I have had about 7 different AT&T Tilts in my life and if my memory serves me right, I only remember 2 of them not having the issue I am about to entail.
When I slide my keyboard out, it seems that the ribbon cable or something under the metal hinge pushes against the back of the screen and you can actually see the screen colors fray and fade as if it would do it you were to push down too hard on it with your finger.
I am just wondering if anyone else has notice this. Wonder if it is a common occurrence. I would like to know what causes this.
No such thing on the 2 I've had. Never read of it on here either.
7 Tilt's? That was a typo, right?
No issues for me at all. No resistance or screen changes when activating the keyboard.
hmmm, odd. yeah 7 man haha
i have the worst of luck with phones. the one i thought was "THE ONE" i would keep till it was time to get a new phone was hit out of my hand and the hinge came loose so I had to replace that. That one did not have the problem i stated earlier. my replacement had that screen/hinge issue so i told em to send me another one by bullshitting that it will crack my screen...the one they sent me to replace that had the 7201 chip in it and 0 hours of talk time so it was brand freaking new...but it also had the screen issue...weird, huh? i wonder if it is anything to worry about?
The momentary color shifting occurs when you are applying too much pressure to the wrong area when sliding the phone open. I don't see this is normal use since I baby my Tilt, but I am able to reproduce it when I purposely try to.
NotATreoFan said:
The momentary color shifting occurs when you are applying too much pressure to the wrong area when sliding the phone open. I don't see this is normal use since I baby my Tilt, but I am able to reproduce it when I purposely try to.
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yeah, i am aware. it happens regardless what i do. trying to figure out what is causing it so i can find a fix
Speaking from my job experience of ripping apart laptop LCD's, it's probably the ribbon cable; as mentioned previously...
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I've been having trouble with the touchscreen on my MDA Vario III, I'd be grateful from some advice from some of you hardware gurus.
It seems to be detecting phantom touchscreen input, which can prevent it from properly detecting real input. This was evident in the Notes application, if I were to tap around the screen in draw mode it would sometimes draw dots, but often draw a straight or curved line between the last point and the most recent one. I thought something might be pressing on the borders of the screen so I did the thin card round underneath the bezel thing, which if anything made it worse, though that may just be me imagining it.
I sent it off to a local repair firm for a touchscreen replacement, got it back this morning and it seemed to be ok, but not perfect. During the morning, having rerun kaisertweak and installed a couple of cabs, it deteriorated again.
Right now it's cycling round the Alignment Screen, the cross is moving around on its own periodically. If I try tapping the cross it mostly doesn't detect the tap.
So right now, I've got a month old Kaiser, warranty void and insurance not applicable, that I simply can't use!
My question really is, what could the problem be if it isn't the touchscreen/digitizer (they are one unit on the Kaiser aren't they?) and it doesn't appear to be a physical problem with the housing of the screen? Does it imply a mainboard failure?
Does any user configuration at all survive a hard reset? Such as increasing the touchflo sensitivity with Kaiser Tweak?
Thanks
hipster
I did/do have the exact same issue, however on my unit it only happens when using some third party stylii (spelling?)....one old Ipaq 3970 metal stylus, and 2 multifunction pens. Using the onboard stylus (or any other light stylus, like the one from the P3600) I encounter no problems (knock on wood), no matter how hard I poke on the screen....
Unit is over 3 months old - have gotten used to it, just don´t use any heavy/metal stylus.
Your problem, however, seems to be a bit more pronounced.....
Thanks for the reply, michi, though your problem does sound a bit different, if just a change of stylus improves it.
I've tried the stylus from my old Wizard and the arse end of a pen, without success, sadly.
Oddly, I'm starting to think it might be slightly heat related, if I leave the phone off for a while it seems ok, and stops responding to taps more after it's been on for a while. Very strange.
hipster
I knocked up an impression of what I get when tapping in a pattern in the Notes application, image attached.
Reading other posts about perceived performance problems with the Kaiser, I wonder if there are other cases where it seems like it's locked up, but in fact it's just taking an age to figure out what you've just asked it to do, essentially just a problem with the touchscreen, not the whole device. That's definitely one of the symptoms I get....
It's back with the menders now, hopefully, they'll manage to sort it out this time...
Cheers
hipster
Not sure if it could be similar, but I had a Tablet PC which was prone to interference from the power supply. Perhaps this is the case. May the sheilding is not up to snuff? I am by no means an expert, but this might give you another path to explore for problem resolution. Hope it helps.
