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I searched the forums for firewall but nothing really relevant came up.
For my laptop and desktop I use ZoneAlarm security suite (AV, firewall and the whole lot). On the Kaiser there is ... nothing? Am I protected in any way, or do hackers and virus'es have free access when I am online? If so, what do the rest of you do to prevent this?
Could I assume this is of no concern, since no-one replies? I am happy to live without AV-FW software on my PDA, but I don't hope I get any virus in it!
eTrust do antivirus software and Airscanner do av and Firewall sw.
A quick search in Google will find you these sites.
Would AV/firewall grind the Kaiser to a grind or will it run OK?
Any one already running firewall? How much strain is it on the cpu?
Thanks
i ran fsecure for a bit and have also used airscanner for a bit, but TBH have you ever heard of a PDA getting a virus etc. ive certianly had no problems without them anyway.
Does anyone care about security ?
Hi...
I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.
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I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.
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Hey the reason no one makes them for ppc's is because no one writes viruses for ppc's.i have spybot search and destroy for my mogul just cause im a computer hacker and ive seen some of my friends write a couple, they cant really do much though. I would say that u dont need one...also no one distributes viruses for ppc's because the odds of their viruses making it to a ppc and not a pc are very very slim.
i am at work right now. tonight i will download mobilesecruity cab i use. it has a 30 day trial then you have to buy.
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Bitdefender has a Mobile Security product as well. I scooped it up for free when it was in beta test, runs fine and doesn't seem to hit system performance much if at all.
There isn't a single PPC virus "in the wild" and any custom built trojan someone packs into a cab and posts here isn't likely to be caught by any of the current scanners because they are all signature based.
Really being sensible about what you run is the only current option, most WM phones run slow enough as it is without a resident scanner bogging them down anyway.
Symantec recently released an updated version of their "Norton Smartphone Security" software which includes the following components:
- mobile anti-virus; mobile firewall; SMS anti-spam; and LiveUpdate
I have been using this for about 3 weeks on my HTC TYTN II (with the shipped ROM) and have not noticed any performance degradation/reduction. In fact, it seems to have a pretty small footprint - 1.8 MB is the install size.
McAfee has a mobile antivirus, but it isnt free if thats what your looking for
I was happily using Airscanner firewall 3.0 with joy and no performance hit on the HTC stock wm6.1 ROM.
But I am now using the super L26 v9 but the firewall wont load on this ROM or on the previous v8 lite.
I am hoping I will get an answer for this.
I really think this is a waste of time. Norton, F-secure etc make these antiviruses knowing FULL WELL that no genuinely threatening viruses are in the wild - at least none that I've ever heard of or experienced.
I'd be interested to know WHAT these programs are scanning for!
There is plenty of antivirus software for the symbian platform which in my experience only serves to hit speed and performance with absolutely no real-world use whatsoever. In order for a Symbian application that uses critical system rights to be installlable it must first be signed by Symbian - with this in mind it is virtually impossible for a dialler or other frightful gremlin to reach your phone.
I'm sure a similar principal applies to Windows Mobile devices. Besides, it's far more fun to spread a virus on a proper windows platform, with greater consequences, and a hell of a lot easier too.
I really think these companies make most of their money from paranoia, so I choose to ignore them and I will for a while yet.
Fair comment as of course at the end of the day it is down to user choice.
I found f-secure and norton to be crap and would not run right, but airscanner both firewall and anti virus worked perfect on the htc stock rom.
L26 v8 & v9 are great and I prefer these over the stock rom as they are so much faster but to then get a app you just paid for not to work it is human nature to want to get it back.
I have never been hit by a virus etc on my laptop but still choose to use ZoneAlarm and my works VPN when necessary "just to be safe"
An example here is a local water supplier says many areas around here have a bug in the water so people should boil before drinking. Many say our own town is not affected so it does not affect us even tho same water comapny.
I say "I would rather play safe and boil the water then get the squits!" and wait for the comapny to give a global all clear.
there is that, but at least with your example there is evidence of impending health problems, however in this case there is little to support the need for an antivirus; no evidence of any great virus looming on the horizon, thus an antivirus precaution is to me overkill. who's to say that any mobile antivirus will even work? there's nothing to test these programs out with. The fact is that viruses are targeted at windows xp and vista pcs because almost everybody has them and they contain a lot of personal information. Mobile phones almost never have as much on them aside from contacts and perhaps random documents so to target a phone would never be as fruitful. anyone with any sense will encrypt sensitive information anyway as the likelihood of losing or having your phone stolen greatly outweighs the likelihood of a virus.
i think a better analogy would be to say that it would be like armour plating your car because you're heard about Securicor vans being hit for their money: the reality is that securicor vans have far more desirable contents for the higher-minded felon; your little phone (being the armour plated car) will only attract the attention of petty criminals.
I like your way of thinking and take it on board. The reason I bought the antivirus and firewall in the first place was that I will need to connect to my online bank when abroad and wanted to be belt and braces lest some hacker et al intercepts or whatever and takes me up the back passage!
However this may be down to my lack of knowledge of what is considered insure and secure etc.
I know I need to ensure when entering any sensitive data it should be done on a https site. Also my bank ensures its customeres their site is safe and secure. I just wanted to ensure my side is.
Also, this is no way intended to call for a flaming attack on me as I have read some very heated debates on this site which in a way tends to stiffle what people may want to say but do not due to fear of a back lash.
Re my issue I am a donating user of L26 v8 (was on v9 but have reverted) and now the only problem I have is the firewall not even starting. So to have to repeatedly ask for help and not to get even a yes or no but instead read post after post of off topic sniping grates a bit.
chef/cooks etc are the good guys and everyone appreciates the hard work they do, I would not know where to start, but bottom line is a simple acknowledgemnet would not go amis. After all is it too much to ask if a $30 application which worked on stock rom does not work on cooked?
I would not know where to start and for all I know neither would the gurus but they are in a more knowledgable position than I.
If a "sorry I dont know or definitely not" was fed back I could take it up with the application vendor/creator. But being in limbo is frustrating
Kaspersky does security stuff for WM, and had a free 30 day trial. I haven't had a rom that I've kept for more than 30 days so far anyway, so I've not hit any 30 day limits yet lol.
Chris
I would wager a bet that you're safer using internet banking with your pocket pc than a home pc over wifi (even with an antivirus).
Cooked ROMS invariably suffer compatibility issues which can have the most complicated or the simplest of explanations, however each differ from case to case.
Your problem may stem from wm6.1 itself - perhaps your antivirus is asking for rights to information that wm6.1's new coding will no longer afford it.
Did your antivirus work on any other 6.1 ROMs?
Remember 6.1 is brand new and I'm sure a number of software manufacturers are yet to fix all of their products to work with it.
Whatever the scenario you will be hard pushed to find many people in the cooking scene with ANY interest in mobile antivirus software as they are knowledgable enough to see the lack of need for it.
It would be a lot of time out of their schedule for something that would be insignificant to the majority of their downloaders, however I wouldn't personally flame you for asking.
For me a fix for the GPS issues in wm6.1 is a far greater concern.
Tis nice to have such open and friendly chat, I appreciate it thanks.
I have Airscanner anitvirus and firewall, two seperate applications. Both worked on the HTC stock 6.0 and 6.1 ROMS with no performance hit of problems.
I only run the av manually, I do not leave it running in background.
I leave fw running all the time and had no issues with it.
Since I installed l26 v8 and l26 v9 fw installs but when I try to run it it just displays a message 'error 2'
I understand now about the majority not being bothered, but I would have at least expected a yes or no from l26 just out of manners (this of course presuming l26 has read my posts and chose to ignore - apologies if I speak out of turn l26)
If I finally do not get a response from the chef after a reasonable time it would sour my view on donating in future which is a shame as in the end we are all only trying to help each other.
But after all is said and done, your comments on the 'real' threat makes me feel a little easier! Thanks ;-)
In the current issue of PCPro magazine (UK) the Orange version of the Kaiser is chosen as the best smartphone in a comparative test.
I notice that the test lists the huge range of features that the Kaiser has as a big plus point, plus the keyboard.
