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Hey all. www.pdashop.nl now has teh TyTN II up for pre-order, but only the dutch version. Theyr'e shipping it for more than 100 euro's cheaper than expansys is, but.... It's the Dutch version.
Though I'm Dutch myself I have always used an English operating system on both my pc and my phones.
Would it be possible to flash a Dutch TyTN II with an English ROM without too much hassle?
Jesse

Maybe better for you to get it from here if you want an English version http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/765/htc-tytn-2

toaom2 said:
Hey all. www.pdashop.nl now has teh TyTN II up for pre-order, but only the dutch version. Theyr'e shipping it for more than 100 euro's cheaper than expansys is, but.... It's the Dutch version.
Though I'm Dutch myself I have always used an English operating system on both my pc and my phones.
Would it be possible to flash a Dutch TyTN II with an English ROM without too much hassle?
Jesse
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Jesse,
PDA Shop has now also the UK version. I also can not stand the Dutch on any operationg system (well not only dutch but any language for that matter). I have given them a call last week asking if they are going to ship the UK version and the answer was no, since there was no demand for it. Well friday I have noticed that they do list it now on the site. I guess more people were asking for it.
Also I am going to order one from www.smartphonestunts.nl I have done business with them in the past and they were perfect. The PDA shop is no go by because of 2 reasons
1. they do not want to sell me a T-Mobile subscription (and i am due for a renewal, so meaning major discount on the device)
2. I have noticed a couple of times that they sell products which do not come from the official Dutch dealers. THis was the case with my friend's ETEN, which needed a ROM update and I was not able to download it since the serial number did not match, after I contacted eten people here in the NL they told me right away that I probably purchased the device from PDA Shop and that it is not their device thus I have no right to get a ROM update. After begging they let me have it, because the guy was nice. And on another ocasion we needed to purchase 4 devices (Trinity) for a client and 3 of them I was not able to register on the site to get the ROM update the S/N was rejected. I did not make a fuss since it was for client who did not care and I was already able to register one device so I downloaded the ROM update.
Also you can try www.algebeld.nl

Try to find one in France with no chance .
Is the keyboard only in QWERTY ?

UK: Grey or Not Grey

I'm getting really confused by the responses from distributors and people on this forum. Correct me if I'm wrong:
a) Expansys are selling Grey imports which do not contain the software fix?
b) The official release date is the 16th June? 19th June? 9th June? 23rd June? (depending on what site you go on)
c) if above is correct why are some sites saying they are getting a stock in on the 12th (originally 9th)
d) How do you know you have a grey? Obviously the manuals etc will be in english.
e) Is the software fix available to correct the issue if you have a Grey?
I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking this in the UK

See if HTC let you register your serial. If not, then its probably grey.
If you didn't get your device in HK, or direct from HTC, then its pretty likely its a grey

Well I've ordered mine from TotalPDA. They have informed me that they are getting them in stock on the 11th June. Depending on the release date this could mean its a grey

I doubt it, why would they risk all the bad press after seeing the reaction eXpansys have got?

I'm going to drop an email to them and see what I get back. I'll post anything I receive

it will depends on where you live, Expansys has offices around the world, and they sell the offical hong kong version both english and chinese, if you get the english hong kong version, it's the same as any english version you buy, you will see it labelled WWE which is world wide english, the only differences is, you don't get the official warranty, and HTC will not give you support.
kms

So do these 'grey' imports come with UK power plugs or some adapter?
And are they factoy sealed when you get them?

kms108 said:
it will depends on where you live, Expansys has offices around the world, and they sell the offical hong kong version both english and chinese, if you get the english hong kong version, it's the same as any english version you buy, you will see it labelled WWE which is world wide english, the only differences is, you don't get the official warranty, and HTC will not give you support.
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If Expansys were labelling it as HK sourced, as they often do for other products, that would be fair enough - people would know what they're buying. But they're not - the top of their product page prominently claims it to be "version: UK, GPS". No doubt by the time they're forced to change it they well have sold all the stock at the vastly inflated price. To me that looks like deliberate deception, further supported by the deletion of the original grey import thread on their forum, and locking of other threads on the subject. They have also refuse to answer whether the warranty is for 1 or 2 years (as offered with some EU HTC models). Highly unethical in my book.