I have a new Tilt and this weekend I have been messing around with various touch programs. I noticed a clicking sound on the back of my device when I hold it a certain way.
To recreate the issue, turn your phone over and press your finger onto the back right above the speaker and on the same horizontal line with the GPS stud. On my phone it presses in very slightly and makes a clicking sound. All other areas of the phone back seem solid.
Does anyone else with a Tilt/TyTnII have this? Is it a design flaw or is it just my phone?
thanks.
k im kinda confused at what ur doing. I'll try to help but be more specific. Is the screen opened or closed? What program are you running? I know if i have the speakers all the way up and my fingers are on back of the device i get a scratchy noises but i wouldn't call it clicking.
hmm i tried to follow and i dont seem to be having that problem.
Yea, mine does it too. Actually, I have 2 tilts. The older one does it, but the newer one does not do it. It's so minor that some people might not even be able to reproduce it, since it is so minor. Very trivial if you ask me.
Yeah it doesn't appear to be a huge deal, I was just curious... it is almost like the battery cover isn't on properly...but it is.
redbandana...I am not talking about a program clicking, i am talking about the back case....with the tilt closed, push in on the back battery cover just above the speakerphone... it seems to push in ever so lightly and make a little clicking sound.
My Tilt case does not make any clicking noises like you report. Probably a "fit and finish" issue. If the battery cover is on properly, it's not something I'd tend to worry about.
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My Tilt case does not make any clicking noises like you report. Probably a "fit and finish" issue. If the battery cover is on properly, it's not something I'd tend to worry about.
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Correct. It wasn't even worth a new thread, in my opinion. Sorry.
This is really bugging me but on occasion, when I slam the keyboard shut, the phone turns off. It also has happened when I opened the keyboard but only a few times.
I actually dissassembled the phone to see if maybe it was a loose connection somewhere. I did find that the keyboard ribbon cable was loosely connected so I reseated it firmly...but the problem didn't go away.
I also thought it may be either the SIMM card or the memory card contacts but after removing them, again, I still can reproduce the problem.
Understand that this is an intermittent problem and a little unpredictable but I can make it happen within a few tries. If I cautiously open and close the keyboard (without slamming it shut), I have no problems.
I don't believe it's software related because I can force it to happen when the device is booting up (with the Ericsson logo on the screen) before the OS loads.
Anyone else experiencing this?????
11/17/08 UPDATE: PROBLEM RESOLVED!
After further review and testing, it appears that the battery was losing connection to the battery contacts. I shoved a small crumb of paper folded up (about 1mm thick) at the back of the batt and the problem has gone away. Of course, I'm still holding my breath every time I open and close the keyboard but it looks like that may have been the problem. That's strange because I'm using the original battery. Thought this may help in case anyone else ever runs into this.
That sounds like a problem with the internals, maybe a you should get it replaced/repaired?
Kid says to doctor " IT hurts when I twist my arm backward like this." Doctor replies "then don't do that"
You say "my phone shuts off when I slam my keyboard shut" Doctor says "don't slam your keyboard shut"
this thought just made me laugh.
Seriously though. It does sound like an internal hardware issue that you should have fixed otherwise it may just get worse and start happening more regularly and at very inconvenient times.
Good luck.
Reminds me of my samsung slider phone the day that it died. I was sliding it back and forth.. sometimes the screen would go completely white and then come back.
By the end of the day, it went white and stayed that way.
Turns out the cable on the inside was slowly being cut from rubbing against the metal hole it was going thru every time the slider moved.
You've checked the cables before... but maybe its not cut yet, but something on the slider mechanism is hitting a wire/pulling on it.
Nobody knows.
But we all do know thats not normal. So yea get it replaced.
LOL!
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Kid says to doctor " IT hurts when I twist my arm backward like this." Doctor replies "then don't do that"
You say "my phone shuts off when I slam my keyboard shut" Doctor says "don't slam your keyboard shut"
this thought just made me laugh.
Seriously though. It does sound like an internal hardware issue that you should have fixed otherwise it may just get worse and start happening more regularly and at very inconvenient times.
Good luck.
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That's funny!!!
I think you're right...
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Reminds me of my samsung slider phone the day that it died. I was sliding it back and forth.. sometimes the screen would go completely white and then come back.
By the end of the day, it went white and stayed that way.
Turns out the cable on the inside was slowly being cut from rubbing against the metal hole it was going thru every time the slider moved.
You've checked the cables before... but maybe its not cut yet, but something on the slider mechanism is hitting a wire/pulling on it.
Nobody knows.
But we all do know thats not normal. So yea get it replaced.