Having had the Kaiser now for about three weeks, I am coming to the conclusion that the Kaiser is the technological equivalent of a Spork. A spork is a cross between a spoon and a fork. At the risk of being a little unfair, its not a very good spoon and its not a very good fork, but at least its one utensil rather than two. I wonder if the PCPro guys really tested out all of the Kaiser's functions (such as the camera - slow and no flash); or the video; or the less than intuitive functions, of which there appear to be quite a lot? In my experience, easy to use it ain't (although I admit to being a smartphone novice).
It has occured to me that the Kaiser is probably best suited to techno geeks rather than to your average user. I remember that years ago I bought an Iriver MP3 player rather than an Ipod, because it had more functions. Most of the iRiver message boards were concerned with how best to tweak the player, so that it would be easier to use (as easy to use and as intuitive as the Ipod). Eventually, I got fed up with the iRiver and bought an Ipod.
My conclusion after three weeks is that the Kaiser sells mainly on multi-functionality, whereas the Iphone sells on useability (and looks). As a non-techie (as most punters are) I think that the Iphone would probably have suited me better for internet and email. I hope to change my mind as I persevere with trying to get its various functions to work.
Who are you calling a techno geek?!?!
Oh yeah, that is me in a nutshell!
Thats why i got the Tilt over the iPhone though. I knew that i could customize and do tons more stuff on the tilt over the iPhone...maybe that just means i have too much time on my hands...
ps, i also got an iRiver over the iPod. my reasons were that i could treat it like a hd instead of tying myself to iTunes (i though you can go around iTunes, but thats besides the point).
If you wanted to browse the internet, the Kaiser is the way to go.
3.5G Kaiser v 2.5G iPhone............
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the Kaiser is the technological equivalent of a Spork.
It has occured to me that the Kaiser is probably best suited to techno geeks
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Possibly, as I do like to play with things! I kinda think of it as a Swiss Army Knife. Lots of little functions, and possibly a compromise as a result. Could it have a better GPS, Wifi, etc? Yes, but I bet that would effect battery life. Better multimedia support? Personally, I haven't had an issue with it, but out of the box an iPhone is tied to iTunes (does it have the issues with MP3's and WMA files that iPods have / had?). I like being able to sync my Kaiser with Windows Media player, or just pop my memory card into my laptop and copy over an MP3 manually.
Can I play with my phone, and just factory reset if it needs to go in for repair? Yes. Could I do that with the iPhone? Well, wasn't there that little issue with iPhones getting bricked when applying an official Apple upgrade on certain networks if you had 3rd party apps installed and voiding the warrenty?
You do need to play a bit with a Kaiser to get the most out of it, but this is a wonderful community and resource for doing just that. What are your issues with Internet and email? Have you tried the Opera browser to get around the internet issues? Personally, for sending / receiving email with and without attachments I have no issues. Maybe this is because I am a techno geek and have used PDA's for years. I'm sure that once you get your Kaiser setup the way you need, you'll be perfectly happy. I know that this has been the best 'out of the box' device I have had and any geek stuff I have done is just personal preference, I could have lived without it and not compromised the end result.
who called me techno geek!!?? x3!!
yup the kaiser is more like a swiss army knife x)!
with a world of possibilities!!..
just think a little .. microsoft has more time on the mobile market than apple x)
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Possibly, as I do like to play with things! I kinda think of it as a Swiss Army Knife. Lots of little functions, and possibly a compromise as a result. Could it have a better GPS, Wifi, etc? Yes, but I bet that would effect battery life. Better multimedia support? Personally, I haven't had an issue with it, but out of the box an iPhone is tied to iTunes (does it have the issues with MP3's and WMA files that iPods have / had?). I like being able to sync my Kaiser with Windows Media player, or just pop my memory card into my laptop and copy over an MP3 manually.
Can I play with my phone, and just factory reset if it needs to go in for repair? Yes. Could I do that with the iPhone? Well, wasn't there that little issue with iPhones getting bricked when applying an official Apple upgrade on certain networks if you had 3rd party apps installed and voiding the warrenty?
You do need to play a bit with a Kaiser to get the most out of it, but this is a wonderful community and resource for doing just that. What are your issues with Internet and email? Have you tried the Opera browser to get around the internet issues? Personally, for sending / receiving email with and without attachments I have no issues. Maybe this is because I am a techno geek and have used PDA's for years. I'm sure that once you get your Kaiser setup the way you need, you'll be perfectly happy. I know that this has been the best 'out of the box' device I have had and any geek stuff I have done is just personal preference, I could have lived without it and not compromised the end result.
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yeah, the Swiss Army Knife analogy is a good one. The scissors and screwdrivers never seem to work well, but the knife is a good bit of kit overall.
I really do want to love my Kaiser and am making some progress with it. I can now receive the emails (i.e. those of my main pc email account) but still can't manage to send them. I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
Incidentally, if I click on streamimg media and see the rtsp:// what do I do next in order to get, say a BBC broadcast?
well i constantly sign on aim and u cant do that on iPhone...among other things.
It has it's faults, we all know, but what phone with all these functions doesn't?? OH, thinking about it...no other phone has all these functions in this small footprint!!!
JUst a simple comment...I LOVE IT!!!
Sold two laptops as a result of using this phone and made a profit!!!
Can't beat that...
AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion
Top 10 Cell Phone Favorites for 2007 (PC World)
AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140584-c,cellphones/article.html#
To me its like the difference between one of those really basic calculators with the really big buttons on the front (iphone) and a full on scientific graphing calculator that does everything (Kaiser). Yes the first one will do for most people and is easier to use, but for anyone who needs the functionality the scientific is the only option
i really do love my kaiser x)...
i had an iphone but.. i gave it to my sis..
its easy to use.. but.. i got bored with the same things allways!!
(youtube, phone, phone, youtube, music, etc)
now.. on my kaiser i have a C# compiler, it is more interesting for mee!
and a lot of games but.. (yup the drivers suck)
now im waiting for those drivers..
i think the kaiser is an amazing FULL Machine.. x)
Best Pda & Best Handheld
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Top 10 Cell Phone Favorites for 2007 (PC World)
AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140584-c,cellphones/article.html#
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WINNER OF PDA ESSENTIALS AWARDS 2007 - BEST PDA & BEST HANDHELD
The HTC TyTN II (P4550/Kaiser) was given 9/10 from PDA Essentials with the Editors Choice Award "Quite simply as good as Windows Mobile has to offer, this is a stunning handheld"
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yeah, the Swiss Army Knife analogy is a good one. The scissors and screwdrivers never seem to work well, but the knife is a good bit of kit overall.
I really do want to love my Kaiser and am making some progress with it. I can now receive the emails (i.e. those of my main pc email account) but still can't manage to send them. I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
Incidentally, if I click on streamimg media and see the rtsp:// what do I do next in order to get, say a BBC broadcast?
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That means you are sending via one server but as if from another.
Change your outgoing server to the correct one and use authentification.
To see streaming media, go to the relevant site and click the relevant link
The tilt is meant for geeks. That's true.
I had an 8525. I've never been so impressed and so happy with a phone. I could do literally everything i wanted. Then the iPhone cam out. I love macs, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I was bought by the intuitive browser and phone capabilities.
However, within the 6 months I had it, I felt the iPhone was directing me moreso than I directed the iPhone. I had to type a certain way for the keyboard (which was the weakpt) and had to deal with slow EDGE connections. Also, besides the cutesy programs like the program where you can take a pic and then put pirate hats on them (o wow.), there wasn't really much to offer.
I recently got a Tilt, now I'm wondering - why did I even stray in the first place?
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To me its like the difference between one of those really basic calculators with the really big buttons on the front (iphone) and a full on scientific graphing calculator that does everything (Kaiser). Yes the first one will do for most people and is easier to use, but for anyone who needs the functionality the scientific is the only option
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That is the best analogy right there.
And FWIW, I see no reason to ***** and moan about something NOT being "perfect" None of them are so for the sake of your own health and sanity lower your expectations a bit or you will find yourself constantly dissapointed.
The Kaiser/Tilt is a damn good device that is capable of a whole lot. Which makes it appeal to a very broad base of users Nuff said. You want perfect? Then either customize your Kaiser to fit YOUR needs (and be happy you actually have that option... <cough> iPhone </cough> )
Or design, build/manufacture your own.
