I'm considering a GPS for the Tilt and am looking for some recommendations on what programs work well for some of you. However, I do not want one that uses ATT data since I'm wifi only have no use for the ATT data plan. On a side note I keep getting a message saying the current GPS software on the phone is out of date. This is the GPS software that came with the phone. How do I disable this and or remove the program to stop this annoying message. I unchecked tell me when software is out of date but I still get those damn messages.
The notification is from QuickGPS, which caches a small database of satellite position/orbit info to facilitate faster GPS fixes. Just run it and let it download the updated data.
Since you don't want a data plan, your only option is to pony up the money and buy something like TomTom or Garmin or another commercial, standalone navigation map.
Anything free like Google Maps or Live Search needs a data connection to push the map data, so unless you have your own mobile satellite wifi hotspot with you, you need one of the standalone commercial apps.
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The notification is from QuickGPS, which caches a small database of satellite position/orbit info to facilitate faster GPS fixes. Just run it and let it download the updated data.
Since you don't want a data plan, your only option is to pony up the money and buy something like TomTom or Garmin or another commercial, standalone navigation map.
Anything free like Google Maps or Live Search needs a data connection to push the map data, so unless you have your own mobile satellite wifi hotspot with you, you need one of the standalone commercial apps.
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I think that you are advising him to:
1. connect to the internet and
2. download data
He has specifically said that he does not have a data plan - this means that every week (when the data goes out of date) he will pay a siginificant sum to get this data.
I agree that he will need to get TomTom (my recommendation) or some other simlar program. But without a data plan he should not download the Quick GPS data in my opinion.
Bill
Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Tomtom (and the purchased NAV programs that do not use internet data) have no monthly fee (you will however have to pay to update your maps - probably yearly)
I do not know how to turn off that notification - possibly look at add/remove programs and remove quickGPS?
Bill
whk said:
I think that you are advising him to:
1. connect to the internet and
2. download data
He has specifically said that he does not have a data plan - this means that every week (when the data goes out of date) he will pay a siginificant sum to get this data.
I agree that he will need to get TomTom (my recommendation) or some other simlar program. But without a data plan he should not download the Quick GPS data in my opinion.
Bill
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So, your saying he cannot connect to the internet with wifi and downlad a simple little file?? Turn off auto updates in QuickGPS and just update it manually once a week when on wifi - what's so hard about that?
FuSchnickens said:
Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
TomTom can be installed just like any other application, with a cab file. But the Maps are usually huge which can be loaded onto a Storage card. There is no monthly fee or data requirements but the initial price maybe expensive. (Not quite sure on the last line )
Regards,
Carty..
even still he is going to need a data plan or it is going to take him dumb long to get a fix with out quick gps. Unless he uses his wifi every 6 days.
Don't know about anyone else but im in the habit of leaving my Kaiser connected to my main PC when im not using it so it's always synced and quickgps just downloads the data then.
On a note about which GPS software to recommend, i'd go for IGO8 over TomTom.
To me it just seems a lot slicker even over TomTom 7.
Of course it doesn't come with things like Mapshare (which I can't get working yet for TomTom 7 even after reading the threads) and i've yet to work out how to download TomTom POI's from pocketgpsworld and convert them for IGO8 but I love tinkering with it and finding out how to do things.
Igo is just for the UK right?
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So, your saying he cannot connect to the internet with wifi and downlad a simple little file?? Turn off auto updates in QuickGPS and just update it manually once a week when on wifi - what's so hard about that?
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AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
ChumleyEX said:
Igo is just for the UK right?
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nope, i have used it with US maps before. went back to TomTom.
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AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
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In options, if you turn off auto-update and the reminder the data has expired, that should do it.
If he does like cotc2001 does and has it hooked up to a PC regularly, then leave the auto-download via Actice Sync checked to get regular updates when connected.
