ok, im inbetween a newb and a full out destructive force to any type of moddable device and im having a little bit of trouble with my cingular 8125. ive had this phone for a few months and i am having the hardest time dealing with the rom on the phone now. ill give a quick breifing on it:
got it with original cingular rom, not sure what spl or ipl on it but the first thing i did was unlock it by myself, cid and sim unlocked, and then updated to a jaguar wm 6.1 rom which worked fine. decided i was going to unfortunately sell this phone so i decided to upgrade it one more time to see if i really wanted to sell it, i then bought the upgrade to go past my 2.21 ipl and spl. i got my unlocker and followed my instructions and got a brick. but not a full brick. its stuck in the bootloader screen. after reading countless threads, i learned that i should be able to just still update a rom to the phone with no problems which actually works, but as soon as a rom completes it goes right back to my bootloader screen so help me! please cuz now thats its a challenge again, i want the phone! plus all my info is on the phone still back up
Flash the official stock ROM first, then use Button's ROM to downgrade your IPL and SPL before unlocking CID.
post the present IPL/SPL it displays now.Which rom you are trying to flash now ?
ok when i try to put the most current 8125 rom on my phone (2.25.blah) it tells me that its not the same phone which is weird but thats preventing me from putting the original rom on the phone. however if i try and put the buton rom on the phone now, it will go through completely and say it put it on the phone, but when it restart, its right back to the bootload screen...
and im running IPL 2.21.0001 and SPL 2.21 with a previous installation of a jaguar rom, dont know exactly which one, but i know it was a jaguar rom. but right before i tried to upgrade the updater, i went back to my default WM5 rom so i guess it was te basic 2.21 rom on the phone with WM5
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ok when i try to put the most current 8125 rom on my phone (2.25.blah) it tells me that its not the same phone which is weird but thats preventing me from putting the original rom on the phone. however if i try and put the buton rom on the phone now, it will go through completely and say it put it on the phone, but when it restart, its right back to the bootload screen...
and im running IPL 2.21.0001 and SPL 2.21 with a previous installation of a jaguar rom, dont know exactly which one, but i know it was a jaguar rom. but right before i tried to upgrade the updater, i went back to my default WM5 rom so i guess it was te basic 2.21 rom on the phone with WM5
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WEIRD !
You got mixed Bootloaders of G3 And G4,IPL 2.21.0001 is G4 and SPL 2.21 is G3,as you posted,well,can't say which was original,only you can tell,but some how its mixed Bootloaders,in this situation no Rom will flash,its a 'Brick'.
If as Zabardast says its bricked then you have three options:
1. Get a new Wizard
2. Get a new Wizard Motherboard
3. Get a Wizard with broken LCD from eBay and replace its LCD with your current one and Enjoy!!! (Cheapest)
lol this is tough! but no worries, ill be back with some other pda at some point and time and then ill try and take this phone apart! but the weird thing about my wizard is that this only happened when i tried to update the phone with the CID unlock program that you have to pay for!
lol it was perfectly fine until i tried to do it! oh well, back to my crappy p168!
May be that CID Unlock program was not meant to be for a G3 and you were updating a G3 so it mixed you IPL/SPL and caused a kinda BRICK. So please be careful before doing flashing things because if you dont be carefull then your PPC may become a heavy paper weight, and a costy one too. LOL. TC
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Stop this nonsense immediately,otherwise it'll be reported and you'll be banned.Its spam !!!
try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276963
Cingular 8125 problems
Ok guys i am really pissed i have been looking for three days and cant find it, first off my IPL is at 1.01 and the SPL is at 2.25 and i cant fix it i wanted to install the original 2.25 again and start from scratch but can not find the damn thing so if anyone has it can u just upload it fo me and give me a link that i can get it at please i am sick and tired of waitnin i really like this phone and i dont want to risk bricking it thanks.
Ok, grimgod, aggression is reaaaallly ugly and no freakin one will help with that sh!t attitude (pardon the language, mods). The senior members do everything they can to help the noobs. Have you tried reading the flashing guide, wiki, or tutorial? I'd bet even money you haven't. Have you CID unlocked? Did you flash the button rom twice ( as the guide suggested to get ipl/spl both 2.xx)? Did you flash the official tmo rom (found im the flashing guide)? Have you done anything other than sit on your hands and wait for it to be handed to you? READ AND SEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310831 <HERE!!!!!!!!!! Should I flash your device, too?
