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I just installed the latest build of PointUI (www.pointui.com) on my TyTN II, and really like the slick interface and touch capability. Anyone else running this app, and if so have you run into any issues? The fact that the software will remain a free product makes it worth the "testing".
Thanks.
James
Theres a couple of threads on this already. I have installed it but my TyTN II locks up every time within 2 minutes of starting, even after a soft-reset so have given up for now.
I may give it another go when they fix all the bugs listed on their forums and add more features to make it more usable and by then hopefully my lockup issues will be solved as well.
I did use it for some days but I hate that the 'close' button is not an actual close button at all. It just minimizes the app instead of closing it. So it is very memory consuming.
But I did like the interface and the way it worked. Just wait a little longer to have them some issues solved.
plexat they have just fixed the close program issue today with this update
http://www.pointui.com/files/tests/hardwarekeys2/home.zip
Copy the exe over the old one and you now have a close button instead of a minimize one!
It also fixes the issue with hardware buttons not working.
the background color is horrid and the icons are goofy. but the app itself is pretty slick and i like the update manager.
i haven't used it that much, but the only bug i've experienced is while swiping my finger from side to side to move the applet ribbon the touch cube activates. i didn't know it could activate with a side to side motion.
anyway, for a beta product this thing is incredible. it has huge potential. after revisions, i think this will be a must-have app.
just installed it on my phone and it works for about 2 mins before freezing, once already its reduced my screen to randon red and yellow dots, so thats getting uninstalled.
shame really as the 5 mins i did get to spend playing with it i was quite impressed
or i would if it had a proper uninstaller
very nice!
Just installed this in a WM6 emulator (having no real WM6 hardware at this time) and I must say it is superb! It feels like an iPhone (heresy to say something around here, I know). I almost have to say that it is better then TouchFLO (Yet another heresy to say something around here).
Desktopflame said:
plexat they have just fixed the close program issue today with this update
http://www.pointui.com/files/tests/hardwarekeys2/home.zip
Copy the exe over the old one and you now have a close button instead of a minimize one!
It also fixes the issue with hardware buttons not working.
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This is a great update! I didn't like the idea of all my apps running in the background. Thanks for pointing this out.
yay! it lets me get to the hardware buttons!
Desktopflame said:
plexat they have just fixed the close program issue today with this update
http://www.pointui.com/files/tests/hardwarekeys2/home.zip
Copy the exe over the old one and you now have a close button instead of a minimize one!
It also fixes the issue with hardware buttons not working.
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Thank you very much. This is way better than before.
Btw How did you know where to get the file from?? I am registered at the forum but see no file section??
plexat said:
Thank you very much. This is way better than before.
Btw How did you know where to get the file from?? I am registered at the forum but see no file section??
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No problem. I dont really know how I found it I have a tendancy to go to forums and open all threads that interest me by holding ctrl down and clicking on them. Then I read through and close them as I go.
I just happened to come across the update in one of the threads I was reading! One of the developers had posted a link to the file in the middle of a thread.
diar said:
the background color is horrid and the icons are goofy. but the app itself is pretty slick and i like the update manager.
i haven't used it that much, but the only bug i've experienced is while swiping my finger from side to side to move the applet ribbon the touch cube activates. i didn't know it could activate with a side to side motion.
anyway, for a beta product this thing is incredible. it has huge potential. after revisions, i think this will be a must-have app.
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The cube activating is due to your touchflo config file. All you need to do is edit the config file to exclude pointui and the cube will not activate while pointui is open.
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Just installed this in a WM6 emulator (having no real WM6 hardware at this time) and I must say it is superb! It feels like an iPhone (heresy to say something around here, I know). I almost have to say that it is better then TouchFLO (Yet another heresy to say something around here).
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Where did you get an emulator from, i would be interested in this.
PointUI - some notes
Great app, but the problem is it cannot start my 3G connection when e.g. updating weather, or using update manager.
DAMN!
When I start the connection manually from normal WM6 interface, it works then, but it's annoying...
Any help with this?
