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Battery problem

Hi,
I just bought my Kaiser 4 days ago.
I am using the bluetooth adn an SDHC card.
My problem is, following: the batter goes every day empty! I unplugged from the charger 4hours (I was using the phone for one our), and the batter is on 34%.
Do you have the same problem or my batter is wrong?
tnx:
Adrián

Wow, really fast battery drain.
No, I dont have that fast drain.
Do you use data connection all the time? Wi-fi? 3G?
Backlight? Power off when device is not used ...
Worth to check.

I switched off the online data connection and the 3G..
I jut pulled off the SDHC card for testing the battery...
I hope it will help..
How often do you charge the battery, and how long do you use the phone per day?

It depends ... between 1 or 2 days ... and I usually charge when it is at 30% - 50%, during evening.
And I use 3G for browsing the internet for now and then randomly also MSN/Yahoo chat.
I suggest to hard-reset, and run your phone without any app installed.
Then see the battery drain.

big source of battery drain for me was the WiFi and the push email.

I have also noticed the battery drains pretty damn fast. Much faster than my wizard it would seem. I am slowly disabling things to see if I can find the source. Otherwise I am calling HTC and getting a new battery.

Are you leaving Bluetooth on? That will drain the battery pretty quick

Pooper said:
Are you leaving Bluetooth on? That will drain the battery pretty quick
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Nope - no bluetooth - no push email. Its very wierd.

sorry i was referring to the OP

I am using the Spb GPRS Monitor.... Does it need extra battery power?

Pooper said:
Are you leaving Bluetooth on? That will drain the battery pretty quick
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I think that is not correct. Bluetooth hardly has any influence on the battery drain.
You can leave it on for ever.
But do a test yourselve.
1. Load the battery 100 %
2. Set bluetooth on or of and put your baby to sleep for 8 hours.
3. Check the battery situation in the morning, the first time you start using it. You should, in 8 hours, not have lost more that 4 till 5%.
That is with GPRS and no 3G or HSDPA. I did not test that, but...
You will see that a night with, or without, makes hardly any diiference.
But maybe I am wrong.
My personal experience is that using GPRS ( Phone=GSM only) is the most efficient. Especially if you have Messenger on the whole time.
Huib

Hi
When Bluetooth is on the device will not go into standby even if the screen appears dark as Bluetooth needs the OS to be alive to work, so if you have programs loaded that are using CPU cycles the battery will drain quickly as these programs will run continually.
Regards
Phil

The only thing that I am saying is that my phone, in 8 hours, with bluetooth on, uses max 4% of battery drain. With blutooth off I see no difference.
The phone is in sleeping mode, so people can call me. What else can I say?
So I cannot say that Bluetooth drains my battery faster. At least not visible to me.
I tested did a long time ago with several systems. the last one, before my Tytn II came was on blootooth its whole life. And now again I see the same at my little kaiser.
Huib
P.s. and then this.
I see as standbye the situation, that I only can switch it back on with sliding the keyboard or the power switch. If other keys do not react, is in't this standbye? The rest of the discussion I prefer to leave to better specialists on this forum

herpi said:
The rest of the discussion I prefer to leave to better specialists on this forum
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How rude!

Lol... i think he meant others than himself not the other poster.

darkilici said:
Lol... i think he meant others than himself not the other poster.
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Absolutely.
Huib

For Best battery life you should make a false Push email and set it to check manualy there is info on google about how to do this. thats only if you dont use exchange. Also NO bluetooth yes it does suck lots of juice! Also make sure you dissable the IR connections that also sucks juice. there are also power saving reg tweaks in the registy that you can find in the Wiki

There is no I/R in Kaiser, and BT standby seems to draw very little. I leave mine all the time, I loose about 5% battery overnight. WiFi is a completely different story, it's a power PIG.

