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I have to say after having both phones for the last month I'm not that impressed with the Kaiser.
The lack of accelerated drivers alone is a disappointment.
Other things I don't like are:
No Infrared - I'm not sure what the justification for removing this is.. ok it may save a few pence off the cost - and maybe not many people use it.. but for those of us that do its an annoyance.
Keyboard is worse than the TyTN in every way, it feels worse and definitly doesn't work as well. It misses out more keypresses than the TyTN ever did. (I appreciate this could well be a ROM issue but i've tried a few and they all do it.)
Screen presses are ignored a LOT.. compared to the TyTN its absolutly hellish having to whack the screen sometimes for it to respond.
No light (ok it was crap for flash anyways but it was useful with VJCandela as a torch)
Autofocus isn't any better at focussing, its just slower. It's better for macro shots definitly.. and you dont have to manually twist the lever on the back of the phone.. but it certainly isnt up to sony ericsson AF camera standards.
The softkeys are absolutly stupid, if you have big fingers you press start call or end call half the time instead of the softkey purely because of the ridge that runs round the top of the softkeys from the call buttons being too high.
The internal softkeys are also now in a stupid place to make way for the blindingly bright caps lock lights that were not needed..
The phone slides the wrong way making it incompatible with cases and some accessories for the TyTN as well as frustrating to use for a TyTN user.
The stylus is crap compared to the extending one on the TyTN, and again means I cant use the spare ones id bought for the TyTN..
The extra memory and flash space are very nice.. and the GPS is fantastic.. but I'd rather have those 2 features alone bolted onto the hermes hardware..
Way to go HTC.. alienate one of the biggest markets.. I certainly wont be upgrading again in the future before I have a good look at competitors devices..
Some of your points on the touchscreen responsiveness etc are fair, but I think the design and overall build quality of the Kaiser beats the Hermes. The tilting screen is a really nice improvement, and while I can see how the change in orientation might be difficult for some Hermes owners to adjust to, I don't see how it's in any way inferior - just different. I prefer the solid stylus to an extending version too.
It's much better having all the buttons grouped together IMO - everything's within easy reach. I have (I'd say) moderate size fingers, and have no problem there.
Both camera and keyboard performance could be improved, but I think we're getting into the whole, wider driver issue there. I think the Kaiser still has the potential to be much improved, and I'm vaguely hopeful that those improvements will come.
sambartle said:
I have to say after having both phones for the last month I'm not that impressed with the Kaiser.
The lack of accelerated drivers alone is a disappointment.
Other things I don't like are:
No Infrared - I'm not sure what the justification for removing this is.. ok it may save a few pence off the cost - and maybe not many people use it.. but for those of us that do its an annoyance.
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Its an ancient technology that has been surpassed by both bluetooth and wifi, what could you possibly need to use infrared for these days?
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Keyboard is worse than the TyTN in every way, it feels worse and definitly doesn't work as well. It misses out more keypresses than the TyTN ever did. (I appreciate this could well be a ROM issue but i've tried a few and they all do it.)
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I find the keyboard on the Kaiser, sooo much better than on the Hermes, with the Hermes I actually used the onscreen keyboard instead, it was that bad. The kaiser now has a very usable keyboard that is finally comparable with my P990i. With the only exception being the space-bar, which for some reason can press twice (left and right) which is slightly annoying.
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Screen presses are ignored a LOT.. compared to the TyTN its absolutly hellish having to whack the screen sometimes for it to respond.
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I don't have an issue with this at all, screen seems to be the same as it was on the Hermes, perhaps take a look at KaiserTweak, there's a setting in there I think.
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No light (ok it was crap for flash anyways but it was useful with VJCandela as a torch)
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Agree with you here, a light would have been nice, but only for using it as a torch, useless for taking photos.
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Autofocus isn't any better at focussing, its just slower. It's better for macro shots definitly.. and you dont have to manually twist the lever on the back of the phone.. but it certainly isnt up to sony ericsson AF camera standards.
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I don't really take many pictures, and even less since the camera (due to driver issue) is so bad on the Kaiser, but I will agree, that compared to my P990i, the autofocus is poor.
The softkeys are absolutly stupid, if you have big fingers you press start call or end call half the time instead of the softkey purely because of the ridge that runs round the top of the softkeys from the call buttons being too high.
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The internal softkeys are also now in a stupid place to make way for the blindingly bright caps lock lights that were not needed..
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I think the complete opposite, I always used to catch them stupid softkeys on the Hermes keyboard, so I am happy they've been moved now
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The phone slides the wrong way making it incompatible with cases and some accessories for the TyTN as well as frustrating to use for a TyTN user.
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I prefer having the d-pad on the left (even though I'm right handed), and thus have no issue with the sliding of the phone, it doesn't take long to get used to, and I don't own any accessories affected by this.
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The stylus is crap compared to the extending one on the TyTN, and again means I cant use the spare ones id bought for the TyTN..
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FINALLY, HTC did something good, got rid of that god-damn awful stylus from the Hermes, that was the worst stylus I'd ever used. P990i and Kaiser, have much better non-extending ones.
I have to disagree with the OP.
The Kaiser is heads and tails and improvement over the Hermes.
Agreed, the keyboard is one step down in some respects, but umm...that is about it.