Thanks,
Gabriel
You know, the saddest part about it all is that even with our $700+ dollar devices (unless you're like me and sold your soul to AT&T... $150 Kaiser baby!) we're all dying for a UI like this. Tell you what, if it wasn't for you guys and the xda-developers community, there's no way in hell I would have gotten this phone. Dutty's ROMs are magical stuff, man. Tell you what, after a few more weeks/months of dev. and a full version with a less... erm... blue background, I'd pay $50 for this program if it allows me to get through my day without ever seeing any part of the traditional Windows Mobile UI. I'd pick it up for $100 if they included integrated task manager, file explorer, media player, web browser, and other essential software. Hell, I'd gladly go higher if they allowed me to never have to see any part of Windows Mobile GUI again. The Kaiser kills the iPhone in functionality (that's why we're all here, right?), but man pointUI is a step in the right direction towards closing the "sexiness" gap.
Okay, rant over.
I'm note sure I would pay $100 for the UI, but I do agree that this is exactly what Windows Mobile needs. Overall function is great and with just a few minor fixes/changes this would be the killer app for any WM device.
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You know, the saddest part about it all is that even with our $700+ dollar devices (unless you're like me and sold your soul to AT&T... $150 Kaiser baby!) we're all dying for a UI like this. Tell you what, if it wasn't for you guys and the xda-developers community, there's no way in hell I would have gotten this phone. Dutty's ROMs are magical stuff, man. Tell you what, after a few more weeks/months of dev. and a full version with a less... erm... blue background, I'd pay $50 for this program if it allows me to get through my day without ever seeing any part of the traditional Windows Mobile UI. I'd pick it up for $100 if they included integrated task manager, file explorer, media player, web browser, and other essential software. Hell, I'd gladly go higher if they allowed me to never have to see any part of Windows Mobile GUI again. The Kaiser kills the iPhone in functionality (that's why we're all here, right?), but man pointUI is a step in the right direction towards closing the "sexiness" gap.
Okay, rant over.
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I cannot agree more than what you say. HTC is a superb tool designed by engineers with some "help" from designer people. I love it, but my god the interface is sometimes not sexy at all (just compare the icons of pointui as an exemple
Iphone is a superb tool made by designers. I love it from a purely design point of view, but it lacks a lot of things engineers love (openness, 3G+, GPS, etc.)
Now the TYTNII plus a pointUI type interface would be the top must. The very few minutes I spent with pointUI, I loved it. I will keep it as soon as it really work and have more customization.
Now, I am sticked to HTC, because it is quite easier to adapt a new interface to an existing device, than the contrary
Thx
hi, i just downloaded this PointUI but i dun quite like it yet..so i decided to uninstall it. The problem is now my left softkey is stuck with 'Home' even after uninstalling and removing everything that is PointUI related (i think i've done everthing )
so, would anyone be kind enough to teach me what to do next?! please!!
thanks in advance!!
leslieyim said:
hi, i just downloaded this PointUI but i dun quite like it yet..so i decided to uninstall it. The problem is now my left softkey is stuck with 'Home' even after uninstalling and removing everything that is PointUI related (i think i've done everthing )
so, would anyone be kind enough to teach me what to do next?! please!!
thanks in advance!!
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Read the uninstall instructions on the PointUI forums.
leslieyim said:
hi, i just downloaded this PointUI but i dun quite like it yet..so i decided to uninstall it. The problem is now my left softkey is stuck with 'Home' even after uninstalling and removing everything that is PointUI related (i think i've done everthing )
so, would anyone be kind enough to teach me what to do next?! please!!
thanks in advance!!
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I had the same.. fairly easy to fix:
get yourself a registry editor (PHM for example)
navigate to: \HKCU\software\microsoft\today\keys\112
change: Default string to 'phone' (from Home)
change: Open string to '\windows\cprog.exe'
then i'd do a soft reset.
should work..
hth.
Looks like the new and revolutionized touchflo is here and from the looks of it, it looks super nice but costs money. Here's the link: http://www.ftouchsl.com/Default.aspx
If you've tried it out, please give us feedback.
The homepage gif doesnt really hilight the power of this tool.
Looking at the videos/infos is way more complete...