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Yep...It's going back. Might as well get a fresh one. I know this problem existed for other phones before and the fix was mostly something simple that didn't require a replacement.
im getting exactly the same problem. gonna send mine back as well.
i have the exact same problem too! Waiting for a new one...
i thought i was the only one with this problem, but it looks like a production error as there are already 3 people on this board who have this defect.
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This is really bugging me but on occasion, when I slam the keyboard shut, the phone turns off. It also has happened when I opened the keyboard but only a few times.
I actually dissassembled the phone to see if maybe it was a loose connection somewhere. I did find that the keyboard ribbon cable was loosely connected so I reseated it firmly...but the problem didn't go away.
I also thought it may be either the SIMM card or the memory card contacts but after removing them, again, I still can reproduce the problem.
Understand that this is an intermittent problem and a little unpredictable but I can make it happen within a few tries. If I cautiously open and close the keyboard (without slamming it shut), I have no problems.
I don't believe it's software related because I can force it to happen when the device is booting up (with the Ericsson logo on the screen) before the OS loads.
Anyone else experiencing this?????
11/17/08 UPDATE: PROBLEM RESOLVED!
After further review and testing, it appears that the battery was losing connection to the battery contacts. I shoved a small crumb of paper folded up (about 1mm thick) at the back of the batt and the problem has gone away. Of course, I'm still holding my breath every time I open and close the keyboard but it looks like that may have been the problem. That's strange because I'm using the original battery. Thought this may help in case anyone else ever runs into this.
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yep, my problem seems to have gone now as well by using you're method. i was almost ready to send it back and then i saw you're post and tried your method and it worked !
Thats a pretty stupid mistake by SE...
They should do a quick fix by making new batters a smidge thicker. Of course they probably wouldn't offer free replacements, but they should fix it anyway.
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11/17/08 UPDATE: PROBLEM RESOLVED!
After further review and testing, it appears that the battery was losing connection to the battery contacts. I shoved a small crumb of paper folded up (about 1mm thick) at the back of the batt and the problem has gone away. Of course, I'm still holding my breath every time I open and close the keyboard but it looks like that may have been the problem. That's strange because I'm using the original battery. Thought this may help in case anyone else ever runs into this.
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Where did you place the paper exactly ? On the back of the battery where all the info text is or on the bottom ?
When my device is cold, eg in the morning for first use, this sometimes doesnt happen for >20x tries...but when i used it for a longer time and it almost always shuts down when slammed shut..but i already thought it might be something with the battery, but sometimes while slamming it shut for numerous times even the battery cover would come up and it didnt shut down...then in another situation it shuts down immediatly
Poor design...
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Where did you place the paper exactly ? On the back of the battery where all the info text is or on the bottom ?
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Yea...what I found with the design is that the ribbon cable connecting the keyboard sits right under the battery. In fact you can see the protrusion when you remove the battery under the white label. It moves when the keyboard is opened and closed. Slightly...but it does move.
...anyway...I folded a small piece of paper to wrap around the back edge of the battery.
Try this:
1. Make a small rectangular strip of paper about 10mm x 20mm and fold it the long way so you end up with a 5mm x 20mm piece.
2. Wrap it around the back/bottom edge of the battery as you reinsert it.
(If the battery fits more snug in its compartment, you got it right!)
3. Put the back cover back on--which should also be more snug.
4. Turn on the device and try it out (slam the keyboard).
(You don't have to wait for it to completely boot up...you can test it when the SE logo appears).
Be careful to use regular copy paper and not paper that's too thick as it may cause some other damage/problems with the device.
could you make a picture of that ?
Actually i will recieve a new device tomorrow, but i still have the feeling that this problem might reoccur as it seems to be a design flaw
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11/17/08 UPDATE: PROBLEM RESOLVED!
After further review and testing, it appears that the battery was losing connection to the battery contacts. I shoved a small crumb of paper folded up (about 1mm thick) at the back of the batt and the problem has gone away. Of course, I'm still holding my breath every time I open and close the keyboard but it looks like that may have been the problem. That's strange because I'm using the original battery. Thought this may help in case anyone else ever runs into this.
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I'm currently playing around with an old XV6800 I got off ebay, and this seems to have fixed the problem, so thanks
I had the same problem too.. but it was linked with the flex cable. Now i just don't use my keyboard even after fixing it.
From what I've been able to find from searching, I think my Tilt is about to bite the dust, but thougth I'd post the symptoms and see if anyone has any good info.