Tom Tom 6 and Google Maps Combination
If you're a newcomer or person who gravitate towards stability or functionality like me, you're better off with Tom Tom V6. It's extremely user friendly and very stable in most, if not all, cooked roms. Most other GPS softwares are not as functional, require tweaks and tricks to make it work, clash with other installed apps (ie HTC Home, etc). IGO 8, to me, is eye candy (similar to the eye-phone, lol), and a severe memory hog to the point it'll make your device reboot. The time it takes most people to get most GPS apps working correctly on their device might as well cook up several Diamond or Kaiser roms, lol, for that matter. Tom Tom V7 (I read) is good, but it's still relatively new and require tweaks as well. When it comes to GPS, it is, in my humble opinion, that a GPS app/software (PDA/PNA) should be stable, functional, user friendly, and more importantly it's RELIABLE. Believe that!!!.
If you want simple, clear cut, easy to read directions with/without voice, and stability ... Tom Tom 6 is the way to go and require no tweaking or editing of any kind like the others. I would also recommend the latest version Google Maps (require data plan) as well. It's a good combo and they compliment each other nicely.
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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
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All the items in this path are unchecked. I'm still getting those stupid messages when I've told it not to notify me when updates are required.
whk said:
AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
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I have NODATA installed and running on the phone so I've disabled all connections to ATT Data. This does prevent me from accidently getting data correct?
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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
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That dams message popped up again. The following choices are under the above path and all 3 are unchecked.
1)Remind me when data expires
2)Auto download when data expires
3)Auto download when connected to PC via activesync
I repeat all 3 are unchecked. Why is this update message still terrorizing me?
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That dams message popped up again. The following choices are under the above path and all 3 are unchecked.
1)Remind me when data expires
2)Auto download when data expires
3)Auto download when connected to PC via activesync
I repeat all 3 are unchecked. Why is this update message still terrorizing me?
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Not sure, my Tilt doesn't behave that way. Did you soft reset after unchecking them? The notifications is set by a registry key, so maybe it's not getting reset correctly?
After doing it I did turn it on & off ( soft reset). Can't I just uninstall this piece of &%$# quick gps? There's nothing listed for it under remove programs.
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Hello,
I bought a brand new 'HTC - Kaiser' (precisely a 'HTC - TyTN II' directly from Orange in France), in order to replace my old 'HTC - Hermes'.
First, I was surprised not to see a GPS option in the 'Communication Manager'. As you can switch ON/OFF wifi or bluetooth, you should be able to switch ON/OFF the GPS, isn't it ?
Secondly, I installed Tomtom v6.032 on my PPC, but I could not get any signal at all. I went in the options, and tried with all GPS option devices, with no success.
With 'Built-in GPS receiver' and 'Other NMEA GPS receiver' options, I always have "No valid GPS signal !". Do I have to start GPS somewhere on my PPC before starting TomTom ?
Thirdly, I looked for help on xda-developers.com here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1735972&postcount=112
I followed his recommendations, I changed:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOnePort]
"CommPort"="COM1:" (instead of: "COM0:")
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
"DriverInterface"="COM0:" (instead of "COM4:"
And it after this I could have some signal. But then after shutting down Tomtom and reopen or after a soft reset, it does not work any more, at all ! What happens ? I don't understand.
Why my GPS just not work out of the box ?
Please help ! I switch to the Kaiser for the GPS feature, and it does not work :'(
I tried all my test outside with a clear weather, waiting for about 3 minutes each time.
it should work right out of the box.
for me (i have a tilt) gps is on com4. i use tomtom and you have to make sure the correct com port.
I could be wrong but I believe that in tomtom if you get the message "no valid GPS signal" that actually means every thing is set up correctly. you just need to wait, could take some time. tomtom starts the gps itself. watch the leds on the phone. when GPS is on the right LED will flash.
you may want to check out some other programs. tomtom does seem to take a little longer to get a fix in my opinion.
BTW check out my signature, you can use navizon and make some money once you get that gps working
There's no seperate GPS connection. The GPS just uses your data connection. If you can connect to 3G, then your GPS will also work. Try using Google Maps and clicking "Use GPS", leave your phone in one spot for a few minutes and see if you can get some sattelites that way.
As always, someome smarter can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is from my experience.
There is no way to "turn on" gps, programs access it when they need it, and it's off when they don't
Your first fix can take up to 45 minutes, although min eonly took about 5.
