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Samsung gets Galaxy phone on all 4 carriers... WTF Google why not the N1?!

Just saw on Engadget how Samsung accomplished the goal that Google failed at: Getting its Galaxy phone line on all 4 carriers
Why again didnt Google just play nice and be flexible to the carriers demands?
Why not allow Verizon and Sprint to have a little control over their versions of the N1 in order to ensure the N1 becomes a national success?
If Samsung can accomplish this, why couldnt Google?
Seems like such a waste of a perfect opportunity
Verizon ropes in Samsung Fascinate, US Cellular gets a Galaxy S too -- Engadget

Because the entire point of the Nexus One was to prove that customers wanted a phone that was not bound by "carrier demands" thats why all the Droids have the pay for tethering, while the Nexus One supports it freely.

Why not just be flexible?
Let the T-Mobile and Att versions be completely free of carrier control and be flexible with the Verizon/Sprint versions. I'd much rather have a non-tethering N1 on Sprint and Verizon as options than nothing at all...
If Samsung could do it, why not Google?

Because each version of the Galaxy is a totally different version, because this carrier didnt like this option on the phone, they took it out and renamed the phone. There are 4 versions of this phone each one less of a total package then the one before it. The Nexus One didn't want to be "flexible" it wanted to be allowed at the party as it designed to be. Plus the Nexus One was originally planned to be on Sprint and Version, it was the carriers who then dropped support for it. Also i was just throwing tehtering out there as an example there are many other things that the Nexus One can do that other phones have had stripped because of carrier control.

Those phones are gonna be hindered by carrier approval for updates.
The main thing that will be gimped is the native tethering option of android.
Samsung is in the game for $$$ with a guaranteed business plan.
Google was attempting to change the typical business plan. It was always an gamble.

Blueman101 said:
Because each version of the Galaxy is a totally different version, because this carrier didnt like this option on the phone, they took it out and renamed the phone. There are 4 versions of this phone each one less of a total package then the one before it. The Nexus One didn't want to be "flexible" it wanted to be allowed at the party as it designed to be. Plus the Nexus One was originally planned to be on Sprint and Version, it was the carriers who then dropped support for it. Also i was just throwing tehtering out there as an example there are many other things that the Nexus One can do that other phones have had stripped because of carrier control.
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Verizon publicly came out and said they wanted the nexus but it was Google that did not come thru for unknown reasons. Who are we to believe, I agree I don't trust any of them. But its definitely weird that Verizon went on record saying that. Why would they lie? And the next question is if that was the truth, why would Google have backed out?

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Verizon publicly came out and said they wanted the nexus but it was Google that did not come thru for unknown reasons. Who are we to believe, I agree I don't trust any of them. But its definitely weird that Verizon went on record saying that. Why would they lie? And the next question is if that was the truth, why would Google have backed out?
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Thats true, no one really knows who was at fault. Google isnt know for their Dev phones coming to CDMA. Its also possible that Google turned it down when the CDMA carriers refused to offer the Nexus One full freedom.

ap3604 said:
Just saw on Engadget how Samsung accomplished the goal that Google failed at: Getting its Galaxy phone line on all 4 carriers
Why again didnt Google just play nice and be flexible to the carriers demands?
Why not allow Verizon and Sprint to have a little control over their versions of the N1 in order to ensure the N1 becomes a national success?
If Samsung can accomplish this, why couldnt Google?
Seems like such a waste of a perfect opportunity
Samsung is not the first! The touch pro 2s for example existed on all 4 networks!
Verizon ropes in Samsung Fascinate, US Cellular gets a Galaxy S too -- Engadget
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Most of the normal customers will have no idea the phones are related directly. They are all a little different and have different names. Each carrier has say with software unlike the n1. That means no tethering etc. I dont see why US carries like to cripple phones and brand them... I get that they want their own image or to not look like just a network provider but customized phones blow... My htc pure has no front facing cam and all the td2s tp2s needed different skins/cases and that also means more expensive repairs and ****. Carriers around the world just stamp their logo and inject some crapware (sometimes) and leave everything else the same!