My screen has been occasionally fading to white. Not sure how else to describe it. It just sort of starts getting white, and within 2-3 seconds will be completely white. It is still working, that is, I can place a call (using MS Voice Command); I can play music.
I have SPB Mobile Shell on it, and a button assigned to go to the home screen. I can press that, and it will go to the home screen and display normally. If it is a hardware problem, I find it interesting that I can go back to the main screen. I suspect it is close to gone.
Any thoughts?
If so, anyone know what it costs to repair, and where to do that?
Sounds like a software thing to me, I hate to say it but try a hard reset. Do you have a 6.5 rom?
I've been thinking of doing a hard reset anyway, My memory is about used up. I'm not quite sure why. Probably should get it cleaned up.
No, I'm not on 6.5. I've been reluctant to make the move. I did some rom updates some time ago, and then the person working it decided to stop. I decided to stay with MFGR based roms after that.
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I've been thinking of doing a hard reset anyway, My memory is about used up. I'm not quite sure why. Probably should get it cleaned up.
No, I'm not on 6.5. I've been reluctant to make the move. I did some rom updates some time ago, and then the person working it decided to stop. I decided to stay with MFGR based roms after that.
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Good thinking.
Likely NOT software but hardware -- could be the screen is going bad, or perhaps just the ribbon cable than connects the screen is broken or not seated properly.
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Likely NOT software but hardware -- could be the screen is going bad, or perhaps just the ribbon cable than connects the screen is broken or not seated properly.
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So the hardware problem is just scared of the button he has assigned?
I have SPB Mobile Shell on it, and a button assigned to go to the home screen. I can press that, and it will go to the home screen and display normally.
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Try putting the phone in the bootloader screen and let it sit there, that should let it go around the software.
Erm, yeah -- I guess that wouldn't be indicative of a hardware problem
Well, I am doing the hard reset. So far, no white.
Hmmm...lordy...I have a lot of stuff I try to put on this phone.
I wonder how much memory, both types, I need to keep available.
Don't put anything on the phone that you REALLY REALLY don't need. This is a taste phase and you need the least amount of BS on there.
Well, I've got most of what I need loaded, and have 61MB storage, and 63MB of Program memory free. Much better than before.
But I am still getting the fade to white occasionally.
I'm thinking hardware.
Anyone know if checking the 'ribbon' cable is user capable thing? I don't see it easily. I'll so some searching in the meantime.
Also, any feedback on cost and where for a new screen? Or do I just trash it when it finally goes?
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I am noticing that it particularly does it when I click the Windows (lower left) hard button on the front. I'm thinking it is related to a problem with that button.
Could be when you press that button you are flexing the cable enough to make it lose connection and go white -- this could be good news -- there are instructions scattered in this forum on how to take the phone apart. I'd recommend doing that and makeing sure the cable is firmly seated -- you should also inspect it for cracks.
Hopefully it's just a loose cable and making sure its in all the way will fix it -- if not you'll have to track down a new one.
Thanks. I'll do some searching for those instructions.
In the meantime, I called HTC just to get their thoughts on repair. First thing they told me was to upgrade the rom to the latest which is 3.57.502.2 .
I haven't been following ROM discussions. I need to check that out too. I wish I had seen or thought of that before I just spent a day with the hard reset/reinstall
did this get resolved?
I have the same issue. was it the ribbon cable?
update. I loaded a stock rom, and this appears to have solved the fade to white
Sorry...beeen away a bit.
I have not resolved the issue. It is intermittent, and hasn't happened for a few days now.
I searched and have found some instructions about taking the screen apart, but have not tackled that yet.
In my case I can't imagine changing roms making any difference, as I've had this rom for many months and it is just recently starting this.
I have found new LCD screens for this for ~ $30. I'm wondering if replacing the screen may be an ultimate solution or, if it is possible/likely that it is somethign else hardware related.
Been busy, and don't have the tools yet, so it may be a bit (or when it goes permanenly white forcing action) before I get any further on this.
It is definitely a hardware issue, my wife's tilt did the same thing, then it went permanent white. I first took it all apart looking for a bad ribbon cable or connection because it had taken a few good falls. But that was not it. So I bought a screen for about 30.00 online and shazam that was it!
Thanks for that info. I was thinking of ordering the screen, but concerned it could be something other than the screen (even though logically it would make sense that it is the screen.)
This may be a problem beyond the scope of android, but seeing as I'm running it, I thought I'd try here first.
