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T-Mobile Vario III - front panel buttons contoured?

I can't get over to a phone shop to check right now, but could someone let me know whether the buttons on the UK T-Mobile Vario III variant of the Kaiser are flat or contoured?
Even T-Mobile's own website seems confused, with most photos showing the standard:
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but others showing a nasty flattened version which would be more difficult to operate by touch (as I do my current phone):
So which version is accurate? With a bit of luck I'll be leaving my trusty old Vario (Wizard) behind and moving in with you all in this forum tomorrow.
What else should I know, I wonder? I'm sure I'll get into ROM upgrading soon - which actually looks easier than with my older phone from the FAQ here.
Thanks for anyone's help.
Andre

mine are flat. The lower picture is correct.

dunno about the UK, but t-mob Holland gives you the flattend version. I quite like it though..
but before you run off to the shop to get a Vario3 aka Kaiser, i suggest you do some more reading at the forum about the driver issue's.

The buttons for the Vario III are flat.
However, you could always get the regular Kaiser/TyTN II buttons from here:
http://cnn.cn/shop/tytn-kaiser-c-277_447.html

rienzi said:
mine are flat. The lower picture is correct.
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Darn, WTF would they want to do that?!
I assumed that the 'flat' pictures were of some sort of pre-production prototye, as most of the T-Mobile website shows the normal buttons. I wonder if the buttons can be replaced with the standard arrangement of buttons that everyone else has?
[Edit: thanks for the info Teppic. I have read about the video driver issues, but I assume it will still be a lot faster than my current Vario, until someone gets the problems sorted out?]
Andre

your assumption on your old Vario being slower is somewhat, lets say ..wrongish
i have a Vario, Universal and a Vario3, can't say the Vario3 wins anywhere on performance.

Mike1963 said:
i have a Vario, Universal and a Vario3, can't say the Vario3 wins anywhere on performance.
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Oh. So they really have b*ggered the Kaiser up big time then?
My current Vario will play video (ish), but without a decent network speed that's a kinda moot point. I assumed that the more than double clock speed would make enough difference to improve matters even without optimised drivers.
Andre

andrewilley said:
Oh. So they really have b*ggered the Kaiser up big time then?
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The simple answer is
On "paper" the Vario III is superior to its predecessors
In practice "HTC" didnt do a good job on the software side, and poor video performance (drivers) impacts all aspects of the phone, from camera to open/close screen changes.
At this stage, given HTC's statement on them not supplying new drivers/software and the fact they now want to state that hardware that they quoted in press releases as being in the phone are now not present and "may be" in future products.
I would not upgrade to any HTC products, keep your Vario, stay on the same contract etc until you see a phone you like (but avoid HTC)

Teppic24 said:
The buttons for the Vario III are flat.
However, you could always get the regular Kaiser/TyTN II buttons from here:
http://cnn.cn/shop/tytn-kaiser-c-277_447.html
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I did decide to go for the Vario III in the end, and it's not too bad in general performance terms (at least as good as my original Vario I guess, although of course it should be a lot faster, but hey).
I took a look at the link you suggested though, and although it states that this part is for the TyTn II, the button layout in the photo is different (the red and green phone buttons are at the bottom of the keypad rather than the top for example). I'd still like to put on the original contoured buttons rather than the flat T-Mobile ones, but not sure whether this part is correct...?
(I assume that fitting it will be easy enough - it looks like four screws on the back of the sliding front section should allow the whole of the silver bezel to be removed?)
Andre

I never noticed that the call and end call buttons were inverted on that replacement keypad!
I've just done a Google search and every replacement keypad I've seen seems to be the same.
You could always try these guys to see if they can supply you with the correct one: http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk/. They are based in Kent. (I will admit though that I've never tried them, but I was looking for somewhere that would repair the USB port on my eBay purchased phone before I managed to fix the bent pin on it myself).
Give them a call to see if they can help out. The worst they can do is say "no".