JCopernicus said:
Those phones are gonna be hindered by carrier approval for updates.
The main thing that will be gimped is the native tethering option of android.
Samsung is in the game for $$$ with a guaranteed business plan.
Google was attempting to change the typical business plan. It was always an gamble.
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Maybe someone will figure how to make a vanilla android rom for it.

I think the problem with the N1 is that the only carrier that subsidized it is T-Mobile. The two largest carriers are At&t and Verizon. Verizon doesn't carry it. For At&t, how many ppl are gonna shell out $529 for a phone, when you can get an iphone for like $199. All of us in this forum would, but for others it's too big of a difference.

well especially these days with this economy, $530 is a lot to swallow.

When did "US Cellular" become one of "the 4" carriers??? They're #7 according to here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Americas#United_States

Verizon got the HTC Desire
Sprint got the HTC EVO
If they got those phones, why would they want the N1 for? Those HTC phones are, in the carrier's eyes, better than the N1 and they aren't restricted to the plans that Google made T-Mobile customers switch over to in order to get the N1 for a lower price.
If those two phones came to Tmobile, I wouldn't have a N1 to be honest.

Blueman101 said:
well especially these days with this economy, $530 is a lot to swallow.
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Quite ironically that's only true in western developed countries. And the major reason is that people are just too dependent on the whole contract and credit system. In India, we always pay for unlocked phone. There are no contracts. Therefore if we buy a smartphone we know what we are buying and how much that is worth. And in return we get cheap phone service (2 cents per minute). US carriers will give you "free" cheap phone and then charge you $45 for 450 minutes. That is $36 extra per month or $864 extra for the two year contract period.
$530 for a phone seems to be a reasonable price for us... even if we are still a developing country.

This is just the announcement right? In mid March 2010, Sprint and Verizon announced they were getting the N1, until they changed their mind. Like you guys said earlier something about the "Evo" and the "Moto shadow". Shadow is pretty sweet, 4.3 inch display plus QWERTY!
Wikipedia that **** "nexus one"

arkavat said:
Quite ironically that's only true in western developed countries. And the major reason is that people are just too dependent on the whole contract and credit system. In India, we always pay for unlocked phone. Their are no contracts. Therefore if we buy a smartphone we know what we are buying and how much that is worth. And in return we get cheap phone service (2 cents per minute). US carriers will give you "free" cheap phone and then charge you $45 for 450 minutes. That is $36 extra per month or $864 extra for the two year contract period.
$530 for a phone seems to be a reasonable price for us... even if we are still a developing country.
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Excellent point. I much prefer that system to ours.
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let me finance that sammich for you ...
Blueman101 said:
well especially these days with this economy, $530 is a lot to swallow.
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$530 is too much? ok buy a g1 for 279. or a flip phone for 35 at a pawn shop. remember, this is something you OWN, not something that you lease with heavily financed contracts and etc s to mess with.
a potato chip is rediculously expensive if you compare it to the price of potatoes. cmon, find a logical argument folks or would you rather a company NOT profit, fail and leave you with no. support?

ohgood said:
$530 is too much? ok buy a g1 for 279. or a flip phone for 35 at a pawn shop. remember, this is something you OWN, not something that you lease with heavily financed contracts and etc s to mess with.
a potato chip is rediculously expensive if you compare it to the price of potatoes. cmon, find a logical argument folks or would you rather a company NOT profit, fail and leave you with no. support?
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I think you missed his point a bit.
Google was attempting to do a few things with the N1. First, they wanted to offer a completely raw phone, free of all carrier branding and bloatware and crippling. To do so meant selling it themselves, or in stores like Best Buy or whatever. This would push the second item: showing those in the states how a lot of other countries operate, buying unlocked phones without a carrier subsidy and contract. I love this idea. Both ideas.
However, the timing was rather unfortunate. $530 in this economy is rough for a lot of people. Doesn't mean the idea is horrible, doesn't mean anyone is blaming Google. It simply means that there are a lot of people that won't buy the N1 (or any brand new completely unlocked phone) right now because of the economy. I personally have several friends that love my N1. They wish they could buy one but are either unemployed or under-employed (took jobs making much less than they're used to, simply to get a check coming in).
I love Google's approach on this. I think it's great that they (supposedly) told Verizon and Sprint go suck an egg, and that the N1 was not to be messed with. This is my first truly unlocked, unbranded phone and I don't think I'll ever go back to buying them from the carrier.