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I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
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Yep that would be the case! My ISP is plus.net in the UK for internet and email, my mobile phone provider is o2. Now on my laptop, to send email I use the server relay.plus.net. If I use the same one on the Kaiser (unless I'm on my home network connected via my wireless router) I get that error message. Changing the outgoing to server to smtp.o2.co.uk allows me to send email from the Kaiser when I'm out and about. The incoming mail server never changes. So what you need to do is find out what the outgoing mail server is for your mobile p-rovider, enter that in your settings and you should be good to go!
Liked your extra analogy to the swiss knife thingy, it may not be perfect, but what else has all the features that kinda do the job?
I confess
Yep - geek and proud - reckon the Kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread. Many moons ago the non-geeky devices were known amongst my fellow techies as "tarts' systems" politically incorrect expression now but I've been too long in the business to drop it and I've yet to find a more apt repost to people who denounce those of us with a healthy appreciation of technology as geeks!
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Yep - geek and proud - reckon the Kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread. Many moons ago the non-geeky devices were known amongst my fellow techies as "tarts' systems" politically incorrect expression now but I've been too long in the business to drop it and I've yet to find a more apt repost to people who denounce those of us with a healthy appreciation of technology as geeks!
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I have an appreciation of technology, but I don't think its good for my health! I am one of those unfortunate persons who love gadgets, but often does not know how to get them to work! At the moment i feel like a failed wannabee geek. I spent hours yesterday trying to get my pc email to synch with my kaiser, without success (the t- mobile wizard didn't work for me!). I still can't get streaming video to work either. I too hope to get to the point where I can say that the kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread
ps pat, I'm in Yorkshire too
I just installed WMWiFiRouter (http://www.wmwifirouter.com/) trail version and liked pretty much. Would like to buy a license if someone can clarify my questions:
1- Is WMWiFiRouter Legal according to the service providers? I'm with ATT
2- Is anyone who is already using could share their reviews
3- Will ATT objects for WMWiFiRouter usage? Obviously I will be using for web browsing and not for downloads.
Thanks Folks !!
1. Wifi router would be a violation of ATT tos
2. I use wifi router daily. I havent tried the newest release but i did try v1.10 and reverted back to an older version. Sure there are new options and tools in the new versions but its slow and buggy (may take 2 or 3 atempts for connection, connection drops, takes longer to connect). I would suggest that you try version 0.91 (which is a free version). It lacks the extra options like connection security and naming your connection, but you can go to the connection itself after it has been created and name it and encode it there. version 0.91 is fast, almost never drops out, and connect right away.....oh, and again i believe its free.
3. Dont tell um : )
(just make sure to stay within their data cap.
Thanks YL Groper.
I have unlimited data plan so I wont be exceeding the data limit. Where can I get the 0.91 version? Can you share please..
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1. Wifi router would be a violation of ATT tos
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I would suggest that you try version 0.91 (which is a free version). It lacks the extra options like connection security and naming your connection, but you can go to the connection itself after it has been created and name it and encode it there. version 0.91 is fast, almost never drops out, and connect right away.....oh, and again i believe its free.
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WMWifiRouter is not free and if you are using a beta before Chainfire, its author and a hero to the xda community, went commercial either because that was the version availabl!e when you first got it and stuck with it or you pirate it, you are doing so against the wishes of the author. Maybe not the law, but the author.
So either pay up, beg for his permission on irc, live without it or live in sin.
That aside, when Time Warner cut me off I spent three weeks bootlegging ... copies of Debian Linux like it was my job and AT&T didn't break my balls about the many gigs of bandwidth -- perhaps because they'd make more money by my having to buy another $45 battery shortly after.
Got this version
i've got this version, its work fine for me on my raphael. dk wich version it is.
Mod EDIT: Perma ban for that, DO NOT POST WAREZ.
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i've got this version, its work fine for me on my raphael. dk wich version it is.
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That looks like the 21 day [edit: cracked] demo of 1.25 (current). However, even posting the demo violates Chainfire's website's EULA which includes "You may not sell, assign, license, disclose, or otherwise transfer or make available the Software or any copies of the Software in any form to any third parties, without the written permission of Morose Media."
Sorry to be anal but for those of you who also wish to be anal or courteous, to download the trial you should go here and check off that you accept the EULA and get the cab.
If you want more information about WMWifiRouter, check out Chainfire's thread. Note that he doesn't post the cab, just the link, possibly I'd bet to keep track of how many people are downloading it and from where for marketing purposes. That's what I'd do and that may be what Chainfire is contractually obligated to do his best to make sure it happens that way. When your product, even its demo, is running in the wild, that's valuable information you're not getting that you could use to leverage yourself a better offer.
And please people, nobody post the betas in this thread, another or anywhere on the Internet. Just give out the download link, http://global.wmwifirouter.com/trial/.
Doug
Personally I think its BS that he released free versions (.91) and now tells people they can't download or use them. What a greedy SOB. We all make, build, and use software that is freeware for the reason that we share it. If you want to sell your version, go for it. But don't get a god complex and demand everyone stop using everything you've created until they pay you. Especially if you released it as freeware.
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Thanks YL Groper.
I have unlimited data plan so I wont be exceeding the data limit. Where can I get the 0.91 version? Can you share please..
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ATT has a 5GB cap on their unlimited data plans. So yeah, you have to worry about that. Just be on a heads up. A friend of mine just got hit for it, ended up with a $3,000 bill.
You got to be F'ing kidding me.
Chainfire, like many others here, started developing a program that turned out to be brilliant and invaluably useful to so many people. So he gave it out for free both to hook everybody up with something fantastic /and/ to get feedback from people on how to make it better.
But a program that turns your cell phone into, essentially, a Linksys router plugged into a cable modem is extraordinarily complex. He didn't invent the paperclip, patent it, kick back and let the royalties come in, he made something that required and still requires thousands of hours of development, something for which there is a huge market not just for our phones but Nokias and Blackberries.
So it hits the streets here first, people love it, they want more, they want more features, they want encryption, they want different ports, they want more thousands of hours out of him; suddenly it turns into a full time operation for Chainfire. Full time from the beginning as a hobby and now as a possible small career.
And then he apparently gets an offer from some kind of technologically-related venture capital outfit basically offering him a job under, of course, a lot of conditions. They market the program as aggressively as they can, sell it and give him a small cut. He takes the deal. The man did not have an infinite source of income before this (nor does he now) and this is a very rare, the only one of which I am aware, that something born on XDA is so good that it gets commercial attention.
We should all be proud of him and WMWifiRouter stands as an example of what you might be able to accomplish here if you work hard enough.
And you're going to break balls and call it bull**** that in order to use what he started for more than a trial period to figure out that it's worth far more you have to pay $30 just because it started in betas without EULAs? What kind of asshole are you?
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Personally I think its BS that he released free versions (.91) and now tells people they can't download or use them. What a greedy SOB. We all make, build, and use software that is freeware for the reason that we share it. If you want to sell your version, go for it. But don't get a god complex and demand everyone stop using everything you've created until they pay you. Especially if you released it as freeware.
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All arguing asside I really ike WMWiFiRouter
Kewlj1313
Isriam said:
Personally I think its BS that he released free versions (.91) and now tells people they can't download or use them. What a greedy SOB. We all make, build, and use software that is freeware for the reason that we share it. If you want to sell your version, go for it. But don't get a god complex and demand everyone stop using everything you've created until they pay you. Especially if you released it as freeware.
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As much as I would like to agree with you, I can't. Many successful companies have done the same. Hell, Microsoft is doing that right now. Anyone can go download Windows 7 and get a key. Then suddenly, everyone's Windows 7 installs will be telling the users they need to buy a key! Sounds familiar, except Chainfire is just asking people to buy a license for the upgraded program. He wants a return on his investment.
He's done so much for this community, you can't cast him out and piss on his name. He's putting actual time and money into his new project and improving it. Unless he tries forcing the people using the free version into upgrading, I really don't see a problem with it.
My my, what a heated discussion!