It is a solid device with a high end feel. The Tytn is the VW of smartphones, Kaiser is when you walked across the parking lot to the Audi dealership
sambartle said:
I have to say after having both phones for the last month I'm not that impressed with the Kaiser.
The lack of accelerated drivers alone is a disappointment.
Other things I don't like are:
No Infrared - I'm not sure what the justification for removing this is.. ok it may save a few pence off the cost - and maybe not many people use it.. but for those of us that do its an annoyance.
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Like posted before me, it's an ancient technology. Why IR when you have bluetooth? Plus, you knew about the phone not having IR, so, technically, it's your fault for buying the device and complaining about not having an IR.
Keyboard is worse than the TyTN in every way, it feels worse and definitly doesn't work as well. It misses out more keypresses than the TyTN ever did. (I appreciate this could well be a ROM issue but i've tried a few and they all do it.)
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I don't use the built-in keyboard much so I can't comment much but the times I have used it, I have felt no difference between 8525 and Tilt.
Screen presses are ignored a LOT.. compared to the TyTN its absolutly hellish having to whack the screen sometimes for it to respond.
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I do not have this problem at all.
No light (ok it was crap for flash anyways but it was useful with VJCandela as a torch)
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Never cared for it (for taking pictures or flashlight).
Autofocus isn't any better at focussing, its just slower. It's better for macro shots definitly.. and you dont have to manually twist the lever on the back of the phone.. but it certainly isnt up to sony ericsson AF camera standards.
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Agree with you there, but, then again, I have my digital camera for taking pictures.
The softkeys are absolutly stupid, if you have big fingers you press start call or end call half the time instead of the softkey purely because of the ridge that runs round the top of the softkeys from the call buttons being too high.
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No problems here!
The internal softkeys are also now in a stupid place to make way for the blindingly bright caps lock lights that were not needed..
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I am ok with the placements (better than 8525/Hermes).
The phone slides the wrong way making it incompatible with cases and some accessories for the TyTN as well as frustrating to use for a TyTN user.
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Again, you knew about the design before buying it, so, you cannot complain.
The stylus is crap compared to the extending one on the TyTN, and again means I cant use the spare ones id bought for the TyTN..
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The stylus is WAYYYYYY BETTEEERRR than the telescoping one in 8525/Hermes.
The extra memory and flash space are very nice.. and the GPS is fantastic.. but I'd rather have those 2 features alone bolted onto the hermes hardware..
Way to go HTC.. alienate one of the biggest markets.. I certainly wont be upgrading again in the future before I have a good look at competitors devices..
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I prefer having the d-pad on the left (even though I'm right handed), and thus have no issue with the sliding of the phone, it doesn't take long to get used to, and I don't own any accessories affected by this.
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Never thought about this really but now I've looked at it, the left handed D-pad when in landscape is more compatible with a gaming joypad and, as I am right handed, I dont have to shuffle the stylus around in my hand to use it!!
HTC and ergonomics...Whatever next!!
Overall I find the Kaiser an improvent on the Hermes, with a couple of notable exceptions:
-The slightly inferior keyboard (but I've adapted to it)
-The idiotic door on the mico-sd port. You need tweezers to open it. What was wrong with the spring loaded slot on the Hermes?
-The soft reset switch on the Kaiser is too close to the delicate mini USB port. It is very easy to accidentally jam the stylus into the USB port and render the phone completely worthless.
IMO the non-telescoping stylus is a HUGE improvement over the Hermes. Give it a few months and those telescoping styli become loose or end up expanding to their full length on their own for no reason. The Kaiser stylus sits nice and flush with the corner of the case, yet the 'nub' is big enough that you don't have to use tweezers or ruin your fingernails trying to dig it out of the silo.
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It is a solid device with a high end feel. The Tytn is the VW of smartphones, Kaiser is when you walked across the parking lot to the Audi dealership
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And paid more for the same car?
Sorry, I like Audi, but to me you don't get your money's worth over VW.
So I think your comparison is right on. The Tytn II, seems like it should be better, and you paid more for it, but after all is said and done, it's not really worth the extra cash.
my 8525 was free and so was my tilt so i feel the price was worth it. ha!
FWIW the Kaiser is streets ahead of the Hermes.
The Hermes was a huge leap forward from the Wizard, and the Kaiser is another leap forward again.
Of course if mine didnt scroll or actually do what I wanted when I wanted it to then I might feel differently...
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And paid more for the same car?
Sorry, I like Audi, but to me you don't get your money's worth over VW.
So I think your comparison is right on. The Tytn II, seems like it should be better, and you paid more for it, but after all is said and done, it's not really worth the extra cash.
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A3 vs GTi
no comparison (I'm sure you can guess what I drive)
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A3 vs GTi
no comparison (I'm sure you can guess what I drive)
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OH..got an A3 as my business car last trip back to the UK...Was like Sh*t off of the preverbial shovel (as we say in Yorkshire!).
Loved that week...Mmmmm!
Soz, was drooling there...
Back to my basic Murano...
Eos vs A4 Cabriolet, $7,500 less + DSG and a hard top with sunroof (no quatro option though).
Guess which I drive?
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Eos vs A4 Cabriolet, $7,500 less + DSG and a hard top with sunroof (no quatro option though).
Guess which I drive?
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SOD OFF!! hate these people with nice cars....
OOps..anyone think we have gone off topic a bit here...
