Alright, I've been really upset with the performance of the video camera & playback on my Tilt. In desperation I installed an HTC Application for the Apache which allows you to overclock to 520 or 624. I've been playing with this for a full 10 days now & have to say that aty the 520mhz video is bettyer than bearable, I've had no freezes & my battery draw is roughly the same as before I installed HTC Performance. This does not scale with steps like other over/under-clocking programs, so I just activate it when I need video cam or with TCPMP. It's working Great for me.
The original OEM app it was extracted from has helmi's name on it. I can't figure out what it does, but there is a significant diference for me when running at 520mhz especially in Video Cam mode.
If you want it, get it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/72529266/HTC_Performance__with_shortcut_.cab
GSLEON3 said:
Alright, I've been really upset with the performance of the video camera & playback on my Tilt. In desperation I installed an HTC Application for the Apache which allows you to overclock to 520 or 624. I've been playing with this for a full 10 days now & have to say that aty the 520mhz video is bettyer than bearable, I've had no freezes & my battery draw is roughly the same as before I installed HTC Performance. This does not scale with steps like other over/under-clocking programs, so I just activate it when I need video cam or with TCPMP. It's working Great for me.
The original OEM app it was extracted from has helmi's name on it. I can't figure out what it does, but there is a significant diference for me when running at 520mhz especially in Video Cam mode.
If you want it, get it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/72529266/HTC_Performance__with_shortcut_.cab
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I installed - I enabled - I checked my Device Info (still 400). I ran sk benchmark with it on and off and results almost exactly the same. On what are you basing your info?
Tried it here to, doesn't seem to do anything for me either
sugar pill
I tried it too and noticed no difference LOL, I think its one of those times when someone thinks there running faster due to there special shoes
what's really interesting is that this program isn't even working writing the registry entries correctly. Under HKLM/Software/HTC/ this app writes a key called HTC_Misc. In that key are 2 sub-keys regarding the overclock. With the option to overclock turned off in the application, if you look at the registry you'll find that the ovefclocking is turned on. When you select 500mhz it turns off the overclocking registry. If you set it to 624 mhz, the keys are both set to 1 (on). I think this app needs some more work as it's not working correctly.
Maybe it's a sugar pill...
Yeah, I know fast shoes & all that. The funny thing is that almost all the Apache users found that the benchmarks were simillar to not using this app. but the majority of them also said that their unit was much more responsive. If it's a Placebo effect, it's a good one & I'll take it because my video cam actually captures things that are moving now, not just a blur. I'll reset & see if Tracker picks up any other changes anywhere else in the registry.
As far as what I'm currently basing my oppinion on, it's just that my camera is capturing moving people & items clearly.
GSLEON3 said:
Yeah, I know fast shoes & all that. The funny thing is that almost all the Apache users found that the benchmarks were simillar to not using this app. but the majority of them also said that their unit was much more responsive. If it's a Placebo effect, it's a good one & I'll take it because my video cam actually captures things that are moving now, not just a blur. I'll reset & see if Tracker picks up any other changes anywhere else in the registry.
As far as what I'm currently basing my oppinion on, it's just that my camera is capturing moving people & items clearly.
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what speed are you using?
smittyofdhs said:
what speed are you using?
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Funny enough, the 520 setting feels faster & camera works better for me. Strange though.
a faster processor isnt going to reduce the required exposure time
I understand that, & I'm strictly talking about overall sys. response & the Video Cam. Before when people were moving it as horrible, they appeared as just a blur of motion. Now it records movements much more clearly. The only other thing I've done is installed TomTOm6 w/ a few maps.
I'll tell you what, I'll make a screen recording of video with & with out this applied & you will see what I mean.
Are you sure you're not just taking photos in better light conditions at the moment? The kaiser automatically switches to night mode when the light is poor, and then the camera becomes unusable.
also please review the post I meade eralier about registry keys. When this app is set to 520, the actual registry entries show that overclocking is turned off.
This is DEFINITELY Placebo effect.
dang, this got me pretty excited...
Just as a final nail I tested corecodec benchmark of the spiderman3 movie I have on storage.
Non Over - 97.43% playback rate
520 - 96.62
640 - 96.00
So all in all I think we can call this one dead.
PS: Yes it does piss me off the playback isnt 100%+ but thats the drivers thread not this one.
Guys,
I've started a multi-part article series discussing how the Note4's camera should be used (and how it compares to other high-end phones, cameraphones or even standalone cameras).
The first two parts in the series have already been published:
Part I: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3781966
Part II: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3782300
This series will be of particular interest to Snapdragon 805 users. Exynos users, at the moment, will find the series less interesting, as third-party apps, currently, can't access the (almost) non-processed image stream and they, consequently, can't export non-overprocessed images.
EDIT (2015/01/17): Part III is published on HDR: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3782850
EDIT (2015/01/24): a brand new writeup is here at XDA; you should start with it instead of the previous ones: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/shooting-light-best-image-quality-note-4-t3012008
Great. Thank you
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So which app we must use for normal photos ?