First, to answer the original poster's questions:
1 & 3:
It is the same for all providers: you need a data plan that allows tethering. If you don't, you would be violating their terms of service. Which in turn means they could charge you extra or just terminate your phone service. If you use WMWifiRouter regularly you should by all means get a data plan that allows tethering, just to be sure. (you wont get thrown in jail, though )
2:
I obviously cannot answer that
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As to some of the 'points' made here by others. You guys are clueless. I wrote a long response to explain exactly what/how, but you know what, even if I posted that, you still wouldn't understand (or try to). So I'm just going to keep it short instead.
No, you are not allowed to distribute any version of WMWifiRouter. That you didn't have to pay for the old versions is completely irrelevant to that. You were never allowed to distribute them, and with good reason. Never have I said people who were using 0.91 or older had to upgrade, or that they had to stop using it - so stop pretending I did. And if you know this and still continue to do that, it's nothing but disrespectful to the people who make the stuff you use.
You have no idea how much time goes into the development, testing and support of something like this (I spend > 60 hours a week on it and still release a lot of other things here on XDA, and I'm not the only person working on it). It was just not possible to go on with developing it without charging for it - and the current WMWifiRouter is much better because of it. Not to mention the legal stuff that went on around the time of 0.91 that cost me a bunch of money out of my own pocket - and as people hardly ever donate ....
It is not and has never been a matter of greed, it's always been a matter of finding a way to get it done. If you're big enough to complain about it, you should be big enough to simply refrain from using it altogether... Just because you are a freeloader doesn't mean I'm the bad guy here.
And btw, if you've never tried version 1.20 or up, you never really tried WMWifiRouter ...
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My my, what a heated discussion!
First, to answer the original poster's questions:
1 & 3:
It is the same for all providers: you need a data plan that allows tethering. If you don't, you would be violating their terms of service. Which in turn means they could charge you extra or just terminate your phone service. If you use WMWifiRouter regularly you should by all means get a data plan that allows tethering, just to be sure. (you wont get thrown in jail, though )
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I obviously cannot answer that
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As to some of the 'points' made here by others. You guys are clueless. I wrote a long response to explain exactly what/how, but you know what, even if I posted that, you still wouldn't understand (or try to). So I'm just going to keep it short instead.
No, you are not allowed to distribute any version of WMWifiRouter. That you didn't have to pay for the old versions is completely irrelevant to that. You were never allowed to distribute them, and with good reason. Never have I said people who were using 0.91 or older had to upgrade, or that they had to stop using it - so stop pretending I did. And if you know this and still continue to do that, it's nothing but disrespectful to the people who make the stuff you use.
You have no idea how much time goes into the development, testing and support of something like this (I spend > 60 hours a week on it and still release a lot of other things here on XDA, and I'm not the only person working on it). It was just not possible to go on with developing it without charging for it - and the current WMWifiRouter is much better because of it. Not to mention the legal stuff that went on around the time of 0.91 that cost me a bunch of money out of my own pocket - and as people hardly ever donate ....
It is not and has never been a matter of greed, it's always been a matter of finding a way to get it done. If you're big enough to complain about it, you should be big enough to simply refrain from using it altogether... Just because you are a freeloader doesn't mean I'm the bad guy here.
And btw, if you've never tried version 1.20 or up, you never really tried WMWifiRouter ...
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Very well said.......
The sole of a shoe is always being worn, some wear there's more than others. But, if it was your sole being worn by someone else. What would you do for protection of your feet?
LMAO, some people are ridiculous. Keep doing what you do Chainfire the mobility world is better for it.
Rob
I never once said you couldn't sell your software, upgrade your software, or spend time adding features. I said you were greedy for demanding all previous freeware versions removed from all sites and calling anyone who uses a freeware version a thief. 0.91 was released as freeware and as such you should have no problem with anyone sharing it or using it. You're making it sound like using 0.91 is against the law and anyone doing so must pay to use 1.25.
For the record I invest thousands of hours in coding and software as well and make plenty of money doing so. I just believe that when you release shareware or freeware, that you should understand one day you may wish to market your software and older, less featured software may still be available because YOU decided to release it early.
This is a classic case of greed. If someone wants a full featured fully working platform, make them pay for it. But if they decide they can live with your freeware, first trial public versions, then why be an ass about it? And yes, I've read about you going around demanding sites remove your previous versions, and making mods lock topics or remove links to your previous versions.
Don't you read? You were never allowed to distribute it. It said so both in the thread and the download page on the site, when the old downloads were available. Makes your complete response completely irrelevant. And again, using 0.91 is not against the law, spreading it is. Just because you didn't have to pay for it, doesn't mean you can do everything you want with it. If I had charged $0.01 for it from the start, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
As for why I'm being an 'ass' about it, is because people don't want to play by the rules I set for the software I made. That doesn't make me an ass, that makes them an ass. Perhaps if the people who know what/where/how with the old versions just kept using them silently, and stopped trying to post it everywhere all over again and get 'noobs' to use it, often on devices that aren't compatible and when they screw up turn to me for support and to fix things, perhaps then I wouldn't need to make a fuss about it, because it doesn't cost me to have them around?
Anyways, I'm done discussing this. Believe what you will, the world is full with people like you why cry when other people stop giving things away. That's greed on your part.
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I just installed WMWiFiRouter (http://www.wmwifirouter.com/) trail version and liked pretty much. Would like to buy a license if someone can clarify my questions:
1- Is WMWiFiRouter Legal according to the service providers? I'm with ATT
2- Is anyone who is already using could share their reviews
3- Will ATT objects for WMWiFiRouter usage? Obviously I will be using for web browsing and not for downloads.
Thanks Folks !!
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I am a regular user of WMWifiROuter for more than half a year now. I ofcourse purchased the software after it stopped being free. I am not going to get into the debate about the selling of the software and will limit my comments to my technical knowledge of the product.
Well, its a lifesaver for me and the two other co-workers of mine who all use my HSDPA connection to surf.
Now, that said, it is unfortunately not a 100% stable piece of software. The version that I use is 1.11, which is the last version before the total re-write. The current version (1.25) is bloated in comparison and even less stable than the "classic" versions.
So, with 1.11 I can keep a connection going for half an hour or so, then all sessions get cut, and the connection goes down. Keep hitting reload in Firefox and eventually the pages will load again, or maybe not, then the best thing to do is to stop WMWifiRouter and start it again. This is ofcourse not very cool for SSH session and other interactive tasks. For the web in general its a tolerable hassle.
Compare this to plain old Internet Sharing via the native WM 6.1 tool (via USB), which is rather stable and just runs fine more or less.
So, yes, I use the software every day, and without it I'd really be in a bind, but its fair to say its not a finished solution and unfortunately the re-write didn't help any. This is important to keep in mind if you need to do interactive work on-line.
Here's hoping they get it to run better on the Raphael. [Interestingly, on my Kaiser it ran much much more stable, but back then it was all the 1.X versions, so I can't comment how 1.2X works with a Kaiser. But who cares? On the Kaiser it works great. On the Raph, it is as I have said.]
-Z
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.....making mods lock topics or remove links to your previous versions.
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I STRONGLY suggest you take this next sentence under advisement:
Moderators on this forum are not MADE to do anything, threads and links are removed/locked for the good of the forum, end of story. If you believe us moderators are in someway controlled by burocracy feel free to contact the admin and air your views.
AND a word of caution to anyone else deciding to post WAREZ, we made an example in this thread already, ANYONE found posting WAREZ will be banned from the forum for a considerable term.
Isriam said:
I never once said you couldn't sell your software, upgrade your software, or spend time adding features. I said you were greedy for demanding all previous freeware versions removed from all sites and calling anyone who uses a freeware version a thief. 0.91 was released as freeware and as such you should have no problem with anyone sharing it or using it. You're making it sound like using 0.91 is against the law and anyone doing so must pay to use 1.25.
For the record I invest thousands of hours in coding and software as well and make plenty of money doing so. I just believe that when you release shareware or freeware, that you should understand one day you may wish to market your software and older, less featured software may still be available because YOU decided to release it early.
This is a classic case of greed. If someone wants a full featured fully working platform, make them pay for it. But if they decide they can live with your freeware, first trial public versions, then why be an ass about it? And yes, I've read about you going around demanding sites remove your previous versions, and making mods lock topics or remove links to your previous versions.
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I do believe you have not an idea what the hell you are talking about.