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No Infrared - I'm not sure what the justification for removing this is.. ok it may save a few pence off the cost - and maybe not many people use it.. but for those of us that do its an annoyance.
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Generally I love the Kaiser (as I'm sure some know from a certain thread!) and I have no way to compare it to the Hermes. But I do have to agree on the IR thing. It was great for quick file transfers and Activesync. OK so I have now spent a day fiddling with the Kaiser and got my laptop and it working just as well over bluetooth but it was still nice as a backup incase the USB ever failed as you can't establish a new partnership over bluetooth, only IR / USB. Another thing I did use IR for was as a remote shutter release for my camera. Bit of hacking and it saved me UK£25 on buying the proper remote. So there are still applications for IR.
Also the camera flash(light). I came from the HTC Universal which had these things too.
Overall, I knew what the Kaiser had, what it didn't and made my choice with that info so I can't complain, just agreeeing with the OP on a couple of points that I can relate too.
Oh, and I drive a Vauxhall (GM) car, never bought into buying a badge! (though you could buy a Skoda, it's the same car, just a lower purchase price!)
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Generally I love the Kaiser (as I'm sure some know from a certain thread!) and I have no way to compare it to the Hermes. But I do have to agree on the IR thing. It was great for quick file transfers and Activesync. OK so I have now spent a day fiddling with the Kaiser and got my laptop and it working just as well over bluetooth but it was still nice as a backup incase the USB ever failed as you can't establish a new partnership over bluetooth, only IR / USB. Another thing I did use IR for was as a remote shutter release for my camera. Bit of hacking and it saved me UK£25 on buying the proper remote. So there are still applications for IR.
Also the camera flash(light). I came from the HTC Universal which had these things too.
Overall, I knew what the Kaiser had, what it didn't and made my choice with that info so I can't complain, just agreeeing with the OP on a couple of points that I can relate too.
Oh, and I drive a Vauxhall (GM) car, never bought into buying a badge! (though you could buy a Skoda, it's the same car, just a lower purchase price!)
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Totally agree with all your points on the Kaiser Steve, as to be honest, I TOO miss the IR for its compatibility to Vcard transfer to people with older phones.
A Skoda???
Audi A4 £23k, VW Passat £19k, Skoda Octavia £14k. Same floorpan, engine, errr everything really. Is a badge really worth £9,000?! (And the Skoda comes with a flappy paddle gearbox as standard...) Off topic...nah!
IMO the d-pad is muuuuch better than the tytn's. the only thing i was missing when i've started using Kaiser was the comm-manager button,
but with Hbutton it's no big deal to map another key to Comm-Manager.
I never liked the Email and Internet button at the top...now i'm quiet happy with all buttons in one place...
No need for flashlight...never used, and if i ever use, plamp would be enough bright i think.
And the Keyboard feels much better with the fingers...just love it...
my car: opel omega..... no further comment...
My biggest form factor nit compared to the 8125 is that the stylis needs to be retrieved from the left side while the keyboard is open, which makes it difficult to pull out if you are right handed as your left hand is in the way. On the 8125, it was in the upper right hand corner while the keyboard was out and pulling the stylis was very handy. Not sure how the 8525 was set up, but I think it was the same as the 8125, right?
Besides that, the 8125 had stereo speakers, which I sometimes used for music but really made the most difference when on a speaker phone call. And the normal 2.5" headphone jack was a plus. Why HTC does not include a USB adapter (which csot more to ship than the purchase price) is beyond me. It's like someone said, "Hey, let come up with a proprietary headphone jack so that no one can use a third party headset without buying an adapter, which we don't even sell???
Do they think they are Apple or sumthin?
I knew that would be a controversial post..
I actually agree that the D-Pad on the left is better... However.. the phones crap for playing games anyways.. and once they had ruined it on the hermes i'd have preferred it to stay how it was as I was used to it and my accessories would have worked.
I'm now wondering if the reason my screen is so poor compared to the hermes is something to do with the screen protector then if no one else sees it as a problem, I used a custom crystal-clear harder more plastic one on the hermes.. on the kaiser I used the one supplied with the phone (the crappy rubbery plastic one supplied in the box - im not sure if it comes with all tytn2's or if Orange add it), maybe that is in some way affecting the screen?
The stylus I might get used too.. but at the moment I definitely prefer the thicker one from the tytn and never had any problems with it coming loose (though I lost a few from putting them down and walking off)
Infrared is useful for all kinds of things.. I can use it to talk to older phones, older laptops for a modem connection, servers for a terminal.. all sorts of stuff. Its almost essential. I didn't actually know until the first time I tried to use it that it wasn't there!! Its a shocking ommission in my eyes.
Its like removing the dvd drive from every pc and saying yes dvd's are old you should all burn and use hddvd or bluray now.
The build quality is better, or feels it.. but I think time will tell how robust the hinge is, it certainly doesn't look as strong as the hermes fixing..
http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/hktechphooey/post.htm?id=63004110&scid=hm_bl#talkbackList
Why on Earth would someone even consider buying this "could have been good, but sucked by HTC as always" ?
Just READ before you buy. You will HAVE the 3D support missing on other devices, though maybe for 2 hours only before recharging.