If you look in the extracted HTC cabs threads, you can find a program called "HTC GPS tool" Run this and select "clear memory" as the option, and that'll get a fix after a while. after that, After soft resets you should use "cold start", I think...
After this has fgot a fix you can use other programs on the COM4 channel.
Hope this helps
I have had my Tilt for about 2 months. Recently, I took a trip from L.A. to N.Y.C. As soon as I got to NYC, I ran QuickGPS, but was entirely unable to get GPS to work at all during the week I was there (queens, manhattan, roads, etc).
I posted an inquiry about backing up and hard resets. Rather than getting an answer to the question, I was given direction to make sure my GPS really didn't work.
That chain pushed me to GPS Test v1.04 by Chartcross. It is free, and can found on the web and on this forum. In NY I could not get a signal no matter what even running it.
When I landed in LA I ran it again ... it stayed at "Starting Up" for a while, but then miraculously started showing bars.
So --- I recommend that you (1) run Quick GPS, (2) install this program, and (3) let it run and run and run. Also make sure you are in an area where GPS is accessible.
It can take a very long time to get GPS to work on the tilt. Many times, it takes longer to find a signal than the trip you were hoping to TomTom through. Its the nature of the beast.
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I tried all my test outside with a clear weather, waiting for about 3 minutes each time.
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Yep, like all the others have said leave it fore longer. 3 mins isn't enough time. If after 30-45mins of being left in one place (no moving it around!) with a clear view of the sky for the first time and TomTom is still saying "No valid GPS signal" then start worrying...
Thank for your enthusiasm. I carefully read your post, here is want I discovered:
You mentionned about having a 3G data connection. First I was wondering why do you talked about that: this as nothing to do with GPS. Then I thought I should give it a try. Up to now, I haven't yet put my SIM card in my brand new 'HTC - Kaiser'. I didn't mention it in my 1st post, as I though it could not have a link with my GPS problem. I put the SIM card in the phone, then started Tomtom, I was surprised to see that a 3G data connection was automatically started, and a few seconds later, the GPS worked perfectly.
I can't believe it, I could not have the GPS working because there was no SIM card in my phone !
First I thought that the data connection was for retrieving Tomtom traffic info online, but then I discoved that even with 'HTC - GPS Tool v1.1.1.0', a 3G data connection is started prior to getting my localization.
I read about QuickGPS, and learnt that it is the thing that causes the 3G data connection to start prior to getting my localization.
Why is QuickGPS starting automatically ? Is QuickGPS compulsory for localization ? Can I stop this behavior and have everything running through GPS ?
Chris
MAYBE IF YOU TR THIS ONE
I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM AND IT WORKED FOR ME
JUST ASSIGN THE INCOMING PORT TO COM4, AND OUTGOING VIRTUAL COM5
http://www.plunder.com/GPSGate-download-37727.htm
GPS and 3G have nothing to do with each other. They are too completely different things.
GPS does not need 3G to function!
Some GPS programs (like google maps), do require a internet connection to download data, thats when 3G comes in (not necessary, could use wifi and gprs instead).
What is strange is that in Orange ROM (at least in France), a GPRS connection is made automatically each time you want to use your GPS. If the GPRS connection is NOT successful, you can not use the GPS (with tomtom, or any other testing GPS tool). How can I change this behavior ? I do not have an unlimited GPRS subscription !
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What is strange is that in Orange ROM (at least in France), a GPRS connection is made automatically each time you want to use your GPS. If the GPRS connection is NOT successful, you can not use the GPS (with tomtom, or any other testing GPS tool). How can I change this behavior ? I do not have an unlimited GPRS subscription !
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It's required GPRS connection because you might have selected tomtom plus services such as Traffic, Weather. Just to be sure, take out your SIM or turn off the radio to see what happen. BTW, flash a different ROM is another choice.
Did you installed Google Navigator as my Kaisers GPS unit stopped to work after i installed GN?