You come off as being frustrated that a product took off and in turn was made into a commercial product that you have to NOW pay for. If you code software for a living you would know this FIRST hand.
Capitalism is great my friend.......
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I do believe you have not an idea what the hell you are talking about.
You come off as being frustrated that a product took off and in turn was made into a commercial product that you have to NOW pay for. If you code software for a living you would know this FIRST hand.
Capitalism is great my friend.......
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Yea you're right. I mean, I even have a purchased copy of wmwifirouter 1.25.
Zn0rt said:
I am a regular user of WMWifiROuter for more than half a year now. I ofcourse purchased the software after it stopped being free. I am not going to get into the debate about the selling of the software and will limit my comments to my technical knowledge of the product.
Well, its a lifesaver for me and the two other co-workers of mine who all use my HSDPA connection to surf.
Now, that said, it is unfortunately not a 100% stable piece of software. The version that I use is 1.11, which is the last version before the total re-write. The current version (1.25) is bloated in comparison and even less stable than the "classic" versions.
So, with 1.11 I can keep a connection going for half an hour or so, then all sessions get cut, and the connection goes down. Keep hitting reload in Firefox and eventually the pages will load again, or maybe not, then the best thing to do is to stop WMWifiRouter and start it again. This is ofcourse not very cool for SSH session and other interactive tasks. For the web in general its a tolerable hassle.
Compare this to plain old Internet Sharing via the native WM 6.1 tool (via USB), which is rather stable and just runs fine more or less.
So, yes, I use the software every day, and without it I'd really be in a bind, but its fair to say its not a finished solution and unfortunately the re-write didn't help any. This is important to keep in mind if you need to do interactive work on-line.
Here's hoping they get it to run better on the Raphael. [Interestingly, on my Kaiser it ran much much more stable, but back then it was all the 1.X versions, so I can't comment how 1.2X works with a Kaiser. But who cares? On the Kaiser it works great. On the Raph, it is as I have said.]
-Z
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Thanks Zn0rt. Did you ever monitored your usage of Data Plan? I'm just concerned about ATT knowing about this. Anyways, I will be using only when I need not every time.
Works great!
Press and hold each profile to change settings
It's on the market
Locale also does this . its on the market too
I find locale works really well especially when using location within the situation aswell. Class app!
Don't Update "Power Manager" !
I understand how hard is it for a developer to make a decent application. I remember the hours (coding and debuging) I've spent on some crappy school projects in C++. However, that dosen't permit the dev to deceive us. The dev of Power Manager has add few features to the latest update and when you download it, you'll realize that your copy becomes a trial and it'll work for 3 days
Shame on you !
yeah, i almost install but whew. i still have it with no trial. if you want it. message me.
these days i backup all apps before updating just in case- did it with this but read the comments first anyway...so anyway i didn't update it either.....its not like i can buy the paid app anyway!! Does he realise that those of us not in USA can't buy it and are then shut out of using his app until such time as google decides to allow us to purchase apps!!!
When I install new Apps I always do "cp -r app app2" in sd-directory.
I even can't buy paid apps, because I dont see them and I also dont support it.
Someone should place a rapidshare link of the free .apk-version at the market comments to protect users from such embarrassment.
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When I install new Apps I always do "cp -r app app2" in sd-directory.
I even can't buy paid apps, because I dont see them and I also dont support it.
Someone should place a rapidshare link of the free .apk-version at the market comments to protect users from such embarrassment.
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I still need to learn all these commands and locations.
I'm assuming that cp -r app app2 means that you're copying the app folder to a folder named app2? Isn't "app" in the phone's memory?
are you kidding?
because the software WAS free to use, doesn't mean you, or anybody else but the autor owns it. You don't have the right to distribute it. If an app costs money or not doesn't change the rights to the software. distributing apps that used to be free is not allowed, because it is not public domain, just because it is free.
I am embarrased about the attitude some here have just because a dev decides to now charge for his work, where he was previously not able to (due to the market not supporting it).
I even can't buy paid apps, because I dont see them and I also dont support it.
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you dont support what? people producing useful apps? people charging for their work? may I ask whats your age? and your profession? I am pretty sure you don't work for a software development house, do you?
let me repeat that: while a dev can provide his software FREE OF CHARGE for as long as he wants, that doesn't make him lose the rights to his work! so stop asking for links to software that used to be free, because this still violates the rights of the owner.
if you want to use an app that costs money, buy it.
oh...and for those that cant wait the few weeks ... well ... I do understand the frustration that causes, but your rant is against selling android software per se. and come on...USD 0.99 is too much? if this is too much, then the app can't be that important to you.
how much time do you think the developer spent creating the app?
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I still need to learn all these commands and locations.
I'm assuming that cp -r app app2 means that you're copying the app folder to a folder named app2? Isn't "app" in the phone's memory?
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Yes, you're right. I have all apps running from my Ext2 sd-card. So there's enough space to copy the App folder several times.
I think you can also save all apps to sd card with ASTRO (Market).
don't think i'm breaking any rules with this, as it's free...
but heres the version before the update. enjoy.
http://rapidshare.com/files/206078555/com.acme.android.powermanager.apk.html
i will reupload if needed.
also have the free slide-locker version before the annoying new one if anyone wants that?
btw, for the European users that want to buy apps, you can use SAM app market:
https://slideme.org/
they don't offer Power Manager as of yet, but I bought Advanced Taskmanager there due to not beeing able to do so from Android market yet
How pathetic.
People ***** and moan about getting better apps, but are too cheap to pay 0.99 cents for one they use.
Truly, truly patheticc.
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How pathetic.
People ***** and moan about getting better apps, but are too cheap to pay 0.99 cents for one they use.
Truly, truly patheticc.
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not really =/
people are *****ing and moaning about an app that was advertised as a free app being suddenly converted to an annoying trial app without any warning.
the creator could have at least published a new app instead of trying to wipe out the free version.
i'm all for paid apps (although i'm in the Uk so i can't d/l them) but the way the Power Manager developer went about releasing was all wrong, and is going to make a lot less money because of it.
i would be glad to get the free side locker
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not really =/
people are *****ing and moaning about an app that was advertised as a free app being suddenly converted to an annoying trial app without any warning.
the creator could have at least published a new app instead of trying to wipe out the free version.
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I still don't get why you think he should have done that.
again: just because he offered the app free of charge for a period of time doesn't mean it is public domain. You guys make it sound like you OWN the app because it used to be free. maybe you should have read the license you clicked away when you opened the market app, hm?
its 100% his decision. he could also just pull the software and demand that it won't be distributed at all anymore, if he so desires.
there is a HUGE difference between not charging for something and owning the app.
There's a little difference I try to tell you:
The developer made an update which turns the app from free to trial.
So it's not like he makes a new better "power manager plus" or whatever and let the actual Power Manager for free... no, he makes the free power manager to power manager trial and offers a NEW app called "Power Manager" (wtf?), which costs money (doesn't absolutely matter how much).
Because "Power Manager Trial" is related to the old "Power Manager" (free) you are forced to do the update. You couldn't do the update, if it would cost 0.99$. No, he makes the update free for everybody and turned it to trial. It's a trap! This is a cheating way to market his app as good as possible and I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS!
That was the bad way... the good way is:
Let the app under the same name for free and don't develop on it anymore. Make a new app called "appname PLUS" (or whatever) and request money for it. The developer would be likeable for me and I would like to pay for it. It's so harmonic I would even pay for it without having new features.
I absolutely agree with the thread's name 'Don't Update "Power Manager"'.
Now the devs won't frighten me again and I hope everybody understands, why I don't pay for an app, when a dev tries to cheat on all the users, which were lovely using the (free) app.
Fair play at the Android Market!
I'm with Meltus and MacFloid on this 100% The old app should've remained free, and all development stopped on it, rather than a bait-and-switch. Now granted, it tells you that it is now a trial app, and you are not forced to update, but that does not make it any less disappointing. I'm all for paid apps, but keep the free apps free, and if you want to make money off that app, release a new, more advanced version, and charge for that... but don't trick your supporters into thinking the app is free, and then quickly throw in a trial period, possibly without them even realizing it. I wasn't happy with the way the dev for "Task Manager for Root Users" handled it either, but even that wasn't as bad as the dev for Power Manager. At least I noticed the trial period warning before I hit update...
