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Ok I successfully installed TT6 on my Kaiser, which currently runs dutty 3/8 rom and niki radio. I have Kaiser Tweak installed as well. Everytime I open TomTom it wants to connect to GPRS. From my previous experience when GPRS is transferring data it uses MB's, which I am charged for because i do not have any data plan, nor do I want one because I am usually in hotspots. In addition, I have quick gps, gps test, and gps tool, applications installed on my device.
I was able to get a connection yesterday without using GPRS. For some reason I clicked on Traffic Updates in the configuration. Now everytime i connect to TT6 it opens the GPRS connection. When I hit cancel with GPRS I cannot establish a GPS signal.
Will I be charged for GPRS connection if data is transferred if so, how do i use my TT6 application to avoid any service fees or any transfers that will costs me money.
edit1: I also tried disabling my traffic updates however no success
edit2: i have my own software with all maps. I did not dl any of the tomtom6 software featured in this forum so this issue may be different. In addition, i searched this similar problem with confusing results.
Did you try disabling traffic updates? That is what is connecting...
yes i did...
this shouldn't be a difficult thing to answer for those who don't use any type of data connection (medianet, gprs, 3g etc) and use gps.
go into tomtom plus services and disable wireless data, if that doesnt work, and since you are a legal user of tomtom, then why dont you contact their tech support, that's what they are there for
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Ok I successfully installed TT6 on my Kaiser, which currently runs dutty 3/8 rom and niki radio. I have Kaiser Tweak installed as well. Everytime I open TomTom it wants to connect to GPRS. From my previous experience when GPRS is transferring data it uses MB's, which I am charged for because i do not have any data plan, nor do I want one because I am usually in hotspots. In addition, I have quick gps, gps test, and gps tool, applications installed on my device.
I was able to get a connection yesterday without using GPRS. For some reason I clicked on Traffic Updates in the configuration. Now everytime i connect to TT6 it opens the GPRS connection. When I hit cancel with GPRS I cannot establish a GPS signal.
Will I be charged for GPRS connection if data is transferred if so, how do i use my TT6 application to avoid any service fees or any transfers that will costs me money.
edit1: I also tried disabling my traffic updates however no success
edit2: i have my own software with all maps. I did not dl any of the tomtom6 software featured in this forum so this issue may be different. In addition, i searched this similar problem with confusing results.
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You can you the program NoData http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1325870&postcount=7 to disable GPRS traffic.
thanks i'll look into the "no data" application.
hmmm but i can do the same thing with kaiser tweak, however tomtom cannot establish a signal.
Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
AshleySear said:
Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
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hmmm i have it enabled right now. so are you saying i should disable assisted gps?
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Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
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i think u solved the issue. I'll let u know in a few hours but as i can see from bein indoors the gprs 3g connection isn't popping up. Thanks for everyones input. I figured there was an easy solution.
Ok that solved the issue of connecting to the net but now I cannot get a satelite signal anywhere in Boston.
You have to try out couple different things. First off, try a different version of tomtom. Do a search and should pop up with couple diffrernt versions. I can tell you that my version doesn't connect to data at all. Maybe the A-GPS option works, but you're not doing something correctly. There's a tomtom tutorial somewhere. Do a search for that. Verify COM4 or whatever com gps is on. Test out HTC GPS tool to see if you can pick up any satellites. Could possibly be the radio. Many different things you can try out here.
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You have to try out couple different things. First off, try a different version of tomtom. Do a search and should pop up with couple diffrernt versions. I can tell you that my version doesn't connect to data at all. Maybe the A-GPS option works, but you're not doing something correctly. There's a tomtom tutorial somewhere. Do a search for that. Verify COM4 or whatever com gps is on. Test out HTC GPS tool to see if you can pick up any satellites. Could possibly be the radio. Many different things you can try out here.
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I understand however I have tried everything. It was working correctly previous to when I hit traffic updates. I tested everything and then reinstalled the program onto my device late last night. It previously worked with niki radio and dutty rom on com4 with almost all the bauds. The A-GPS system did not make it work and it also attempted to connect to the internet. When I try to run AGPS now it doesn't connect to the internet even with it enabled in Kaiser Tweak after a soft reset.
