Word Completion editor for WM6 - Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps

Hi, This hasn't been asked in a while at least as far as I could find so I wondered if anything further has happened that I haven't heard about in the realm of Word Completion dictionary editor for WM6? If you have looked you know there are 2 popular ones but neither works for WM6.
The reason I have a need for this is everytime I try out a new program it kind of "scrambles" my word suggestion list and adds a bunch of nonsense words strung together. The only thing I can do at this point is to clear all saved words. I am running other programs and KT but this has happened from day one with this device. (att tilt/8925)
Any ideas? Thanks.

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HELP..Soft keyboard List Takes 10sec to Appear..HELP

Can you please provide a solution to this problem? I have several soft keyboards (SIPs) and every time I go to select one, I have to wait ten seconds for the keyboard list to appear (pop-up). I click on the little arrow next to the right of the keyboard icon and the list of soft keyboards shows up 8-10 seconds later. PLEASE HELP…
I've seen others post some sort of fix for this. It involves removing some software or something like that. Do a search on something like keyboard list or SIP list.
Wait, I just found the thread. You started that thread also and an answer was supplied. Why did you start a new thread? Did that not work? Even so, why not just keep posting in that one? What the hell? Is it a hobby of yours to open new threads to just keep asking the same question?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342727&highlight=keyboard+list
EDIT: Dude! This is the 3rd time you opened a thread and asked the same question!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342320&highlight=keyboard+list
Each time you got an answer with no response from you!
Thanks For Nothing…
I saw it however the solution wasn’t saying why it works. Anyway, THANKS TO YOU, I followed that solution and now all my soft keyboards are gone. The only keyboard I see in the list is the default built-in keyboard. You killed my Tilt, it doesn’t even function after a soft reset. THANKS FOR NOTHING…
Originally Posted by RemE
Here's the answer from the same question yesturday;
How to reduce soft keyboard pop-up delay?
I have added two soft keyboards to my AT&T Tilt and when I try to select them by clicking on the up arrow next to the keyboard icon; it takes ~8 seconds for the keyboard list to appear. How can I reduce this time by modifying a registry key?
As I read in a forum,using a Registry Editor go to HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT and export CLSID.
Delete CLSID and then run the file you exported before (CLSID.reg).It will ask if you want to import the file and you press "Yes".
Don't know why it works because it's the same thing, but it works!
And opening the same exact thread every other day was your response? maybe if you dialoged with the person, you'd get some feedback.
And apparently others have gotten it to work just fine. You are the only person who's "Tilt got Kilt" by this.
Any time you decide to mess with the Registry, you know the possible consequences. Blaming me or anyone else for your mistake is LAUGHABLE. A hard reset will basically allow you to do over. So your phone isn't dead, as you want to have us believe. And then you will say, I didn't have a backup. And somehow, that also will be our fault. People like you make people not want to provide help.
z_zk_z said:
I saw it however the solution wasn’t saying why it works. Anyway, THANKS TO YOU, I followed that solution and now all my soft keyboards are gone. The only keyboard I see in the list is the default built-in keyboard. You killed my Tilt, it doesn’t even function after a soft reset. THANKS FOR NOTHING…
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Ha, sorry you lost your keyboards, the saying I like most on this forum is "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the ROM Kitchen".
If you delete that registry entry and NOT restore it correctly I would guess that something like this would happen. You must follow instructions exactly and even then things can happen. I use Spb backup and keep my PPC backed up after EVERY successuful addition to the phone. If I screw up, I would restore back to the previous step. I haven't needed to yet and I've changed something on this Kaiser almost every day for 2 months now.
So don't whine to us, be responsible for you own data when you modify your toys like the rest of us or go play somewhere else