Similar issue... need some Wizard Expertise
I picked up a coworkers old Cingular 8125 that he'd had in a drawer for about a year. Battery was right dead so the phone wouldn't boot. I charged the battery on an external charger for a few minutes, put it back into the phone, and plugged it in to the charger until the LED went green indicating a full charge.
When I power up I see the T-Mobile splash screen (light gray background, some square dots, and the "T-Mobile" logo). And there it stays indefinitely.
Tried a hard reset (Comm Mgr + Voice Cmd + Soft Reset), and it said "Press Send to restore factory default". Pressed the green dialer key (I assume that's send), and it says Format FAT partition, FAT partition complete, and then returns to the same T-Mobile splash screen and hangs there.
So then I tried putting it into Boot Loader manually (Power On + Camera). No problem, shows IPL 2.26 and SPL 2.26. Plug it into the computer USB port (running XP Pro), and then the USB connection shows on the phone. Attempted to flash the Wizard Love ROM to get this thing back to square-one. Error 260. Attempted to flash the T-Mobile stock ROM. Error 260.
Between each flash attempt, I'm pulling the battery out and starting fresh. I think I've followed all the steps I'm finding in multiple threads. But for some reason I'm not able to get this thing to communicate via USB. All RUU's give an Error 260. Am I missing something?
Forgot to mention I'm following the steps outlined in this thread from Dr P. To the letter!
Also did a little reading up on using the MTTY method in this thread by Drug_Store. Thought maybe the existing ROM might be intact, and I might be able get it to a 256MB MiniSD, then write the backup ROM from SD in boot loader. Well, for some reason I don't even see the USB connection option when I use the MTTY - can't ever get to a point where I can issue commands. Again, I think I'm following the instruction. But still no juice.
Nudge, nudge. I'd donate for a solution that works... otherwise I have to keep letting my 10 year old play The Quest on my phone.
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I was upgrading my t-mobile 8150(?) the k-jam with the new windows mobile 6 and in the middle of it my comp crashed!! now i am stuck at the bootloader mode (3 colored screen) and when i try to redo it i get to 99% and get a 302 error message. i follow the instructions given but keeps going in circles. its a G3 so is my phone bricked or is there a way to save it? i've been looking at this site all day but am now just more confused. lol thanks for your help!
No your phone isn't bricked. As long as you can get into the bootloader screen you should be ok. What you need to do is flash an official carrier rom either tmobile 2.26 or wizard love rom after you that than you can reflash to wm6. look at the stickies in the wizard forums that is where you can find these roms.
Thanks for the info but seems my techno curse continues. I tried the wizard love rom but it was in a different language and whem i tried the tmobile 2.26 i got "error 274 connection." Any more suggestions? Again thanks soo much for an issue I'm sure has been posted here a thouand times.
This happens to me all the time. I always use the Cingular 2.25 rom, it works perfectly and I have an I-mate K-JAM. Then, do the WM6 upgrade, but ensure all of your Norton and Antivirus and background running apps are shut down. Good luck.
yes also take out your mini sd card if you have one. even though its in another language it will work. "AVANTI means next. so just keep hitting that and you will be fine.
hmm been trying to d/l the Cingular 2.25 rom but the link seems to have stoped working...
It;s aaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllliiiiiiiiiiivvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! for now lol Lets see what happens after i install wm6 I couldn't get the cingular rom but i had already dowbloaded the button rom i found here earlier and it worked like a dream!! quick and easy!! thank you all soooooo much!
hi all. one more little thing. after adding the new rom to get it back to life, now the numbers don't match so i can't upgrade to wm6. i have ipl 1.01 spl 2.26. advice?
flash to the tmo 2.26 or cingular 2.25...that will give you an IPL/SPL of 2.xx
then, you can flash to WM6
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there's any other way to flash without usb cable?? sorry to bug in this thread but i lost my usb connection somehow and did a hard reset and still doesn't work. my phone charges. and no is not my computer cuz my wifes phone same as mine does sync i have a tmobile mda also known as the cingular 8125.
fallon75 said:
hi all. one more little thing. after adding the new rom to get it back to life, now the numbers don't match so i can't upgrade to wm6. i have ipl 1.01 spl 2.26. advice?
