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Tilt or Kaiser

Just curious who bought the ATT Tilt and who went for the more expensive HTC Kaiser and why..
(Yeah I wasn't sure to call it the Kaiser or TyTN 2 lol)

Tilt. $150 vs $600 (MOL).

Tilt 225 w/ 50 bucks back.

FYI: not to get picky....
it's Tilt or TyTN II
they are both considered a Kaiser
I got the tilt for the reason of cheaper

Tilt - got it for $50 after MIR. That was a clear winner for me....
Waited and waited and actually saw the Black Friday Ad and called up a buddy I worked with there. Plus I generally like to stay specific to AT&T equipment for whatever reason...

Tilt bc of the price ($150). Obv I would like to have the tytn 2 for the front facing camera, but its not worth $450 more.

Is the front cam the ONLY difference between the two?

Tilt for 149.99 after rebate.
ericc191 said:
Is the front cam the ONLY difference between the two?
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Thanks to this forum and the ROM and app's you can find here, that the pretty much main difference.

lol it looks like people prefer to save a couple hundred than having a front video camera

damn...comming from the uk.. i neva actually realised the tilt didnt have a front facing camera!!

ericc191 said:
Is the front cam the ONLY difference between the two?
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Where's the Tilt made and what's the body code (KAIS***)?
Other differences are:
- the video front camera
- the colour scheme
- the package contents
- Warranty from AT&T versus HTC
- I'm not sure if the batteries are different (Samsung vs Dyna)

JwY said:
Where's the Tilt made and what's the body code (KAIS***)?
Other differences are:
- the video front camera
- the colour scheme
- the package contents
- Warranty from AT&T versus HTC
- I'm not sure if the batteries are different (Samsung vs Dyna)
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I actually like the front buttons on the TyTN 2 much better than the all chrome look on the Tilt

It was pretty easy for me. The only differences are
1. The lack of a front facing camera.
Even if you had it, you can't use it with AT&T anyways
2. The addition of lots of dumb bloatware.
Takes 20 minutes to remove, or 10 to reflash with OEM image.
3. Slightly differently colored case.
Who cares?
It wasn't nearly enough to me to consider for 1 minute paying an extra 450 or so for the Kaiser. If you have the money, and you are a perfectionist, go for the Kaiser.

the tilt is a kaiser. i think you mean TyTN II. Which is also a kaiser

kireol said:
the tilt is a kaiser. i think you mean TyTN II. Which is also a kaiser
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lol the whole TyTN 2 and Kaiser mix up must be a pet peeve of yours

ericc191 said:
lol the whole TyTN 2 and Kaiser mix up must be a pet peeve of yours
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nah, i'm just trying to correct ppl now so that future confusion happens less

In the US with AT&T, there is really no reason not to go with the Tilt:
you can't use the front camera anyway;
if you're a good customer, they'll happily provide an unlock code; and
compared to an imported TyTN II, they're a total bargain
People complain about "all the bloat." I can tell you that with a minimal amount of work, the bloat can be removed -- keeping the stock ROM -- and having an extremely stable and high-performing device.
I'm sure it will get better with the next batch of cooked roms, too...

dreboi said:
damn...comming from the uk.. i neva actually realised the tilt didnt have a front facing camera!!
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Me neither ... I thought they were the same just branded differently. I went for the Tytn II as we don't have the tilt in Sweden. Now I just need to get it in English ... I know, i'm studying the Wiki
Scarlet

ericc191 said:
I actually like the front buttons on the TyTN 2 much better than the all chrome look on the Tilt
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Me too. And I prefer the all black keyboard.

RojasTKD said:
Tilt for 149.99 after rebate.
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Where did you guys get titl for $150? I got mine for $400 (in Philadelphia) without rebate a week ago from AT&T. Even with the rebate, it was about $300.

Tilt vs Kaiser/Tytn II

I searched the forum a bit before asking...and didnt find my answer.
Why is the HTC TILT ~200 cheeper than the HTC Kaiser. Is it only the front mounted CAM?
I`m planning to buy one or the other. As far as i read you can unlock both.
I apreciate any replies, thanks

The Tilt is relatively the same price if you don't get it with a service contract, last I remember.