I'll give a try ony my Kaiser (the easy scrolling a-la iPhone is interesting)
Forgive my cynicism, but.... I can get my Kaiser to do finger scroll in most applications with TouchFlo. It doesn't look as smooth, but I was under the impression that had something to do with the shoddy screen refresh rate due to poor driver support (see stickies) and I am not entirely convinced that program is being demonstrated on a similarly crippled device...
Furthermore, the flash file on their front page seems to imply that they have some form of gesture recognition software running. The videos, however, do not demonstrate this, only the scrolling....
Dammit I need to be more trusting....
can our handicapped device handle this?
Cavey.co.uk said:
Forgive my cynicism, but.... I can get my Kaiser to do finger scroll in most applications with TouchFlo. It doesn't look as smooth, but I was under the impression that had something to do with the shoddy screen refresh rate due to poor driver support (see stickies) and I am not entirely convinced that program is being demonstrated on a similarly crippled device...
Furthermore, the flash file on their front page seems to imply that they have some form of gesture recognition software running. The videos, however, do not demonstrate this, only the scrolling....
Dammit I need to be more trusting....
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No you don't. Thank-you for raising these rather interesting points. I'd love to have this, but I wouldn't want it messing with my TouchFlo cube...I like the cube, its something cool to show people so they can "Ooooooo....AAaaaaaahhhhhhhhh...."
The device in the videos looks like an HTC P3600. It runs WinMo5 and uses a Samsung processor. I'd guess this doesn't run as nicely on the Kaiser.
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The device in the videos looks like an HTC P3600. It runs WinMo5 and uses a Samsung processor. I'd guess this doesn't run as nicely on the Kaiser.
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Agreed, but you may find that the Qualcomm chipset (as used in the Kaiser) is undermined by the software support for DirectDraw thereby making the Kaiser appear slower despite superior hardware. If the software support was there, you may well find touchflo itself is as smooth as this program. Until I see vids of it on a Kaiser or confirmation that it is pukka, I wont be touching it.
I'm sure someone will try it and let us know if it is kosher soon enough.
Testing
I installed the demo.
Call me Placebo Pete, but I'll be damned if overall scrolling isn't smoother. PIE scrolls MUCH smoother, scrolling the file system is still a bit doggy, but smoother overall. I have Touch Commander as my "cube" launcher and its much quicker to draw.
Overall, there really may be somthing to look at here. YMMV. I'd be interested in what others think.
I also run PointUI, which also seems to have benefitted. PointUI has always been smooth because its still a bit bare bones, but now I'd say its downright spritely!
Does this product interfere at all the TouchFlow Cube? I have Slither's version. Should Cube be de-installed to run this program or are they fully compatible?
Cavey.co.uk said:
Agreed, but you may find that the Qualcomm chipset (as used in the Kaiser) is undermined by the software support for DirectDraw thereby making the Kaiser appear slower despite superior hardware. If the software support was there, you may well find touchflo itself is as smooth as this program. Until I see vids of it on a Kaiser or confirmation that it is pukka, I wont be touching it.
I'm sure someone will try it and let us know if it is kosher soon enough.
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why wait for a video on a kaiser...isn't that what the demo is for...so you can try it for yourself rather than just speculate...not flaming, just saying...
If anyone tries the new FTouchSL app on your Kaiser/Tilt, please post your results here. I tried it (in demo mode) earlier today on my Tilt and experienced many a touch screen freeze. The settings area includes an option to disable TouchFlo, which I did...and when I'd test the new scrolling in PIE or Contacts, it would scroll (beautifully, I might add! Much smoother better than TouchFlo IMO) but would then freeze after just a few swipes. I'm curious if I'm in the Kaiser/Tilt minority when experiencing these bugs. Thanks!
I have not seen any freezes or lockups yet.
strikeIII said:
why wait for a video on a kaiser...isn't that what the demo is for...so you can try it for yourself rather than just speculate...not flaming, just saying...
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Given I just broke my phone (cracked the screen) and had to re-install I don't want to mess with it quite yet.
My main point was that for some people, even if they use this software it wont improve matters because of the driver issues. This might lead them to blame the software (PocketCM worked well on my Hermes, not so well on my Kaiser) when in reality the software is fine, it's the drivers that have problems.