A few questions about my new Wing

Hi everyone... I am trying to find out a few things about my new phone. I am brand new to Windows Mobile, coming from a blackberry, and have done much searching on here, but haven't found exactly what I'm looking for.
I have found tons of posts on how to disable threaded texts. Not sure why anyone would want to do this, (I'm still used to my blackberry, and I love the threaded texts)... so I am wondering how I get that, because mine must be already disabled. Mine only shows the messages that were sent to me. I did get a program from a guy I work with called Xtreme text, which is ok, but kind of slow.
Also, I would like to know if I can disable or at least change the sound that my phone makes when I send a sms. I went into sounds and turned off notifications, and that turned it off, but it also turned off the sound for when I receive a text.
I saw that there are different operating systems I guess they are, and some of them maybe would give me the things I'm looking for, but a lot of them say that the transcriber has been disabled, and that is the whole reason I had to lose the Blackberry, because we are using a new program at work and I need to be able to have my phone signed with the stylus.
I would appreciate any help I can get. Thanks!
Welcome to xda-devs! consider this your "get questions anwered without just being to sold to search" pass.
Threaded texts are not natively supported in WM6. You must flash a WM6.1 rom for natively supported threaded texts. Flashing roms is really fun and kind of addicting (at least imho). There are currently 2 methods for flashing roms- USPL and Hard-SPL. Your phone is protected from rom changing with a "CID-Lock" that is built into the SPL of your phone. The USPL uses a temporary SPL to disable the lock where as Hard-SPL flashes a totally new SPL that has no CID-lock.
Romwise, we do not yet have an abundance of cooks. We have two main cooks, itje and ttran. They make the "Touch-it" and "Open Touch" roms, respectively.
Now about the transcriber. The transcriber takes the text that you write and translates it into text. I am not sure what program you could use to actually sign documents.
Welcome to xda-devs!
Thanks fzzy! Ok, so in your opinion, what would be the easier way for a newb to do this, and what would be the flash that I wanted to use? I am totally new to all of this and will need step by step instructions on how to do all of it without turning my phone into a paperweight.
Any suggestions and help will be awesome! The main things I want are the threaded texting, and to be able to scroll through my contacts with my finger like the iphone I guess. Also, I would really like for the phone not to make that bell noise when I send an sms. The thing with the transcriber i believe is built into the program that we will be using, but the ability for the phone to accept the movement of the stylus needs to be active still.
Thank You!
read this!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369397
How2flash!!!
Very important.....
And if you hard-spl... you can test any rom you want....
Yeppers. As fzzyrn said, you don't need the transcriber since all that does is translate what you write into words. If you do want it, though, you can built a ROM using my kitchen that includes it.
Romwise, we do not yet have an abundance of cooks. We have two main cooks, itje and ttran. They make the "Touch-it" and "Open Touch" roms, respectively.
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Boo hoo, no body loves me. I'm gonna built one ROM with every configuration possible with my kitchen and release it so that people will start talking about my Clean series ROMs. hehehe
Hmm I still don't really understand what any of that means. Maybe I will just have to learn to like this phone the way it is.
It does say though, under "programs you need" that you need active sync if you have XP. What if you are using Vista?
I am going to keep reading posts to find out as much as I can, but this is all pretty confusing to me so far...
Landocommando12 said:
Hmm I still don't really understand what any of that means. Maybe I will just have to learn to like this phone the way it is.
It does say though, under "programs you need" that you need active sync if you have XP. What if you are using Vista?
I am going to keep reading posts to find out as much as I can, but this is all pretty confusing to me so far...
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My suggestion:
1. USE your device about a few weeks. You never tune a car before you tested it.
2. Meanwhile READ, READ, READ and you will understand WinMobile etc.... and Activesync and WMDC on Vista
3. NOW start searching apps you want to try....
4. And now think about falshing a tuned up Operating system....
But please take time for 1-3!!!!!!!
@ ivan: WE love you!!
But the great super working Moderator was also missed.
hahahahahahahaha
papamopps said:
@ ivan: WE love you!!
But the great super working Moderator was also missed.
hahahahahahahaha
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lol. It's ok, I love the moderator's work, too!
Together, we can be "The Forgotten."
Would it maybe be easier for me to just try the palm threaded sms program, since that's really the biggest thing I want? Also, does anyone know how to turn off that stupid annoying sound that comes up and says message sent? That thing is really annoying me!
Thanks!
Landocommando12 said:
Would it maybe be easier for me to just try the palm threaded sms program, since that's really the biggest thing I want? Also, does anyone know how to turn off that stupid annoying sound that comes up and says message sent? That thing is really annoying me!
Thanks!
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you got to reg edit it(use a reg editor like PHM Reg edit0
then go to HKLM(hey_local_machine)\software\microsoft\inbox\settings
SMSNoSentMsg = 1
you might have to create the value...
kidnamedAlbert said:
you got to reg edit it(use a reg editor like PHM Reg edit0
then go to HKLM(hey_local_machine)\software\microsoft\inbox\settings
SMSNoSentMsg = 1
you might have to create the value...
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Ok, sorry but I'm really new to this... is this reg editor something I run on the phone, or on the computer while the phone is connected to it?
Thanks
youhave to install PHM reg edit to your phone or use this on your desktop computer(attached):
ok, so I started the regeditor and connected my phone, and went into HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Inbox but then there is no settings folder, only "Ldapinfo", "sendDriver", and "Svc". Any suggestions on where to go from there?
Thank you!
here i created a cab file for you.
just copy it to your wing then click it and it will fix this sent message thing
hmm I copied it and clicked it, and it opened a bunch of text in IE, but it didn't stop the message sent notification. Not sure if I did something wrong or what...
lordy lordy. how'd i forget ivan? haha.
we should also add albert now what with his carbon rom, eh?
oh by the way, you need to click it from your device, not form your computer. trix is for kids (get it?). oh and you should get some "cab via activesync" software so you don't hafe to repeatedly copy and open.
so it didnt install at all?
i tried it on my wing and showed this:
kidnamedAlbert said:
so it didnt install at all?
i tried it on my wing and showed this:
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Click install
haha yeah i know its just i made that cab for him nd it "didnt work" but i think Fzzyrn helped him

