended_rom (10MB) which was only writable in ROMs with IPL/SPL below 1.06 (excluded)
The only way to get those 10MB is to sacrifice the extended_rom files (used upon hard-reset) by creating your own 10MB FAT16 image with the files of your choice and then flash it with a RAPI tool. But you won't be able to edit them, only read...
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oh thanks...
well I must have gotten it wrong, as I really just quickly read it inbetween to business events that day... and it has bugged me ever since as I thought "damn 10 more megs"
whatever
thanks again
I have been wanting to try out some of the newer ROMs out there, but I also have my WM5 ROM nice and customized (and working).
Is there a way to make a ROM dump of my current config, which is flashable back to my Wizard via RUU?
This method would save TONS of time as an RUU ROM update only takes 5-6 minutes as opposed to flashing a ROM and restoring a backup and hoping all went well.
In summary, I want to:
1. Make an OS ROM dump
2. Convert the dump to an OS.nb file
3. Flash the newly created OS.nb file to my Wizard
I think this method would make backup apps pointless, as in 5 mins you could be back up and running without worry.
Is it possible?
Thanks,
Lowkee
lowkee said:
I have been wanting to try out some of the newer ROMs out there, but I also have my WM5 ROM nice and customized (and working).
Is there a way to make a ROM dump of my current config, which is flashable back to my Wizard via RUU?
This method would save TONS of time as an RUU ROM update only takes 5-6 minutes as opposed to flashing a ROM and restoring a backup and hoping all went well.
In summary, I want to:
1. Make an OS ROM dump
2. Convert the dump to an OS.nb file
3. Flash the newly created OS.nb file to my Wizard
I think this method would make backup apps pointless, as in 5 mins you could be back up and running without worry.
Is it possible?
Thanks,
Lowkee
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NO. I don't think it's possible because the personal settings aren't stored in the OS partition. In fact the OS partition is only used upon boot, when it's loaded to RAM; after that the systems runs completely from RAM.
So you'd have to backup the ROM and also the User Area, which is possible except about the writing part; The UA isn't mapped in the boot loader, meaning the RUU couldn't know where to flash it to and when using a RAPI tool like pdocwrite after writing the UA the phone executes an hard-reset (cleaning all the info )
Hi guys,
If I want to download software for the tilt, do I do that directly into the tilt or I have to do it first into my laptop?
Most software you can just download onto the Tilt. Cabs can be installed simply by clicking on them in File Explorer or Total Commander or whatever you are using to look at the file system. RAR files will need to be uncompressed first. I would suggest dumping that silly Zip program that comes on the Tilt (I only had trouble with it) and just going to rarlabs.com to get PocketRAR since it's free and works really well.
Edit: Oh, ROMs are a different story. Since you aren't sure about how to install basic programs, I strongly suggest you avoid ROMs altogether for the time being. Do some reading through the stickies if you think you might want to look into ROM flashing.
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Most software you can just download onto the Tilt. Cabs can be installed simply by clicking on them in File Explorer or Total Commander or whatever you are using to look at the file system. RAR files will need to be uncompressed first. I would suggest dumping that silly Zip program that comes on the Tilt (I only had trouble with it) and just going to rarlabs.com to get PocketRAR since it's free and works really well.
Edit: Oh, ROMs are a different story. Since you aren't sure about how to install basic programs, I strongly suggest you avoid ROMs altogether for the time being. Do some reading through the stickies if you think you might want to look into ROM flashing.
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yeah, the wiki would be a good place to start for sure
I hope this is not too noob'ish a question:
What is the advantage of
1. installing (most of) your programs in a ROM,
vs.
2 having a rather clean/small ROM, and installing (a lot of) CABS afterwards?
I know 1. is a bit easier.
But is there any difference in performance?
I would say that you can't install anything into the ROM
That's why they use the ROM to fill it with the "cookers" special needs
The Advantage of Rom Installed Software:
You don't have to manually install it after a Hard Reset of Flash. Enough said on that, it saves you some time.
The Disadvantages of Rom Installed Software:
Uses Rom Memory for the original copy of files and Storage memory for anything that must be moved as part of initial setup. So anything that can't simply stay in Windows folder is duplicated elsewhere. For example if you prefer to have your programs in folders under the Program Files Folder then a program that uses 1mb will use 1mb of Rom memory and then when it is copied (remember you can't really delete Rom Files) it will use 1mb of Storage Memory also for a total of 2mb of used memory.
Can't uninstall original version when an upgraded version is avaliable. Sure the Rom file can be marked as deleted so they aren't listed in File Explorer anymore but they are rom files so you don't free-up any space.
More files in your Windows Folder. While the affect this has on our devices isn't 100% clear we do know that it slows opening the windows folder and I believe that it does cause a general slowdown in the device's overall functioning. This is why I prefer to have programs installed to their own folders.
The Advantages of Manually Installed Software:
Saves Rom Memory which increases Storage Memory. Basically since you have everything in Storage Memory you aren't paying extra for anything as nothing took any Rom Memory.
Can uninstall original version when an upgraded version is avaliable. Yes, since everything was installed into Storage Memory you can actually deleted the files to upgrade thus saving Memory.