Some of the posts here are encouraging, but I can't quite understand how the software would improve Nick's touch commander and pointui exprience.
If I develop some courage and find time I will try and install it with some before and after shots. I can't be a Negetive Nancy forever....
Does this software interfere with the Cube? Can they co-exist?
So I finally managed to install it :
- First attempt, the Kaiser was unresponsible. Shutdown / restart.
Then didn't find where to restart the welcome wizard...
- Uninstalled, reinstalled : now I follow the wizard
- Scrolling to line 50 is ok...
- Selecting multiple lines won't work.
- Gestures "down-up" ... unable to do it neither (cannot press exit nor next)
Start Menu still works (from the hard button), but I can't select anything with the touchscreen...
I tried from the Program icon to disable the app, no way... Still won't give my touchscreen back.
I'll uninstall it.
sebbes said:
So I finally managed to install it :
- First attempt, the Kaiser was unresponsible. Shutdown / restart.
Then didn't find where to restart the welcome wizard...
- Uninstalled, reinstalled : now I follow the wizard
- Scrolling to line 50 is ok...
- Selecting multiple lines won't work.
- Gestures "down-up" ... unable to do it neither (cannot press exit nor next)
Start Menu still works (from the hard button), but I can't select anything with the touchscreen...
I tried from the Program icon to disable the app, no way... Still won't give my touchscreen back.
I'll uninstall it.
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Is that the demo or bought version you tried?
Demo of course, I won't buy something that didnt convince me
Problems here too
Hi
It installed fine, but when I got to the "gesture" step in the config wizard it hung and I could no longer use the touch screen.
I restarted and all looked fine, it felt much more responsive but then the touchscreen stopped working again. I could still use the hardware buttons, so I uninstalled it and my touchscreen came back (after a further restart of course!).
I am using Dutty's V3 ROM, so perhaps there is some incompatability somewhere.
I have installed the demo, and I must say, there is a noticeable difference in the smoothness of the scrolling versus using the default HTC ftouchflo. Also I was able to complete the tutorial with no hitches. I had the cube installed at first, and I couldn't sense any conflicts between the two. This app will conflict with the scrolling feature of the HTC Ftouchflo (obviously), but after you do the tutorial and it brings you to the setup page it gives you the option to disable the default touchflo scrolling. I have yet to determine which gestures I would like to use, so I haven't configured those yet. Overall I'd say this program is a lot better than the one HTC supplies. I would gladly pay 10 or 12 bucks for it. I wonder how much it costs. hmm let's see.....
20 Duckets!!
I guess I'm gonna hafta play with it some more to see if i really want to lay down 20 bucks for it.
philteale said:
Hi
It installed fine, but when I got to the "gesture" step in the config wizard it hung and I could no longer use the touch screen.
I restarted and all looked fine, it felt much more responsive but then the touchscreen stopped working again. I could still use the hardware buttons, so I uninstalled it and my touchscreen came back (after a further restart of course!).
I am using Dutty's V3 ROM, so perhaps there is some incompatability somewhere.
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Philteale and Sebbes, sounds like we're having identical screen freezing problems. I think the scrolling - when it works - is a lot smoother than TouchFlo...unfortunately, it keeps freezing.
Am I imagining it or should the screen flip over when I move the diamond to horizontal when browsing on Opera? If it should be, how do I make mine do it?
it should do it automatically
Edit:
Try this ..enter your browser, go to settings, then display and automatic full screen should be marked
Ok, well than I have a problem because it's not. Help!
Try this ..enter your browser, go to settings, then display and automatic full screen should be marked
Full screen was marked. Thanks though...
Ok, I just realised that my battery was very low. Not only was the screen refusing to go horizontal, when it did go eventually go horizontal, the key-pad came up and showed me missed calls!?? Does the diamond go a bit crazy when battery is low? lol!
simcarloc said:
Full screen was marked. Thanks though...
Ok, I just realised that my battery was very low. Not only was the screen refusing to go horizontal, when it did go eventually go horizontal, the key-pad came up and showed me missed calls!?? Does the diamond go a bit crazy when battery is low? lol!