Plain and simple most carriers were not thrilled with the idea of a totally unbranded/un-carrier approved handset being activated on their network.
With the GSM variant, there is little that any carrier can do, but CDMA is a different animal and I am really not surprised that VZW/SPRINT said heck no.
Dan

arkavat said:
Quite ironically that's only true in western developed countries. And the major reason is that people are just too dependent on the whole contract and credit system. In India, we always pay for unlocked phone. There are no contracts. Therefore if we buy a smartphone we know what we are buying and how much that is worth. And in return we get cheap phone service (2 cents per minute). US carriers will give you "free" cheap phone and then charge you $45 for 450 minutes. That is $36 extra per month or $864 extra for the two year contract period.
$530 for a phone seems to be a reasonable price for us... even if we are still a developing country.
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Same as in the UK, I have a cheap sim-only with unlimited data and just buy phones unlocked sim-free (no carrier restrictions) from the hundreds of stores (Play, Amazon etc). The money I save over the normal 18 months is enough to buy a Nexus One and have money left over.
But still some people in UK see the 'free phone' and sign up to a stupid long-term contract.

incredible s price discussion

I found the incredible s on sale for a very unrealistic low price of $326 with free shipping at an online store called chinasprint. I can't post a link because of my new poster status
Anyone can confirm this is real or a scam?
Whats the lowest price you guys have seen from a reputable source, including shipping?

sdxda said:
I found the incredible s on sale for a very unrealistic low price of $326 with free shipping at an online store called chinasprint. I can't post a link because of my new poster status
Anyone can confirm this is real or a scam?
Whats the lowest price you guys have seen from a reputable source, including shipping?
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Got mine for £370 on eBay from Hong Kong, including shipping. Did see it cheaper elsewhere but chose a shop with a decent reputation. Would always rather pay a bit more than risk getting burned. Although if you buy with a credit card you should be protected from scams anyway.

if you did a simple google search, you will know its a scam website.

I got mine from popularelect.com, it was $549 USD with free shipping.

carolinaguy99 said:
I got mine from popularelect.com, it was $549 USD with free shipping.
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does your version of the Inc S support the 850/1900 (At&T) 3G in the US? the only one i've seen that does is the Canadian (BELL) version.
EDIT: Just read your post in another forum; your version supports T-Mobile 3G? Correct? Thanks!

No, it is a UK model phone and only supports 900/AWS/2100 for 3G. I am using it on T-Mobile and must say, I like it alot.

carolinaguy99 said:
No, it is a UK model phone and only supports 900/AWS/2100 for 3G. I am using it on T-Mobile and must say, I like it alot.
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appreciate your quick reply to my question. to clarify, your phone is able to use T-Mobile USA's hspa network? i'm considering the Inc S and contemplating a switch to T-Mobile if the pricing and hspa coverage is suitable for my needs.

cortez.i said:
appreciate your quick reply to my question. to clarify, your phone is able to use T-Mobile USA's hspa network? i'm considering the Inc S and contemplating a switch to T-Mobile if the pricing and hspa coverage is suitable for my needs.
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It uses HSPA yes, not HSPA+ that I'm aware of, My wife's G2 is HSPA+ and I consistently throughout the day have slightly faster speeds than her G2 according to speed test. Bear in mind, im also using it with the $5.00 unlimited web2go, being an import T-mo doesn't know the IMEI and can't distinguish it from a dumbphone.