Ineedtoys said:
If Expansys were labelling it as HK sourced, as they often do for other products, that would be fair enough - people would know what they're buying. But they're not - the top of their product page prominently claims it to be "version: UK, GPS". No doubt by the time they're forced to change it they well have sold all the stock at the vastly inflated price. To me that looks like deliberate deception, further supported by the deletion of the original grey import thread on their forum, and locking of other threads on the subject. They have also refuse to answer whether the warranty is for 1 or 2 years (as offered with some EU HTC models). Highly unethical in my book.
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sorry
my apologies, I didn't see that, and you are right. if it stated uk, it's false advertisement, and it's right for everyone to attack on them.
@someone1234
hk uses the same three pin square plug as the UK, it's the legal requirement.
kms

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sorry
@someone1234
hk uses the same three pin square plug as the UK, it's the legal requirement.
kms
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Ahh of course i had forgoten about that!

I sent TotalPDA an email yesterday asking them to confirm TRUE UK stock. No reply yet which is worrying. My last emails were answered within 2 hours....
R

I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
HTC Is not registering my product online.
It is WWE version but that’s for ROM only.
The s/n and the origin country for the hardware is not accepted from HTC for the product registration.
So, this is what eXpansys is telling me.
Sticky: Warranty on the DiamondThe units are WWE and have full manufacturers warranty, eXpansys will handle any warranty repairs on your behalf as eXpansys would with any other HTC device.
Yoni,
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As far as I understand this is what Expansys is offering to me.
- If something goes wrong with the device Expansys will replace the device but they will covering the European transportation costs.
Have in mind that I am from Macedonia.
- I will have to send them directly to their specified address.
- I wont be able to get the support from the HTC listed European authorized services.
- And no rom official updates. They will be posted in their forum.
Somebody confirmed that with HTC here -> (eXpansys deleted forum thread here.)
KraFT

KraFT_mk said:
I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
HTC Is not registering my product online.
It is WWE version but that’s for ROM only.
The s/n and the origin country for the hardware is not accepted from HTC for the product registration.
So, this is what eXpansys is telling me.
Sticky: Warranty on the DiamondThe units are WWE and have full manufacturers warranty, eXpansys will handle any warranty repairs on your behalf as eXpansys would with any other HTC device.
Yoni,
eXpansys Product Support,
Forum Search
As far as I understand this is what Expansys is offering to me.
- If something goes wrong with the device Expansys will replace the device but they will covering the European transportation costs.
Have in mind that I am from Macedonia.
- I will have to send them directly to their specified address.
- I wont be able to get the support from the HTC listed European authorized services.
- And no rom official updates. They will be posted in their forum.
Somebody confirmed that with HTC here -> (eXpansys deleted forum thread here.)
KraFT
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you should be able to get support and update from htc hong kong, it is the hk version.
kms

KraFT_mk said:
I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
HTC Is not registering my product online.
It is WWE version but that’s for ROM only.
The s/n and the origin country for the hardware is not accepted from HTC for the product registration.
So, this is what eXpansys is telling me.
Sticky: Warranty on the DiamondThe units are WWE and have full manufacturers warranty, eXpansys will handle any warranty repairs on your behalf as eXpansys would with any other HTC device.
Yoni,
eXpansys Product Support,
Forum Search
As far as I understand this is what Expansys is offering to me.
- If something goes wrong with the device Expansys will replace the device but they will covering the European transportation costs.
Have in mind that I am from Macedonia.
- I will have to send them directly to their specified address.
- I wont be able to get the support from the HTC listed European authorized services.
- And no rom official updates. They will be posted in their forum.
Somebody confirmed that with HTC here -> (eXpansys deleted forum thread here.)
KraFT
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You are from Greece my friend?