I was attracted, but this a NO-NO-No for sure
EDIT: any REVIEWS based on 20 minutes usage are NOT representative.
ceevee369 said:
http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/hktechphooey/post.htm?id=63004110&scid=hm_bl#talkbackList
Why on Earth would someone even consider buying this "could have been good, but sucked by HTC as always" ?
Just READ before you buy. You will HAVE the 3D support missing on other devices, though maybe for 2 hours only before recharging.
I was attracted, but this a NO-NO-No for sure
EDIT: any REVIEWS based on 20 minutes usage are NOT representative.
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i had a 24 hours vacation and i bought my diamond at the beginning of it so i'll have time to test it (tomorrow, back to work).
so, after 24 hours with diamond in my hand and i mean this literally, it was all the time with me, made calls, sync, installed all my progs and played with it ("we" did have 4 hours brake, for sleep and recharging) i can say it shortly:
every single word in the above blog is truth! all i can add is that:
1. not working with igo8 and spb backup is a big thumb down for me. 2
2. charging from the pc with a regular usb cable is slow and rises the temperature of the whole room (just kidding but the diamond gets really warm-hot)
3. charging with athena's charger is "fast and furios" (from 30% to 100% in less than an hour, 600-700mA) and to my surprise less heating!?
4. not using the touchflow makes wonders (but we bought it for the touchflow, didn't we?).
and put my money where my mouth is, i think i'll returned tomorrow without any refunding till the pro is going to be available here. i'll hate the dimensions (back to trinity's bulky case?!) but at least i'll have something to use and not only play.
I don't care what any reviewers say. I don't need others to give me my opinion. I only really need 7 to 8 hours of battery life, and I don't need some of the feaures that waste a lot of power, so I'm definitely getting a Touch Diamond.
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I don't care what any reviewers say. I don't need others to give me my opinion. I only really need 7 to 8 hours of battery life, and I don't need some of the feaures that waste a lot of power, so I'm definitely getting a Touch Diamond.
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lol! nobody told you not to!
honestly, i would be very greatfull now if i could read this yesterday! i am sorry, i didn't. this is one of the greatest things here, in the forum: we learn one from the another (or not...).
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i had a 24 hours vacation and i bought my diamond at the beginning of it so i'll have time to test it (tomorrow, back to work).
so, after 24 hours with diamond in my hand and i mean this literally, it was all the time with me, made calls, sync, installed all my progs and played with it ("we" did have 4 hours brake, for sleep and recharging) i can say it shortly:
every single word in the above blog is truth! all i can add is that:
1. not working with igo8 and spb backup is a big thumb down for me. 2
2. charging from the pc with a regular usb cable is slow and rises the temperature of the whole room (just kidding but the diamond gets really warm-hot)
3. charging with athena's charger is "fast and furios" (from 30% to 100% in less than an hour, 600-700mA) and to my surprise less heating!?
4. not using the touchflow makes wonders (but we bought it for the touchflow, didn't we?).
and put my money where my mouth is, i think i'll returned tomorrow without any refunding till the pro is going to be available here. i'll hate the dimensions (back to trinity's bulky case?!) but at least i'll have something to use and not only play.
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so, quoting my self after a few more hours of diamond usage under my belt:
1. wrong! working with the spb backup. btw, fantastic backup with an option to unpack yr backup file. free to choose what you backup or restore.
2.&3. using the original charger and with the athena's usb cable - fast charge.
4.tweaked touchflow -great improvment
conclusion: returning the diamond? over my dead body! i love it!
what a turn-around!
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what a turn-around!
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got a fat check, 2 spare diamonds and one htc pro from htc inc. all i have to do: keep my mouth shut about the flows and yap about what a great breakthrough this gadget is. as you can easily guess i humbly accepted..
p.s. don't tell anybody else!
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so, quoting my self after a few more hours of diamond usage under my belt:
1. wrong! working with the spb backup. btw, fantastic backup with an option to unpack yr backup file. free to choose what you backup or restore.
2.&3. using the original charger and with the athena's usb cable - fast charge.
4.tweaked touchflow -great improvment
conclusion: returning the diamond? over my dead body! i love it!
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Good, you made me doubt buying it when its in stock in the UK, just have to justify it with my GF now, unfortunately she knows the high price for it and wont be impressed.
Off topic, kinda, is it a deffinate that a better battery will be released by HTC for the diamond?
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got a fat check, 2 spare diamonds and one htc pro from htc inc. all i have to do: keep my mouth shut about the flows and yap about what a great breakthrough this gadget is. as you can easily guess i humbly accepted..
p.s. don't tell anybody else!
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ROFL... that's a good one
I really have concerns about the battery, too. I guess that I probably will not use it as much on a regular basis that I would drain the battery before being able to charge it in the evening. But I guess that is the case for a lot of people and you would just want to be sure that on a day when you actually need it that it lasts...
Therefore I will go with the PRO (and because of the microSDHC slot)...
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ROFL... that's a good one
I really have concerns about the battery, too. I guess that I probably will not use it as much on a regular basis that I would drain the battery before being able to charge it in the evening. But I guess that is the case for a lot of people and you would just want to be sure that on a day when you actually need it that it lasts...
Therefore I will go with the PRO (and because of the microSDHC slot)...
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after reading a few posts here i got scared by the battery life as described here. what i found out:
1. there is a sudden fall from 100% to 80%. it's fast. after this everything went normal and i did mange to see the end of the day without a recharge. no 3g, and only 5 minutes of wifi.