Fewer files in your Windows Folder. While the affect this has on our devices isn't 100% clear we do know that it speeds-up opening the windows folder and I believe that it does affect the device's overall functioning. This is why I prefer to have programs installed to their own folders.
The Disadvantage of Manually Installed Software:
You have to manually install it after a Hard Reset of Flash. Enough said on that, it costs you some time. UC Compliant Roms can overcome this.
Well, as some cooks report: there seems to be an extra advantage of installing into ROM: everything seems to work a little smoother and faster. Don't know how or why exactly but has to do something with the after-installing process which makes the device less stabile.
Experiments have shown that of you take a full ROM vs. a lite ROM with the extra's from the full ROM installed afterwards, the full ROM is faster and more stabile.
Kyphur: I believe the second red and green titles are wrong? (I believe yoe mean Cab Installed Software?)
One of the reason that loading windows up with files slows everything down is because the are all paged & cached, depending on the settings. Once the device catches up, it's not as noticable.
Storage card Files cannot be paged like the cooked in files. That's why some programs will add .exe & .dll resources to \windows even though themajority of the files are indeed installed to the SD card.
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Storage card Files cannot be paged like the cooked in files. That's why some programs will add .exe & .dll resources to \windows even though themajority of the files are indeed installed to the SD card.
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I don't install to my storage card anymore. Why would I do that when I start out with over 160mb of free Storage memory?
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I don't install to my storage card anymore. Why would I do that when I start out with over 160mb of free Storage memory?
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No, I don't either. But also with installing on the device there seems to be some (speed)difference in ROM installing and CAB-installing.
I'm with Kyphur on this one. The less I have in the ROM, the better because software is constantly changing, being upgraded, etc. Also, I find a lot of times my needs vary and I don't require so much "stuff" on my ROMs, so w/ the XDA-Live approach, I have the freedom to only install what I need. I guess it's a matter of preference really. Sure there are technical differences, both they are overcome either way, so it just comes down to what you like better.
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Experiments have shown that of you take a full ROM vs. a lite ROM with the extra's from the full ROM installed afterwards, the full ROM is faster and more stabile.
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Ok ... thanks!
- Do you by any chance have a link to such a benchmark?
- Does that also go for ROMs you cook yourself (with Alex' Kitchen)?
How to actually mark as deleted files in ROM?
Hello, this is an interesting thread, and I also hope you guys know more on this, since you're explaining the concept (and I also searched for a solution, but sorry, didn't find, I might have not used the proper keywords for searching):
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Sure the Rom file can be marked as deleted so they aren't listed in File Explorer anymore but they are rom files so you don't free-up any space.
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So I flashed Dutty's Official WM6.1 5.2.19716 UC RTM (but which ROM it is, doesn't really matter) as my question is related to "deleting" (or at least marking as deleted) ROM files. My problem is, I want to delete \Windows\Long Send.lnk because I don't like the Comm Manager show up when holding the green Send key during a call, while I'm expecting the phone to go into speakerphone mode like used from many other phones (even my Sagem cordless at home behaves this way). The folks in this ROM's thread suggested to delete that shortcut file (which is what I think they know right if they hadn't omitted the fact that the file is in ROM), but none of the in ROM or read-only attributes can be changed with Total Commander, so I can't "delete" it. Now I understand it's supposed to be just marked as deleted as it is "in ROM", so it is supposed to survive a hard reset, but how can I mark it deleted for the time being (next ROM upgrade for example, or hard-reset)?.
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Ok ... thanks!
- Do you by any chance have a link to such a benchmark?
- Does that also go for ROMs you cook yourself (with Alex' Kitchen)?
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No I don't have a benchmark of this. But then again: the current benchmarks (SPB and VS Benchmark) aren't that reliable.
I remember one cook from the Hermes device (maybe it was Pandora) made a ultra-lite version with an option to autorun everything afterwards with cabs.
This ROM wasn't as fast and snappy as the original full ROM. I think he quitted developing the ROM further.
Don't know if it's always true that everything's worse installing with cabs, it was just something a remembered from the past.
(by the way: I also install a lot from cabs...)
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I'm with Kyphur on this one. The less I have in the ROM, the better because software is constantly changing, being upgraded, etc. Also, I find a lot of times my needs vary and I don't require so much "stuff" on my ROMs, so w/ the XDA-Live approach, I have the freedom to only install what I need. I guess it's a matter of preference really. Sure there are technical differences, both they are overcome either way, so it just comes down to what you like better.
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the ROMs change too, and not slower than the softwares
calvinzhang said:
the ROMs change too, and not slower than the softwares
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But flashing every week a new ROM is not for everyone. The possibility to flash once in a while is cool and good enough for lots of people, but doesn't have to become the main occupation
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But flashing every week a new ROM is not for everyone. The possibility to flash once in a while is cool and good enough for lots of people, but doesn't have to become the main occupation
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That's what "UC" is for! Auto Install all of your apps. Just remember to keep the cab files updated.
For me, one of the biggest advantage of full rom is I save a lot of time in doing backup since the files in the rom already.
Another advantage of full rom is they don't need to store any files under \Windows\AppMgr since they can't be uninstall anyway.
To overcome the bad effects of full rom. I tend to consider the following when putting programs in my full rom.
1. File can be run under \Windows
2. Programs that don't change that often, or doesn't need the latest version.