TomTom and WM 6.1
I just switched my ROM over to WM 6.1 ... tom tom looks like it is running fine, but the "check for updates" button under advanced features now just returns an error. Any thoughts? I have disabled my cingular proxy, so that should not be the problem.
weinson said:
I just switched my ROM over to WM 6.1 ... tom tom looks like it is running fine, but the "check for updates" button under advanced features now just returns an error. Any thoughts? I have disabled my cingular proxy, so that should not be the problem.
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whatever you do try not to hit traffic updates. It complete f'd up my gps application, gprs, and my medianet is no longer working for what I can see. They are all enabled too, which makes this even more confusing now. Thinking about doing a hard reset cause I have back up of everything on my pc. Just don't want to be bothered with spending hours updating right now.
ok fixed going to have moderators remove this thread cause nothing usable came out of it.
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ok fixed going to have moderators remove this thread cause nothing usable came out of it.
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Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
kyphur said:
Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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hear hear (esp since I may have the same issue)
Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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Yes You are correct and I apologize.
Ok, first I disabled agps and then was not able to get a signal anywhere.
2nd, I removed all TT6 Apps from my phone and TTHome from my PC
3rd, I Removed my SD card and any remaining applications or files that had anything to do with TT6 or the term "navigator" by using the file explorer.
4th, I moved the TT6 cab file to my device and ran it.
5th, I then formatted my SD card from my PC.
6th, Inserted the SD card back into the phone
7th, Moved the Navigator Application from the "Crack" file onto my SD card.
8th, Went into Program Files on my device and deleted the Navigator file that was there.
9th, Moved the Navigator application from the SD card to the navigator file on my device which would be under "program applications". I also moved the US and Canada Maps onto the device.
10th, I reinstalled TTHome onto my PC
11th, Connected Through active sync and set up the TT6 on my device using the appropriate baud and com4.
12th, After installing the updates from TTHome. I again removed TTHome application from my PC. Somehow, only running the updates once will allow the program to work. If I reconnect my device through active sync and TTHome is still installed I will be unable to use the application again on my phone because it will not get a signal if I reupdate.
I'm considering a GPS for the Tilt and am looking for some recommendations on what programs work well for some of you. However, I do not want one that uses ATT data since I'm wifi only have no use for the ATT data plan. On a side note I keep getting a message saying the current GPS software on the phone is out of date. This is the GPS software that came with the phone. How do I disable this and or remove the program to stop this annoying message. I unchecked tell me when software is out of date but I still get those damn messages.
The notification is from QuickGPS, which caches a small database of satellite position/orbit info to facilitate faster GPS fixes. Just run it and let it download the updated data.
Since you don't want a data plan, your only option is to pony up the money and buy something like TomTom or Garmin or another commercial, standalone navigation map.
Anything free like Google Maps or Live Search needs a data connection to push the map data, so unless you have your own mobile satellite wifi hotspot with you, you need one of the standalone commercial apps.
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The notification is from QuickGPS, which caches a small database of satellite position/orbit info to facilitate faster GPS fixes. Just run it and let it download the updated data.
Since you don't want a data plan, your only option is to pony up the money and buy something like TomTom or Garmin or another commercial, standalone navigation map.
Anything free like Google Maps or Live Search needs a data connection to push the map data, so unless you have your own mobile satellite wifi hotspot with you, you need one of the standalone commercial apps.
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I think that you are advising him to:
1. connect to the internet and
2. download data
He has specifically said that he does not have a data plan - this means that every week (when the data goes out of date) he will pay a siginificant sum to get this data.
I agree that he will need to get TomTom (my recommendation) or some other simlar program. But without a data plan he should not download the Quick GPS data in my opinion.
Bill
Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Tomtom (and the purchased NAV programs that do not use internet data) have no monthly fee (you will however have to pay to update your maps - probably yearly)
I do not know how to turn off that notification - possibly look at add/remove programs and remove quickGPS?