Thanks, I might give them a call as their website is a bit out of date and doesn't mention the recent handsets. I might also email that US supplier and ask if they've maybe used a photo of the wrong keypad?
Do you know if fitting is simple, or is it a pain to get the cover off & then catch a whole load of little springs which bounce everywhere...
Andre

The UK O2 version (XDA Stellar) has contoured buttons, as does (I believe) the Vodafone (v1615)

T-Mobile releasing branded Kaiser soon!!!!! T-Mo 3G might support unlocked tilt

T-Mobile releasing branded Kaiser soon!!!!!
All this data obtained from the T-mo FCC filings.
Before anyone says that this is the Mda Vario III used in Europe,
it wouldn't make sense for them to file an application with the FCC,
an independent US government agency.
T-mobile actually filed the application in the summer of last year.
05/11/2007 to be exact. So no wonder they are so "hesitant" to
help us out with our unlocked tilt, they want us to buy their version
when it comes out.
Their branded manual. P 118 is important (the pink color might kill the device)
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=791457&native_or_pdf=pdf
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This is the kaiser taken apart.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=791448&native_or_pdf=pdf
Them testing it (their "Lab" looks like someones old basement)
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=809973&native_or_pdf=pdf
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=809977&native_or_pdf=pdf
ABOUT 3G
A lot of forums and websites say that tilt uses different frequency then T-mo will offer.
These are the specs they have in the manual
WCDMA / GSM / GPRS / EDGE Module Functionality
HSDPA/UMTS: 2100MHz for Europe, 850/1900/2100MHz for USA, 800/1700/2100MHz for Japan.
Up to 1.8Mbps for download; up to 384Kbps for upload.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, and 1900)
Internal Antenna
Yes
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So maybe one of your guys can figure out if it uses the same frequency as as the tilt
(if it does hallelujah!!!!) then it must support our as well.
Link to all the filings
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...lledFromFrame=N&application_id=740611&fcc_id=

So....why is page 118 important? It talks about gprs, edge, and hotspot at home. Who cares about that crap?
Also, let me point out a MAJOR problem with your post. In HUGE green letters, you state that t-mobile is releasing a US kaiser soon. I don't profess to be a forum master at xda, I'm not, not by a long shot. However, you're making unsubstantiated claims. You don't KNOW they're releasing one at all, let alone soon. I don't mean to be a ****, but stating that they're going to release one 'soon' just seems silly.

Damnn it looks ugly!

moddin said:
T-Mobile releasing branded Kaiser soon!!!!!
All this data obtained from the T-mo FCC filings.
Before anyone says that this is the Mda Vario III used in Europe,
it wouldn't make sense for them to file an application with the FCC,
an independent US government agency.
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Funny .. I thought my Vario III was a T-Mobile Branded Kaiser
Obviously I was wrong
I suspect the original post is probably T-Mobile USA filing to launch their re-badged Kaiser
Probably the idenitica unit to what ships in Europe

pjwilkin said:
Funny .. I thought my Vario III was a T-Mobile Branded Kaiser
Obviously I was wrong
I suspect the original post is probably T-Mobile USA filing to launch their re-badged Kaiser
Probably the idenitica unit to what ships in Europe
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He mentioned that in the original post, assuming people would say it was the EU version of the kaiser(MDA Vario III). It'll probably end up being some sort of 'MDA' in the states, but saying it's 'coming soon' is jumping the gun. These papers were filed with the FCC a year ago, what part of the documentation gives any indication as to WHEN? None of it.
Not to say that I won't look forward to it, because I certainly will. But when people come on and make these crazy claims it gets out of hand quickly. You need more info brotha, stuff can get held up at the FCC for a LOOONNNGGGG time!

InGeNeTiCs said:
He mentioned that in the original post, assuming people would say it was the EU version of the kaiser(MDA Vario III). It'll probably end up being some sort of 'MDA' in the states, but saying it's 'coming soon' is jumping the gun. These papers were filed with the FCC a year ago, what part of the documentation gives any indication as to WHEN? None of it.
Not to say that I won't look forward to it, because I certainly will. But when people come on and make these crazy claims it gets out of hand quickly. You need more info brotha, stuff can get held up at the FCC for a LOOONNNGGGG time!
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plus it wouldnt be an "identical" version of the kaiser, they're going to have to have a modified one, because the next PPC for Tmobile(USA) is going to be AWS compatible(1700mHz). They'd have to modify it.

tmobile's 3G is on a different Frequency, so u cant use european 3g phones on usa tmobile, or ATT 3G phones on tmobile or tmobile 3g phones on ATT...
they seem to be on different frequencies so u need the branded cellphone they sell to use the 3G in the US.

th1rt3en said:
plus it wouldnt be an "identical" version of the kaiser, they're going to have to have a modified one, because the next PPC for Tmobile(USA) is going to be AWS compatible(1700mHz). They'd have to modify it.
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You have a point. The manual does state that the 1700 is for Japan, not the US. So does it mean in the US it would pick up on 2100? Or is it a typo?