tilt @ newegg 509$
tytn II/kaiser 700-800

they are the same thing, except for a few small differences:
1- front camera, if ur not going to be doing video calling, not really important
2- software, however this is easily changed by flashing one of many roms on here
3- a few cosmetic changes, in my opinion, the tytn II looks a little better (nicer keyboard)
4- the tytn II will come factory unlocked, while the tilt will be locked to att. I unlocked my tilt (using it on tmobile) in 5 mins with att over the phone (my wife is an att customer) otherwise u can unlock it online in a few mins for around 20 dollars. they are working on a free unlock here too btw
is it worth 200 dollars more (or 500 if u sign a contract with atnt)? definitely not

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998228
509$ - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998228
i want to use it in Romania... i`ll unlock it.. and shouldnt have any issues (also ROM change), right?
thanks for the last reply

qiuness said:
i want to use it in Romania... i`ll unlock it.. and shouldnt have any issues (also ROM change), right?
thanks for the last reply
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Nah, I changed the ROM on mine the day I got it, no problem.

Is Tytn II comes w/ leather case and wired headset? My tilt doesn't have those w/ the box

Hard choice: American AT&T Tilt 9825 vs European TyTn II

Hi guys,
I'm looking for an new / almost new / as new Kaiser to substitute my 1 yr old Vodafone v1605 aka HTC TyTn. I was tempted from the Diamond too but I think I couldn't live withouth the qwerty right now!!
So I ask you all some help to take my decision...
My budget is limited and as you can see I live in Italy where those devices cost ""an entire eye of your head"", as we say here , I still see TyTn at 600 / 700€ and TyTn II at 849 / 899€ in some shops and the minimal for the Kaiser I've seen is 799€ I can't absolutely afford
Of course I'm looking for get help from our best friend ebay and I see many XDA Stellar or Mda Vario III 2nd hand in great condition (or so is stated) at around 300 to 350€ shipped from UK(what I paid for my uk refurb TyTn).
I've just noticed the same device is produced by AT&T as 8925 and its prices are sometimes 150€ less if bought from U.S.A., even if I don't know if I'll have to pay custom's taxes on arrive!
I see many sites say the only difference is the missing front camera but...but reading the wiki here, it seems that putting a Kaiser rom onto an 8925 is buggy/problematic/gets the device work worst than before!?
At the opposite, I've seen many users telling they did put an htc rom onto at&t pda with no prob of sort!
So I'm VERY confused
What's the truth?
Ok, it can be unfunny to unlock an at&t at first, no prob for this, but after that, will I be able to try any rom I see here in the forums, as I was doing and still am with my TyTn?
What do you think about the prices I mentioned? Have you paid your Kaiser OR 8925 less or more? Which one do you suggest? Considering I've no prerogatives, do you suggest me to wait some more time like Christmas or so on to find better deals?
Many thanks to all willing to give me some help to do the next step

I tried many different roms (official/cooked ATT/HTC) on my AT&T Tilt and no problem so far. Beside the front camera, the keyboard layout is different and U could found a cab to solve it. (U could look at my signature for that)

Thanks bro,
just a few other questions.
What's a fair price for a brand new and for a 2nd hand tilt?
I see many 2nd hand tilt on eb for around 300$...isn't it a bit too much?
Oh, what about the sim-lock instead?
I found many threads saying at&t really gives you the unlock code at the phone but...will I, from Italy, be able to have it ""so easily""(assuming I understand spoken English) by calling in u.s.a.?
What about unlocking it by myself, is it possible for free or not, I'm still not sure after reading some threads!?

I just replaced my European TyTNII with an unlocked US version of the TyTNII. I got the US version through Newegg.com, I'm not sure if they ship where you live.
The phone is the exact same as the Tilt it is missing the front camera and the keyboard is different.
I swear the US version is built better thatn the European one and it comes with 6.1 installed already.

$300 is a great price. The tilt is $450 NIB w/o contract.

550 euro....tenuto...maniacalmente?? con un anno abbondante di garanzia residua...

Thanks to all for the help!
Just to update my story ... I was very nearly going for a tilt when I noticed GREAT offers from my own mobile operator H3G!
Well, actually it's great for my who currently pay 9€/month for 50MB/day of internet (Naviga3).
Since I'm very happy with it, there's an offer of a new EU TyTn II at 399€ with a subscription for 2 years at the promotional cost of 14,16€/month forever (instead of 29) with 1Gb/month and a lot of free calls (I presumably will have to pay only SMS and the 0,15€ fee at call opening (don't know how you say it, sorry )).
Also, there is a Diamond for LESS : 299€, same plan...
Actually, I'm really confused and don't know which one to choose...I love my qwerty but, you know, diamonds shine...ok, now for long with 900mAh
I'm also considering the option to sell my TyTn and wait for the Raphael to see what's its price with my op...this offer ends within the end of September, don't know if they will add it in time!
Perhaps I should ask some diamond users coming from qwerty if it they can live without it!
@sharkonholiday
Assolutamente troppo! Grazie comunque.
Can't afford! Thanks anyway.