How to disable capital letters after punctuation mark in SMS/E-mails?

Hi all,
I don't like the feature that a word at the beginning of a sentence will be capitalized automatically when writing an E-Mail or text message. Does anybody know how to switch that off? I know that there are some related settings in the input section, but these settings have no effect on my upper case problem.
I guess (hope) there is some registry setting. Does anybody know a solution?
Cheers,
foo
P.S.: The reason why I hate this feature is that it works wrong for me. When I write an E-mail I start like:
Hello blabla,
how are you today? ...
actually the "h" will be capitalized automatically which is wrong.
haven't found one yet (although haven't looked hard). If you undo straight after the capitalization the word returns to normal (although undo is pretty hard without a Ctrl key on the hardware keyboard).
foo said:
Hi all,
I don't like the feature that a word at the beginning of a sentence will be capitalized automatically when writing an E-Mail or text message. Does anybody know how to switch that off? I know that there are some related settings in the input section, but these settings have no effect on my upper case problem.
I guess (hope) there is some registry setting. Does anybody know a solution?
Cheers,
foo
P.S.: The reason why I hate this feature is that it works wrong for me. When I write an E-mail I start like:
Hello blabla,
how are you today? ...
actually the "h" will be capitalized automatically which is wrong.
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The setting is in the soft keyboard options. Tap the little arrow next to your keyboard icon and see the options tab at the bottom.
Uncheck the box "Capitalize first letter of sentence"
This may not work on some extra keyboards/sips you install and may need immediate soft reset to make changes.
apprentice said:
Uncheck the box "Capitalize first letter of sentence"
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This setting is already unchecked but has no effect.
Did any of you guys ever manage to fix the Capitalisation issue?
I've just bought an HTC Touch Pro 2 and am having the same issue.
Checking or unchecking the box, warm reset, cold reset, nothing makes a difference.
I'm someone who IS very much bothered buy auto-capitalisation, and so would appreciate any help anyone can offer.
Cheers.
Yup, have the same problem since I got this phone last year! I searched back and forth, up and down and NOBODY knew a solution so far. And I guess, not so many are bothered by this crap either...!
Some say its windows fault... BUT even in word (windows) we can DISABLE this crap... and why is it there to UNcheck if it does not work??? So this is definately a fault... from SE or MS, I don't care... just fix it...make it work as it is suppose to (unchecking means DISABLED!!!!)!!!!!!!!!!
If you find a solution, please share here. But frankly, I don't think there is a registry solution for this. So until SE or MS are really acknowledging this and fix it, there won't be a 'real unchecking' of this crapppppp!
Unbelievable, eh?
Reading other forums on the same topic I see that people all miss the point. Some people love auto capitalisation, which is fine and fair and good for them, while others - like us - hate it. It should up to the USER to decide whether or not they want it, not the manufacturer, and not other forum users either!
I too am at a total loss to find any solution. let's keep this thread alive, and anyone who finds anything at all that might help please do post.
Thanks.
i don't have any resolution to offer. sorry.
but i am another confused end user, highly bothered by this automatic capitalization setting. i share the ineffectual setting problem.
however i do have some good news. i'm running the newest NFSFAN ROM 6.5, and the setting actually does take effect in the ROMs custom text message input field. in all other text input fields, it doesn't.
if anyone can help us, it has to be NFSFAN, NFSFAN ROM's developer.
foo said:
P.S.: The reason why I hate this feature is that it works wrong for me. When I write an E-mail I start like:
Hello blabla,
how are you today? ...
actually the "h" will be capitalized automatically which is wrong.
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Not in English and formatted like that it's not
I'm one of the ones that doesn't mind it. 99% of the time it's right for me. I always E-mail and SMS with full words no shortcuts and it saves me an extra tap when starting a new sentence, whether the new sentence follows a full stop on the same line of comes after a full stop and then I move to a new line.
It definitely wont turn off on mine either though.
Steve_TLS said:
Not in English and formatted like that it's not
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Capital letter after a comma?
orelsi said:
Capital letter after a comma?
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I did say in that format...
Right
Hello Steve,
How are....
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Wrong
Hello Steve,
how are blah blah..
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It's not an English lesson, but it's right more times than it is wrong. (When typing correctly).
Got it!
Well right or wrong... I found the solution.