2. i spend enough time in my car or in my office to keep the beast feed. how much time do we real spend far from an outlet/car??? not too much so no worry. of course i'll buy the extended battery!
3. charging from the pc is a pain in the but. so i tried the "special" fast charge usb cable i stole from my htc athena. wow! fast and COOL charge. if you don't have one you can made one as described in my "how to" at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387531, post no 6.
4. the memory tweak is good and efficient. the "turn face down" yr phone to silent the ring is working fine but after the first reset is gone (it cost me two voluntary hard resets to find out that there is nobody else to blame). the registry key it keeps the value "0" but the damn thing refuse to do its job.
5. the reception is fine.
6. sound quality is more than ok or fine...is very good.
7. a2dp is the best i ever have. using core player and my old stereo bt headphones was an amazing and more than satisfying experience.
8. used also core player to watch an action movie and i was again impressed. not a glitch!!
9. it fits in my shirt pocket even with my cigarette pack and i am amused by the expression on my friends faces when i slide it out.
9. the shiny, black gadget is a chick magnet and something to brag about.
in 3 words: i love it!
Maybe a stupid question but what are we (the average htc user) expecting from a phone like the Diamond?
Does it need to have enough battery power to run tomtom navigation for 24 hours (hint: carkits) or do we need to be able to just make calls (not the ones with your girlfriend that take about 4 hours talking about the color of her toe nails she should wair tomorrow) getting your email and other things the average user does? This allso brings me to the memory point. How on earth did we manage with the old nokia 6 and 7 series phones? They just had enough memory to have a bloody ringtone? I sure think it's a shame we dont have a sd slot or the option to expand the memory but i'm allso pretty sure i wont fill up that 4Gb unless i'm going to start collecting crap stuff on it.
I'm allso aware there ARE users who want to run stuff that keep your mobile screen running most of the time and have a girlfriend who really needs to know what color she should use and must have the entire collection of mp3's they downloaded the past 5 years with them 24/7... for those users they will hopefully invent a phone with a car battery and static harddisks
But seriously, think about the power drain the larger screens consume when they are lit a lot of the time. I'm afraid the batteries will be a limiting factor for allmost all phones i guess?
Well, I agree with you guys that with a device that small there have to be compromises.
And for using the Diamond just as a phone and PDA the battery is apparently completely sufficient to carry you through the day.
But the phone comes with GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth and 3G... And the thing is, when you need those features the most you probably cannot just charge the device in between (e.g. you travel/business trip etc.).
So for me this does not meet MY expectations even if this phone would fail them only once a week or once a month... I need to be able to use the device with some web browsing, phone calls, some GPS (GPS is great not only when you are in a car), using PDA software and listening to some music without the need to recharge it.
Why? Because I do not want to make this compromise...
And if you compare these features with older phones and raise the point that we did not need that or were fine with this 5 years ago, I simply have to reply that your expectations simply change with the options you have. I want to do it because I can do it...
And since an extended battery probably almost adds up to a "bulkiness" comparable to the PRO version, I will go with the PRO right away
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Well, I agree with you guys that with a device that small there have to be compromises.
And for using the Diamond just as a phone and PDA the battery is apparently completely sufficient to carry you through the day.
But the phone comes with GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth and 3G... And the thing is, when you need those features the most you probably cannot just charge the device in between (e.g. you travel/business trip etc.).
So for me this does not meet MY expectations even if this phone would fail them only once a week or once a month... I need to be able to use the device with some web browsing, phone calls, some GPS (GPS is great not only when you are in a car), using PDA software and listening to some music without the need to recharge it.
Why? Because I do not want to make this compromise...
And if you compare these features with older phones and raise the point that we did not need that or were fine with this 5 years ago, I simply have to reply that your expectations simply change with the options you have. I want to do it because I can do it...
And since an extended battery probably almost adds up to a "bulkiness" comparable to the PRO version, I will go with the PRO right away
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i guess i am lucky with my diamond AND my athena. if i want to dl/read my e-mail i am using athena, in my car, calls and gps also athena (i wired the headphones output to my car stereo aux in). diamond is when i walk or i am really on the field. each ppc has his time and use..hehehe..still i very rarely download email or surf when i am "out". besides i always have my trusted laptop with me, a very nice source for recharging the smaller brothers or replace them with his powerful wifi. i think i don't miss a thing in the "mobility" field.
@KukurikU:
Hrhr... I see your point.
I am a doctor and I do not take my laptop to work on a regular basis and I like using a PPC to quickly check some offline database for drugs etc.
Having the chance to check mails without having to go to my office is not the worst thing if you work all over the hospital. That's the same for checking RSS feeds or some easy stuff on the internet. I think this could be nice... and I just cannot take more than one device with me while working.
And that is more or less the same for GPS. If you are "on the go" you really want it to last a little bit...
As said before, even if this is not on a regular basis, you just do not want to run out of energy when you need it.
And honestly because of that I really appreciate that HTC is launching the PRO to address the different needs of customers. If I would work at one office place the whole day, I'd get a second charger and could just charge the Diamond in the middle of the day just within the reach of my hands.
But fortunately I do not have a job like this
Ok, After a week with the DIamond, heres what i think.
The BAD:
1- Battery sux big time, barely a day ( WIFI,3G,Bluetooth=OFF).