Anyone else find this phone $450-500?
I am looking for a replacement for my aging Nexus One.
I am hoping prices will decrease on Ebay since Verizon is releasing a similar dual CDMA/GSM model; Incredible II

Can someone post some trustworthy website where you buy yours? I am wanna keep my tzone so i am returning the G2x and get this phone.
also, do all versions of this phone works on t-mobile usa's HSPA network? how many versions of this phone are there?

coldest~~~ said:
Can someone post some trustworthy website where you buy yours? I am wanna keep my tzone so i am returning the G2x and get this phone.
also, do all versions of this phone works on t-mobile usa's HSPA network? how many versions of this phone are there?
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I got mine from ebay. I bought it from 38mobile on ebay. Just check their feedback. I think that's best. 38mobile was quick. Ordered on monday, got it on thursday.
you have to get the model S710E for it to work on Tmobile 3G.

i am also waiting to buy this phone, and thinking if the release of the Incredible 2 gsm+cdma will alter the pricing of this phone.
One question i have is, would it be better to buy the unlocked unbranded S710e over an unlocked droid incredible 2 (pretty sure both have 3G 2100 bands i need).

ashman3000 said:
i am also waiting to buy this phone, and thinking if the release of the Incredible 2 gsm+cdma will alter the pricing of this phone.
One question i have is, would it be better to buy the unlocked unbranded S710e over an unlocked droid incredible 2 (pretty sure both have 3G 2100 bands i need).
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The Verizon model will likely be more crippled than an unlocked model.

Das_mobile said:
The Verizon model will likely be more crippled than an unlocked model.
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Will the Verizon model have a sim slot and T-Mobile 's AWS band?
Sent from HTC HD2 with Android

coldest~~~ said:
Will the Verizon model have a sim slot and T-Mobile 's AWS band?
Sent from HTC HD2 with Android
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Yea itll have the slot but it will have 3G support in other countries other than ours

carolinaguy99 said:
I got mine from popularelect.com, it was $549 USD with free shipping.
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can anyone who got their phone from popularelect tell me if it was S-on or S-off? I'd like to buy this phone, but I am waiting for a software solution to S-off since I want to develop apps and need root access.

I also decided to buy the phone, but after finding that the price of the sensation is going to be $500, it doesnt make sense to me to pay more than $500 on the incredible. At that price, i would rather just get the sensation.. i dont see the point here
All prices on ebay from a trustworthy sellers are atleast $530. Also on Handtec.UK the price is above $550 and Clove is the same. As i live in the middle east, i need a place that ships worldwide and accepts paypal
Should i just wait for the sensation to come out and maybe the price will drop?

mazinya said:
I also decided to buy the phone, but after finding that the price of the sensation is going to be $500, it doesnt make sense to me to pay more than $500 on the incredible. At that price, i would rather just get the sensation.. i dont see the point here
All prices on ebay from a trustworthy sellers are atleast $530. Also on Handtec.UK the price is above $550 and Clove is the same. As i live in the middle east, i need a place that ships worldwide and accepts paypal
Should i just wait for the sensation to come out and maybe the price will drop?
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Who said the price of the sensation is $500, are you kidding me, it's 599 pounds in the UK, that's about nearly a grand in dollars, I aint saying its gonna be a grand here, but its not gonna be selling for $500. I highly doubt you gonna see the sensation for $500 here in the US, show me the proof!

I have no proof, but thats what ppl say on the sensation forum, that non subsidized price is going to be $499 and subsidized is going to be $199

Portuguese Fnac (www.fnac.pt) will have in the next 2 days for 550,00 EUR but the funny thing is that you could get a Desire HD for 500,00 EUR...what would you do ?