Bill
whk said:
I think that you are advising him to:
1. connect to the internet and
2. download data
He has specifically said that he does not have a data plan - this means that every week (when the data goes out of date) he will pay a siginificant sum to get this data.
I agree that he will need to get TomTom (my recommendation) or some other simlar program. But without a data plan he should not download the Quick GPS data in my opinion.
Bill
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So, your saying he cannot connect to the internet with wifi and downlad a simple little file?? Turn off auto updates in QuickGPS and just update it manually once a week when on wifi - what's so hard about that?
FuSchnickens said:
Thanks for the info. I figured I'd need something along the lines of tom Tom. Is there a monthly fee on something like Tom Tom? How is it installed? Cab file? Is there any way to completely kill that Quick GPS. As I said I told it not to inform me when it's out of date but it still does. This is getting to be annoying.
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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
TomTom can be installed just like any other application, with a cab file. But the Maps are usually huge which can be loaded onto a Storage card. There is no monthly fee or data requirements but the initial price maybe expensive. (Not quite sure on the last line )
Regards,
Carty..
even still he is going to need a data plan or it is going to take him dumb long to get a fix with out quick gps. Unless he uses his wifi every 6 days.
Don't know about anyone else but im in the habit of leaving my Kaiser connected to my main PC when im not using it so it's always synced and quickgps just downloads the data then.
On a note about which GPS software to recommend, i'd go for IGO8 over TomTom.
To me it just seems a lot slicker even over TomTom 7.
Of course it doesn't come with things like Mapshare (which I can't get working yet for TomTom 7 even after reading the threads) and i've yet to work out how to download TomTom POI's from pocketgpsworld and convert them for IGO8 but I love tinkering with it and finding out how to do things.
Igo is just for the UK right?
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So, your saying he cannot connect to the internet with wifi and downlad a simple little file?? Turn off auto updates in QuickGPS and just update it manually once a week when on wifi - what's so hard about that?
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AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
ChumleyEX said:
Igo is just for the UK right?
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nope, i have used it with US maps before. went back to TomTom.
whk said:
AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
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In options, if you turn off auto-update and the reminder the data has expired, that should do it.
If he does like cotc2001 does and has it hooked up to a PC regularly, then leave the auto-download via Actice Sync checked to get regular updates when connected.
Tom Tom 6 and Google Maps Combination
If you're a newcomer or person who gravitate towards stability or functionality like me, you're better off with Tom Tom V6. It's extremely user friendly and very stable in most, if not all, cooked roms. Most other GPS softwares are not as functional, require tweaks and tricks to make it work, clash with other installed apps (ie HTC Home, etc). IGO 8, to me, is eye candy (similar to the eye-phone, lol), and a severe memory hog to the point it'll make your device reboot. The time it takes most people to get most GPS apps working correctly on their device might as well cook up several Diamond or Kaiser roms, lol, for that matter. Tom Tom V7 (I read) is good, but it's still relatively new and require tweaks as well. When it comes to GPS, it is, in my humble opinion, that a GPS app/software (PDA/PNA) should be stable, functional, user friendly, and more importantly it's RELIABLE. Believe that!!!.
If you want simple, clear cut, easy to read directions with/without voice, and stability ... Tom Tom 6 is the way to go and require no tweaking or editing of any kind like the others. I would also recommend the latest version Google Maps (require data plan) as well. It's a good combo and they compliment each other nicely.
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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
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All the items in this path are unchecked. I'm still getting those stupid messages when I've told it not to notify me when updates are required.
whk said:
AHHHH!!!! WIFI - sure - should work with no problem - if I were him though I would make sure that I search for how to turn off getting data accidentally - he still wants to turn off his popup and I don't know how to do that - do you?
Bill
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I have NODATA installed and running on the phone so I've disabled all connections to ATT Data. This does prevent me from accidently getting data correct?
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Start QuickGPS, then menu -> options and uncheck the option to autoupdate.