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Buddy:
A word of advice:
Read all the post and threads before you start your own topics.
Dont be lllaaazzzyyyyy, we were all once new to the Diamond.
All the questions you asked since you have become a memeber have been asked and mostly resolved.
Make everyone a favor and explore all the knowledge that has been gathered for Diamond users.
It all there man!
Luck!
Thanks for the post, but I searched for this issue and couldn't find anything.
As you're such a senior member, some help and perhaps at least pointing me in the right direction on this forum would be greatly appreciated.
simcarloc said:
Thanks for the post, but I searched for this issue and couldn't find anything.
As you're such a senior member, some help and perhaps at least pointing me in the right direction on this forum would be greatly appreciated.
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What usually helps in this situation is do the following:
-Quick fix for the Opera is here: Latestzz version of Opera which I believe is the one on Duttythroy.net
-Uninstall current Opera version and reinstall with 1938.
If that does not work try this:
-Flash ROM. You choose your poison. All ROMS offered are good, it all depends on your taste.
-And then reinstall new Opera version (if ROM does not have it)
Luck!
And remember to search and read!
Thanks for the tips. I should have mentioned that I have Swift v6.0 ROM...
Are you saying that the low battery and crazy web page viewing is common then? Or that the screen not going horizontal is common?
simcarloc said:
Thanks for the tips. I should have mentioned that I have Swift v6.0 ROM...
Are you saying that the low battery and crazy web page viewing is common then? Or that the screen not going horizontal is common?
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Some bugs on the switchng to horizontal and then starting phone app are common. I believe they dont have anything to do with batts.
You will stumble across multiple bugs, the Jewel is one spoiled brat. But we all love him anyways
(I guess its the price to pay for such an "Open Source" based on liberty device)
Luck!
Does the latest Opera on dutty's webage fix this bug?
Also - and I have searched for this relentlessly - I don't understand how to install cab files, can you tell me where they need to go on the phone before I try to execute the file...
simcarloc said:
Does the latest Opera on dutty's webage fix this bug?
Also - and I have searched for this relentlessly - I don't understand how to install cab files, can you tell me where they need to go on the phone before I try to execute the file...
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D/l from wherever.....store on PC Desktop
Connect Diamond to PC Activesnych.......
Copy d/led CAB on Desktop to Internal Storage on you Diamond using file explorer on you PC
Using file explorer on your diamond go to Internal Storage.....
Click on Cab file.
It will start installing and ask where do you want to install....choose where internal storage is best.
Then hey presto its there.
Go to Programs and icon should be there click and enjoy
I don't think these play well together. When I installed PIEPlus I got an error that said "can not get window handle from Browser interface", so I uninstalled it.
I reverted my PIE from IE6 back to the old version, reinstalled PIEPlus and it works.
I'm no expert, so it could have been a different issue, but my PIE+ is working and that makes me a happy girl.
I searched through the forums and never found anything to help me so I hope this helps someone. If everyone, except me, already knew this then there is egg on my face...I hear it's good for your skin anyway.
Possibly found something for you.
Here's something I posted a while back about the different classname that IE6 uses for the window it draws.
My post was to try and get the TouchPro's touch-sensative wheel (aka. Smartscrolling) to work in IE6 but it could be relevent to your question.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=59424
I found something that works. It was really bugging me, ever since people started cooking IEMobile6 into their awesome ROMs, that 4-wayNav/SmartScrolling were broken.
I think I found an improvement. I found this classname using the FDCsoft TaskManager: IEMobile instead of IExplorer
-It scrolls really slowly
-And it still doesn't jump to every single link, but it hits more than just d-pad.
NewKey:[HLKM\Software\HTC\SmartTouch\IEMobile]
"ClassName"="IEMobile"
Interesting! I'm using PIE+ on a stock Fuze (WM 6.1) with no problems.
not all that interesting
stock Fuze doesn't have PIE6 on it.
I was using PIEPlus on a stock Fuze just fine as well...then I flashed a custom ROM that includes PIE6
?
I feel ignored, lol.
A little feedback would be appreciated, not necessary, of course, but in the spirit of conversation.
Did you understand what I meant about the "classname"??