Where can I found The cab for USA-->ITALIAN keyboard??
I payed my tytn II on Ebay USA about 270 euros NEW!!
:°D ancora devo provarlo sto aspettando sto caspita di corriere *_*

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Wow, that's a great price! Let me know if it's all right!!
For the keyboard, if you own a Tilt (AT&T brand) I think you need this cab: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334911 but keyboard will not become "italian", simply it'll work as it should
Oh, perhaps you need a cab to install the t9 Italian dictionary and so on, don't you? If you need, just ask, its on my microsd already
p.s. a parte che mi sento stupido a parlare inglese quando siamo entrambi italiani...ma queste sono le regole...sentiamoci via pm/email o anche msn ok? Fammi sapere se è andato tutto a buon fine...sarei curioso di vedere se il venditore ne ha altri ad un prezzo simile, se me lo indichi via pm o email mi fai un favore, grazie Per qualsiasi altra cosa chiedi pure!!
@all
any advice is the welcome

ErMeglio... you have an MP

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ErMeglio... you have an MP
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Answered
Well guys, I still have got to decide between Diamond and TyTn II
I'm confused and I'm proud I have been recently, since the price of both has gone to 199€ and 299€ respectively (100€ less for both)...

hey, i was in the same situation as you recently, i bought a sealed brand new v1616 (tytn II) off ebay for £200, just put my vodafone sim in and everything works great, would def recommend.

ErMeglio said:
Thanks to all for the help!
Just to update my story ... I was very nearly going for a tilt when I noticed GREAT offers from my own mobile operator H3G!
Well, actually it's great for my who currently pay 9€/month for 50MB/day of internet (Naviga3).
Since I'm very happy with it, there's an offer of a new EU TyTn II at 399€ with a subscription for 2 years at the promotional cost of 14,16€/month forever (instead of 29) with 1Gb/month and a lot of free calls (I presumably will have to pay only SMS and the 0,15€ fee at call opening (don't know how you say it, sorry )).
Also, there is a Diamond for LESS : 299€, same plan...
Actually, I'm really confused and don't know which one to choose...I love my qwerty but, you know, diamonds shine...ok, now for long with 900mAh
I'm also considering the option to sell my TyTn and wait for the Raphael to see what's its price with my op...this offer ends within the end of September, don't know if they will add it in time!
Perhaps I should ask some diamond users coming from qwerty if it they can live without it!
@sharkonholiday
Assolutamente troppo! Grazie comunque.
Can't afford! Thanks anyway.
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Scrap the Diamond idea and get a Diamond-based ROM for the TyTN (I'm currently using L26 8/27/08 Diamond-based ROM and I LOVE it.)
I personally love my TILT. I've cycled through several makes and models of phones (Motorola, Nokia -sadly-, Samsung, HTC) through the years and have to say I've been more than impressed by my TILT above all others. I bought mine off of Ebay myself when my Wizard (8125) got trashed (it was my 3rd Wizard too...lol) and got it for $380, s&h included so $300 is a sweet deal.
Only problem I run into w/ the TILT is simple expected issues that arise when you go from branded to cooked ROMs. Simple things like a TyTN-based keyboard input even though my physical keyboard is still "TILTed" but that gets fixed with a simple cab file.
The only other thing I could even say is that the Kaiser is left-handed (whyyy???! lol) and it's a pain in my butt since I'm right-handed BUT once you adapt (which takes all of 2 days) then you rarely ever notice it.
All in all, I love my phone and so will you =]
They made a real solid unit when they built this thing. Only thing my phone doesnt do that I could use is microwave food for me (and I'm sure with some tweaks it might actually pull THAT off too! haha!)
So try out your Kaiser before you scrap it back on Ebay. Once you play with it and flash yourself a new ROM then you'll be up and running. Just make sure to HardSPL your phone and invest in a free copy of Sprite Backup cab and make a full copy of your phone before flashing and you'll be good to go!
Good luck no matter which one you pick. HTC rarely goes wrong on any phone they make. Keep us updated on which one you pick in the end.
Best regards,
HTCOmega