On Orange ROM (in France), everytime you want to get GPS, you first have to connect to the Internet. It is not link with TomTom Plus, because even with HTC GPS tool software, you need to let the phone automatically connect to the Orange network prior to getting your location with the GPS. If you do NOT have a SIM card and the possibility to connect online with your phone, you get NO GPS location.
Please, help
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On Orange ROM (in France), everytime you want to get GPS, you first have to connect to the Internet. It is not link with TomTom Plus, because even with HTC GPS tool software, you need to let the phone automatically connect to the Orange network prior to getting your location with the GPS. If you do NOT have a SIM card and the possibility to connect online with your phone, you get NO GPS location.
Please, help
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As NGHIEM said above, flash a new ROM and this behaviour will stop. Try Duttys or Schaps for best stability etc.
I am using an AT&T Tilt with Garmin Mobile XT and there is an option to turn off Internet Data (Traffic, weather, etc.) in Garmin. If I want to use the GPS with no radios on I have to disable the Internet Data option otherwise the program tries to make that connection first and never acquires a fix. That may be part of your problem. I also just tried the HTC GPS Tool with no SIM card in flight mode and it got a fix in under 2 minutes inside my house by a window. Garmin also started fine. The GPS is an independent receiver and should require no other data. It appears that some other program is starting along with the GPS and trying to access the Internet. Like others have said before you can probably solve your problem by flashing a new rom.
I think I have found the solution:
- In the registry change:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"EnableAGPS"=0 (instead of: 1)
Now everytime I use my GPS (with HTC GPS Tool, or Tomtom), the automatic GPRS connection is not started !
Please give your feedback about this.
Que_EN_Unlock_All_.zip file
Hi,
I am looking for this file to do the Garmin mobile XT installation. This file, Que_EN_Unlock_All_.zip, is not available at rapidshare.
Can you help please?
Regards.
Pieter
pvblomm said:
Hi,
I am looking for this file to do the Garmin mobile XT installation. This file, Que_EN_Unlock_All_.zip, is not available at rapidshare.
Can you help please?
Regards.
Pieter
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What is this file about ?
I've searched and searched but couldn't find it (only references to it in other ROMs). Could someone either please post the HTC GPS Tool.cab or point me in the right direction as to where I can find it?
I know it's in a couple of ROM releases, but I'm happy with what I have now and just want that file.
Thanks, guys!
EDIT: Nevermind, guys. I found it. Thanks!
No card is found
I have installed TomTom on my new Kaiser and downloaded the free citymap, but when I then run TomTom it says: No card is found. What am I doing wrong?
Ok I successfully installed TT6 on my Kaiser, which currently runs dutty 3/8 rom and niki radio. I have Kaiser Tweak installed as well. Everytime I open TomTom it wants to connect to GPRS. From my previous experience when GPRS is transferring data it uses MB's, which I am charged for because i do not have any data plan, nor do I want one because I am usually in hotspots. In addition, I have quick gps, gps test, and gps tool, applications installed on my device.
I was able to get a connection yesterday without using GPRS. For some reason I clicked on Traffic Updates in the configuration. Now everytime i connect to TT6 it opens the GPRS connection. When I hit cancel with GPRS I cannot establish a GPS signal.
Will I be charged for GPRS connection if data is transferred if so, how do i use my TT6 application to avoid any service fees or any transfers that will costs me money.
edit1: I also tried disabling my traffic updates however no success
edit2: i have my own software with all maps. I did not dl any of the tomtom6 software featured in this forum so this issue may be different. In addition, i searched this similar problem with confusing results.
Did you try disabling traffic updates? That is what is connecting...
yes i did...
this shouldn't be a difficult thing to answer for those who don't use any type of data connection (medianet, gprs, 3g etc) and use gps.
go into tomtom plus services and disable wireless data, if that doesnt work, and since you are a legal user of tomtom, then why dont you contact their tech support, that's what they are there for
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Ok I successfully installed TT6 on my Kaiser, which currently runs dutty 3/8 rom and niki radio. I have Kaiser Tweak installed as well. Everytime I open TomTom it wants to connect to GPRS. From my previous experience when GPRS is transferring data it uses MB's, which I am charged for because i do not have any data plan, nor do I want one because I am usually in hotspots. In addition, I have quick gps, gps test, and gps tool, applications installed on my device.