-John
BTW... anyone happen to have an .apk of the old, free "Task Manager for Root Users" handy?
I agree that the way this was done was underhanded. This morning, when I first saw the update, the only new comment in the description was "3/6 UPDATE****." There was no mention of the change. It was a blatant trick to force his >250,000 downloads to pay him 99 cents in three days or else. I almost clicked update, until I noticed every comment had one star. Now that I checked it again (three hours later), he changed the description to say it's changing to a three day trial. I understand that it is his right to do this, but the fact remains that his original goal was to fool us into clicking update by not telling us it's a trial version. I will not support this dev because of his methods. How do I know that the $0.99 one won't eventually expire and I'll have to buy a $2.50 version now that I know his business tactics. There are plenty of other ways to convert your free app to a paid one. Task Manager for example. He simply removed the free version from the market and released Advanced Task Manager. He didn't try to forcibly remove the free one from my phone. I can respect this and I supported that dev by buying his app. He also could have left the free one alone and made a paid one with new features. I can think of a few new features off the top of my head. For example, DxTop allows apps to have widgets built in to them. He could make a widget pack built in to his new Power Manager. Options for power graphs and various toggle switches to be put right on the home screen. If something like this was added in I would reconsider buying it. My advice to this dev is either completely pull the free/trial version from the market and hope people have a short memory, or completely restore your free version and give the paid one some new innovation. You could even release updates to the free one that do nothing but add a one time pop up that advertise all the new features added to Power Manager Pro. That was the method that got me to pay for Discover Pro.
However I don't agree with people asking for the apk files of the free task manager and slide to unlock programs. Those programs were legitimacy pulled from the market and replaced with superior versions. You still should support the devs that put forth the effort and not blindly lash out at every dev that decides to start charging for their software.
After over one year of use I just wanted to write few lines about my impression of this PDA.
I travel a lot and I thought that a PDA could be helpful to keep in touch and do the IT chores while on the go. I was very wrong and I regret having bought the damn thing. The device tries to do many things but none of them well. In retrospective it sounded too good to be true.
At the beginning I did make a point of using it to its best potential but after a while I got so tired and annoyed with it that I have used it mostly like just any other phone.
I thought I would give myself some time to get accustomed to the complexity of the device before jumping to conclusions.
Over one year later and I still find it incredibly cumbersome and totally user unfriendly. The guys at HTC should go to Apple to get a crush course in making something user friendly.
Here are just a few things. The list is way longer but I would have to go back and try most functions to recall all the flaws.
- It's super slow. I am no super fast teenage geek but I am always waiting for the stupid thing to react to any command I give. It is very annoying and it's like stepping back to the time of the 286 PCs. The speed is archaic.
- The buttons controls are very difficult to feel with the touch and are very cumbersome to operate. Especially the side ones. I am sure that even blind people would have problems using them.
- Windows mobile is as bad as Microsoft gets. It's slow, counter intuitive, user unfriendly. Early Vista at the power of ten!
- Window media player is a joke. I have been using the PDA to listen to music in the car and it's a miracle I have not crashed while trying to select some music yet.
- The touch screen is also very bad and difficult to use. A lot of the commands are way too small for a man's finger. It is very difficult to select something on first attempt.
- To open a running program is difficult. One has to press the top right menu and than select what is running by touch only. The bar is about 4 mm high and it's very difficult to select using one hand. One cannot select by using the scroll bar and button.
- During phone calls the screen goes out quickly and to get it back one has to look for the hidden button on the side, very bad.
- Voice recognition sucks. Since the controls are so bad I now use the voice recognition most times. It's rare that the damn machine get it right on first attempt. Repeating the name twice helps but not always. I end up having to raise the tone as if I was yelling. Very embarrassing in public.
- The GPS take a long time to get the satellites even when the data has been updated.
- Active sync is a disaster. The guy that design it should be shot. I have given up on it altogether. I had to buy small software to access the data in the PDA and memory card.
Active sync could just not do the most elementary operation in a simple and straightforward way.
- The booting upon starting is the longest I have ever seen. Switching it off is also a chore
The list goes on but I am getting annoyed just to think about it all. This is the first and last product I’ll ever buy from HTC. Unless you are a geek that gets pleasure messing with IT devices do not buy it. Its use will take an unhealthy amount of your time. It will not help your life, it will waste a lot of your time and annoy you in the process.
Stay away from it!
My phone works perfect, it is a delight to use, does everything you mentioned above, great to reasonably well. It is fast, user friendly and I can't wait until I can upgrade to the TP II
My advice to you, since you are clueless, get the ipod that makes phone calls, it is built and over marketed especially for clueless people.
Agreed with denco7,
My HTC Kaiser (TyTn II) is also working fine. It is a great QVGA 2.8" phone!
ActiveSync works and simply works, I have never got any issue like you described.
GPS works, although TT7 is slower than TT6, but thats TT problem, not the phone.
I found Opera Mini works briliant with the D-Pad, which is much better than D-Pad-less phone. You know, press button to zoom, back to unzoom, scroll with D-Pad ... all one handed.
Screen goes out during call? Get a clue You knew this website, it should be the best resource.
My suggestion, dont use PDA Because it might be too complicated for you.
I like my TyTN II.
Maybe some of the things you think missed, you could configure them another way to get the most of the device. I think I'll never finish to get more and more from it. And I exhausted a P4350 before changing to the Kaiser.
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My phone works perfect, it is a delight to use, does everything you mentioned above, great to reasonably well. It is fast, user friendly and I can't wait until I can upgrade to the TP II
My advice to you, since you are clueless, get the ipod that makes phone calls, it is built and over marketed especially for clueless people.
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The PDA was also used by a friend of mine who is a blackberry user and talented software developer with many years of experience in IT. He did notice the same things and at times the thing did drive him crazy too.
My friend is also a guy that has switched to Linux long time ago. I have been too lazy and suffered in silence with MS crap but hopefully I will find the time to invest in changing for the better.
My friend impressions made me realize that I am not clueless as you say. In fact being a marine engineer I have dealt with equipment of all sorts for many years.
The PDA is designed by geeks for geeks. It is not a product for normal people. Anybody that buys this device has to spend many, many hours tying to sort it out and make it work better. I did that at the beginning and downloaded many fixes and upgrades. The very existance of this website and the number of people that use it is an indication that this PDA is not a product you switch on and just use. Very far from it.
I think you are like many people that after spending all that money don't want to admit that they got a lemon. The fact that you want to upgrade is a clear indication that you are not that satisfied with the gadget.
Just pick it up and slide the keyboard slightly. It takes 4.8 sec for the display to go from vertical to horizontal and back. If that is fast then you must be very slow.
Cheers
Yeah I also suggest you get an iphone. It's for people just like you.
No customization and power-user options, but your grandma can figure out the basic PDA functions.
TytnII has been great for me.
This is a negative and boring thread from the op! With some effort you can do a lot with the tytn2 as well as the tytn1! Very good devices!
I very much enjoy my Kaiser. I had some of the problems the OP had when I was running the AT&T stock ROM (with bloatware), but all that changed when I started using custom ROMs. The Kaiser is actually a very capable device, the only reason it underperforms is because it's hardware isn't fully taken advantage of (but even that's improving now). Once I flash a ROM and spend a whole 10 minutes customizing the device to how I like it, it runs like a dream.
OP: As the others have said in this thread, if you aren't willing to tweak the device, and customize the living crap out of it in order to get a faster Kaiser, maybe a feature phone or iPhone would be more suitable for you.
Dave
PS: (I have a 286, and it runs fine!)
I have a tytn, tytnII, titan, touch pro and a fuze. I must admit that every one of these devices were less than spectacular in the as-shipped form from the service provider. Thats why I found this site so I could make them all perform up to their hype.
Every one of them, thanks to the wonderful developers here, will outperform an iphown now. I have had very little problems like the OP described that were not simply fixed by changing a setting here or there. I like my tilt better than any of the others I have had (except the fuze.)
My 8525 (TyTn) works great and it has less power than the TyTnII. You can not get the most out of the phone unless you get rid of the stock OS. That's why XDA Devs rocks. Once the stock OS is gone - the phones rock!
mikechannon said:
This is the Kaiser forum. A forum dedicated to supporting Kaiser owners and providing answers to specific problems.