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keep reflashing buttons rom until both ipl/spl are the same number. if they are different, then the flash didn't complete correctly. (it happens often, so it's kinda normal). just keep reflashing. after both ipl/spl are the same, then CID unlock and then update to an official carrier...then flash a wm6.
can anyone help me??
Check if "USB" displayed when in bootloader mode (Camera+reset) with Wizard connected to PC.
If so, you may try to flash another ROM through bootloader.
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Check if "USB" displayed when in bootloader mode (Camera+reset) with Wizard connected to PC.
If so, you may try to flash another ROM through bootloader.
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it does shows but how can i flash?? it still won't connect o my pc. my pc doesn't recognize it. but it does recognize my wifes phone.
Try to run RUU straight with Wizard connected and running in bootloader mode
I have a CID unlocked wizard which has seen many roms, without any problems.
Lately I upgraded to IPL/SPL 3.08 and tried the touchflo rom.
Since it didnt work as expected, i presumed i needed to go back to the button rom before burning yet another rom.
Guess that was a mistake. I am now stuck on IPL 1.01 ! Whatever I do, cant get it to go to anything higher. Tried 2.26 IPL/SPL only, the full t-mobile version, the 3.08 again (which gives me spl 3.08 only this time), the german rom etc.
All that changes is the SPL. Tried installing enablerapi again, no result.
I can always get back to 1.01 IPL/SPL but THAT's IT ! NO other ROM works anymore!
What to do, what have i done....
You mean you can flash and work with Button ROM?
If so why not try to go from there to Qtek WWE 1.06, then 2.17 or 2.26?
tried flashing to 1.06 .. and got at 96% that the NBF was no good for my device.
However it changed the spl to 1.01.0000 instead of 1.01.
you should flash the buttom or love rom over and over again til you get both spl and ipl to 1.xx. people in the the threads have commented that sometimes it could take up to 8 flashes or more to eventually get it to work...dunno what causes it, but afterwards, flashing to a carrier rom should be fine...
good luck
Please read my first post.
I can get both IPL and SPL the same without a problem.
Both are 1.01 at that point.
I have been burning ROMs for a year now, so I know about this stuff already.
It must have something to do with going back from 3.08.
I have been on 3.08 both IPL and SPL dont forget!
At 1.01/1.01 IPL/SPL I still can not burn any ROM without error.
It wasnt like this before, have been on high numbers already.
after trying yet another operator ROM, gone back to IPL/SPL 1.01/Button ROM.
(shouldnt it say 1.05 btw?)
Button doesnt fully install anymore.. it gets stuck at about 98% after discobuttons.cab on the extended rom installation.
maybe that is a hint?
should i reinstall enableRAPI and cert_spcs before upgrading? my phone is cid unlocked for sure, and the service tool also says it is.
UPDATE: * installing xda mini..
* it got me 1.01 / 1.05
* reinstalling mini
* install also stops on signed discobuttons.sa.cab
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after trying yet another operator ROM, gone back to IPL/SPL 1.01/Button ROM.
(shouldnt it say 1.05 btw?)
Button doesnt fully install anymore.. it gets stuck at about 98% after discobuttons.cab on the extended rom installation.
maybe that is a hint?
should i reinstall enableRAPI and cert_spcs before upgrading? my phone is cid unlocked for sure, and the service tool also says it is.
UPDATE: * installing xda mini..
* it got me 1.01 / 1.05
* reinstalling mini
* install also stops on signed discobuttons.sa.cab
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It means you can take it as far as installing extended_rom? Why don't you soft-reset the phone when the message of the 3 seconds appear?
if you're just installing button rom as a step to higher roms why the extended_rom? Simply forget about it and install 2.xx
No roms worked anymore, so tried ipl/spl 2.26 together with the installer from button.. it gave me 2.26 on spl again. NO change still on IPL.