I was able to get a connection yesterday without using GPRS. For some reason I clicked on Traffic Updates in the configuration. Now everytime i connect to TT6 it opens the GPRS connection. When I hit cancel with GPRS I cannot establish a GPS signal.
Will I be charged for GPRS connection if data is transferred if so, how do i use my TT6 application to avoid any service fees or any transfers that will costs me money.
edit1: I also tried disabling my traffic updates however no success
edit2: i have my own software with all maps. I did not dl any of the tomtom6 software featured in this forum so this issue may be different. In addition, i searched this similar problem with confusing results.
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You can you the program NoData http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1325870&postcount=7 to disable GPRS traffic.
thanks i'll look into the "no data" application.
hmmm but i can do the same thing with kaiser tweak, however tomtom cannot establish a signal.
Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
AshleySear said:
Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
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hmmm i have it enabled right now. so are you saying i should disable assisted gps?
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Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
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i think u solved the issue. I'll let u know in a few hours but as i can see from bein indoors the gprs 3g connection isn't popping up. Thanks for everyones input. I figured there was an easy solution.
Ok that solved the issue of connecting to the net but now I cannot get a satelite signal anywhere in Boston.
You have to try out couple different things. First off, try a different version of tomtom. Do a search and should pop up with couple diffrernt versions. I can tell you that my version doesn't connect to data at all. Maybe the A-GPS option works, but you're not doing something correctly. There's a tomtom tutorial somewhere. Do a search for that. Verify COM4 or whatever com gps is on. Test out HTC GPS tool to see if you can pick up any satellites. Could possibly be the radio. Many different things you can try out here.
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You have to try out couple different things. First off, try a different version of tomtom. Do a search and should pop up with couple diffrernt versions. I can tell you that my version doesn't connect to data at all. Maybe the A-GPS option works, but you're not doing something correctly. There's a tomtom tutorial somewhere. Do a search for that. Verify COM4 or whatever com gps is on. Test out HTC GPS tool to see if you can pick up any satellites. Could possibly be the radio. Many different things you can try out here.
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I understand however I have tried everything. It was working correctly previous to when I hit traffic updates. I tested everything and then reinstalled the program onto my device late last night. It previously worked with niki radio and dutty rom on com4 with almost all the bauds. The A-GPS system did not make it work and it also attempted to connect to the internet. When I try to run AGPS now it doesn't connect to the internet even with it enabled in Kaiser Tweak after a soft reset.
TomTom and WM 6.1
I just switched my ROM over to WM 6.1 ... tom tom looks like it is running fine, but the "check for updates" button under advanced features now just returns an error. Any thoughts? I have disabled my cingular proxy, so that should not be the problem.
weinson said:
I just switched my ROM over to WM 6.1 ... tom tom looks like it is running fine, but the "check for updates" button under advanced features now just returns an error. Any thoughts? I have disabled my cingular proxy, so that should not be the problem.
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whatever you do try not to hit traffic updates. It complete f'd up my gps application, gprs, and my medianet is no longer working for what I can see. They are all enabled too, which makes this even more confusing now. Thinking about doing a hard reset cause I have back up of everything on my pc. Just don't want to be bothered with spending hours updating right now.
ok fixed going to have moderators remove this thread cause nothing usable came out of it.
redbandana said:
ok fixed going to have moderators remove this thread cause nothing usable came out of it.
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Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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hear hear (esp since I may have the same issue)
Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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Yes You are correct and I apologize.
Ok, first I disabled agps and then was not able to get a signal anywhere.
2nd, I removed all TT6 Apps from my phone and TTHome from my PC
3rd, I Removed my SD card and any remaining applications or files that had anything to do with TT6 or the term "navigator" by using the file explorer.
4th, I moved the TT6 cab file to my device and ran it.
5th, I then formatted my SD card from my PC.
6th, Inserted the SD card back into the phone
7th, Moved the Navigator Application from the "Crack" file onto my SD card.
8th, Went into Program Files on my device and deleted the Navigator file that was there.