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That dams message popped up again. The following choices are under the above path and all 3 are unchecked.
1)Remind me when data expires
2)Auto download when data expires
3)Auto download when connected to PC via activesync
I repeat all 3 are unchecked. Why is this update message still terrorizing me?
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That dams message popped up again. The following choices are under the above path and all 3 are unchecked.
1)Remind me when data expires
2)Auto download when data expires
3)Auto download when connected to PC via activesync
I repeat all 3 are unchecked. Why is this update message still terrorizing me?
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Not sure, my Tilt doesn't behave that way. Did you soft reset after unchecking them? The notifications is set by a registry key, so maybe it's not getting reset correctly?
After doing it I did turn it on & off ( soft reset). Can't I just uninstall this piece of &%$# quick gps? There's nothing listed for it under remove programs.
Hi there,
This topic is about my experience of configuring a-gps manually with a French operator. This may help others.
I installed a few day ago the last french official HTC ROM (see here)
My Diamond is SFR branded (French Vodafone), and after upgrading from the native SFR ROM to the HTC one, I felt a slowdown to get a good GPS signal for the apps I use: Googlemaps and iGo8. The signal also seemed less accurate.
I decided to investigate this way.
First of all, some elements that may be obvious for most of you, but reminding them does not hurt:
A-gps is a system that enhances GPS performance, by connecting to an a-gps server. As a matter of fact, this server makes use of cellular network signal to locate you faster. For further informations, see Wikipedia a-gps article.
AFAIK, a-gps is different from Quick GPS (see here) In particular, config values for a-gps and Quick GPS are located in different registry keys on Diamond.
Now let's get deeper into a-gps:
You can, once again AFAIK (and you'll correct me if I'm wrong ), use two kinds of a-gps server:
Your mobile vendor's server (i.e. HTC)
Your operator's server
I remembered that on some phones (at least Nokia N95), you have to define manually your a-gps server when using SFR network.
For Nokia, the problem is that the port used by the vendor's server is blocked by SFR WAP connection.
This is not the case of HTC a-gps server, since using HTC rom does not inhibit a-gps: it only seemed slower to me than with my SFR rom.
Here are the registry parameters for a-gps, on the original HTC ROM:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
"ServerPort"=dword:00001C6B
"ServerIP"="10.1.101.63"
"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059
"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032
"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001
"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF
"GPSMode"=dword:00000002
I guess "10.1.101.63" is the IP address of an HTC's a-gps server (?!)
I then downgraded to native SFR ROM, and here was the same key:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"ServerURL"="geoloc2.sfr.fr"
"GPRSConnection"="WAP SFR GPRS"
"Network"="WAP SFR GPRS"
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
"EnabledPrivacyMethod"=dword:00000000
"CloseConfirmMsgTime"=dword:0000003C
"PrivacyMethod"=dword:00000000
"EnableLocInfo"=dword:00000001
"ServerPort"=dword:00001C6B
"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059
"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032
"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001
"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF
"GPSMode"=dword:00000002
As you see, the server is defined with its URL, "geoloc2.sfr.fr" (known as one of SFR's a-gps servers), and some parameters are different.
Of course, you have to replace "WAP SFR GPRS" by the network connection you want to use.
I upgraded to HTC ROM again, and set the operator's rom values.
Now I've got the feeling that it's harder, better, faster, stronger (and more accurate).
By the way, QuickGPS is configured in the following key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\QuickGPS].
Note that, on SFR branded rom, this key does not even exist.
Hope this helps.
I've wondered why Quick GPS seems to replace the A-GPS feature on the diamond. QuickGPS doesn't seem to do a damn thing for me. From cold boot, I can stand in open air for 5 minutes until I even start to get a peek at a couple of satellites. How can we be sure that QuickGPS is even working at all?
I used to own a Nokia N95 that had the A-GPS feature, the GPS inside the N95 was pretty average. But with the A-GPS feature you could at least get a lock in under 10 seconds, every time. As long as you had configured your positioning server, (supl.nokia.com) and you had a data connection, then it was consistently under 10 seconds from cold boot. Without A-GPS it was more like 5 minutes plus, basically what I'm seeing on the diamond.