austinsnyc said:
For Best battery life you should make a false Push email and set it to check manualy there is info on google about how to do this. thats only if you dont use exchange. Also NO bluetooth yes it does suck lots of juice! Also make sure you dissable the IR connections that also sucks juice. there are also power saving reg tweaks in the registy that you can find in the Wiki
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I still disagree.
When bluetooth is just ON and not connected to any device it hardly consums power. (IMHO)
Do a simple test and let it on for a night sleep with and without bluetooth.
When connected to a headset or whatever it of course consumes.
Pls tell me the difference.,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305518&highlight=battery
Huib

I have had my TyTN II since Tuesday the 25th - so only 2 days now. I pulled the phone out of the charger at 6:50am this morning. I have WiFi turned OFF (only use at night when I am surfing while watching TV). I have BlueTooth off. I do have BB Connect installed and running with 1 BES account and 3 BIS accounts. I was on the phone for maybe 5 total minutes so far this morning - and I surfed for like 10 minutes via EDGE on the way to work. I do have SPB Mobile Shell 1.5 installed, but from what I read it doesn't effect battery life. I have the unit set to shut the screen off after 2 minutes....and my LCD brightness is at like 70% or so.
With all this - as of 10:35am this morning - I am already down to 75% battery. At this rate, the phone will be dead before 5pm....! Not even a full day.
Man - I hope this gets better because I can't run my life with phone plugged in half the day just so it will last me!

Found a way to extend my battery life, weird though

I was just wondering if someone can test it out as well. Ok my situation is that I used to put my phone in standby with nothing on such as my phone looking for email every so minutes because I set those to manual. Don't have any programs running as well. Well when I would wake up my phone the battery would be drained substantially. Example of this was I had my phone at 100 percent charge, went to bed and when I woke up my phone wouldn't wake up so I popped out the battery, put it back in and 28 percent battery. I was like wtf I'm not even using my phone. Well I noticed that if I turn on my bluetooth the battery does not drain like it does when it's off. Kind of weird but I've tested this out and it works. I am using Shaps: 4.31 ROM English and Radio: 1.27.15.32 (I remember reading that this radio was a BETA but I've been using it for almost 2 months maybe more) I'm thinking about switching my radio for another one. Just wanted to let you guys know it's weird. I find myself keeping my bluetooth on all the time so the battery doesn't drain as fast. I can actually get a full days use of my phone now. Weird huh?

Yup - weird - I find exactly the opposite. I turn off my bluetooth when I do not specifically need it to SAVE my bettery.
Bill

I have an even different situation. Since I constantly use my bluetooth headset, I leave Bluetooth in the "On" mode all day and night. The thing is, I charged my battery until it was at 100%, left it on the counter (not charging) for the night (approx. 8-9 hours) and when I woke up, it was at 98%!
Keep in mind, Bluetooth and WiFi were both turned on. Good stuff.

Commas are your friend.
As it is, it's barely readable.

gqstatus0685 said:
I was just wondering if someone can test it out as well. Ok my situation is that I used to put my phone in standby with nothing on such as my phone looking for email every so minutes because I set those to manual. Don't have any programs running as well. Well when I would wake up my phone the battery would be drained substantially. Example of this was I had my phone at 100 percent charge, went to bed and when I woke up my phone wouldn't wake up so I popped out the battery, put it back in and 28 percent battery. I was like wtf I'm not even using my phone. Well I noticed that if I turn on my bluetooth the battery does not drain like it does when it's off. Kind of weird but I've tested this out and it works. I am using Shaps: 4.31 ROM English and Radio: 1.27.15.32 (I remember reading that this radio was a BETA but I've been using it for almost 2 months maybe more) I'm thinking about switching my radio for another one. Just wanted to let you guys know it's weird. I find myself keeping my bluetooth on all the time so the battery doesn't drain as fast. I can actually get a full days use of my phone now. Weird huh?
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If your battery is draining over night when your not using it, it's probably because you have something running in the background. You might have "closed" something and then it was actually still running. Try installing AlltheWay's task manager. This aids in making sure nothing is running in the background.
I'd upload the cab but I'm at work and don't have it.
Getting a full days use out of your phone is NOT something you should be happy about. I get 2 days with Wifi and Bluetooth use.
@ kamilzmielca: Your Wifi connection goes to sleep when your phone does, so your Wifi actually wasn't running over night.