9th, Moved the Navigator application from the SD card to the navigator file on my device which would be under "program applications". I also moved the US and Canada Maps onto the device.
10th, I reinstalled TTHome onto my PC
11th, Connected Through active sync and set up the TT6 on my device using the appropriate baud and com4.
12th, After installing the updates from TTHome. I again removed TTHome application from my PC. Somehow, only running the updates once will allow the program to work. If I reconnect my device through active sync and TTHome is still installed I will be unable to use the application again on my phone because it will not get a signal if I reupdate.
Ok, I have never used the GPS feature on my Kaiser(Once a Tilt) till now. I have never needed to cause I didnt have a data plan. I used the routers at school and my house for internet. I got TT7 and I got a data plan cause TomTom is amazing. My GPS doesnt like to work. TomTom says their is no Device Detected. QuickGPS fails. The HTC GPS tool fails.....how can i troubleshoot my gps? Just a point in the right direction would help. (FWI, HD_III_OPAL WWE, 1.65.24.36)
DemoShadow said:
....my Kaiser(Once a Tilt)
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What does that mean? Have you added a camera and changed the case as well as the ROM?
QuickGPS fails. The HTC GPS tool fails.....how can i troubleshoot my gps?
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Fails in what way? The TyTN II I have, works ok with the version of Tomtom Navigator it came with but as TTN 7 isn't officially released (yet?) as an upgrade, all I can suggest is to go back to basics, perhaps trying the setup on my TyTN II in my sig. Otherwise maybe someone who's used TTN 7 on the TyTN II can advise you. Do a search in the Kaiser software forum, there were lots of GPS related posts in there.
I got it to work, my GPS settings were incorrect. Yea and TT7 works...I just downloaded the one free map that was close by, if I need to go anywhere else I will copy the maps from my "Official SD Map Card"
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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I got it to work, my GPS settings were incorrect. Yea and TT7 works...I just downloaded the one free map that was close by, if I need to go anywhere else I will copy the maps from my "Official SD Map Card"
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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if your set has an inbuilt GPS reciever then it should be free irrespective of what plan you have ...except for whatever you need to shell out to buy the gps software and maps...
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I*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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It depends which Kaiser and where it was bought. The HTC Original TyTN II sold here in the UK came with TTN 6.032 on CDROM in the box but just like with the version you have it only allowed free download of one 'city' map. Any additional maps had to be bought and the number that went with the map could only be used on that device.
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*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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The Kaiser's GPS receiver is integrated in the phone and doesn't need anything network-related to function (so yes, it's free in itself). It will give any program that wants it the current position, speed, heading etc of the phone.
I.e. there was no point in you "not using the GPS because you didn't have a data plan".
Then what might require a data plan or paying something is the program in question. There are 2 types of programs, those like Google maps or MS Live that are free to download and use, but DO need a data connection as they will download the map data from the net on request while navigating.
The other type like TomTom, MioMap etc do NOT need data as they store the entire maps locally on the memory card, however they are payware so you have to buy them in the first place.
I was initially wondering if AT&T charges to use aGPS, but now I want to know how to configure iGO to use aGPS as well as normal GPS.
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I was initially wondering if AT&T charges to use aGPS, but now I want to know how to configure iGO to use aGPS as well as normal GPS.
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Well to answer your first question, if your Tilt does not have a data plan att will charge you because it downloads through their network. Yet, ATT does allow some data transfer without a charge but its very minimal. However, with that being said you can always not use aGPS and just download quickgps before you leave your house using WIFI if you have it. Finally to answer your final question I always thought IGO crashed when aGPS was running? Maybe newer versions have fixed this bug....
thanks for the insight,im going to just use quickgps then from now on and drop aGPS
also as an estimate, how much would I be charged by AT&T for downloading quickGPS updates, cuz I don't get WiFi everywhere or have a computer readily available for active sync.
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also as an estimate, how much would I be charged by AT&T for downloading quickGPS updates, cuz I don't get WiFi everywhere or have a computer readily available for active sync.