How to manually change shutter speed to 1/8s in Snap Camera HDR app? Thx
masterchif92 said:
So which app we must use for normal photos ?
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Basically, if you have an Exynos device, the stock Camera app unless
- you're absolutely sure you don't need shutter speeds under 1/30s (the restriction of many apps, incl. FV-5) and
- you do need the on-screen controls of that app.
Otherwise, the image quality will be the same so there's no advantage in using any third-party app for shooting, as opposed to the Snapdragon case.
If you have a Snapdragon device, you can get far-far better image quality out of your camera in both still and video shooting mode because of the lack of noise reduction and oversharpening. Then, using third-party apps like Snap camera HDR is preferable, assuming, of course, you don't need features like dual camera.
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Basically, if you have an Exynos device, the stock Camera app unless
- you're absolutely sure you don't need shutter speeds under 1/30s (the restriction of many apps, incl. FV-5) and
- you do need the on-screen controls of that app.
Otherwise, the image quality will be the same so there's no advantage in using any third-party app for shooting, as opposed to the Snapdragon case.
If you have a Snapdragon device, you can get far-far better image quality out of your camera in both still and video shooting mode because of the lack of noise reduction and oversharpening. Then, using third-party apps like Snap camera HDR is preferable, assuming, of course, you don't need features like dual camera.
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I have the s805 model....there are some settings with this camera to set? Or it will be good with the stock one ?
cornelito said:
How to manually change shutter speed to 1/8s in Snap Camera HDR app? Thx
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You can't - the pre-Lollipop API doesn't let for directly setting the shutter speed. The device will automatically use 1/8s when there's little light.
You'll need to make sure you do enable the Photo > “Samsung Camera Mode” checkbox; otherwise, it will NOT be able to go under 1/15s, resulting in a complete loss of no less than 1EV. At least on Snapdragons; I couldn't test this on Exynos devices.
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I have the s805 model....there are some settings with this camera to set? Or it will be good with the stock one ?
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Then, if you really want to see in which cases third-party apps can produce significantly better images, you really want to compare my example shots of the stock app to those of, say, Snap camera HDR - see the crops in my article.
Basically, the stock Camera app applies far too much noise reduction and oversharpening, pretty much ruining fine detail and introducing ugly oversharpening halos. Photos produced by third-party apps, incl. Snap camera HDR, are far more natural.
Just writing my HDR article. The first two parts of the new article is already published: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3782850
Very nice articles. Thanks for doing them.
Is there any way to get rid of the cruddy yellowish look I get on low light photos on my phone? My wife's phone doesn't have this at all, and both of the Note 4s that I have had do. I've been very unimpressed with the low light abilities of this phone, so far. I'd love a solution that doesn't involve sending the phone in to maybe be fixed.
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Is there any way to get rid of the cruddy yellowish look I get on low light photos on my phone? My wife's phone doesn't have this at all, and both of the Note 4s that I have had do. I've been very unimpressed with the low light abilities of this phone, so far. I'd love a solution that doesn't involve sending the phone in to maybe be fixed.
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Have you tried setting "White balance" to "Incandescent" in Settings?
Muyfa666 said:
Very nice articles. Thanks for doing them.
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Thanks! Today, I've continued working on the HDR article.
Thanks for your work. I don't know if I understand correctly but the play store version is 6.2.0. Can this version take pictures under 1/15s? Or we still need a test version for this?
Thanks
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Thanks for your work. I don't know if I understand correctly but the play store version is 6.2.0. Can this version take pictures under 1/15s? Or we still need a test version for this?
Thanks
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Yup, 6.2.0 has just been released. I've tested it; it works flawlessly, at least on Snapdragon:
1/8s is supported
almost-RAW output is supported
Hi there. It's a nice report! However i do have some input
1. The stock camera does do 1/4s in rare occasions , happens for me when I do shots in not-well lit conditions and yet insufficient for camera to engage in night mode.
2. I have no idea if its just me, but night mode does not downsize my photos to 6mpix no matter how dark the scene is. It still stays at 5312x2998. N910G here. Details of photos on poorly lit scenes do not have significantly worse detail for me as compared to well lit ones and file size is in fact larger by a bit. (the room is still not too dark though).
IMO the stock camera does some sort of multi frame noise averaging technique (similar to canon's and sony's "Hand-held Twilight") to reduce noice.
andalism said:
Hi there. It's a nice report! However i do have some input
1. The stock camera does do 1/4s in rare occasions , happens for me when I do shots in not-well lit conditions and yet insufficient for camera to engage in night mode.
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Wow! Haven't ever seen such an image from my European Snap 805 (F) model. Could you post the original to, say, flickr, or, here as an attachment? (Of course, feel free to remove the location info first from the EXIF data.)
IMO the stock camera does some sort of multi frame noise averaging technique (similar to canon's and sony's "Hand-held Twilight") to reduce noice.