[Q] Buy unlocked phone @ Miami

I'll be travelling to Miami in about a month or so and I'm interested in buyig an unlocked phone there. In Argentina, where I live they're much costier. Have in mind 3g bands here are as ATT's and that my budget is around $400. I was considering an OG Atrix, but where could I buy it? Do you guys think it's a good choice? I'll apreciate recommendations.
Thanks in advance, and sorry for my english, I'm working on it.

Franno said:
I'll be travelling to Miami in about a month or so and I'm interested in buyig an unlocked phone there. In Argentina, where I live they're much costier. Have in mind 3g bands here are as ATT's and that my budget is around $400. I was considering an OG Atrix, but where could I buy it? Do you guys think it's a good choice? I'll apreciate recommendations.
Thanks in advance, and sorry for my english, I'm working on it.
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Reason you never got a reply, needed to be in Marketplace -> Wanting To Buy

Debel said:
Reason you never got a reply, needed to be in Marketplace -> Wanting To Buy
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First of all, make your sig smaller. Second of all he's not saying he wants to buy here, he just wants info.
As to the OP, you can try small independent cell phone shops, or check craigslist.org once you are here. Many people sell used stuff, and for phones, they usually unlock them. Best of luck and have fun in Miami.

[Q] Lumia 521 metropcs & t-mobile differences?

I currently want to try windows phone 8 because I'm a bit tired of android and I would like a smaller device while it looks like all the top android phones are going 5+ inches.
So I found out that metropcs has the Lumia 521 for $99 but I'm on T-Mobile. I searched online without finding any info so I'm asking you (the experts), will this version of the 521 work on Tmo? Are the two hardware the same?
Cheers to whoever answers me
By the way sorry for posting this here, I can't think of a better section on the forum.

Believe it or not, the "Q&A" section of the WP8 forum is actually the correct place for questions about WP8... It's OK though, I'm sure you searched really hard, but you couldn't really be expected to find it. After all, the link must be at *least* 12 pixels from the one for this sub-forum... (Sorry, not normally this snarky, but... really?)
A *very* quick online search showed that T-Mobile owns what was formerly a separate company called MetroPCS, and that MPCS has been using TMoUS's GSM/LTE network since June (they were formerly a CDMA provider, which would not have worked, so it was good to check). Seriously through, basic search, click the Wikipedia link, read the one-line section under "Network Coverage" if the rest of the page was TL;DR for you. It's vaguely possible that the phone will be SIM-locked and you'll need to unlock it to use TMo's network instead of MetroPCS', but I'm honestly not even sure if there's a difference (if there is. it's probably in things like roaming coverage and the like).
Oh, by the way, the Lumia 52x line is one of the lowest-end sets of WP8 devices. It's a great budget smartphone, but it's not going to compete with the high-end Android phones you seem to have been comparing it to.

GoodDayToDie said:
Believe it or not, the "Q&A" section of the WP8 forum is actually the correct place for questions about WP8... It's OK though, I'm sure you searched really hard, but you couldn't really be expected to find it. After all, the link must be at *least* 12 pixels from the one for this sub-forum... (Sorry, not normally this snarky, but... really?)
A *very* quick online search showed that T-Mobile owns what was formerly a separate company called MetroPCS, and that MPCS has been using TMoUS's GSM/LTE network since June (they were formerly a CDMA provider, which would not have worked, so it was good to check). Seriously through, basic search, click the Wikipedia link, read the one-line section under "Network Coverage" if the rest of the page was TL;DR for you. It's vaguely possible that the phone will be SIM-locked and you'll need to unlock it to use TMo's network instead of MetroPCS', but I'm honestly not even sure if there's a difference (if there is. it's probably in things like roaming coverage and the like).
Oh, by the way, the Lumia 52x line is one of the lowest-end sets of WP8 devices. It's a great budget smartphone, but it's not going to compete with the high-end Android phones you seem to have been comparing it to.
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Thanks, you appeased my insecurities.
I wasn't comparing it, I'm just noticing small android phones have very modest hardware and I know android gives a very miserable experience on it. So maybe another OS does better.
Extra question: If it bothered you so much why did you help me? :silly:

From what I can see from the firmware releases, it's almost identical except the file sizes is smaller for Metro version.
I would not advise buying a Metro PCS one if you are using T-Mobile because the phone could be SIM Locked. There aren't cheap ways to get it unlocked liked the 520
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killer23d said:
From what I can see from the firmware releases, it's almost identical except the file sizes is smaller for Metro version.
I would not advise buying a Metro PCS one if you are using T-Mobile because the phone could be SIM Locked. There aren't cheap ways to get it unlocked liked the 520
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I just did a whole lot of reading on metro pcs. It will be locked to metro and they don't like to unlock easily. You could buy an unlock code from one of the online services. I heard they go as much as $40. Also, you can't sim swap- the phones need to be pared to their sim. To change phones you have to go to the store and have them change it :*( Their plans are $10 cheaper, but really inconvenient.
I have some really good android phones- Gnex- note 1, and I really love this lumia 521. Totally different, but really nice to learn and use.

If your on t-mobile its like 60 bucks to get one going, no need to fuss with unlocked statues etc.
for the challenged - http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/nokia-lumia-521.html

Nicolfa said:
If your on t-mobile its like 60 bucks to get one going, no need to fuss with unlocked statues etc.
for the challenged - http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/nokia-lumia-521.html
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You can also do the $30 prepaid plan- but to get it unlocked you need 2 months of service or $50 in refils. Same for PAYG. Shorter unlock time on the prepaid plans but you need the $50 refils. Just make sure if you are sim swapping you call tmo and have the lumia added to your account as the user phone- imei needs to be official.

[Q] Moving to from Sweden to Santa Monica, CA, what carrier?

Hi!
First off, I didn't know where this belongs, so I'm sorry in advance if this is the wrong part of the forum.
My wife and I are moving to Santa Monica in August, and one of my biggest struggles right now is figuring out what American carrier to go with (yep, this is MY issue to handle, since I'm the phonegeek in the family). I'll start off with telling you what we're used to here in Sweden, and I hope you can help us pick a carrier and maybe even a plan that will fit our usage after the big move.
We always buy our phones unlocked from electronics stores, ALWAYS. I'm currently using the OnePlus One which should be working fine in the U.S., but I am planning on getting an LG G4 in a few months. Wifey's got an iPhone 5S (European version, guessing she'll have to replace it in order to use 4G/LTE IB the U.S?) I suppose it depends on what carrier we choose, but if signing up for a plan and getting the phone along with it is a better option than cashing it we're of course willing to do so (I have absolutely no idea how this stuff works in America, as you might've understood by now...).
We're currently using Telenor, on a shared family plan. The cost for this is roughly $85 a month. It includes a shared 24GB of data, unlimited calls and unlimited texts. To be honest, this is way beyond what we ever use, so cutting the data amount in half should be no problem at all. We don't text or call that much either, but it's nice to have the ability to do so if needed.
From what I understand, Verizon locks their phones down tight. Locked bootloaders, SIM locked and whatnot. If this really is the case Verizon really isn't a viable option considering the fact that I'm an avid flasher of roms. My wife doesn't really care much about that stuff though, she's all iPhone all the way.
Any advice, thought or opinion is welcome and highly appreciated!

UPS or Fedex
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Tmobile. I hate verizon for the same reasons. But, I've heard people in that part of Cali say it's got good service.
But, if no verizon. Then tmobile
And, yes verizon does that.

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Tmobile. I hate verizon for the same reasons. But, I've heard people in that part of Cali say it's got good service.
But, if no verizon. Then tmobile
And, yes verizon does that.
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Thanks for the reply! I've read good stuff about T-Mobile so I think that's what I'll go with. Apparently I'll get 4G with a European LG G4 with them aswell so that suits me great.