I'm sure you can see that this is not a supportive thread for TyTn II owners.
I'm not actually sure that expressing views about strongly disliking HTC and WM is a wise idea on a website dedicated to both those things.
However, and lest I be accused of wielding evil Moderator censorship powers, I will move this thread to off-topic. There it will take up its place accumulating wise and sensible contributions to the debate.
Mike
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Hi Mike,
It's not about being supportive or not. It's about giving a broad range of perspective so if tomorrow somebody wants to buy the device they can search for information and have a better idea of what they are getting into.
Unfortunately at the time I bought mine the information available was somehow biased towards people who think that is ok to spend 750 $ for a gadget that right away needs all sorts of non OEM twicks and upgrades to perform close to its marketing claims.
In any sector or product if one buys at the very top end of the price range should expect to end up with something that works well right away.
The TY TN II does not. HTC is a company with great potential but it should take a lot longer before releasing a product such this.
I belive that censorship does not help the people behind this site that are happy with the product either. My post is not off topic. They are first hand comments on the device from somebody that owns one, just like anybody else here.
Because of lack of unbiased information many people like me or even less prepared to mess with the device will buy it and up here nagging everyone else for help. Even for the silliest problems.
Let's be clear. This is a very niche product, HTC marketing pitch is misleading. It is not a piece of consumer goods suitable for the majority of people. It has to become a pet project for the buyer otherwise will not delivery to it's full potential.
I would suggest you put this thread in a very accessible location.
I am sorry if have hurt any TY TN II lovers
I suspect that a lot of people here see the device like their own baby.
Cheers
gogol said:
Agreed with denco7,
My HTC Kaiser (TyTn II) is also working fine. It is a great QVGA 2.8" phone!
ActiveSync works and simply works, I have never got any issue like you described.
GPS works, although TT7 is slower than TT6, but thats TT problem, not the phone.
I found Opera Mini works briliant with the D-Pad, which is much better than D-Pad-less phone. You know, press button to zoom, back to unzoom, scroll with D-Pad ... all one handed.
Screen goes out during call? Get a clue You knew this website, it should be the best resource.
My suggestion, dont use PDA Because it might be too complicated for you.
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I don't want to get this thread to go on and on. The purpose of my post is to just offer an alternative perspective on the PDA. Without it, anybody that stumbles on this site may be lead to think that it is a great PDA. Indeed it is for people that are willing, knowledgeable and happy to mess with it. I don't think that the majority of people fit that category.
I believe that most people when they spend top dollars expect to buy a piece of equipment that works at its best right out of the box. After all PDAs and many other gadgets should make life easier not more complicated. That is something often forgotten.
Your appreciation of Active Sync sounds very odd to my engineering mind always appreciating things that work in a simple and logic manner. I'll comment on this one because is one of my "favorite" about the device and MS.
How can Active Sync be good if you have to install it in every computer you have to exchange data with (actually you can only install it on 2 PCs only!!). That to me is totally counter intuitive, user unfriendly and simply stupid. I should be able to roam the world and exchange data with any PC and Macs by just plugging in without having to install anything. That's what happens with most other gadgets cameras etc. How is it possible that a 750 $ device cannot do such elementary thing out of the box. It's simply unbelievable and as I said very odd to see that there are so many people that are totally fine with it and actually like the feature.
The TY TN II and any top end PDAs also cater to people like me that travel extensively and to different countries. How such elementary need to exchange data in a simple way can be overseen???
If I had know that such basic feature was not available I would never have bought the thing. The problem is that this any many other points about the device are some kind of dirty secrets that are not been told and were not available when I was about to buy the device.
Luckily I found Softick Card Export and solved the problem of accessing the PDA with any computer as if it was an external hard drive. I recommend it.
But again, after I spent 750 $ I should not have to buy and install non OEM software to download a file to a friend computer.
Come on guys, MS does not even pay you! You are paying them!
mikechannon said:
Well yes in the interests of allowing different points of view, the thread has been kept, we are all entitled to a reasoned point of view.
However IMHO it is off-topic in the sense that keeping it in the TyTn II forum which is specifically to provide help for those who already have a TyTn II would be inappropriate. I did consider the General forum, but againthat is for those who already own an HTC phone and are seeking support perhaps for Windows Mobile issues.
So by elimination if nothing else "off-topic" was the choice. Those searching the likes of Google will still find it regardless of the forum it's in.
I still have my doubts that this is appropriate as a forum to choose for such a review/feedback because it can encourage flaming type posts. I'm sure you know what I mean - would you go to a Rolls Royce owners site to express your views about why they are not good cars? Maybe you would, but I think it would be better to choose a site that reviews different brands, rather than telling folk who already own the product that you think what they have is no good. I doubt folk trying to choose a product would consider a dedicated site to be an unbiased place to gather reliable reviews.
Mike
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Mike,
I happen to be one of those Rolls Royce owners (I wish!) that's why I think I should have a say on this site. My views are counter current that's all. I don't feel undermined here despite being a totally "visible minority". If people were to get inflamed about it then there is always the almighty moderator that should straighten things out.
I still think my post does not belong to the off topic section because I think the view of somebody like myself can be beneficial to the majority here. I know that this could be difficult to acknowledge for somebody.
On the wake of the recent purchase and proud of my shiny new device, in the first 6 months of ownership of the Ty TN II I was like most other people here, reading, downloading, twicking. After a while I realized that what I was doing was going against the very reason I bought the device in the first place which was make my life easier and make me save time.
At that point and tired of the constant work that the machine demanded I gave up on it. I bought a new laptop and used the PDA like a phone and navigator only.
If I had found posts like mine before I would have made my natural progression earlier and I would have saved myself a lot of time and headaches.
I am sure there are other people in that position and they should be able to benefit from opinions like mine without having to Google them. To the hard core PDArers it should make no difference. I understand there is a pleasure in molding a machine to you own specification. I respect that; years ago I would have kept on doing it.
I hope you understand my plea and thanks for your work. I and many others did benefit from this great site.
Unfortunately I don't think that I can ethically contribute to the HTC or MS cause in a positive way. The fact that they created the need for a site like this is totally unacceptable.
I believe that it is wrong to offer volunteer work to greedy corporations that totally don't give a damn about their customer base. HTC and MS are clear examples.
I wish the talented work of people like XDA-developers will go towards developing software and service for no profit organizations and not to patch up the shortcomings and disservice of these corporations.
Bill Gates has become a philanthropist to wash his sins. I hope his example will be followed by all the other big fish in the corporate world.
Cheers
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I don't want to get this thread to go on and on. The purpose of my post is to just offer an alternative perspective on the PDA. Without it, anybody that stumbles on this site may be lead to think that it is a great PDA. Indeed it is for people that are willing, knowledgeable and happy to mess with it. I don't think that the majority of people fit that category.
I believe that most people when they spend top dollars expect to buy a piece of equipment that works at its best right out of the box. After all PDAs and many other gadgets should make life easier not more complicated. That is something often forgotten.
Your appreciation of Active Sync sounds very odd to my engineering mind always appreciating things that work in a simple and logic manner. I'll comment on this one because is one of my "favorite" about the device and MS.
How can Active Sync be good if you have to install it in every computer you have to exchange data with (actually you can only install it on 2 PCs only!!). That to me is totally counter intuitive, user unfriendly and simply stupid. I should be able to roam the world and exchange data with any PC and Macs by just plugging in without having to install anything. That's what happens with most other gadgets cameras etc. How is it possible that a 750 $ device cannot do such elementary thing out of the box. It's simply unbelievable and as I said very odd to see that there are so many people that are totally fine with it and actually like the feature.
The TY TN II and any top end PDAs also cater to people like me that travel extensively and to different countries. How such elementary need to exchange data in a simple way can be overseen???
If I had know that such basic feature was not available I would never have bought the thing. The problem is that this any many other points about the device are some kind of dirty secrets that are not been told and were not available when I was about to buy the device.
Luckily I found Softick Card Export and solved the problem of accessing the PDA with any computer as if it was an external hard drive. I recommend it.
But again, after I spent 750 $ I should not have to buy and install non OEM software to download a file to a friend computer.