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It'd, then, exhibit a much higher probability of camera shake / stitching errors. The relative noiseless-ness is because of the very-very strong noise reduction. (Or, maybe, because of the "G" model you have is somewhat different from the European one? I wouldn't think so - after all, both are Snapdragon-based.)
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Have you tried setting "White balance" to "Incandescent" in Settings?
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I've tried all of the settings in the phone. Nothing makes the problem go away. Using the same settings as my wife's phone, and there's a huge difference in the quality of indoor pictures between the three phones.
It does take quite nice outdoor pictures.
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I've tried all of the settings in the phone. Nothing makes the problem go away. Using the same settings as my wife's phone, and there's a huge difference in the quality of indoor pictures between the three phones.
It does take quite nice outdoor pictures.
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Could you take low-light images with an LCD computer screen displaying white
- without(!) using f.lux or other tools to decrease the white balance (this is equal to about 7000K) and
- at both a very low brightness level (to "kick in" night mode) and a high one (to avoid night mode)
with both phones? Preferably in "auto" and "incandescent" WB modes on both phones.
Menneisyys said:
Wow! Haven't ever seen such an image from my European Snap 805 (F) model. Could you post the original to, say, flickr, or, here as an attachment? (Of course, feel free to remove the location info first from the EXIF data.)
It'd, then, exhibit a much higher probability of camera shake / stitching errors. The relative noiseless-ness is because of the very-very strong noise reduction. (Or, maybe, because of the "G" model you have is somewhat different from the European one? I wouldn't think so - after all, both are Snapdragon-based.)
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Unfortunately, I deleted those photos as it was blurry due to the unexpectedly low shutter speeds or that the picture sucked. I will post if I can reproduce that setting again.
As for the noise averaging mode...
1. It will not cause camera shake/stitching errors even if you hold still. Why? If you were to shake your phone violently, the software is smart enough to abandon image stacking altogether & the final image produced is the result of just 1 picture that has a little fine bit of extra noise reduction maybe.
2.Samsung's night mode is not well documented, unfortunately, despite them having this mode since Galaxy SIII.
However, the answer lies hidden in one of their support page for galaxy S4
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/howtoguide/N0000003/10094/120418/SGH-I337ZBMATT
"Night: Take photos by combining them to get a brighter, clearer photo in low light, without flash."
Now, you may think that perhaps this mode only applies to the S4's night mode, so I did a mini test.
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(1)
Image taken with night mode
(2)
Image taken WITHOUT night mode under same conditions (This is done by tricking the camera to first take a photo in bright light,continue holding down the shutter button to engage burst shot, quickly direct phone to subject and wait for phone to adjust to the right exposure)
(3)
Same image from (2), but edited in Lightroom by dragging the luminance noise slider to like 40.(there is little or no chroma noise, so I did not touch that slider)
As you can see, despite their photos taken under the same conditions, (1) is the best as it as less noisy compared to (2) and sharper than (3).If Samsung really did engage in strong noise reduction at night mode, much fine detail would be lost and the photo will look like an oil painting when you pixel-peep. Thus , night mode photos you take will look more like (3) than (1), when (1) is the actual night mode photo in reality.
3. Another good guess that Night mode is actually a multi frame mode is that, all night mode's photos have their EXIF data eroded.
(Fun fact, dpreview says iphone 6+ does this too)
"the built-in, stock Camera app may have too strong noise reduction and oversharpening"
IMO, Im sorry but I disagree, too strong noise reduction would mean that photos from the note 4 would be too smooth and would lack any fine detail at all, which from my observations isnt true. Samsung excels in that area. Also, oversharpening is also not the case, oversharpened photos often result in false detail and look contrasty/frosty which is again, not the case to me.
EDIT: oversharpening and noise reduction could be a matter of taste so it could be true for some
Since I have succesfully activated HAL3 on our device, I started getting amazing pictures with the help Google Camera. The noise reduction is off, the quality is crystal-clear, which means that we haveamazing sensors on both our cameras, the rear and front one.
But even with this feature turned on, the quality of the built-in cameras of Instagram, Skype, Google Duo , Whatsapp and Viber offer a very low quality of the image even when taking photos but most important - when making a video call. The quality is awfull, just like the stock camera with it's noise reduction on. Blury image and very low FPS while in a videocall. We have great camera modules on our phone, so how to find in the ROMs a way to make these apps use the best quality available of our cameras? Is it related to HAL1 or HAL3 or is there a code in the kernel that can be modified? Or what is the key to make it work better?
When opening the video camera of the stock camera app - the image is clear and the noise-reduction is off...so it is amazing, even the fps is high, no glicthes. As soon as I switch the camera back to the photo, I get a blury image and low fps in of the viewfinder.... exaclty the same is within any of the above meantioned apps. How to make a better camera quality when using them? I haven't found any solution anywhere on the XDA forum not even on the 4pda forum.
Am I the only one concerned about this fact?
The front camera of this device is OV5675 Sensore and read on their page, it says it can handle video recording of Full HD at 60FPS
Than why did the MIUI limit it's capabilities so low? To make it look like a cheap sensor and sell the phone as budget?
Anyone?