If PIE+ uses a fair amount of registry keys for its program, you might just need to change a few registry values and be good to go.
Most of the applications don't know that there is a different windowclass because we're using stuff grabbed from WM6.5 ROMs. Which is Awesome, but some apps get confused.
scoobasteve, please don't feel ignored. I just didn't understand what you meant. I looked at your other post (ppcgeeks) again this afternoon to try to understand and I still don't entirely, but maybe a little.
For what it's worth, I thought I would change the registry to go back to PIE6 after PIEPlus was successfully working and now it's royally screwed up. I'm not sure what to do with registry keys within PIE+ to get it to look for the right stuff; I'm not that advanced.
I may uninstall/reinstall PIEPlus again to see if all of the correct keys are found again. Maybe I should have posted this in the ROM specific thread, but I know that PIEPlue didn't install correctly on a variety of new ROMs that I flashed last week.
sc00basteve said:
I feel ignored, lol.
A little feedback would be appreciated, not necessary, of course, but in the spirit of conversation.
Did you understand what I meant about the "classname"??
If PIE+ uses a fair amount of registry keys for its program, you might just need to change a few registry values and be good to go.
Most of the applications don't know that there is a different windowclass because we're using stuff grabbed from WM6.5 ROMs. Which is Awesome, but some apps get confused.
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It's OK. Just trying to help
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scoobasteve, please don't feel ignored. I just didn't understand what you meant. I looked at your other post (ppcgeeks) again this afternoon to try to understand and I still don't entirely, but maybe a little.
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I was just kidding, btw. Some people don't even check the threads more than once or twice a week
I'd be happy to explain. Hopefully simply and not so off that I get chastized by one of the pros. hehe
The way programs create a window is by refering to a template of some kind. In many cases they are found in __.dll files. In WinMo6.5, I'm pretty sure the Search Widget, Weather Widget, and PIE6 all use the same type of window. Some of these Windows can be identified by a name, aka classname. This so that programmers can change different aspects of how the program reacts to our user input.
If you use HTCAlbum or HTCYouTube, those both have their own classnames as well. And as of right now, they are soooooo much easier to fingerscroll: Faster and smoother. The distance the window scrolls when you swipe the screen is one of the things someone can change in the registry. What you are really editing is how the program uses that window (windowclass/classname) when you swipe the screen with your finger.
So, the developers of 6.5 changed the classname that PIE6 uses. This is probably because it is so very different that few programs designed for 6.1 will work well with it. I tried using the PIE addon from Spb PocketPlus v4.1.0 and it got really confused. Pocket plus must have recognized certain elements but choked, big time, cause of the significant differences.
In Conclusion- I would not recommend using any PIE addons with PIE6 for right now. If you installed the old PIE, hopefully it will only be the widgets that won't work. I'm not really sure.
Had a little more time for this reply. Hope it helps a bit more.
Solution...
Change the registry key here
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Internet Explorer]
"MSHTML"=dword:0 ; 0 for old IE, 1 for IE Mobile 6
Install PIEPlus 2.2 and off you go...
I couldn't live without it eather...
Kind regards,
Axel
doesn't anyone actually read?
Freakydile:
not a solution...refer to op, that is what I did. That doesn't address the issue of PIE+ not working with PIE6 at all.
sc00basteve:
I have installed a 6.5 rom that I love so PIE+ will just have to go until it is updated to work with PIE6 or I can figure out a resolution.
Thanks, I understand a lot more about it now.
thanks
Freakydile said:
Change the registry key here
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Internet Explorer]
"MSHTML"=dword:0 ; 0 for old IE, 1 for IE Mobile 6
Install PIEPlus 2.2 and off you go...
I couldn't live without it eather...
Kind regards,
Axel
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it worked for me like a charm. made me happy
thanks a lot.
i had new pie with plus not working. so i changed the above mentioned dword to dword=0, and voila!
using this on Pajerm's RC2, wm 6.5, clock 201mhz, In htc opal????
This thread is for discussion among those of us TD2 users who have dumped, or might dump, TF3D in favour of either another Today screen replacement or the stock WinMo 6.1 Today screen.