gqstatus0685 said:
I was just wondering if someone can test it out as well. Ok my situation is that I used to put my phone in standby with nothing on such as my phone looking for email every so minutes because I set those to manual. Don't have any programs running as well. Well when I would wake up my phone the battery would be drained substantially. Example of this was I had my phone at 100 percent charge, went to bed and when I woke up my phone wouldn't wake up so I popped out the battery, put it back in and 28 percent battery. I was like wtf I'm not even using my phone. Well I noticed that if I turn on my bluetooth the battery does not drain like it does when it's off. Kind of weird but I've tested this out and it works. I am using Shaps: 4.31 ROM English and Radio: 1.27.15.32 (I remember reading that this radio was a BETA but I've been using it for almost 2 months maybe more) I'm thinking about switching my radio for another one. Just wanted to let you guys know it's weird. I find myself keeping my bluetooth on all the time so the battery doesn't drain as fast. I can actually get a full days use of my phone now. Weird huh?
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This could also be related to this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371734

yeap, mine does the same thing, thought i was crazy, but with bluetooth on i save battery life.

Yeah man I thought I was going crazy also. To the previous poster all the programs are fully shut down. I've had many pda's (windows) and I am familiar with how they work. I fully shut everything down and then put it to sleep. Bluetooth seems to be extending my battery. Like I said before all my email I have setup in the phone I set so I manually have to send/receive instead of it looking for it at a predestined time. Nothing is automatically connecting (as in programs) I'll look a little deeper, it may be due to the radio version on my Kaiser. Any input on this guys?

gqstatus0685 said:
Yeah man I thought I was going crazy also. To the previous poster all the programs are fully shut down. I've had many pda's (windows) and I am familiar with how they work. I fully shut everything down and then put it to sleep. Bluetooth seems to be extending my battery. Like I said before all my email I have setup in the phone I set so I manually have to send/receive instead of it looking for it at a predestined time. Nothing is automatically connecting (as in programs) I'll look a little deeper, it may be due to the radio version on my Kaiser. Any input on this guys?
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you could try to measure the actual battery usage with "BatteryStatus" with and without bluetooth. Would be interesting to see the differences.

Maybe the bluetooth is slowly charging the phone when on through the radio waves! or some mad theory
I might give this a try as my phones lasts about a day atm

My phone lasts about a day at the most with full battery charge. 2 hour of talk time plus the other stuff I usually do. 2 days is crazy maybe you don't have as much programs on your phone so you use it less. (to the previous poster) I will get that battery program and do a test to see the difference.

another crazy idiot here: bluetooth on also gives me a longer battery life...
is this a joke from HCT??????

pietrucci said:
another crazy idiot here: bluetooth on also gives me a longer battery life...
is this a joke from HCT??????
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Your not crazy man! I'm doing a test now with BatteryStatus and notice that I actually get a lower mA reading with BT on. This is messed up.
When I fist read this thread I though everyone was nuts, now I think I've just entered the rubber room. lol

I could imagine, that some application or some part of the operation system is trying to communicate with the bluetooth stack. And when bluetooth is turned of, it tries it again and again. Where when bluetooth is turned on it justs recognizes, that bluetooth is on but no device is paired and doesn't bother any more.
Just an Idea. But it would be interesting to find out if this also happens with an absolutely clean device after hardreset. And if so, if this applys to all ROMs.

I mentioned in another thread, but I installed that new Google Search bar that came out the other day. It sits on your Today Page. Battery life went to heck when it was active. As soon as I disabled it, battery life improved. I'll try turning on BT. You never know.