HTC Touch Pro or Sony Ericsson Xperia X1?

Guys I've been thinking about these two for a while now, and i can't decide on which to buy. They both are very alike.. which do you guys prefer? I really dont care too much for the RCA compatibility feature much.. I really like both phones styles though, the Xperia even looks a bit more flashy. Should I go ahead and buy the Touch Pro with the shorter wait? or should i wait for the Xperia with the longer wait? help me out guys, any input appreciated
HTC Touch Pro
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SE Xperia X1

My wife is waiting for the Xperia. I think it will be well worth the wait!!!

It's impossible to judge the Xperia right now, it might be an amazing phone, or it might be a really dissapointing fudge of what's already available in the Touch Pro. If the TP doesn't make you want to run out and buy it now, I'd just wait and see, the price is only going to go down in the meantime. If the X1 turns out to be the second coming in mobile form, then you know what to do! If it doesn't, then you'll probably still have saved a little money on the TP, or possibly have something else more interesting on the horizon.
For me, the Touch Pro is nice but not a big enough upgrade from my Kaiser, and the X1 is just more of the same. I'm quite sure they'd both bore me within months, so I'm going to go for something completely different this time around (an Iphone) while keeping the trusty Kaiser in reserve.
Perhaps WM7, and some of the more impressive processors on the horizon, will tempt me back next year. For now, going from one Qualcomm powered HTC to another (in the shape of either the Touch Pro or the Xperia) just doesn't appeal.

does anyone know how good the camera is as far as fps for video capture or how quick the touchpro locks on gps?

I already don't like the surface buttons for the Xperia...imo.
Also the ui buttons are too plain. If I had the Xperia I'd look into skinning asap.

HTC TyTN III is the HTC Touch Pro

Did they actually make the screen smaller on the TP II

I don't think so
I think Touch series is different
There will be a TyTN III, but it's not TP
Just my opinion
TyTN III will tilt, will have more H/W buttons as the TyTN II and hopefully will have all TP's good stuff
Didn't even hear anything abt it or read abt it
Just my two cents
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HTC TyTN III is the HTC Touch Pro
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I'm getting the Touch Pro when it becomes available on AT&T. I just can't stand any of Sony's phones... such a goofy looking interface.

Anyone know how much AT&T are going to do them for?

pollock said:
Anyone know how much AT&T are going to do them for?
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The Tilt was $299 at launch, so I would guess the Touch Pro would be close to that.

NotATreoFan said:
The Tilt was $299 at launch, so I would guess the Touch Pro would be close to that.
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Bought Tilt at release for $150 (brand new) with contract. They had a 3day sale or something like that.. additional 50% off.
I'd recommend people to wait for something similar for TP, or ask AT&T about that sale.

when alltheway says touchpro IS the tytn3 it means TP IS THE TYTN3..he knows lol... its been a year since it was released and thats how HTC does it..every year new model in that line... HTC just realized that the tilting aspect just wasnt worth it and dropped the idea. Seriously its a business class phone...people using this for their business arent after the tilting they are after funcionality so HTC made the touch pro as the tytn2's predecessor period