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate every single line
I've taken a "so-called" decision about what I am going to do.
Well, Diamond is style only and I understand I would still LOVE my TyTn with Diamond-based ROMs I am already using (abusalza's rulez, it flies now) if only it stays switched on all the time.
I've opened it so many time and I got the situation much better but actually it often switches off while I drive, and rarely switches off while I walk
I'm just here after 2h of bikeing and it remained switched on in my pocket for example.
The fact is that it's very annoying as it is now.
Thanks to an user in another thread (sorry, don't remember your name mate) I've tried a good site which I hope will help me to get it repaired by soldering by myself the battery connectors.
Having done this, is it a bad end or a new birth, I will see how much I can take and what I can buy.
Of course I will decide within the end of September, due to the end of the offer mentioned. Well, they've already postponed its end for 2 months, but I need a new phone and I don't like to risk: if it ends the abbo goes from 15 to 29 €/month and I can't afford!
I hope they'll sell the Raphael within the end of the month too, so I can consider buying it.
But you all convinced me: I need a qwerty, so
st choice: Raphael (if it's affordable!)
nd choice: TyTn II
last choice: Diamond.
Thanks guys!!
P.S. Two days ago I went to a shop near here and I saw a TyTn II in "super offer occasion etc..." and I asked for its price...the boy at the shop put it in my hands and lol, I was trying to open it from the right-side, WTF have they done lol??? I was thinking..mmh...that's a bad product, it's so hard to open it has to be damaged lol, then he showed me how to do...I felt so stupid!! You're right mate, HTC is strange sometimes haha
Anyway, it was 450 2nd hand (ok mint condition but used!)...no way

Ooh guys, just to let you know, I'm gone...just bought with/for my dad a Nokia N95 8gb, and I'm using it for me right now.
He wanted it and I will give it to him +/- in December, when I should decide what to buy for myself!
I saw TOO many news out there, and I didn't feel a TyTn II, is it Tilt or not, was the right choice with all these great new devices ready for the market!
Also, just some days after my findings, suddenly my funny operator raised the price up again of 100€ (299 diamond and 399 tytnII), and they are totally too costly considering there's a 2 years plan to pay
This 95 is a really great product, you know, it only misses a touch screen
Thanks for all your efforts and guidelines, will surely ask again when I'll be unsure again, within December

Should I trade my Kaiser for a Diamond?

Hey, guys!
A friend of mine bought the Diamond before ~2 Months and it was his first pocket pc. He's from a rich family and doesn't understand a lot from pocket pc's, so he offered me to trade my Kaiser for his Diamond.
My Kaiser is almost 1 Year old and has scratches, but this is no problem for him. He said he's either going to give the Kaiser his sister or he's going to sell it to a mate of him, who is searching for a Kaiser to buy.
So... now about me i'm 17 years old and I think the Kaiser is too "business" for me, if I take the Diamond I'm going to miss the QWERTY, but actually it won't be a big problem, because I use the QWERTY only for typing SMSes and surfing, not much other...
What do you think? Should I trade it?

I wouldnt be too sure about trading it.
I recently went from a S710 (qwerty) -> Touch Cruise (none qwerty) -> TyTN II (qwerty) and ive found that, in truth, going fro a qwerty handst to a full touchscreen is horrible.
Admittently the upgrade to a VGA screen wouldnt be a nice perk but id stick with youre TyTN II.
Sam

robinsonsam said:
, going fro a qwerty handst to a full touchscreen is horrible.
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Exactly my reason of not wanting the diamond or the iphone! a slide out keyboard is WAAAY to convenient since i email from my phone for work all day long!

qwerty keyboard ftw! tho idk...the htc touch HD....for me its between that and the touch pro...or mayb the new samsung phone :S
edit: U should trade for the diamond, sell it and get the touch pro

TyTN II Replacements?

what's the best, cheapest replacement for the TyTN II?
-don't need GPS
-don't need wi-fi
-don't need good camera
-**DO NOT NEED pull out keyboard.
so far the pharos is looking good, any suggestions? (i plan to unlock so i can use with att)
(broke my tilt, and cant afford a replacement of $400)
thanks!!

how about the Elf or Elfin?

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how about the Elf or Elfin?
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That's what i was thinking as well. If you don't need a Pocket PC, then just go for a Smartphone which is usually cheaper.
Btw, what part of the Tilt broke?

i just want a big screen with touch capabilities, and simple is the word here..just really sick of sliders and want a candybar that doesnt look like a blackberry/motorola Q/etc
-btw my tilt wont charge the battery after i fixed the redlight issue.. tried with different batteries and chargers

also is the elf just the HTC touch, but only able to be used with ATT (as the touch cannot i think)? would the majority of ROMS from the Touch work on elf? sorry for so many questions !