2- Performance of the TF3D is not that great, especially opening sms's & emails.
3-A Lot of compatibility issues with your best Appz, some of them wont work.
4-Chrging with usb IS S-L-O-W & the phone does get hot.
The Good:
1- I love the TF3D, it eventually grows on you,just needs some tweaking to speed things up & maybe customize it a little.
2- I love the G-sensor, with time software developers can make wonders using it, example : Flip the phone now to silent.
3- About freaking time to have a vga screen, no way im turning back to QVGA.
4-Hardware is awesome, 528Mhz, 192/256 RAM/ROM and with modified rom, i see a great potential for this phone.
5- Ohh browsing on this phone is great, using the smart wheel, u can enlarge & its great, like an iphone.
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If i was asked to weight it all in, i would still keep it & just wait for some roms.
If you didnt buy it yet, wait for the Touch pro, has a keyboard, 1300Mah battery & fullkeyboard.
I got the Tyt-II & actually never used the keyboard but i like the saying that goes " I'd rather have it & not need it then Need it & not have it".
Its a phone that has great potential but needs some time.
I am wondering if all the reviews that are out right now have the final rom (/the rom update that caused the delay in shippment of the first batch of Touch Diamonds)...
If not, we might see some differences and hopefully improvements on some of the issues that people report.
For 1 week playing with my Diamond, so far never hang and everything looking good!
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ROM Version: 1.35.707.3 WWE
ROM Date: 28-5-08
Radio Version: 0.93.25.NS26
Protocal Version: 52.26.25.09H
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I am wondering if all the reviews that are out right now have the final rom (/the rom update that caused the delay in shippment of the first batch of Touch Diamonds)...
If not, we might see some differences and hopefully improvements on some of the issues that people report.
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I have thought about this too, I'm hopefull, that this is indeed the situation!
Regarding battery, I will get a second battery (normal, not extended) and the cradle that charges the device plus a spare battery. If I run out during the day, I will just swap batteries. Most days I won't need it, but it will be there if I do.
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http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/hktechphooey/post.htm?id=63004110&scid=hm_bl#talkbackList
Why on Earth would someone even consider buying this "could have been good, but sucked by HTC as always" ?
Just READ before you buy. You will HAVE the 3D support missing on other devices, though maybe for 2 hours only before recharging.
I was attracted, but this a NO-NO-No for sure
EDIT: any REVIEWS based on 20 minutes usage are NOT representative.
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Mate, seriously.. wtf?
I read that review... That guy likes the phone! It has several shortcomings, but it's obvious. As several people said it already, with that thin a phone, especially a WM, with SO MANY features, you're bound to have some compromises.. And this phone still rocks!
Secondly.. Check the coolsmartphone website.. The guy had it for a week (same as your reviewer), but he made the review into a video-blog! SEVERAL HOURS of pwnage video with the diamond! Obviously, it's not perfect.. but you get an almost full overview of the features..
Seriously, some people's expectations are waaaay high =/
I mean you can fry an egg on that thing after almost 5 minutes of use. Never happened to my TyTn II.
Anyone experience this ?
It's a feature Helps to keep your hands warm.
How many degrees does it reaches?
(Try to look at this using something like BatteryStatus...)
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How many degrees does it reaches?
(Try to look at this using something like BatteryStatus...)
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Im still within my 15 days swap policy. I can exchange it if the device if faulty. But if his is a common problem to Diamond then I will just wait for a better ROM that might fix it.
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It's a feature Helps to keep your hands warm.
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They never said on the specs that it can fry an egg. Thats a nice appliance to the wife.
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it can fry an egg.
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A new feature of Diamond!
Where does it become hot (hottest)? The middle part of the back, where the battery is?
Or lower or upper part? Or the whole unit?
I am just wondering if this is a battery problem or if this is due to hot chipsets...
Either of them would not be good news... honestly
I've an idea to fix this.....
Try to use it inside the fridge.....
You can't say HTC didn't warn us thought... they said they would be launching a HOT new phone... who new they've meant it literally
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a HOT new phone... who new they've meant it literally
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UP..!!....
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Where does it become hot (hottest)? The middle part of the back, where the battery is?
Or lower or upper part? Or the whole unit?
I am just wondering if this is a battery problem or if this is due to hot chipsets...
Either of them would not be good news... honestly
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Its actually the lower part of the phone just under the battery. Its very uncomfortable to hold. I just don't want this thing to explode one day.
Obviously, Im the only one who had this additional feature on his phone.
RMA...
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Its actually the lower part of the phone just under the battery. Its very uncomfortable to hold. I just don't want this thing to explode one day.
Obviously, Im the only one who had this additional feature on his phone.
RMA...
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Dont feel left out I, also have that nice feature however it's not that bad. I, removed the battery cover and it's warm at the bottom while battery is rather cool.
I remmeber back in the day when I first got the Tytn II its had the same problem but after the chefs started cooking custom roms the problem went away completely to non existent. I'm assuming its a ROM issue.
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Dont feel left out I, also have that nice feature however it's not that bad. I, removed the battery cover and it's warm at the bottom while battery is rather cool.
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Seems to be where the QualComm chip is (see attached image - snipping tool 4tw )
If the image equals the real architecture of the Touch Diamond, the main processor is the reason for that. Probably not the smartest idea to just put it right beneath the surface...