notisz said:
You are from Greece my friend?
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No my friend, I am from Macedonia.
And you are from?
K

kms108 said:
you should be able to get support and update from htc hong kong, it is the hk version.
kms
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That’s exactly what I will do but after a few months.
I doubt but who knows....Maybe eXpansys will somehow add our s/n as valid EU numbers.
K

KraFT_mk said:
No my friend, I am from Macedonia.
And you are from?
K
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Then you are from Greece my friend because Macedonia is a province of Greece unless you are from F.Y.R.O.M. Please lets keep the international conventions in country names in the forum.
P.s I dont think Alexander the Great was speaking Slavic unless he had Tito as teacher instead of Aristotelis!!!
And iam from Greece of course as many other members in this forum.

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Got mine from the local market here in Dubai and successfully registered it on the HTC site.

notisz said:
Then you are from Greece my friend because Macedonia is a province of Greece unless you are from F.Y.R.O.M. Please lets keep the international conventions in country names in the forum.
P.s I dont think Alexander the Great was speaking Slavic unless he had Tito as teacher instead of Aristotelis!!!
And iam from Greece of course as many other members in this forum.
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LOL!
You people are unreal!

ROM and RAM and grey import!!

Hi, I recieved my diamond from expansys two days ago.
Everything is ok so far, except for the ROM and RAM which are far away from 256 and 193....is it because the device is a grey import (as people from other forums are saying!!) or what??
Anyway, if the device is legal and eveything is ok, why it is not allowing serial number registration with HTC website??
And finally, I really respect expansys and do think that they are decent people, but what should I do if the new versions have bigger RAM and ROM, shall I ask for return or any compensation (according to the UK rules)??

As i said in my other post, its a grey unit ie its not a uk model but an asian unit. Which means that HTC UK wont support it, if you have any problems you will need to send it to Expansys who will then sort it out for you...but you will not get any technical support from HTC. Also you wont get any support unless you rely on Expansys to supply any rom updates etc. You will need to register your serial number on HTCs asian website, then it will accept it.
As for Expansys being decent people??...i dont think so, the fact that they have and are still duping people into thinking that the Diamonds they are selling are UK spec, when they arent really speaks volumes about their practices. They have lost my business thats for sure, i refuse to deal with a company that cannot be honest and upfront...thats been proven by their constant deleting of posts in their forums.
Now if i was you??, i would return it, get my money back..wait a week for the 'real' uk stock to come in...hopefully next week they will be here and not only that you will save yourself some money as it will be cheaper than what Expansys are selling them at...in fact totalpda.co.uk are selling them at £410. Of course its up to you but if i was you, id be sending it back for a full refund.

The ROM/RAM is used by the device and not shown... What are the figures you have, as this may be the cause?
Currently, there are no UK release models available, and there should not be for at least a week...

Spawn12 said:
As i said in my other post, its a grey unit ie its not a uk model but an asian unit. Which means that HTC UK wont support it, if you have any problems you will need to send it to Expansys who will then sort it out for you...but you will not get any technical support from HTC. Also you wont get any support unless you rely on Expansys to supply any rom updates etc. You will need to register your serial number on HTCs asian website, then it will accept it.
As for Expansys being decent people??...i dont think so, the fact that they have and are still duping people into thinking that the Diamonds they are selling are UK spec, when they arent really speaks volumes about their practices. They have lost my business thats for sure, i refuse to deal with a company that cannot be honest and upfront...thats been proven by their constant deleting of posts in their forums.
Now if i was you??, i would return it, get my money back..wait a week for the 'real' uk stock to come in...hopefully next week they will be here and not only that you will save yourself some money as it will be cheaper than what Expansys are selling them at...in fact totalpda.co.uk are selling them at £410. Of course its up to you but if i was you, id be sending it back for a full refund.
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!

walshieau said:
wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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Do you work for expansys by any chance?