As people have noticed, using tools like Advanced Config to enable A-GPS breaks the GPS completely. Probably because of the missing settings such as you have outlined above, (I noticed these settings while poking around in the registry recently too). I wonder how we can find out what the server names for other countries are and get this working for eveyone.
Also, the IP address 10.1.101.63 is a private IP address so I guess that explains why it fails when you switch AGPS on, that address will never be contactable, so they must have used it for some kind of internal testing - but if it's working for you (with your new settings) then why did HTC choose to leave it broken for the other ROMS....
Well... Since I updated to this last HTC rom, QuickGPS "does work". I mean, it is an installed program, therefore available in "programs" list, and when I launch it, I can "download" data to update it. Though I don't have a cue of what use is made of this technology on Diamond.
I've always used Advanced Config to enable A-GPS, and it has always worked for me. But if it breaks the GPS, I guess you can do it from the registry by setting "EnableAGPS" value to 1.
I also tested a N95 8Go recently, and I had the same results.
But I'm not sure to understand your need: Diamond has both A-GPS and QuickGPS. I don't think QuickGPS is very efficient, but A-GPS is.
I do also think that setting the "ServerIP" value to "10.1.101.63" must work worldwide, since I bet this is HTC's a-gps server.
With this, GPS signal takes about 30 seconds to lock (at first use after soft-reseting, but may be under 10 seconds for next uses).
Did you give it a try?
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Well... Since I updated to this last HTC rom, QuickGPS "does work". I mean, it is an installed program, therefore available in "programs" list, and when I launch it, I can "download" data to update it. Though I don't have a cue of what use is made of this technology on Diamond.
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Yes I have i too, and it connects and downloads data ok. But does it speed up a GPS lock? I don't think it does. I've hard reset and just run TomTom without QuickGPS and then with QuickGPS and I cannot for the life if me see any difference at all. In TomTom Satellite screen, you can see no data. If it was working, you should see all Satellite 'numbers' in their respective little boxes and then the tracking would begin almost immediately. But I'm not seeing this.
I've always used Advanced Config to enable A-GPS, and it has always worked for me. But if it breaks the GPS, I guess you can do it from the registry by setting "EnableAGPS" value to 1.
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Many people have said that enabling A-GPS (via advanced config or direct reg edit) makes the GPS stop working completely i.e. never getting a lock. If you have got this working for you, as far as I know, you're one of the first! Lucky you!
But I'm not sure to understand your need: Diamond has both A-GPS and QuickGPS. I don't think QuickGPS is very efficient, but A-GPS is.
I do also think that setting the "ServerIP" value to "10.1.101.63" must work worldwide, since I bet this is HTC's a-gps server.
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No that IP address is within a private non-routable range for internal private networks and cannot be reached from the internet. Read this if you want more info.
I do agree though on the A-GPS being better, and with my experience with Nokia phones A-GPS is excellent. I don't understand what it is that QuickGPS is trying to do, because there is nothing quick about it. I thought it would be similar to A-GPS (in how it actually works) but now I'm confused :/
With this, GPS signal takes about 30 seconds to lock (at first use after soft-reseting, but may be under 10 seconds for next uses).
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Now that's the sort of time we all should expect when using an assisted/quick GPS aid to the actual GPS chip. It should be lightning fast. So to me it says QuickGPS is pretty lame, as everyone is using it by default in all ROMS and there are many many people complaining about the GPS not getting a lock at all. So it can't possibly be working properly. And if it is, it still sux.
I'm going to try and replicate those settings you have above on my Diamond and see how it goes. I'll post back shortly.
OK well I've put all those settings in, but still no luck. It is not working. I've been waiting several minutes and still cant even get a fix.
It's not out of the realms of possibility that SFR's A-GPS server can only be used by SFR customers. After all, they assign you your IP address when you connect to the web on your diamond so they could easily lock it down so that random people cannot use it. In fact that would make a lot of sense.