Just an update.
I've flashed duttys new release (in my sig) and the mA reading is where its supposed to be (between 1-5) WITHOUT having bluetooth running. I'll test with BT on for a little and post back.
EDIT: With BT on I seem to have the same power drain as I would normally.... which is great cuz I usuall leave it on anyway.

This BT phenomena might have something to do with the flashed ROM you guys are using. I've got the standard HTC TyTN2 default ROM and BT on definitely sucks battery power more than without.

Very strange. I could even see it being possible...
With bluetooth on in standby it's doing sub-10mA (5-8mA). With the screen on, it's about 80mA to 100mA.
With bluetooth off in standby it's doing sub-10 again... maybe a little lower.... and with the screen on... still around 80mA.
Doesn't seem to be having the desired effect on my phone (stock O2 ROM), but then I can already get 2 days out of my phone without too many problems.

Now it only saves my battery granted if I'm not using a bluetooth headset. If i'm using bluetooth like via a headset it will drain fast. If I have it on but not using any Bluetooth devices it saves my battery.

Bluetooth on... wtf??
Hi all
... unbelievable, i test this on my device too, and i can confirm -> Bluetooth On (but not using it) saves my battery!!!
Info:
WM6 Pro CE 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2)
ROM: 1.56.408.5
Radio: 1.27.12.11
It could be added to the Wiki!!!

Problem: very weak battery, even for the diamond!

Hello guys!
It's nearlly my first posting here, but i'm reading this forum for quite a while now.
I finally got an Xda diamond and everything was ok the first couple of days, even the battery was satisfying. When i use it really much, the battery lasts for about a day, that's ok. But 2 days ago, suddenly the battery got empty from 100% down to 0% in 7 hours, although i did not use the phone much. I had a call for about an hour and that's it.
Knowing there are some possibilities to save energy, i followed some advice from this forum:
- took down the display light to stage 2
- switched off UMTS
- switched off GPS
- installed powermanagement.cab
- switched off RSS Hub auto-download
- made sure there are no applications running in the background all day
- made sure there are no data-connections like Bluetooth or GPRS running all day
I also installed PowerGuard v1.2 which told me, my Diamond drains about 65 mA, what seems to be a proper value, comparing to other peoples around here.
This morning i took the Diamond off the charging cable at 8:00 and it switched off at 16:00. I only used it for a 1 hour phone call again, thats all. I did not do anything else with it.
I don't unterstand, why it lasted much longer the first couple of days. Anybody have an idea?
Thx so far!

1. Check with Task Manager Cpu proccess
2. Hard Restet ?

I have the same problem AND additionally sudden softresets.
The battery is defect. I will buy a new one and o2 will refund the money.

wedge210483 said:
... But 2 days ago, suddenly the battery got empty from 100% down to 0% in 7 hours, although i did not use the phone much. I had a call for about an hour and that's it.
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The battery is not supposed to get empty to anywhere near 0%, it can be damaged if it does. The phone is supposed to turn off to prevent that happening.
If killing tasks does not help, maybe you just got a bad battery? Edit: ^^^ What he said!
Here's a useful link for information on Li-ion batteries: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

Hi!
I recently found the solution. My sim-card was too old! I had been using it for about 4 years. A couple of days ago, I ordered a new one from my provider (O2 Germany) for free. Since I changed the sim-card, I never had any problems with the battery anymore.
Why didn't I find this advice anywhere?
Cheers

Your SIM card was "too old"? My technical prowess is nothing to brag about, but even I can tell you that that could hardly have been the cause.

Older Sims seem to drain more battery power...

I have to agree with H3x ... I don't see how a SIM card would have any effect on battery life.
As a point of reference, I'm very satisfied with my battery life. I charge it for an hour or two a couple times a week. I am diligent about turning off WiFi, Bluetooth, and running apps when not in use, but other than that I don't do anything special.