Well, I agree with you that ATW knows what he says
But, the tilting idea cannot be given up.
Well, no one can say that for sure but let's wait and see..
IMO, not a TyTN III
TyTN series (TyTN,TyTN II) never had flushed screens
Only Touch series has that (Touch, Cruise, Dual, Diamond, Pro)
Plus, TyTNs have always had alot of H/W button and that would've been one big essence lack if TP was the *TyTN III*
Let's just hope TyTN III comes next year
I hope I am right cause I absolutely loved the tilting screen
pazookie said:
when alltheway says touchpro IS the tytn3 it means TP IS THE TYTN3..he knows lol... its been a year since it was released and thats how HTC does it..every year new model in that line... HTC just realized that the tilting aspect just wasnt worth it and dropped the idea. Seriously its a business class phone...people using this for their business arent after the tilting they are after funcionality so HTC made the touch pro as the tytn2's predecessor period
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fireblade63 said:
Well, I agree with you that ATW knows what he says
But, the tilting idea cannot be given up.
Well, no one can say that for sure but let's wait and see..
IMO, not a TyTN III
TyTN series (TyTN,TyTN II) never had flushed screens
Only Touch series has that (Touch, Cruise, Dual, Diamond, Pro)
Plus, TyTNs have always had alot of H/W button and that would've been one big essence lack if TP was the *TyTN III*
Let's just hope TyTN III comes next year
I hope I am right cause I absolutely loved the tilting screen
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They're not giving up on tilting... that's what the X1 is for.

US 3G HTC Touch Diamond First Look!!!

YES!!! The U.S. Version of the HTC Touch Diamond with 3G is finally here! And it's much better than the original.Take a look at it>>>HERE
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I should get it any day now.
Here is some info about it:
Performance: 528MHz Qualcomm MSM7201A processor. 192 megs RAM, 256 megs flash ROM with ~ 58 megs free. 4 gigs internal flash storage.
Phone: Unlocked GSM quad band world phone, 850/900/1800/1900MHz bands with EDGE. US (AT&T) 3G HSDPA on the 850/1900MHz bands.
No more FM Radio!!!
Bigger Battery though!!!

U.S. Version 3G HTC Diamond $624.99
I will get my phone this Wednesday yea!!! If anybody wants to buy one here is the website i bought mine from>>>HERE
Well look's like I'll get it for sure on Monday 9/22/08 because it was a PRE-ORDER Plus that's what the tracking# shows also they have them in stock now so it's all good i guess.I just have to wait a little longer!!!

Do you think FM radio could be just disabled via software in this new version?
I really like the new bigger battery, but FM radio is too important for me.
Let's see what you geeky early adopters will come up with...

The FM radio on the Fuze (AT&T version of Raphael) was just software-disabled. On the Raphael forum, someone was able to take a .cab with the FM radio program, install it to their AT&T Fuze, and got the radio working properly. Probably the same story with the Diamond.

Like the Sprint Diamond, it's a tad thicker than the original Diamond, to make room for the higher capacity battery (1340 mAh vs. the original model's 900 mAh battery). The Diamond's code is DIAM110.
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hmm I bet this battery is just the extended battery (BP E270).........

is the new matte soft touch battery cover exchangeable with the DIA 100 P3700? if so, where can i buy one?

can someone extract the rom from this baby if she is 'clean' please?

Hello everyone
Today I bought the US version of diamond.
The ROM version is 1.93.422.4 WWE
The radio version is 1.00.25.08
If someone explain to me how to download the ROM and radio, with pleasure I will do it.
sorry for my english
LEO

leopicc said:
Hello everyone
Today I bought the US version of diamond.
The ROM version is 1.93.422.4 WWE
The radio version is 1.00.25.08
If someone explain to me how to download the ROM and radio, with pleasure I will do it.
sorry for my english
LEO
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i'm not exactly sure how, but try searching for ROM dump, or something.

ok i lost my faith... i need to get rid of the european diamond i have and buy the us version. Its a shame im in love with this phone.. but without 3G support its like having a ferrari rolling with cart wheels.

TD US
Just got mine about 2 hours ago. Yup battery is 1350mAH and back cover is soft matte finish. The Box is square for the US version, not the fancy shiny diamond shape as in the past for EU

Just out of curiosity, does it say P3700 on the box or is there a different US model number?

ROM please??
Can anyone please upload the US ROM??? perhaps it will make our european devices work with US 3G otherwiser i will have to sell it!!

haha america finally gets a proper diamond just like the rest of us had from the beginning.lol.

It took so long because AT&T didn't pick it up. They had to satisfy the carriers first.

US Model
Touch Diamond on the front of the box
HTC P/N 99HEJ116-00
No reference to P3700

On the touch box, it was located with the IMEI and Serial #.