IPL seems pretty stuck on 1.01.
in case it helps, are you flashing on windows xp or windows vista?
Here, try this. It's IPL/SPL 1.05 only. I'm not sure if it will work but it's worth a try.
It gives me 1.01 / 1.05 ....
trying multiple times .. hold on
tried 10 times.. ipl 1.01 spl 1.05
giving it few more tries on button
oh windows xp professional 32bit ..
trying love, buttong all in a row again.. still on IPL 1.01 SPL 1.01.
I think i found a new way to brick a wizard, goto 3.08 and back to 1.01
However, I think the phone not fully installing the extended rom must be a hint, since it usually had no problems with this.
Now on love and button, it stops at discobuttons.
Hate to tell you this, but I'm out of ideas at the moment. If I think of something, I'll let you know though.
Just a quick thought though, did you try removing the battery for about a half hour or so and then trying it again?
will leave battery out all night and try again tomorrow.
apart from the 'not being able to fully install extended rom' another thing that is remarkable is that the wizard service tool says I don't have a Wizard, after that however the info is correct (wiza200, cid unlocked etc).
further most ROM installers now crash at about 95% with error 320 saying the NBF is not made for my device.
is there anyone that has succesfully been on ipl/spl 3.08, down to button and up to 3.08again?
something else, the bootscreen doesnt show a GSM ROM version anymore, is that normal on ipl 1.01, could it be that i need to downgrade to certain gsm version ?
^$%#$ i dont think i can get the t-mobile service department to fall for my bricked mda excuses for a second time.
was pretty proud i got them to fix it for free first time i bricked it.. but this is different hehe....
(in case you wonder: 24volts made them not discover the cid lock, just created a bigger problem for the phone so they gave me whole new pcb.. i said the powersuply caused it )
The person that I was helping on that other thread successfully got his from 3.08 down to 1.01 and then back again. It wasn't easy, but getting theirs back up was a walk in the park compared to yours. I seriously hope that leaving the battery out over night does the trick because I'm pretty much at a loss as to what else to do.
It not showing a gsm version shouldn't be a big deal. You said that your rom installers are shutting down at 95% so it just may not be installing the radio, but your wizard should still operate without it. You just wouldn't be able to do any phone related things like make calls etc. but everything else should still work.
Don't worry about the wizard service tool saying that it isn't a wizard, it says that when I run it on mine too.
Just a thought, and definitely not a suggestion since you mentioned the 24v thing, do you have insurance on it? Accidentally dropping it in the bathtub might help solve your problem, not that I would ever condone insurance fraud or anything like that. All you would be out would be whatever your deductible is, although if your deductible is like mine it still wouldn't be cheap. I'd still give a little more time before doing anything rash anyway.
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Just a thought, and definitely not a suggestion since you mentioned the 24v thing, do you have insurance on it? Accidentally dropping it in the bathtub might help solve your problem
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good idea, but on the limit for this kind of thing for this phone as you can understand from the 24v issue
now at work, phone doing without battery all night... told him it is final warning, maybe taking his juice away will make him realise it is time to get to life
LOL Good idea. Tell it that if it doesn't decide to straighten up and start working you're going to run it over with your car. That ought to make it decide to work again'
So did it fix it?
oh man it got really angry with me.
on the wizardlove rom i had no radio @ all. but no charging or power info either!
you guessed it, been playing with wires and a 1.5v-12v powersupply set on 4.5v. Since it was doing it's paperweight imitation on me.
Got power back on 39%, going for a uuh 41% walk of my labrador.
Keep you posted.
Btw, extended rom in wst is unknown... is that any hint?
could protocol version be a hint?
next thing i try is flash another radio first, turn around the sequence.
Hmm, with the things that are hapening right now, no radio and the extended rom being unknown, I'm starting to think maybe the rom you're flashing has somehow become corrupted. You don't really need to worry about the ROM or the radio too much anyway, that shouldn't really have any bearing on whether you can get your IPL up or not. Try just flashing the 1.05 IPL/SPL update or the 2.26 update again and see if leaving the battery out for a while finally lets you upgrade it.
First off, anyone on this forum who has contributed anything, I am have the deepest respect for, and my favorites will get donations as soon as I have money. Ok enough a$$ kissing.