I think we're close, but I guess we need to find a SUPL A-GPS server that is open to the public, maybe? Or certainly at least find out if HTC has one that we can use that is accessible via the internet... Maybe someone else has some ideas?
you can try: "supl.nokia.com" instead of "geoloc2.sfr.fr"
Have you tried this, and what port does it use?
I'd been playing some more and found out having it enabled really screws things up - TomTom thinks it has a lock, then it doesn't, then it does, then it doesn't, etc. It's really bugging out. So I just switched it off.
I'm really interested to know though if A-GPS will help with the ongoing GPS-Lag/inaccuracies problem, some poeple have reported that the lag is fixed in the new OS builds floating around but I can confirm that it is not fixed - in fact it felt like it was worse!
This GPS is causing too many headaches!!!
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Have you tried this, and what port does it use?
I'd been playing some more and found out having it enabled really screws things up - TomTom thinks it has a lock, then it doesn't, then it does, then it doesn't, etc. It's really bugging out. So I just switched it off.
I'm really interested to know though if A-GPS will help with the ongoing GPS-Lag/inaccuracies problem, some poeple have reported that the lag is fixed in the new OS builds floating around but I can confirm that it is not fixed - in fact it felt like it was worse!
This GPS is causing too many headaches!!!
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I'm also in Australia and i'm having the exact issues as you in regards to GPS lag and inaccuracies, i do however get a fix quite quickly, first time after a ROM change it takes a while but after that its somewhere between 30 sec and 1 min 30. I have changed my rom many times updating to all the latest custom ROM's, still its inaccuracy remains, its about 40 metres off on my device. I live inhouse number 16 and yet it tells me I'm at house 20. Like WTF........
What a pain in the arse!!!!
I got ip adress of HTC aGPS server!
its the 64.14.59.165
you got to just change the htc stock server of the diamond to this and its working well for me.
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I'm also in Australia and i'm having the exact issues as you in regards to GPS lag and inaccuracies, i do however get a fix quite quickly, first time after a ROM change it takes a while but after that its somewhere between 30 sec and 1 min 30. I have changed my rom many times updating to all the latest custom ROM's, still its inaccuracy remains, its about 40 metres off on my device. I live inhouse number 16 and yet it tells me I'm at house 20. Like WTF........
What a pain in the arse!!!!
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Tell me about it. Mine is about 50m off 90% of the time, sometimes it looks like it might be ok. The other thing I noticed today is that the 'speedo' in TomTom i.e. the bit on the status bar that tells you how fast you're going - which is usually very accurate - still tells me I'm going 15km/h, then slowly counts down to zero anything up to 20 seconds after reaching a complete stop! I am starting to regret spending money on TomTom. But to quantify that, I don't blame THEM, I'm just pissed I've shelled out so much for the Diamond + TomTom and the fkng things dont work properly. We have to get to the bottom of this!
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Tell me about it. Mine is about 50m off 90% of the time, sometimes it looks like it might be ok. The other thing I noticed today is that the 'speedo' in TomTom i.e. the bit on the status bar that tells you how fast you're going - which is usually very accurate - still tells me I'm going 15km/h, then slowly counts down to zero anything up to 20 seconds after reaching a complete stop! I am starting to regret spending money on TomTom. But to quantify that, I don't blame THEM, I'm just pissed I've shelled out so much for the Diamond + TomTom and the fkng things dont work properly. We have to get to the bottom of this!
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Yep, its all the same issues I'm having, but not just with tomtom, I'm using iGo8 and garmin XT with no success.
This was written by me on another thread complaining about the GPS.
I called HTC support Australia and informed them off its fault with GPS lag and its accuracy, I informed them that over 50% of users are having this issue on the XDA forum, they told me that no fault has been logged and there isn't an issue, It may be time to call up the tech support and make some noise to get this issue resolved. its a pain in the arse and it shouldn't be happening.
I also called up Hong Kong Customer support the other day and they said the exact same thing...... i think.... the chicks English was just deplorable.