Come on guys, MS does not even pay you! You are paying them!
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So, you're saying that with any other phone you can just connect it to a PC and transfer all the data on the fly? Well, with nokias you can't, you have to install the huge nokia pc suite. At least active sync is only a few megs, so even with a slow connection you can still get it fast. And, i still think active sync is the best or at least the simplest way to synchronize contacts / appointments / notes and emails.
If you want to exchange files i would advice to forget active sync, use a micro sd card reader, it's much simpler and faster.
About your first post, i understand your frustration, but everyone here will tell you, including me, that any windows mobile device is way more powerfull than any nokia, iphone or blackberry. But even with those you still have to know how to use them.
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So, you're saying that with any other phone you can just connect it to a PC and transfer all the data on the fly? Well, with nokias you can't, you have to install the huge nokia pc suite. At least active sync is only a few megs, so even with a slow connection you can still get it fast. And, i still think active sync is the best or at least the simplest way to synchronize contacts / appointments / notes and emails.
If you want to exchange files i would advice to forget active sync, use a micro sd card reader, it's much simpler and faster.
About your first post, i understand your frustration, but everyone here will tell you, including me, that any windows mobile device is way more powerfull than any nokia, iphone or blackberry. But even with those you still have to know how to use them.
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In this day and age am I too demanding to expect to be able to read and exchange data with my PDA and any computer? The fact that the very little Softick card export software does it very easily shows that I am not asking much. There are no technological hurdles whatsoever. Why having to complicate things, switching off the device, pulling cards on and off, maybe damaging something in the process.
It is one of the features I needed right away and I don't think I am alone there. It should not take a great deal of imagination or creativity to figure this out. What are the HTC or MS designers been thinking?
I just don't see any good reasons for the lack of such basic features. The only reason I see is corporate greed that calls for gadgets and software that don't quite work so people keep on buying new ones.
We are a bunch of consumer cows being milked, I am afraid that's the sad reality.
The fact the the potential of a MS based PDA is greater than the competition does not make me feel any better. However, thanks for trying to help and for the kind words
olliric said:
In this day and age am I too demanding to expect to be able to read and exchange data with my PDA and any computer? The fact that the very little Softick card export software does it very easily shows that I am not asking much. There are no technological hurdles whatsoever. Why having to complicate things, switching off the device, pulling cards on and off, maybe damaging something in the process.
It is one of the features I needed right away and I don't think I am alone there. It should not take a great deal of imagination or creativity to figure this out. What are the HTC or MS designers been thinking?
I just don't see any good reasons for the lack of such basic features. The only reason I see is corporate greed that calls for gadgets and software that don't quite work so people keep on buying new ones.
We are a bunch of consumer cows being milked, I am afraid that's the sad reality.
The fact the the potential of a MS based PDA is greater than the competition does not make me feel any better. However, thanks for trying to help and for the kind words
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I prefer to think that technology is being developed, rather than big companies are just "milking us". Every new product is an evolution from something done before, not only with technology, but with everything manufactured in the capitalist markets we live in.
Basically, i think we have two choices: ware out our equipment untill we really need a new one (in case of a mobile phone for me i would say that it's about 3 years), or sell our semi-new equipment and buy a new one every year or so. I usually choose the first one, but i'm not always sure that it is the cheapest.
About speed, I know that the tytn II's are far from being the best phone HTC made, heck, my old magician (qtek s110) was way faster. But it didn't have to deal with gps, wifi, 3G, HSDPA, hardware keyboard, etc. They're only three years apart from each other, and look at the differences!
I actually agree with you that the kaiser is slow for a 2007 PDA, but it can do a lot. So, like everyone else in this forum, i've been reading, and trying, and failing, and trying again. The best Rom i've tried is shifu's v8, i do like it a lot. And the advantage of WM is that you can really do everything you want to change the look and the way you interact with your phone, and there are thousands of programs to do whatever you need your phone to do.
There's so many software out there, that it is hard to get to the best one for you. Some prefer SPB Mobile Shell3, i prefer Manila 2D. There's also the new Titanium in WM 6.5, PointUI, Throttle Launcher.... I compare this situation to the photography industry: there are hundreds of camera models, most of them give very similar image quality for the same price, but if you visit photography forums you'll find people that just can't get used to a certain model of a certain brand, and normally for reasons you wouldn't even think of.
That doesn't turn that model into a lemon, but usually makes it more special to the ones that actually like it.
So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
Just trying to help, as i don't consider myself a geek, but i do prefer windows mobile over symbian.
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So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
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Actually yes the BBs do USB File transfer when plugged into a PC with nothing extra installed. You get prompted on the device to enable Mass Storage Mode.
jaugusto said:
I prefer to think that technology is being developed, rather than big companies are just "milking us". Every new product is an evolution from something done before, not only with technology, but with everything manufactured in the capitalist markets we live in.
Basically, i think we have two choices: ware out our equipment untill we really need a new one (in case of a mobile phone for me i would say that it's about 3 years), or sell our semi-new equipment and buy a new one every year or so. I usually choose the first one, but i'm not always sure that it is the cheapest.
About speed, I know that the tytn II's are far from being the best phone HTC made, heck, my old magician (qtek s110) was way faster. But it didn't have to deal with gps, wifi, 3G, HSDPA, hardware keyboard, etc. They're only three years apart from each other, and look at the differences!
I actually agree with you that the kaiser is slow for a 2007 PDA, but it can do a lot. So, like everyone else in this forum, i've been reading, and trying, and failing, and trying again. The best Rom i've tried is shifu's v8, i do like it a lot. And the advantage of WM is that you can really do everything you want to change the look and the way you interact with your phone, and there are thousands of programs to do whatever you need your phone to do.
There's so many software out there, that it is hard to get to the best one for you. Some prefer SPB Mobile Shell3, i prefer Manila 2D. There's also the new Titanium in WM 6.5, PointUI, Throttle Launcher.... I compare this situation to the photography industry: there are hundreds of camera models, most of them give very similar image quality for the same price, but if you visit photography forums you'll find people that just can't get used to a certain model of a certain brand, and normally for reasons you wouldn't even think of.
That doesn't turn that model into a lemon, but usually makes it more special to the ones that actually like it.
So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
Just trying to help, as i don't consider myself a geek, but i do prefer windows mobile over symbian.
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I think corporations do plan to make every gadget quickly outdated. Hardware and software companies help each other in that regard. Software is designed to require more and more computing power even though is often not necessary. We could be a lot farther ahead after 20 years of consumer computers. MS is probably the main cause of this troubled development and we are still stuck with it. Window mobile may be better than others but is still very far from being good. That was also the idea of a MS project manager friend of mine who eventually left Seattle and MS. I remember venting my frustration with him and he had no excuse to offer.
I did do ROM upgrades early on but then I had to remove them after developing other problems. If one day I run into somebody that will do it for me I may give them another try. I just had it with this PDA I don't to waste anymore time.
I have a lot of other things in my life and I just don't want to spend time on something that should save me time. It just does not make any sense to me.
When this PDA will crap out I'll be very careful of what I may buy. I think I have learned the lesson. The only thing that I have appreciated is the navigator which is neither HTC or MS. I travel a lot so I keep the bastard only for that. I have to bear the bulk and weight of it for navigation and the occasional email.
I don't know if there are PDAs that can be used like a USB pen. I really hope so. It is such a simple thing, if there aren't any then it's really bad out there.
Thanks for your help
Cheers
I agree with everything you posted originally. Although, it's not HTC's fault as much as it is Microsoft's. I happen to love the G1
I've had a tilt for a year now and, while flashing ROMs does make it bearable, Windows Mobile just sucks in general imo.
mbarvian said:
I agree with everything you posted originally. Although, it's not HTC's fault as much as it is Microsoft's. I happen to love the G1
I've had a tilt for a year now and, while flashing ROMs does make it bearable, Windows Mobile just sucks in general imo.
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Great to hear that I am not the only unhappy here. Actually I believe there are a lot more but they don't want to admit it.
So you guys de-lurk yourself and get it off your chest. You'll feel better. After all we just bought the PDA, we did not do anything terrible. There wasn't much choice anyway. If I made it or the OS then I would feel really bad about myself.
Cheers