With GSM band manually selected in phone options and moderate use, my diamond can last over 2 days, with "auto" band selection it barely lasts a day...it just drains stock battery so much, even in standby...but I still can't be happier with my device, no matter what
Decided to watch battery more carefully over PowerGuard, some things started to make more sense...

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With GSM band manually selected in phone options and moderate use, my diamond can last over 2 days
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Yeah, I have that selected too, so I'm sure that helps. Maybe the OP should try it?

Battery Problem

Hey,
I thought updated firmware fixed the stock messaging battery issue?
My phone had a full charge and 2 hours later, 15 texts sent/received, im down to 87% Just unlocking my screen now, i went from 89% to 87%!!
What is going on!! I have SMS popup.

I was just looking up stuff because my phone lately has been draining fast and I really have not been using it. I am at 65% and I have barely been using it today.It came off the charge at 10 and it's 12:30 now. Something is up. I can't seem to find an app that tells me which apps are using data in the background cause I think that might be my problem. Also, I checked Spare Parts and it said Facebook was Partially Awake for over 30 mins with only 14 hours up time. Hmm. I don't even have Facebook set to auto sync.

vrundmc said:
Hey,
I thought updated firmware fixed the stock messaging battery issue?
My phone had a full charge and 2 hours later, 15 texts sent/received, im down to 87% Just unlocking my screen now, i went from 89% to 87%!!
What is going on!! I have SMS popup.
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Post your up and awake times.

I've had this issue since I had this phone. I go to school with 100% charge at 8:30 and by the time I get out 12:30 it's usually around 55-65% with very limited usage. I've had fresh rom, modaco, and all the available aosp roms and it's the same issue no matter what so I just learned that if I want this phone it's has to live on the charger when I don't use it.

cheyne1 said:
I've had this issue since I had this phone. I go to school with 100% charge at 8:30 and by the time I get out 12:30 it's usually around 55-65% with very limited usage. I've had fresh rom, modaco, and all the available aosp roms and it's the same issue no matter what so I just learned that if I want this phone it's has to live on the charger when I don't use it.
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How many bars do you get in the classroom? Poor phone signal will drain a phone very fast. There's a couple conference rooms here where I work in the basement where phones get no signal and I see the battery on my phone drain much faster. This happened on all my previous phones as well (HTC Mogul, Diamond, etc.).
-Daryel

cheyne1 said:
I've had this issue since I had this phone. I go to school with 100% charge at 8:30 and by the time I get out 12:30 it's usually around 55-65% with very limited usage. I've had fresh rom, modaco, and all the available aosp roms and it's the same issue no matter what so I just learned that if I want this phone it's has to live on the charger when I don't use it.
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In school.....
how does it perform outside of school.. when you are at home on weekends or other places????
I am only guessing here..
but at big university, the buildings are very big.. and sometimes in hard to get receptions areas...
so, the phone might be looking for the phone network, and that will drain the battery very fast...

sorry, where can I find up and awake times? Total newbie I know...
I found "Time spent without sleeping: 36 Minutes"
I also noticed that my battery is at 73% now for SysTray Monitor but the HTC battery icon is nowhere near 1/4th gone. Looks like 1/10th is gone.

battery drain at school
another thing to consider is that if the school has wifi available and your's is turned on on the phone, it may be connecting or attempting to connect, to the school's wifi. just a thought. i tend to turn mine off, as well as my bluetooth headset, when i go to work. seems to help, but i also have a battery drain problem. this doesn't solve it, but, like i said, it helps. i also turn my screen off manually, rather than just setting it down and letting the screen turn off automatically. every bit of energy saved helps, but it will only get about 25-50 percent better. doesn't completely solve the battery drain problem. if anyone finds a sure-fire way to solve this problem, please post and post and post. i've seen this problem arise all over the place on XDA as well as other sites. may even start a new thread with the solution so it will pop up in the search.