Model Number
Yeah but the Touch Diamond US does not reference P3700 anywhere on the white label Just says Touch Diamond
IMEI -
S/N -
P/N -
UPC
On the back of the box the usual HTC Highlights and Specifications are listed

It does say DIAM110 though. Got mine today!

any change or a ROM dump of you guys??

T-Mobile MDA Compact V

Just spotted that T-Mobile are releasing their version of the Diamond 2 which has a redesigned case which is rounder edges and curved profile for the buttons at the bottom of the phone.
Expected_Release Date: June, 2009
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Looks great!!
Personally i prefer this disign over the standard HTC Design.

As do I...consideing cancelling my HTC one now but at june... not sure if I want to wait that long and also lose however amount on my diamond 1

Here is a link to T-Mobile website for high res pic's of the MDA Compact V
T-Mobile

hmm.. no front LED's.. are they not on the Diamond 2?

What tmobile priceplans do you think this phone will be on?

It's ugly. I like the original more.

Dude - that is NOT T-Mobile's website, and those are NOT high-res pics of the MDA anything. They are wishful thinking - and while they are great looking renders, no one on here should believe they are anything otherwise.

SolusCado said:
Dude - that is NOT T-Mobile's website....
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I guess you dont know who www.telekom.de is then...??........its the HQ of T-Mobile in Germany
SolusCado said:
........and those are NOT high-res pics of the MDA anything. They are wishful thinking - and while they are great looking renders, no one on here should believe they are anything otherwise.
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Here is there press release http://www.telekom.com/dtag/cms/content/dt/en/617148
Oh and the photos are from this link http://www.deutschetelekom.com/dtag...2;jsessionid=B4565B05CBB04EFA3CC7429DF08DF789
http://htcsource.com/index.php/HTC/HTC-Diamond2-and-Pro2-to-launch-under-T-Mobile-MDA-brand.html
A case of Humble Pie me thinks!!

I stand corrected.

Phoned yesterday to T-Mobile Germany. Release should "KW 21".
Costs should be around ~150EUR with "Max Relax M Friends".
Just some infos from the guy on Hotline, nothing official.

Got mine today in the Netherlands.
Pictures are correct.
Coming from a HTC P3300 (Artemis) it is a lot faster
And the place for the micro-sd card is a lot better. Don't have to remove the battery and SIM anymore

Ice-Rabbit said:
Got mine today in the Netherlands.
Pictures are correct.
Coming from a HTC P3300 (Artemis) it is a lot faster
And the place for the micro-sd card is a lot better. Don't have to remove the battery and SIM anymore
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I've got mine now for 2 weeks already and I must say: "Perfect Phone"
Only major differance is the T-Mobile TF3D home screen.
From the outside I think the T-Mobile version is way better than the standard HTC version. But hey, everybody has a differant tast, luckelly

Got my MDA compact V (NLD) yesterday.
Really disliked the logo beneath the screen, so I removed the plastic part, sanded the clearcoat and logo from the part (900 grain sandpaper) and airbrushed it again with clearcoat, much better!
(BTW there are 2 screws beneath the logo-part in case you want to dismantle yours, the logo-part is only stuck with double sided tape).
Also the T-Mobile branded ROM is quite ugly, luckily I could use a goldcard* to flash it to 1.40.707.1 WWE, much and much better!!
No more pink splash-screens, and no skinny click.
(*goldcard was generated with QMAT)

Just got a call from T-Mobile UK asking me to upgrade - basically wanting to keep my custom. They offered me a new phone or a tariff reduction by £15.
I enquired about the MDA Compact V and they said it had just come in last night but they only had 100 and all of those had sold out already. They are getting another shipment tomorrow so I should have it by Saturday or Monday.
I am hanging on to my 12 month contract for dear life. A new phone every 12 months for free on a £35 contract. Not to shabby I guess. Hopefully my next upgrade should coincide with tegra/snapdragon phones with windows mobile 7. Please MS don't delay any further.

I almost soiled my underoos when I saw this phone. Looks a lot nicer than the original htc version. too bad for the t-mobile logo splattered on it.

Hello,
I got the T-Mobile MDA Compact V (Dutch) for a week now. Can anybody tell me how to activate the Transcriber-software?
Or do I have to do edit the registry for this to show this option?