I've noticed that the lower left hand side of my screen has a "dead spot" where touch is simply not registered. To illustrate, I went to screen calibration's test screen and drew a straight line along the edge of the screen. (See Attachment)
I've tried recalibrating the screen (manually and resetting to default calibration) as well as wiping data and reinstalling the system. Reinstalling the system worked once, but then the problem came back and subsequent reinstalls did not fix the issue.
I'm running Incubus26jc super froyo [RLS 12] on the 15-07-10 340X480 Froyo Kernel.
Anyone else seen anything like this? As far as I can tell, the problem is not getting any worse. Currently, it's only a hindrance when trying to use keys in that region, but I can work around it by switching to and from landscape. It's a bit of a hassle, so I'm hoping someone may be able to shed some light on the situation.
I was sure it was hardware until the system reinstall fixed it, but am now baffled as I can no longer replicate the fix.
I have not tried reinstalling the kernel but will at some point in the next day or so. I'd like to avoid switching back to WM to check if the problem persists, but may have to... we'll see. Doing everything I can to make this phone last until the Incredible month of February when I'm up for an upgrade.
dont know the issue resolution... but i have the same with my touch vogue.. and in the same 'area' apparently as well.
hard for me to hit the 'a' key on my keyboard. hehe
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one... anyone else?
Bottom right corner for me... I was able to calibrate around it but it took a few tries.
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The sensitivity across my screen was inconsistent some time ago. I found that years of my abuse had taken a tole on the exterior of my phone. It eventually got worse and I bought a new housing (with a new digitizer) on ebay for a reasonable price. If it is hardware then it really isn't that hard to fix if you like taking things apart.
If you're sure that win mo accepts input from that part of the screen then nevermind my post. I would play with a painting app though and investigate the hardware further.
I may be talking a little out my a$$ with this part but.. is it possible that in calibrating your screen the os may change it's settings on how hard you have to press and such also. that may be how you got it working.
In any case, my investment in a hew housing was well worth it considering how modern my old phone has become thanks to the developers here.
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I may be talking a little out my a$$ with this part but.. is it possible that in calibrating your screen the os may change it's settings on how hard you have to press and such also. that may be how you got it working.
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In my case, no - when drawing a straight line down or across the screen, the line starts 'moving' away from the stylus (like the picture in the OP).
Gah... now it's shutting itself off randomly and the dead spot has grown. Not good at all.
Yeah, mine was better for a while then 'slid' again. I ended up swapping the digitizer with my other Vogue and things are back to normal.
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I have another vogue, but am weary of doing anything like that. How hard was it to get done?
All you need to do is switch the front half of the housing rather than the digitizer itself- it's not hard. There's a teardown guide somewhere in the forum, Google Vogue teardown and it should be at the top.
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The only thing that worries me is that my spare vogue exists because it was dropped in a muddy puddle. I'm hoping the water damage isn't too bad. Guess we'll just have to see.
it is really annoying
I have the exact same problem and I too thought it was a hardware issue till I saw this Thread. I was ignoring it till two days ago when it started really bugging me. Now, I don't even need to press any button and it automatically gets pressed around the curve and I have a google search box there, so it keeps on searching for eee or sss randomly and started draining my battery. Is there a proper fix for this?
I thought I'd chime in too... I could never seem to calibrate the touchscreen properly in either Android or Debian. Changing the screen resolution (i.e. msmfb scaling) seems to have no effect, whether it's 240x320 or 640x480. Any area within 5mm or so of the edges of the LCD will register as the edge, making "A" and several other keys on the virtual keyboard impossible to hit. Passing calibration values to the kernel didn't seem to fix anything, but it's possible I was using them the wrong way...
i have the same kind of problem on my Kaiser... i think its realted to hardware... either the housing or the digitizer...
I am experiencing the same problem on X10 mini pro. the same screen spot exactly, i have to try very hard to get z or x or shift to work. Sometimes when I try locking the screen and unlocking it back, it works.
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so after a very long time with this problem i decided to change the digitizer and problem is gonne. visualy the broken digitizer had nothing wrong with it. The fix was fairly easy though, there is no glued parts involved into getting a new digitizer on the u20i.
Touch Screen
I just bought a brand new Cubot One and it looks more than perfect! It has just a little problem with the touch screen ( I think its the software, need ROM change). There is a dead line on the right side of the screen that touch doesn't work at all. Any solutions? Anyone faced that before? Can I fix it myself or do I have to send it back for replacement? Is there any video or guide that shows its done?
I uploaded a video on YouTube to show the problem but i cant post it yet.. (new member)
You can write "Cubot One touch screen problem" and it's the 1st one.
Thank You!