I think i may call the Australian HTC support again, and just irritate the **** out of them, hopefully this time they may have a solution for me.
saveferris said:
I think i may call the Australian HTC support again, and just irritate the **** out of them, hopefully this time they may have a solution for me.
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I hope you can get somewhere mate! Good luck!
lowrider_05 said:
its the 64.14.59.165
you got to just change the htc stock server of the diamond to this and its working well for me.
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anyone tried if this really works?
Is IgO 8 working with A-GPS enabled?
Thanks
Update/Refresh of GPS data
Maybe a stupid question, but how can I update the a-GPS data or does the device update the data automatically?
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lit2fly said:
anyone tried if this really works?
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Well, it does seem to be some kind of Navigation related server - I am trying now...
Well, it doesn't seem to have made a difference - but I will test some more...
lowrider - where did you find that IP?
What is the data amount when using AGPS ?
Are some data only transferred when opening TomTom ?
steph90 said:
What is the data amount when using AGPS ?
Are some data only transferred when opening TomTom ?
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It should be only a few KB send, and then a little more KB received.
It should only happen when the GPS is activated (e.g. you start TomTom) and then the A-GPS would kick in then. It should not transfer any more data unless you lost the GPS signal, then it would assist the GPS in getting a lock again, and therefore transfer another few KB.
anyone know of a program that only uses the AGPS on the kaiser? ( like how the GPS on the iPhone works or how google maps gets you location) it would be nice to have the option to use the AGPS on its own to save some battery life and have a faster fix since the fix times suck on WM6.1
Thanks guys and gals
might want to try the program KaiserTweak, i thought it has the option to activate A-GPS only.. but im not sure...
i dont know if it would work with TomTom or any other prog that normally uses GPS though..
what iphone 2g use is not agps
agps is an extention of normal gps
it's not the term used for pinpointing ones
location by requesting the gsm network
What you're referring to in google maps is Cell ID positioning, and that's what the 2G iphone uses.
As said, the AGPS as we have it on the Kaiser only refers to the ability to download satellite position data from the web via QuickGPS and thus enabling faster times to first fix, and having a "guesstimating" algorithm that will try to continue giving you a position when sat coverage is too low to get a real one.
The GPS on the 3G iphone also is a "real" GPS receiver that draws power, however while the Kaiser can get satellite path info from the sats if the online data is not available or outdated, only slower, the one in the iphone can ONLY get it online, thus rendering the GPS useless if there's no network coverage. Dead stupid IMO.
got it, thanks for the explination
kilrah said:
The GPS on the 3G iphone also is a "real" GPS receiver that draws power, however while the Kaiser can get satellite path info from the sats if the online data is not available or outdated, only slower, the one in the iphone can ONLY get it online, thus rendering the GPS useless if there's no network coverage. Dead stupid IMO.
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Dead wrong, sir. Read here:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/app...-the-iphones-gps-without-a-network-connection
http://www.autonavigationgps.com/using-the-iphones-gps-without-a-network-connection/
Do some research before you make statements with big capital letters that make it seem like you know what you're talking about.
I have both phones, I know that the iPhone 3G's GPS unit will work without a data connection, it just takes five minutes or so. Kind of like the GPS on my Tilt if I don't use Quick GPS first.
dzelaya18 said:
Do some research before you make statements with big capital letters that make it seem like you know what you're talking about.
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Well, Sorry for that. I however DID research, and the source I got that info from stated it clearly enough here:
A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use a data connection (internet, or other) to contact the assistance server. Alternatively, it may use standard non-assisted GPS, which is slower and less accurate, but does not lead to network charges for data traffic, which can be considerable.[3] Some A-GPS solutions do not have the option of falling back to conventional GPS (as with the new iPhone 3G).
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Seems I just fell into my first "Wikipedia is wrong" occurrence
No problem mate. With no data connection, it's about as slow as using my Tilt with Quick GPS. Which is to say, super slow. And just like my Tilt with Live Search or Google Maps, even getting the fix doesn't do much good unless you've got the maps cached into memory.