Nocturne_sa said:
Do you work for expansys by any chance?
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please, i have a real job, now if you have any other questions with substance feel free to ask, if not, then dont bother.

walshieau said:
wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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Lets clear this one up for once and for all on the warranty front.
If you are say in the UK and buy a grey import then you are NOT supported or warranted by HTC UK. You can get support from the area in which the device was obtained from, in these cases Asia. So if the unit breaks you must return it to HTC in Hong Kong either directly yourself or via Expansys which will handle it for you.
You also cannot register a unit from Hong Kong on the HTC UK site and therefore for updates you must register units on the HTC regional site from which the unit was obtained, in these cases the Asian site.
Furthermore the level of warranty differs from region to region so in the EU many devices are under warranty for 24 months which is not the case in others and if a unit is sourced from outside the EU then it will only have the warranty period for that region which in most cases will be about 12 months.
The beef that most people have with this is that Expansys are not being completely transparent about this so people are buying them and then not knowing the full position.

Well and more to the point really . Customers are not getting a choice . They think they are getting a UK branded device as advertised when in fact thay are not. This is against the law in the UK as selling Grey Goods is classed as counterfit.
The warranty is your choice but i would not risk the word of a company that is clearly trying to pull the wool over it's customers eyes just to be first to market. You may as well buy a unit off Ebay which is far cheaper and you will still have to use country of origan for its warranty repairs.
Just my 2 pence worth

Ok guys. I bought my Diamond from Expansys as I have my Tytn II a few months back.
I did try to register its serial number through HTC and I got the message that it was not an HTC phone.
I then registered under a different email giving Honk Kong as a country of residence and when I tried to register my phone stil got the same message.
Any Idea???
Thanks

athosk said:
Ok guys. I bought my Diamond from Expansys as I have my Tytn II a few months back.
I did try to register its serial number through HTC and I got the message that it was not an HTC phone.
I then registered under a different email giving Honk Kong as a country of residence and when I tried to register my phone stil got the same message.
Any Idea???
Thanks
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Did you try going through the HTC Asian/HK site?

legal
Gray is not illegal in the UK, Black is illegal you are buying a genuine product from the manufacture so its not Black or (i hope) stolen
What is illegal is false advertising but after looking at the site, there is nothing in there that is illegal, it in no way suggests anything about the extent of the warrenty other than contact them, it in no ways states that its anything other than a English UK phone, which it is otherwise it would be german or Japanise or something.
the fact of the matter is, its called GRAY for a reason, its not illegal but its not exactly very open either, common sence is needed here people, if someone is doing something thats to good to be true, it probably is, O2 have backed HTC for years now, if anyone was going to release genuine HTC UK phones then either O2 or HTC will do it first

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Gray is not illegal in the UK, Black is illegal you are buying a genuine product from the manufacture so its not Black or (i hope) stolen
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True, but selling at those it where not grey market imports is illegal, and is also trademark infringement as the items are not to be sold in the UK...
What is illegal is false advertising but after looking at the site, there is nothing in there that is illegal, it in no way suggests anything about the extent of the warrenty other than contact them, it in no ways states that its anything other than a English UK phone, which it is otherwise it would be german or Japanise or something.
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If sold as an "Englis UK" device, that is what they should be. I believe these devices are in fact HK WWE devices, which makes it illegal.
the fact of the matter is, its called GRAY for a reason, its not illegal but its not exactly very open either, common sence is needed here people, if someone is doing something thats to good to be true, it probably is, O2 have backed HTC for years now, if anyone was going to release genuine HTC UK phones then either O2 or HTC will do it first
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Orange backed HTC devices far earlier than O2, and T-Mo have actually announced the device, so I suspect one of those would release the device before O2.