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im guessing each update would be around 12kb-32kb but I could be wrong (just an educated guess because it downloads fairly fast). ATT charges .03 per 10kb or .01 per kb, one or the other.
edit: just read somewhere that update it is about 50kbs give or take
quickgps only needs to be updated once a week or whenever you move to a different region/location (i.e. different states, won't worry about different cities)
Also aGPS doesn't work for me on AT&T, it says error connecting to service or something like that. Just use regular GPS which is free so you can use it even without a simcard in your device.
Ok...in order for me to keep Android on my Touch and not go back to Windows Mobile, there MUST be an offline GPS solution for Android. By that I mean GPS software that reads maps from the SD card and does not need a data connection on the phone at all; like TomTom does on Windows Mobile - it has all the POIs stored on the SD card (including their phone number) so I can get directions, look up numbers, and directly call businesses from the GPS app without ever needing any internet connectivity. I have a 16GB card, so storing maps of the whole USA won't be a problem....did it just fine in WinMo using TomTom...
So, does anyone know of a GPS application that can do this for Android? Having to connect to the internet for GPS maps (like Google maps) is just unacceptable, especially since GPS has been free through satellites for decades now. Bottom line - I just want GPS to work like it did on Windows Mobile...no data plan needed, and maps stored locally on the SD card. Easy and fast.
If this is not possible then it is very apparent that TomTom on WinMo is far superior to any Android GPS solution, and I will be forced to switch back.
MapDroyd......
http://www.mapdroyd.com/
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MapDroyd......
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it says you have to download the maps through another program called "ContentDroyd"...this defeats the whole purpose of making this work for phones without a data connection.
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it says you have to download the maps through another program called "ContentDroyd"...this defeats the whole purpose of making this work for phones without a data connection.
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the newest version of contentdroyd will allow you to download them from a computer instead of through the phone. then you put the maps on sd.
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the newest version of contentdroyd will allow you to download them from a computer instead of through the phone. then you put the maps on sd.
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the latest version of ContentDroyd is still just an APK file, so how do you download them on your computer? IS there a public site that has the map files?
Also I read that any vector map format can be used in their compressed map format...does this mean I can use the nicer and more complete TomTom or Garmin map files somehow?
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the latest version of ContentDroyd is still just an APK file, so how do you download them on your computer? IS there a public site that has the map files?
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Sometimes you can find public sites, yes. I'm happy to post it if that's within the rules, I'll check. Then you use adb to install it.
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Sometimes you can find public sites, yes. I'm happy to post it if that's within the rules, I'll check. Then you use adb to install it.
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I can transfer files directly to my SD card over my USB cable, that is not the problem...I just need a site that has the map file. I can download and transfer them myself manually. Also - why would it be against the rules since the maps are freeware?
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Their site just has a list...no download links.
http://www.mapdroyd.com/map-android-more
This is so dumb, why are they trying to hide how to download it, even on their site, when they fully allow downloads thru your phone - makes no sense
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I can transfer files directly to my SD card over my USB cable, that is not the problem...I just need a site that has the map file. I can download and transfer them myself manually. Also - why would it be against the rules since the maps are freeware?
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Their site just has a list...no download links.
http://www.mapdroyd.com/map-android-more
This is so dumb, why are they trying to hide how to download it, even on their site, when they fully allow downloads thru your phone - makes no sense
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Sorry, I didn't mean the maps - I meant the newest mapdroyd and contentdroyd apks so you don't have to download them. You could then install those through adb.
Does the GPS even work well enough with warm donut? I have gotten it to work a few times, but most of the time it struggles to find a signal...
GPS works fine in mine. finally got GPS to work in RLS3 of myn's Warm Donut, but only after I installed GPStest and rebooted. Now I get locks in 30 seconds on a cold start
Anyway, I cannot find the SMD files for the UnitedStates, and if this thing doesn't even do turn by turn directions, then why was it made? Just so you can see a dot on a map? Whooptie do. Android is looking less and less attractive the longer I use it.
Ok I take it back, I just updated my radio to 3.42.5 and looks like GPS is working better than ever! Not sure about not having a dataplan as when I had Windows, it always made an internet connection at first?