So here is my problem:
I flashed it's right's TNT 6.1 19919 after hardspling. After many problems, like pseudo-hard resetting (turning off, losing all but 6% battery, and changing the date back to what it was originally i.e. 1/27/06) while in a phone call and doing the same while using the wifi, i hard reset and still the same problems occurred. so I undid the hardspl, so now i am back to 2.25.001 in the bootloader but when i connect it to the computer (winxp) to flash the original rom (cingular 2.25) it freezes at 91%. If anyone has had this problem occur or knows the solution as to get ANY rom back on it, IT would be greatly appreciated.
Also after doing some reading I tried to flash wizard love 2.26 to it and that freezes at about 50-60%. so I am stuck and it is really annoying.
Full 8 hour charge, restart computer, different usb port. Same happens: Error 302 Update Error
Hum... maybe when you reCID locked it, you put a CID that's not for that official ROM you're trying to flash. The misbehavior of the phone is due to the ROM you had, not the CID Unlock. If I'm not mistaken, you can hardSPL it again, from bootloader. Then you can try and flash any other ROM you wish. Give my ROM (WM5SE rev5 - if your phone can handle 240MHz - or rev4) a go, after you have CID Unlocked your phone.
My phone can take up to 273 but, all the roms i flashed were g4 safe.... because the ipl spl never changed and i checked them in shell tool . it gives me a update error 302 which wizard love documentation says that the "phone needs a new rom code" which implies that it needs to be taken to cingular, and i dont think i can lie that well. how would one "accidentally" put their phone into bootloader?
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First off, anyone on this forum who has contributed anything, I am have the deepest respect for, and my favorites will get donations as soon as I have money. Ok enough a$$ kissing.
So here is my problem:
I flashed it's right's TNT 6.1 19919 after hardspling. After many problems, like pseudo-hard resetting (turning off, losing all but 6% battery, and changing the date back to what it was originally i.e. 1/27/06) while in a phone call and doing the same while using the wifi, i hard reset and still the same problems occurred. so I undid the hardspl, so now i am back to 2.25.001 in the bootloader but when i connect it to the computer (winxp) to flash the original rom (cingular 2.25) it freezes at 91%. If anyone has had this problem occur or knows the solution as to get ANY rom back on it, IT would be greatly appreciated.
Also after doing some reading I tried to flash wizard love 2.26 to it and that freezes at about 50-60%. so I am stuck and it is really annoying.
Full 8 hour charge, restart computer, different usb port. Same happens: Error 302 Update Error
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You have posted present IPL/SPL 2.25.001,is it 2.25.001 or .0001 ?
As you removed 'HardSPL',did you reflash the appropriate IPL/SPL regarding your phones official bootloader IPL/SPL...?
You shud do the 'HardSPL' again and either do the removal of HardSPL again correctly as instructed in the sticky ' How to remove HardSPL' or Flash any other Rom to recover.
Cheers!
no it was 2.25.001 just a typo. i think i will try these suggestions when i get home and i will post my findings.
Uhh......yea......I was trying to upgrade my Rom to Dutty's Diamond V1 Build 19588. I was using the instructions from Flash-Your-Tilt . I got to Step 4 CID-Unlock it installed 100% rebooted and then nothing. Now the phone will only play the intro with no sound, then go black. It shows in the lower right hand R 1.70.02iNex, G25.65.30, D1.62.00.00. The phone will allow me to do a hard reset but after it it goes through the intro with screen alignment and installs the extra apps, it reboots and then goes black. I did a ton of reading through the wiki's if someone could point me in the right direction or tell me if its toast, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Be strong. I think it's only bricked when you can't power it on.
I have a poor net connection and not time atm. So a suggestion if you haven't already, search the forum for the word bricked. I'm sure this has happened before..
There are several tricks that people know so you might be ok. good luck.