Thus far I'm finding the TD2 a hell of a lot more usable without TF3D. Little things like being able to use a lock password with a 15 minute delay, getting auto-Capitalization when writing texts are good, along with a much faster phone, much less memory usage and....it even seems I'm getting better battery life.
Most of the bugs people are reporting are actually TF3D issues which are resolved by ditching TF3D.
So has anyone else taken the plunge and gone back to the standard WinMo6.1?
I used to installed Ultimate Launch then Spb Mobile Shell in my original Diamond. Now I am using TF3D in my Diamond2. I wish Mobile Shell 3 may upload a more bug free version for the new device such as HD and Diamond2 and I may switch back to Mobile Shell. Perhaps WM6.5 release may change my plan and look forward to what HTC still put their manila on top of those WM6.5 device.
As I said, the thread is for people who are NOT using TF3D.
Personally I think WM6.5 will render TF3D completely redundant by handling the one thing it's good at - gloss.
Another thing I've noticed about not using TF3D is that the phone's response to tilting it to landscape and back is a lot faster.
My case as well: I've got the feeling that TF3D is more like a heavy bag.
As soon as I deactivated, the phone became easier to be handled and plus, presenting extra memory/battery resources as well.
However, a Launcher is very much needed, since neither the TF3D, nor the WM's Today screen don't offer the possibility to get to your action choice with only one button-tap.
Is there a good free launcher which can do that?
cheers!
I'm finding judicious use of which apps you put into the Start Menu helps a lot - the apps I use on a daily basis are all there, others I can get to via their presence on the Today screen, such as Tomtom.
The start menu seems to appear quicker than the TF3D one does as well.
Another thing I'm liking is the Today plugin for the RSS reader - TF3D2 didn't seem to handle RSS alerts well, when you acknowledged them it didn't take you into the RSS reader.
Best of all though is the fact I can now password protect my phone properly and delay it for 15 mins so I'm not badgered for the password all the time.
I'm finding that I don't need the stylus much either, despite the smaller menus and so on.
I just can't get over the extended battery life and improved memory usage though!
Without TF3D and three apps running (calendar, contacts and file explorer) my memory is loaded only 38%.
With TF3D it never went under 50%.
As for the battery, I can only say that it seems that lasts longer, but I didn't really seriously monitor it.
I was using PointUI Home2 free version on my Diamond, it's great. Less memory usage, and huge customisability. I had 5 "tabs" with the homescreen (see attachment) calendar & tasks, comms, stock, and weather. Worked great.
The default Home2 theme is a little mucky, but there is a huge range of alternative themes. I made a nice black one that suits the diamond.
If I get rid of TF3D then
- can I alter by normal threaded SMS for to show more than 1 line that I have typed in my new reply (like TF3D does)?
- can I still create push internet sites without TF3D?
- will the hardware button for program files still work? Will this take me to the same screen?
Can I exit TF3D without disabeling it just to check out how things look?
I have disabled and tweaked so much of TF3D that I am also thinking that it is going to be off my device with the 6.5 ROM anyway .... why not do it now.
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If I get rid of TF3D then
- can I alter by normal threaded SMS for to show more than 1 line that I have typed in my new reply (like TF3D does)?
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Yes
- can I still create push internet sites without TF3D?
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I believe so as this is an Opera thing but I don't use Push Internet at all so I can't be sure
- will the hardware button for program files still work? Will this take me to the same screen?
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Assuming you mean the flag button, yes it still brings up the Start Menu, but you'll get the normal WM6.1 one, which contains your most recently used apps, your seven favourite apps you've selected to appear on the menu, a shortcut to Settings and a shortcut to all your Programs.
Can I exit TF3D without disabeling it just to check out how things look?
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Just go into All Settings, Personal, Today and uncheck the TF3D box to turn TF3D off. Give it a few days of usage before you make your mind up. Don't forget to turn on and customize the other Today screen plugins to get the full experience.
I have disabled and tweaked so much of TF3D that I am also thinking that it is going to be off my device with the 6.5 ROM anyway .... why not do it now.
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My thoughts entirely. In a couple of months' time TF3D will be completely redundant anyway.