Judging upon this, the Touch Pro should actually do better (even if the chip gets so warm) because the keyboard is between the main unit and the palm of your hand.
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I remmeber back in the day when I first got the Tytn II its had the same problem but after the chefs started cooking custom roms the problem went away completely to non existent. I'm assuming its a ROM issue.
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That makes me wonder if there is some stepping problem of the CPU running on full throttle by what reasons soever... If this gets fixed this might also have a significant impact on battery life.
Can't wait for custom roms to see what this device is really capable of.
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i disabled the htcflow and i watched the microprocessor's activity with the batterystatus plugin. nothing unusual. it might be that WITH htcflow the the situation changes....
Looks like touchflo puts so much stress on the processor. Although its 524,if not mistaken, it feels a lot slower than the tytn which is 400Mhz.
Disabling touchflo changes the whole situation. The device is very fast and responsive(Still Hot). But whats good it is without the touchflo!!!
same here that thing is bloody hot not to mention horrible battery life on wifi since you must use maximum power for it to work properly...
anyone got a link for battery status?
I will try to deactivate touch flo 3d and put the cube much more convenient I think, anyone tried that ?
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same here that thing is bloody hot not to mention horrible battery life on wifi since you must use maximum power for it to work properly...
anyone got a link for battery status?
I will try to deactivate touch flo 3d and put the cube much more convenient I think, anyone tried that ?
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YES . I wanted to mention also that the Wifi sensitivity is really bad you have to crank it up to the maximum to work decently. This is a radio problem and im sure by Sept. when they release the US version rumors have it that it will have an updated ROM version from HTC tackling these issues.
I still prefers a cooked ROM
is there something to turn the hd2 into a real cycling computer ?
and i mean accurate like with a sensor on your tires wich registrate wheel rotations etc .
or is it possible for an hd2 to recieve ant+ signals from for example polar sensors ??
maybe something like pedalbrain for the iphone.
http://en.pedalbrain.com/how
even better, look on open market and you will find a cycle computer app which uses GPS. you won't get any cadence calc's with it though
yeh i know that program .
there are some programs for it .
i mostly use sportypal .
but cycling computer on gps isnt that accurate as when the info comes from the ant+ device on the wheel of the bike ..
and in forests the gps isnt always even good sometimes .
also when you standing stil for a minute the gps software keeps counting wich makes your results even less accurate.
and since its possible for the iphone , there must be a way for a hd2 to have something i guess..
jeez, the bikers tend to fall. the mobiles tend to break ;(
on the road bikers dont fall to often.
maybe in the woods .
but even then you have solid cases to put on your bike wich can protect the phone verry good,.
even if you dont wanna risk your expensive hd2 or something , then buy a used htc diamond for little money.
its stil more expensive then buyying an expensive polar bike computer
anyway if people wanna risk their phone or not i still wanna know if there is an option to make it
cyclocomp
Afraid I dont know of anything like that.
Like was said before, pay the money and buy a cheap cyclocomputer with spoke pickup.
I also mostly use SportyPal and while its not real accurate, it is more than sufficient for my needs.
It's not like I am an olympian in training or anything.
If I stop to chat or whatever, I think something like, "I must have spent like, 3 mins there talking to my mate at the lights, given that my ride maybe took me like 1 hour and I spent 3 mins stationary, then I may guestimate, or even better, get a calculator out and subtract 3 mins from your time and divide your distance as quoted on SportyPal by that time", type thing.
Just my halfpenny worth.
Oh dear, I feel I have been somewhat facetious, but then I do apologise wholeheartedly, as I have had a particularly sad day.
Regards.
Hei sportypal is quite good, and I hope it will be better in v. 2.
At the moment I prefer "Run GPS" its quite accurate and has for me det very important possibility to use extern heartrate monitor and candenz (Bluetooth).
Its not free:-( and I hope they will make better graphics.
GPS Cycle Computer v3.10 looks promising, but not accurate and could use heartrate belt. Unsure of the future dev on this?
Day 3 and Im very pleased with this phone. The smoothness, speed, and non lag or freezes fills like Iphone quality. I know that the 1st complaints about WP7 was the ugly square tiles but now that Im using the OS and all that comes with it, I love it! Its all microsoft had claimed it would be. Its Very easy to manage and hassle free! Its just a breath of fresh air not having to deal with so many home screens and/or feeling like having to pass thru an obstacle course to do anything. I believe they went the wright direction with this OS, its simple looking but modern @ the same time. Transitions and effects are very smooth. My only complaint is the external sound quality of the speakers but HTC does have an audio enhancer app (free available) so lets see if that does the trick. But overall Its definitely a beautiful solid device. P.S. for those a little upset on not having a removable SD card, you do get 25g of storage on Skydrive so that kinda works out pretty good all tho I heard that it does come with a SD card, its just hidden. But it will void your warranty if you remove the sticker above it.
i have had mine for about 24 hours and yes it is a great device,cant keep my hands off it.i just cant wait for more apps and games.i would love to play tiger woods on this big screen.
the phone itself is pretty solid; the plastic back is a non-factor to me. screen is vivid enough that i dont care that it isnt amoled. although i do wish that the headphone hole is on top instead of bottom
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the phone itself is pretty solid; the plastic back is a non-factor to me. screen is vivid enough that i dont care that it isnt amoled. although i do wish that the headphone hole is on top instead of bottom
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I've seen many complaints about the headphone jack location-- I'm genuinely curious why you prefer that? My experience with top headphone jacks is that the cable always gets in the way of the screen.