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Ok I take it back, I just updated my radio to 3.42.5 and looks like GPS is working better than ever! Not sure about not having a dataplan as when I had Windows, it always made an internet connection at first?
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No, that is my point...you never needed a data plan/internet connection to use GPS. GPS has always been free up until a few years ago when cell companies started tying data into it through what is called A-GPS (assisted GPS), and also so they could provide local 411 listings, etc. The GPS chip inside our phones works fine by itself to get directions, and do routing and turn by turn, etc (which is software based). No internet connection is needed to use GPS, and it shouldn't ever be.
Ok, my rant about phone companies muddying up true GPS is over...I fear that Android will never be as powerful a Windows Mobile was with GPS. People who think Google Maps and programs like Copilot are great GPS apps, have no clue what they are missing.
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No, that is my point...you never needed a data plan/internet connection to use GPS. GPS has always been free up until a few years ago when cell companies started tying data into it through what is called A-GPS (assisted GPS), and also so they could provide local 411 listings, etc. The GPS chip inside our phones works fine by itself to get directions, and do routing and turn by turn, etc (which is software based). No internet connection is needed to use GPS, and it shouldn't ever be.
Ok, my rant about phone companies muddying up true GPS is over...I fear that Android will never be as powerful a Windows Mobile was with GPS. People who think Google Maps and programs like Copilot are great GPS apps, have no clue what they are missing.
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my experience tom tom and destinator both worked much better with agps. i used both
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Anyway, I cannot find the SMD files for the UnitedStates, and if this thing doesn't even do turn by turn directions, then why was it made? Just so you can see a dot on a map? Whooptie do. Android is looking less and less attractive the longer I use it.
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Android on the touch is a work in progress. It is a hobby by fueled by enthusiasts, and given that it has come a LONG way in a short time. You shouldn't expect things to "just work", but often they do. (and IMHO better than WinMo.)
Also you are trying to compare a commercial app (Tom Tom) to a freeware alternative (mapDryod). This doesn't mean that it is inferior, but you usually have to pay the cost in time instead of money. Learning and tweaking the application that might not "just work" out of the box.
If Android on the touch isn't working out for you, then feel free to jump in and help get things working. Trollish comments and demanding functionality on threat of dropping Android doesn't help anyone much.
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Android on the touch is a work in progress. It is a hobby by fueled by enthusiasts, and given that it has come a LONG way in a short time. You shouldn't expect things to "just work", but often they do. (and IMHO better than WinMo.)
Also you are trying to compare a commercial app (Tom Tom) to a freeware alternative (mapDryod). This doesn't mean that it is inferior, but you usually have to pay the cost in time instead of money. Learning and tweaking the application that might not "just work" out of the box.
If Android on the touch isn't working out for you, then feel free to jump in and help get things working. Trollish comments and demanding functionality on threat of dropping Android doesn't help anyone much.
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I am not talking about "Android on the Touch"...I am talking about Android in general - NO Android phone in the world can have GPS that can even come close to matching WinMo's available apps. - no complaining here, just a fact now after my research.
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my experience tom tom and destinator both worked much better with agps. i used both
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better, hmm...yes technically - in terms of getting an initial lock (15 seconds with a data plan, or 30 seconds without data....big deal. once you had a fix it stayed fixed until you rebooted or went into an underground cave or something (came back the second you walked out). Anyway, I have my answer to my original post...might be back on WinMo in a week or so. Bummer.
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NO Android phone in the world can have GPS that can even come close to matching WinMo's available apps. - no complaining here, just a fact now after my research.
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Still trollish.. I for one find the tone of your posts to be unnecessarily aggressive, arrogant and unhelpful.
If you think that WinMo is better, maybe you should go back to using it?
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Still trollish.. I for one find the tone of your posts to be unnecessarily aggressive, arrogant and unhelpful.
If you think that WinMo is better, maybe you should go back to using it?
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I have been 100% factual in my statements. Offline GPS routing and maps are not available like they are on WinMo.....that is what I wanted to know when I posted this thread, and I got my answer. I am sorry you don't like the answer.
Besides, I already said I might go back to WinMo in a week.