Incidentally, I've started getting right into Today screen plugins...TodayAgenda is frankly the best app on my phone. I use the Todo (Tasks) app more than any other app on my phone. TodayAgenda allows you to have your task list (with only the active tasks showing, huzzah!) right there on your today screen, so you don't even need to unlock your phone to see what you need to do next! And you can complete tasks and create new ones right there on the Today screen. It's awesome and I can see this becoming my new most-used widget.
Just this one plugin renders TF3D utterly redundant as far as I'm concerned!
The RSS reader has a plugin too, which is really useful.
Does anyone else have good suggestions for really useful Today plugins? I tried PointUI Home2 but that's more of a replacement than a plugin.
Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks
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Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks
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No I'm talking about TodayAgenda - it's a plugin, you have to download and install it. It lets you look as far ahead as you like and does both Todos and Calendat entries (although I only use it for Todos).
Also, try WMP Status 1.0, it shows you on the today screen the artist, album, track and track number that you're currently playing in Media Player. Very useful as you don't need to unlock your phone to see what you're listening to!
grgmhlch said:
Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks
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Incidentally, if you go into Settings / Today and highlight CALENDAR, click OPTIONS, you can set it to show all upcoming appointments instead of just the next one.
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Incidentally, if you go into Settings / Today and highlight CALENDAR, click OPTIONS, you can set it to show all upcoming appointments instead of just the next one.
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Thank you Jim.
It seems that I've missed the Option button.
Thanks for the TodayAgenda tip too.
grgmhlch said:
Thank you Jim.
It seems that I've missed the Option button.
Thanks for the TodayAgenda tip too.
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No problem. Check out WMP Status 1.0 as well, it's really useful when you're listening to music!
Ok, since I droped TF3D, I also dropped the phone dialer skin, leaving the WM one, which is fine for me but apparently it has a bug:
it doesn't show me the calls&contacts, in its scroll-down field, even though there is some information present, because if I tap, it opens the call's details window.
In other words, it's like a list on which the items have the same font color like the list's background.
Did anybody experienced the same?
Is it possible that another dialer skin would change this behavior?
I put Phonealarm and today agenda straight on my phone and removed TF3D its just too restricting. I can get to everything i need with one click on the home screen none of this swishing fingers to get to stuff.
I really don't know what some of yoy are complaining about...
Not Capitalizing the first letter... NONSENS, when i write a SMS the first letter of a sentence is capitalized..
Memory consumption.......
Why do you think this device has so much ???? Because HTC wants you to run TF3D and still have more then enough memory free to run Whatever app......
I was sceptical at first too. But if you give it a chance you will see that once you have seen every screen (without a reboot) it's VERY fast, and very comfortable...
I am sure i will keep TF3D for a while !
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Does anyone else have good suggestions for really useful Today plugins?
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I used to run 2 Today pages using Second Today.
Weather (SPB Traveller) , CLauncher and SPB Phone (can't beat the options here) on the 1st Today. SPB Diary full screen on the other (2nd) Today.
Custom links to Internet and GPS Navigation complete the productive config.
I travel for business. Calendar and Contacts and the most important.
TF3D Calendar can't make top 20 on market I would say. Contacts in TF3D are death by scrolling (by default). The new D2 Dialer is more productive for contacts than any of the TF3D contacts screens!
I agree that all these other UIs that don't allow Today plugins are missing the point. People want to pay for and use specialist programs where certain functionality is important to them.
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I'm finding judicious use of which apps you put into the Start Menu helps a lot - the apps I use on a daily basis are all there, others I can get to via their presence on the Today screen, such as Tomtom.
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With a WVGA screen, I really wish there were a work around to be able to place more than 7 apps in the start menu. Can't believe I've never found a hack for this.
Alternatively, I love to be able to route the start button to the All Programs folder but never been able to find this either. Two simple things that must not be easy or else we would have seen them before.
BTW, I unchecked TF3D within 24hrs (a month ago). I use SPB Mobile Shell for the shell. For the today screen (WM 6.1) I use Today Agenda, Google Search, Elecont Weather (paid) or WeatherBugDirect (free). I also run all my tasks and appointments from the traditional today screen via TodayAgenda.