daryelv said:
How many bars do you get in the classroom? Poor phone signal will drain a phone very fast. There's a couple conference rooms here where I work in the basement where phones get no signal and I see the battery on my phone drain much faster. This happened on all my previous phones as well (HTC Mogul, Diamond, etc.).
-Daryel
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Dan330 said:
In school.....
how does it perform outside of school.. when you are at home on weekends or other places????
I am only guessing here..
but at big university, the buildings are very big.. and sometimes in hard to get receptions areas...
so, the phone might be looking for the phone network, and that will drain the battery very fast...
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I guess this isn't something I have not really looked at but now it does make sense, b/c in some rooms it is hit or miss so i'll just throw it into airplane mode when i'm indoors and see how that goes. Thanks

by the way...
i am also experiencing a situation where when i plug my phone in to charge, it will charge regularly through about 80%, then it seems to fly through the last 20% within a matter of minutes. it was at 82% last night when i checked it (it was already on the charger for about an hour). then i put a bowl of soup in the microwave for 2 1/2 minutes. when my soup was done i just happened to look at my phone, and it was already up to 96%! that just can't be accurate. something is causing it to either charge improperly or the battery charge reading is somehow inaccurate. anyone else experiencing this strangeness when charging that also has the battery drain problem? as many times as i've seen these problems posted together, they have got to be related to each other.

There is an option to wipe the battery in Recovery.
Charge the phone fully, and then Wipe the battery while it is still 100% charged. This will help the battery reflect a more accurate percentage.

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There is an option to wipe the battery in Recovery.
Charge the phone fully, and then Wipe the battery while it is still 100% charged. This will help the battery reflect a more accurate percentage.
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I did that, it worked for a few days...then I started to have issues. I think it was when I switched back to the stock messaging app. I was using Handcent before.

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sorry, where can I find up and awake times? Total newbie I know...
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Settings->About Phone->Status
Scroll to the bottom.

up time- 4:05
Awake time- 0:32
Seems reasonable. I was on the phone for a while

You're reading way too much into the precision of that battery widget.

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You're reading way too much into the precision of that battery widget.
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LOL.. Point taken. Thanks

well, are you guys using modaco's custom ROM or kernel? there's an issue with the power management that HTC didn't include when the released the kernel... but i'm not completely sure what causes it.

Battery and no signal

Hi all, I just got my HTC Pure over the weekend and I had a question from those with more experiecne.
First I know (or I think) that the battery life will improve over the next week or so as the battery gets used and charged. Today however was an issue. The phone came off the charger this morning at 100% and then went to work. While at work there is absolutely no signal in the building. (never has been) The only time it was on the network was a 1 hour lunch, and then light internet use for approx 25 minutes this evening. That is all, no calls, nothing, and it had 19% battery left in only 12 hours off the charger.
Again, I am sure that it will improve, but the question is ... does being off the network (GSM) drain the battery faster? Does the phone use a lot of charge "searching" for signal?
I am sure that there are a lot of things that I could do to extend battery life, as a work around (no bluetooth, plug it in to the USB on the computer at work, turn off 3g etc) but I was just curious if someone in the know on how the network and battery use go together if the dead zone is the biggest problem.
Thanks

Not exactly scientific results, but before att put decent coverage in my neighborhood, the battery seemed to drain a lot faster. I guess turning it off would help, but down to 19% that quick just seems ridiculous

cmstackar said:
Not exactly scientific results, but before att put decent coverage in my neighborhood, the battery seemed to drain a lot faster. I guess turning it off would help, but down to 19% that quick just seems ridiculous
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Funny enough it is my wifes first smart phone. I was just looking at it to change some things to better suit her needs. When I opened the task manager I discovered that a) the programs would only minimize when the X button was pushed, not close and b) windows Live messenger was loaded. I would guess that even though she was not signed in on live messenger it could have killed the battery. Gonna make a couple of tweaks to ensure that it does not fire up again, and see what it looks like tomorrow.