EDIT: I meant to say, "...about as slow as using my Tilt without Quick GPS."
Hi, I'm a new member, but more of a lurker. I originally planned to buy a Hermes but after reading about all the hardware problems I decided to go for the Kaiser. My question is, are there any major problems with the Kaiser? I know of the ImageON driver issues, are there any other hardware or software issues?
I don't think there's any fundamental problem with the hardware. The 3 Mp camera is not great, but what do you expect of a camera on a phone?
There a lot of ROMs, official and cooked, you can choose one that suits you.
Mine works pretty well with the original WM 6.0 ROM or the HTC official 3.02 one. With more recent ROMs or radio firmware I have problems with GPS fix times and access to WiFi routers.
Thanks for the fast reply!
I'm sorry to ask this in the Kaiser forum, but would going for the Hermes be worse than the Kaiser? They're essentially the same, except that I've read of a lot of h/w problems on the Hermes.
Hermes is awful next to the Kaiser. I still have mine here, had to use it while my Kaiser was being repaired a few months ago and it was just a PITA. Slow as hell, deeply embossed and lower quality screen,... But I can't talk of hardware problems with it.
If you get a 2nd hand Kaiser, the important points you need to check is that 3G is working (early units had faulty 3G hardware that would fail after some time, but most should have been warranty-fixed by now), and that the USB port is not broken as some tend to break it by shoving the stylus in it instead of the storage place.
I guess I know which phone I'm going for thanks!
One more question! sorry lol, I know the Kaiser has A-GPS, do you have to pay for it? If I put TomTom on my Kaiser will I have to pay for using the assisted GPS?
Also, is CorePlayer working fine on the Kaiser, mainly with xvid/avi files?
A-GPS aka QuickGPS will want to download a small file off the internet at least once a week, be it through Wifi, Activesync or whatever else is available to get satellite data and allow for shorter times to first fix, that's all. And if you don't want to use it you're not forced to, it will just take a little longer to get a fix.
So nothing to pay, except if you decide to download that little file over GPRS where your data fees would apply.
Coreplayer works fine, I personally reencode my videos in 320x240 divx for viewing with it. Never really tried anything else for video.
Alright, thanks amigo!
kilrah said:
A-GPS aka QuickGPS will want to download a small file off the internet at least once a week, be it through Wifi, Activesync or whatever else is available to get satellite data and allow for shorter times to first fix, that's all. And if you don't want to use it you're not forced to, it will just take a little longer to get a fix.
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AGPS is not the same thing as QuickGPS (though it took me ages to realise).
Quick GPS is what you describe and is generally considered to be worthwhile.
AGPS is similar, but it downloads more specific information which (I believe) is based on which phone masts you're near - and therefore should be even better for getting a good fix. The problems are A - It will cost money if you have to pay for your internet connection and B - apparently (though I've never used it) it will sometimes update the data while you're actually using GPS and as a result lose your fix while you're driving somewhere. A lot of people don't like AGPS at all.
dancj said:
AGPS is not the same thing as QuickGPS (though it took me ages to realise).
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Well.. it is in some way. The problem is that AGPS can be implemented in different ways up to different extents...
The first thing is what is mentioned above - downloading ephemeris data from the net instead of getting it directly from the satellites, which would require continuous link with each satellite for about 1 minute. First fix time is thus shortened as the data for 1 week is stored locally. This is what QuickGPS and SeaSGEE do.
The usual "Disable AGPS" in KaiserTweak / Advanced Config is a second thing. It switches to a different position calculation algorithm that is supposed to work better in low signal conditions, by extrapolating the movement at the time signal is lost and trying to guesstimate how it could evolve everytime some signal is received. But many people don't like that as it's only giving decent results in certain conditions like driving, and when walking, geocaching etc it does nothing more than giving wrong info.
What you mention by using cell towers and an internet database is also something that can be done under the AGPS naming, but AFAIK it's not implemented on the Kaiser.
It sounds like you know more about it than I do so I'll bow to your greater knowledge