l3v5y said:
Did you try going through the HTC Asian/HK site?
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Yes I did and still got the same message

athosk said:
Yes I did and still got the same message
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Maybe HTC have blocked the S/Ns of the Expansys stock...
Send them an email...

legal or not
it is potentially a copywrite infringment if HTC havent gave permision to sell it or indirectly sell it, that doesnt make it illegal until HTC says so, its quite possible that they allow first tire resells to pass on to europe, it is not however illegal just because itcame from The far east.
It is sold as a UK device, the device is English however, it may have been adapted to be english but its english, in the same way that a german book translated in to english is still english (all be it usually bad) they are not doing anything legally wrong so long as HTC approves to the sale ofits devices, and since they are getting paid for them one way or another its unlikely they will care much, and its perfectly ok for them to limit the warrenty on them as well, so long as its at least 12months, they will however insist that it is sent back through the original retailier it was brought from

i think some one posted in somware that register problem is coming coz HTC webpage not updated, or data not updated yet. he told he recive a mail from HTC.
anyway non of my business... i have no hand in HTC or Expansy or anything els.....

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it is potentially a copywrite infringment if HTC havent gave permision to sell it or indirectly sell it, that doesnt make it illegal until HTC says so, its quite possible that they allow first tire resells to pass on to europe, it is not however illegal just because itcame from The far east.
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I believe since the devices where not sold with the intention of being sold in the UK, it probably is illegal, although as you say, HTC will be the ones to decide.
It is sold as a UK device, the device is English however, it may have been adapted to be english but its english, in the same way that a german book translated in to english is still english (all be it usually bad) they are not doing anything legally wrong so long as HTC approves to the sale ofits devices, and since they are getting paid for them one way or another its unlikely they will care much, and its perfectly ok for them to limit the warrenty on them as well, so long as its at least 12months, they will however insist that it is sent back through the original retailier it was brought from
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The ROM on these devices is the HK WWE ROM. It is a WWE ROM rather than a "UK English" ROM. And, all the german translations I've witnessed have been pretty good

I got mine from expansys and manged to join club HTC with the serial number no problems on the europe site.
Question is when a update comes out will it ask for a serial number and will it be valid then.

My bad just tried to register the devive and yep does not register. Guess ill have to wait for people to release the update on here really.

Register on the english version of the HK site. At least you can get any roms released for that region (and share them here too!).

Noob with ROM questions

So I found out that my diamond is from the Middle East (if I read the details correctly) and I live in Australia. I was wondering if that would have any effect on the service or quality of use I would get from my handset with regards to configurations and what not. I understand that my s/n won't allow me to register with the htc club thing on the Aus site, I gotta register on the middle east site. When ROMs say that you can only use it on devices from region X, why is that? what happens if I try using it on a region Y handset?

[Q] How do I kow if my diamond2 is Official device

I purchased a new Touch Diamond2 last week and getting used to the deive now. This is my first windows mobile after all Nokia...
I purchased from a small store here but not from the authorised dealer, as they have heighr price for this. So can I verify if this is official or I am get cheated here?
Is there a way I can verify?
thank you

ALL HTC devices are official, but that may or may not belongs to your region. Ex: if you are in India your device may not be an India Model of HTC (which happen to me in Hyderabad and further HTC service senter charged extra for any service telling that it is an International Model )
Here is how you can verify:
Go to your regional HTC Site. As I see ur from India you can go to http://www.htc.com/in/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=249&cat=2&dl_id=803 and try download the ROM by entering your device serial number and it should tell you if the serial is valid or not.
If the serial is NOT valid in your regional HTC site then it is not belongs to the region and is an International Model.
Hope this will help.

Thanks for the reply dear friend.
I tried that It accepted that so It seems to be the official. Then why the authorised show room take more money than the small shop? Is there any difference?
Also I downloaded the ROM by doing the above step and shall I go ahead and install that?
thank you