So today was better, but she seems to have had intermittent service. Her media net indicates that it was connected all afternoon. She burned through 40% battery in the AM and only 18% in the afternoon.
I would imagine that the location services for the weather on the sense home screen as well as possibly push email running out of control searching for the signal. I will turn things off 1 at a time until I find out what is driving the battery loss.
Is there any software to monitor battery use and what was using the battery? There is in android.

O.k. continue to have issues with this phone.
Tested last night. Charged to 100% and then light use. Approx 10% down after 3 hours.
Set commmanagerpro to turn off the data and phone radio during the hours my wife is at work. She called today and the screen is showing that the phone radio is off, but it has lost 90% in less than 4 hours. She also said it is hot.
Maybe her purse is somehow turning the screen on? Would the screen being on without any radios cause the phone to plow through battery?
I am gonna try a battery monitoring app and see if it will tell me anything. Its freekin weird.

What radio version are you running?
You may want to consider flashing to a different Radio ROM.

try to see if there are any TSR, residente program, active, maybe be the the problem...
as far as radio versions the 4.49.25.91, for my exprience run far...
you can try to swcht to other radio version...

I am using the AT&T stock radio. I flashed to the energy ROM, but the battery issue is so extreme that I doubt that the radio or the ROM are the driving factor.
She does have 3 magnets in her purse. 2 magnetic catches on her side pockets and 1 on her wallet. While I could not reproduce the device turning on by itself from the magnets, that does not mean that it is not.
The other thing is that there was some warning on the screen about the GPS signal. I imagine that is a side effect of turning off the radios, but maybe not. Is the GPS always on normally? Would a GPS pop up cause the screen to stay on for possibly 3 hours.
This afternoons test will be having her leave her phone in her jacket pocket rather than her purse. We will see how it goes.

saunet_ptg said:
try to see if there are any TSR, residente program, active, maybe be the the problem...
as far as radio versions the 4.49.25.91, for my exprience run far...
you can try to swcht to other radio version...
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I will look at that radio. I doubt its a program since I had no problems with it at home last night. It has to be environmental. My money is on the purse, but we will see. I'll post later and let you know what we came up with.
There was a few days ago where she lost 60% of her battery in the morning but only 12% after lunch, so that convinces me that it should be something that we can identify and work around.

Energy's ROM may have included the radio.
I had horrible luck with .91 and flashed back to .17.
Symptoms of a bad radio are rapid battery drain and device heating up.
Also, if the device heats up, it will no longer charge until the battery cools down.
If you have AGPS enabled, that was likely your error message when you turned off the radio.
A couple of pointers;
Make sure you monitor which programs are running as you may just be minimizing instead of closing.
Check your power settings and make sure to turn off screen after X minutes
make sure all updates (weather, e-mail, stocks, etc) are set to every hour.

Bruce Inman said:
Energy's ROM may have included the radio.
I had horrible luck with .91 and flashed back to .17.
Symptoms of a bad radio are rapid battery drain and device heating up.
Also, if the device heats up, it will no longer charge until the battery cools down.
If you have AGPS enabled, that was likely your error message when you turned off the radio.
A couple of pointers;
Make sure you monitor which programs are running as you may just be minimizing instead of closing.
Check your power settings and make sure to turn off screen after X minutes
make sure all updates (weather, e-mail, stocks, etc) are set to every hour.
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Thank you for your advise. The biggest area of opportunity from your list for me is the Radio I think.
The rapid discharge of the battery due to a bad flash, would that be location specific? The rapid drain only seems to happen in a spot where she has no signal (thus the reason I programed it to turn off the radio in those hours)
The running program should no be an issue. To prevent that, as a matter of standard setup for my phones, they have a small script that soft resets them every morning a 4am, so that they are fresh and clean for the start of the day.
As for updates, I have adjusted everything that I can, and some did not have any effect (mostly because the radio was off, can't save much more than that).
I do leave the bluetooth on all day. That should not be draining the battery in 3.5 hours though. I have read a lot of the battery life threads and many of the ideas would cripple the phone, and I am not going there. Sure maybe I don't need weather updated every 30 minutes, but I want me email when it comes in, not once every few hours. I also don't want to have to push 20 buttons each time I want to make the internet work. Its this kind of usability that sells iPhones... I hate them, but they really do just work... and my wife wants a phone that you don't need to be an expert to use.