-R
I really miss having LED notifications and for me the battery life is TERRIBLE. Just using my phone for texts and emails all day at work im down to nothing and have to charge it. This is NO browsing or media at all. I feel thats bad.
Headphone hole on top or bottom for me i dont mind but coming off the Samsung Vibrant its a relief to have the usb on the bottom cause charging the phone in the car and talking on the Vibrant at the same time was a pain.
just came back from the T-Mobile store and I have to say this phone is even better than I expected. Microsoft has really done an amazing job for this mobile OS. I never thought I would ever see Microsoft eclipsing iOS when it comes to fluid and seamless user experience but WP7 has done exactly that. Those that said Microsoft is not going after Android but iOS, they were absolutely right.
I just couldn't believe that I was actually enjoying such speed on a last gen cpu based phone whereas the MT4G just sitting next to it seemed like last gen, weird! Pinch to zoom is even better than the Apple 4G and just the overall experience feels very next gen as I'm just tired of the endless widget based UI, but that's just me. To those that are still sitting on the fence, I just want to say that before you make a decision based on forums and youtube videos, go to your nearest T-Mobile store and test the HD7 out for yourself. I'm glad I did.
1 full day
I'm liking it pretty well. Here is a couple of things:
The voice dialing is dead on, but it looks like I have to go back thru my 1200 contacts and change all the "car" #'s to "other" because they are not showing up...it may confuse it to have a "mobile" # and a "car" # for the same contact.
It appears to have really good reception (I have used a Fuze, Sprint Epic, G2, and MyTouch 4G from the basement of a custom home our company is building and the HD7 has done the best on pulling in a signal).
From what I have looked at on the Market, it appears that many apps are just not prime time yet, but let's hope they get better.
One thing I REALLY want to see is Speech to Text on this phone. If they could get Dragon Dictate like whats on the MyTouch 4G, this phone would be exactly what I would want in a phone.
I'll add some more later.
this phone provides the best 'out of the box' experience that I've ever had - by a long way.... Simply unpack and start using, very little modification necessary once you get used to the live tiles.
I do wonder if I'm going to get a bit bored with it though.... part of my 6.5.x enjoyment was 1) *****ing about poor performance and then 2) doing my best to resolve said performance issues. Don't think this is going to be necessary with the HD7 - as it just works.
not a bad problem to have I guess......
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Yeah, Holes are supposed to be on the bottom. Even mother nature knows that!!
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I really miss having LED notifications and for me the battery life is TERRIBLE. Just using my phone for texts and emails all day at work im down to nothing and have to charge it. This is NO browsing or media at all. I feel thats bad.
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I'm hearing that a lot, that's not good.
I agree with that, the battery could be better. I still dont understand why they keep building these awesome devices with poor battery life.
DJ Lu said:
I agree with that, the battery could be better. I still dont understand why they keep building these awesome devices with poor battery life.
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trying to keep the phones as thin as possible.
DJ Lu said:
I agree with that, the battery could be better. I still dont understand why they keep building these awesome devices with poor battery life.
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WP7 is awesome. But I hate this battery!
harsaphes said:
I really miss having LED notifications and for me the battery life is TERRIBLE. Just using my phone for texts and emails all day at work im down to nothing and have to charge it. This is NO browsing or media at all. I feel thats bad.
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I don't have this problem. I streamed tmobile tv for half a day and only 1/4 of the battery was gone, that include browsing, play twin blade, use voice search, voice dial, looking up maps, making phone calls and textings.
Did you guys bleed your battery first or just charged it to full and started using it?
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I agree with that, the battery could be better. I still dont understand why they keep building these awesome devices with poor battery life.
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i found a 1500mha battery made by htc and fits like oem.. the htc wildfire uses it.. gonna go ahead and order that one.
tonight it was the first time taking pics in the dark and i have to say the flash is to damn intense.. need to be far from object otherwise u blind the **** out of people, lol ..there is no brightness setting ...i also found the camera botton not that soft to press ..u have to kinda press it some how a bit hard .. im gonna have to go back to store and check the other hd7
Gotta say, after the first few day's use, the battery on my wife's phone is doing really well. Don't get me wrong, she's not hammering it during the day, although I do in the evening, but last night it still had about 1/3 of the battery left (according to the little icon anyway which is infuriatingly difficult to interpret!).
The bigger battery sounds promising though!
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i found a 1500mha battery made by htc and fits like oem.. the htc wildfire uses it.. gonna go ahead and order that one.
tonight it was the first time taking pics in the dark and i have to say the flash is to damn intense.. need to be far from object otherwise u blind the **** out of people, lol ..there is no brightness setting ...i also found the camera botton not that soft to press ..u have to kinda press it some how a bit hard .. im gonna have to go back to store and check the other hd7
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are you sure it fits? let us know if it works, if it does work ill buy one too.
Searching Google lists many 1500mha batteries for the HD7..now im curious.
Just ordered one. We will see.
The biggest battery saving step I took was going into settings->email and accounts, and for each account, making sure 'download content' wasn't set to 'as they arrive'.
Unless push email is vital to you, this changed my phone from lasting about 6 hours to lasting 48.