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Uhh......yea......I was trying to upgrade my Rom to Dutty's Diamond V1 Build 19588. I was using the instructions from Flash-Your-Tilt . I got to Step 4 CID-Unlock it installed 100% rebooted and then nothing. Now the phone will only play the intro with no sound, then go black. It shows in the lower right hand R 1.70.02iNex, G25.65.30, D1.62.00.00. The phone will allow me to do a hard reset but after it it goes through the intro with screen alignment and installs the extra apps, it reboots and then goes black. I did a ton of reading through the wiki's if someone could point me in the right direction or tell me if its toast, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
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Flash an OEM Rom/Radio Combo. Also it wont hurt if you already CID unlocked to to go ahead and flash a new SPL to it. Should fix any and all issues as your phone is still actually booting and Not bricked
Installing windows the 6.1 ROM from HTC's site worked. Thank you very much for the great advice. If I wanted to now put Dutty's ROM on my phone can I go straight to that, or do I need to restart the whole ROM flashing process(installing Jump SPL, Hard SPL and CID) ?
If you have unlocked it, just put duttys onto the SD card and rename the .nbh to KAISIMG.nbh
Put the phone into bootloader and install Its the fastest most successful method. No worry about a data cable coming out mid flash ( happened once to me....not fun )
Shouldnt have to install hardspl again ( or use JumpSPL )
Just make sure that if you are installing a WM6.0 rom that you have a WM6.0 radio. If not, the flashing process for the radio is the same ( rename to KAISIMG.nbh )
Is there a way to see if I the hard SPL install and CID unlock worked ? Can I just restart the whole process regardless. Sorry for the noob questions.
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Is there a way to see if I the hard SPL install and CID unlock worked ? Can I just restart the whole process regardless. Sorry for the noob questions.
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Go into bootloader. If your screen says hardspl somewhere near the top then you're good to go. Check which version because you can have radio problems if you use a WM6.0 spl with a WM6.1 rom. Most recent roms are WM6.1 so try HardSPL 3.29 or higher.
If you don't have hardspl, get it here for wm6.0 roms or here for wm6.1 roms.
many thanks, your advice with the links were invaluable. I read and read and read, but i guess i did not read enough. This site rocks.
I have a wizard (wiza110) running wm5 and i wanted to upgrade it. It was the first time i was trying such thing. I was following these instructions http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Wizard%20Windows%20Mobile%206%20for%20newbies. My device is g3. My first attempt was with Button Rom, everything was fine until 99%... i think it was error 302 or something. I took off the battery and plugged it again several times but nothing came out. I had the three-colour screen.
Then I tried The Xda_MiniS_LaunchROM_v154102.exe, still nothing, lokiwiz also...
Last attempt was with wizard Love. USB appears but the ruu can't see the device and stops the process
Any ideas?
i think the device was sim-unlocked...
Flash back to the original rom, charge the battery to 100%. Make a guest connection to windows and start reading this thread from the beginning
do you have a link for the original rom? the thing is that ipl is 1.05 and spl is 2.25
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do you have a link for the original rom? the thing is that ipl is 1.05 and spl is 2.25
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Based on my experience and what I've read here, I'm guessing that your original rom had ipl and spl both 2.25. When you installed the button rom, it updated the ipl but nothing else. Just a guess, but that's what happened to me the first time on my G3. I just re-flashed button rom and continued from there. You should try to find the original rom for whatever kind of phone you have (I mean, the rom from the service provider like Orange, AT&T, etc). Their latest rom might not be 2.25. For example, my phone originally came from T-Mobile. I have the T-Mobile rom that is I think 2.26. I keep it handy, but have only reflashed back to that rom once when my extended rom got messed up.
Read the link suggested above. Good stuff. It is possible to flash a phone that is stuck on the tri-color screen, but it might not work the first try.
Same thing here, just youre getting further
I have ipl and spl on 2.26 received it this way. It's G3. I've been a week looking through the forums. Trying to avoid posting here. But damn it. I can't seem to get anything right. I previously had the G1 and Juno, Flashing was a breeze. But here i feel lost.
Basically my problem is i can't get it to downgrade. upgrade. CID unlock, With neither Lokiwiz or WST. A pain. And really NO RUU runs past the 0% it reboots my phone to boot loader image and USB shows but it reads that it can't find my phone anymore. It's been charged to 100%. Deleted TEMP folder. Was guest under activesync. Changed my USB cables 10 times. It's frustrating. Please. Any suggestions??