Elf = Touch
Elfin = Touch Enhanced

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i just want a big screen with touch capabilities, and simple is the word here..just really sick of sliders and want a candybar that doesnt look like a blackberry/motorola Q/etc
-btw my tilt wont charge the battery after i fixed the redlight issue.. tried with different batteries and chargers
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Unless you bought the Tilt from the first day it was out, you should still have warranty on it so have you tried calling them at 1800-801-1101 and asking for a replacement?

already did, but the sticker on the back is pink from when i tried to clean the metal prongs. att said this was "water damage" and said they couldnt replace it.

theromanone said:
what's the best, cheapest replacement for the TyTN II?
-don't need GPS
-don't need wi-fi
-don't need good camera
-**DO NOT NEED pull out keyboard.
so far the pharos is looking good, any suggestions? (i plan to unlock so i can use with att)
(broke my tilt, and cant afford a replacement of $400)
thanks!!
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How about this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16072

that wont work in the US, as it doesnt have GSM 850/1900

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i just want a big screen with touch capabilities, and simple is the word here..just really sick of sliders and want a candybar that doesnt look like a blackberry/motorola Q/etc
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Get an iphone

haha, actually that'd be my overall choice over even the tilt, but i cant afford the $700 over two years that i need to pay in internet usage. i can honestly say i've never had the need or want to ever use the internet away from my laptop.

Why not have a shop repair the Tilt?
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i can honestly say i've never had the need or want to ever use the internet away from my laptop.
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I use the internet often while on the move. Sometimes it's just for receiving or sending emails. I guess you don't often travel on public transport or you'd find mobile internet tremendously valuable in terms of journey planning.
As far as your Tilt is concerned, even if you cant get it covered under the warranty, there's still a good chance a phone repair shop or HTCs repair centre could resurect it for you at a moderate cost and often they only charge a small fee to find out an estimated cost of repair. In short, not much to lose but potentially much (in savings) to gain.

Why dont you buy a wizard you can pick them up pretty cheap and they will do almost everything the tilt can do.
-McMex

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I use the internet often while on the move. Sometimes it's just for receiving or sending emails. I guess you don't often travel on public transport or you'd find mobile internet tremendously valuable in terms of journey planning.
As far as your Tilt is concerned, even if you cant get it covered under the warranty, there's still a good chance a phone repair shop or HTCs repair centre could resurect it for you at a moderate cost and often they only charge a small fee to find out an estimated cost of repair. In short, not much to lose but potentially much (in savings) to gain.
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well, i'm in college and maybe send one email every two weeks, furthest i go is the furthest bar which is 15 minutes walking distance haha .
*Where can i send my tilt to get it fixed exactly, is there an address or website I can go to? I left my car at home while i'm at school so driving is not an option..

hi.
someone might call me a heretic, but if You look for something really cheap and if it's got to be fairly simple, then nokia N70 is the nice choice if You can live w/o winmo and touchscreen.
pros:
price, candybar, camera (nice pictures and video far better from kaiser), loads of apps/games (believe me or not, but it can emulate gba almost perfectly on it's 200 mhz cpu), fm radio, price?
cons:
no touchscreen, no wm (hm... I wonder if that's something bad...)
otherwise I would say: wizard or hermes
br
bro

HTC Touch HD - largest touchscreen HTC do.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=64790
It does however have a 5MP camera fitted to it...
Another option is the iphone3g

id rather not have a qwerty keyboard, pointless if you have touchscreen to me. i can upgrade in march/april i think, so if i cant fix my tilt i'll just part it for $50-80, sell my n93 for $125, and use that to buy a phone that'll last me until then.. either a n73, elf 3452, sony k790... i have no idea. everything would be much better if my tilt could be fixed!!

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Where can i send my tilt to get it fixed exactly, is there an address or website I can go to? I left my car at home while i'm at school so driving is not an option..
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How about starting at www.htc.com and following that through - thats how I found the repair centres address here in the UK. You'll need to phone up and book it in with them first though.

theromanone said:
id rather not have a qwerty keyboard, pointless if you have touchscreen to me. i can upgrade in march/april i think, so if i cant fix my tilt i'll just part it for $50-80, sell my n93 for $125, and use that to buy a phone that'll last me until then.. either a n73, elf 3452, sony k790... i have no idea. everything would be much better if my tilt could be fixed!!
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I wasnt aware the new Touch HD had a qwerty keyboard or in fact any keyboard, will have to double check.