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Thank you for your advise. The biggest area of opportunity from your list for me is the Radio I think.
The rapid discharge of the battery due to a bad flash, would that be location specific? The rapid drain only seems to happen in a spot where she has no signal (thus the reason I programed it to turn off the radio in those hours).
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Do you know how to view your radio version? Its listed on the bottom of your phone when you reset, the 3 numbers that display, R is the radio version.
You can go to the radio thread and flash another version, just keep testing different versions until you get one that works well. Radio ROMs will not overwrite your data.
Radio's are definitely location specific in regards to region and carrier.
Borderline coverage is a major battery killer, but you're disabling the radio, which should resolve that issue...
G-Profile is a nice app that allows you to set what type of connection and when.

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Energy's ROM may have included the radio.
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Mine didn't and I used the May 1st update. Still Stock.
If no signal is happening in the building, I would think it's the various things continuously trying to run, like Email, GPS etc. Constant failed attempts to update your phone's apps would definitely drag the battery down in a hurry. I have my email set to 3 hrs. updates along with weather updates. Nothing I do is so important at this point in my life that faster than 3 hr. responses are required. I also don't use things like Tweeter and FaceBook so those aren't constantly eating my battery. I get about 1.5 to 2.0 days from my battery currently.

Here is the current (no pun intended) testing results...
This AM 3.5 hours used 100% of the battery (in the purse)
This PM 4 hours used 21% of the battery (in the jacket pocket)
Gonna try to leave the phone outside of the purse all day friday and see what the results are. Then see how it works around the house on saturday, in a standard limited use type scenerio. Then Sunday put it into the purse and see if it becomes an issue again.
If all of this works out that the purse it the problem, then I will start tweaking it out, and changing radio's etc to get the max I can out of the battery.

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Here is the current (no pun intended) testing results...
This AM 3.5 hours used 100% of the battery (in the purse)
This PM 4 hours used 21% of the battery (in the jacket pocket)
Gonna try to leave the phone outside of the purse all day friday and see what the results are. Then see how it works around the house on saturday, in a standard limited use type scenerio. Then Sunday put it into the purse and see if it becomes an issue again.
If all of this works out that the purse it the problem, then I will start tweaking it out, and changing radio's etc to get the max I can out of the battery.
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So today we left it out of the purse. Here is what we got...
On the table next to the computer, so confirmed that the screen is NOT activating at all. Phone radio off, data off.
AM... used 40% in 4 hours.
Better, but still not good. Gonna try to ensure that the email is set for longer, currently it is set for 10 minutes, and then try to turn off a-gps and the regular gps and make sure that those things are not killing the battery. Then flash a new radio. We'll see how that works next week.
First, test it and watch it over normal, with signal, average 4 hours at home this weekend. I think it will do great... meaning that it is the purse, or the environment that is causing the problem.

I don't know if anyone is following my personal drama, but maybe it will come up in a search some day and help someone.
Here is the saturday update.
Took the phone off charge at 2am and looked at it at 11 am this morning. Used only 2% in those 9 hours. So it is definitely NOT a defective device, or battery. (it actually charges up in only a couple of hours)
So looking into the profile schedule manager that I installed, turns out it has not been running. So the whole purse/no purse thing may be horse hockey still. Monday I will be setting it manually to airplane mode to verify that it holds a charge, then finding a new program to do the scheduling. (looking into phonealarm)
If the radio was on, at full power searching for a signal, it would only last approx 4 - 5 hours at best. So it makes sense that this is what is happening.