There are two files located in the windows directory, that are responsible for auto-capitalization:compose_sms.htm (used when composing text/sms)
compose_note.htm (used when composing email)​As the extension already indicates, these files are really html files.
You have to edit these files and remove every occurrence of the word "autocap" within. I used total commander for the job (it comes with an integrated notepad).
After I saved the files I had no more auto-capitalization. (It's not even necessary to do a reset)
P.S.: You should do a backup of the two files before editing them, just in case you mess something up.
Good job!
Pity the tick just doesn't work properly.
It's not because of the comma that you get the capital letter. It's because of the line break.
By the way.
Hello xxxxxx,
I was wondering what...
Is correct as far as I am aware. Every letter I get from anywhere has a capital letter in the first paragraph.
Matt1408 said:
It's not because of the comma that you get the capital letter. It's because of the line break.
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Yes, that's right, but there are other situations like using abbreviations (followed by a punctuation mark) in sentences where autocap fails.
Matt1408 said:
By the way.
Hello xxxxxx,
I was wondering what...
Is correct as far as I am aware. Every letter I get from anywhere has a capital letter in the first paragraph.
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The orthography varies of course in different languages. In German language it is a rule to start the first sentence lower case after a salutation followed by a comma. If I used an exclamation point, which is also valid after the salutation, I have to start the next sentence upper case.
In other words:
Hallo Herr Bla,
danke für Ihre Bla Bla...
is correct in German language but might be wrong in English language.
Thanks... YOU are THE MAN !!!
foo said:
Well right or wrong... I found the solution.
There are two files located in the windows directory, that are responsible for auto-capitalization:compose_sms.htm (used when composing text/sms)
compose_note.htm (used when composing email)​As the extension already indicates, these files are really html files.
You have to edit these files and remove every occurrence of the word "autocap" within. I used total commander for the job (it comes with an integrated notepad).
After I saved the files I had no more auto-capitalization. (It's not even necessary to do a reset)
P.S.: You should do a backup of the two files before editing them, just in case you mess something up.
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This is brilliant work! Thanks a lot and it WORKS! Just changed it and now this stupid auto cap is gone!!! Since this is a Read Only File, it should stay like that too!
Actually I don't know any language where one writes a Capital letter (except in english the 'I')! So this is just crap and an oversight from MS that this cannot be changed even though its UNchecked in settings!
This autocap was also capitalizing when just pressing the ENTER key and a new line was started, no matter if there was a Period or a Comma!!!!!
Thanks again from all of us who suffered from this...until now!
First up, as the guy who started this thread 100 years ago, my apologies for not being a part of it lately. I've been away.
Secondly, a thousand thanks to Foo for the HTML solution, which I'll try immediately.
Does this solution also stop auto full-stop (auto period in the US!) as well? No one in the thread has yet mentioned the REALLY infuriating feature: type two spaces and you automatically get a full stop and then auto captialisation as well. At least you do on my TP2!
There's certainly no harm in a healthy discussion about what is or is not correct punctuation (although this isn't really the right forum for that), but the truth is we're all free to spell and punctuate however we want, and it's not the place of any software or hardware designer to tell us how we should do that. If I choose to spell the word "Individual" with three Zs, a silent Q and a fullstop in the midle, that's my choice and the software should allow me to do so!
An hour later, and an update on my progress with Foo's HTLM fix:
The fix has eliminated Autocapitalisation after voluntary fullstops, for which a HUGE THAK YOU
However, it hasn't cured the "double-space = auto fullstop and auto capitalisation" issue. Does anyone have ideas on removing that one?
Cheers.
compse_*.htm in ROM and immutable?
I've just upgraded to an official WM6.5 release on my Touch Diamond 2, and have encountered the same annoying problem with first letter capitalization staying on despite the user visible configuration setting.
I've found the \Windows directory compose_*.htm files, with the 'autocap' flags in them .. but on my device these compose_*.htm files appear to be in ROM and immutable. I can't change their permissions to make them non-hidden and/or non-readonly, and I can't delete, edit or overwrite them.
Any ideas, or am I "Stuck" Capitalizing The First Letter Wherever Microsoft Though It Was A Good Idea? Heh.
Thanks!
Jay
foo said:
Well right or wrong... I found the solution.
There are two files located in the windows directory, that are responsible for auto-capitalization:compose_sms.htm (used when composing text/sms)
compose_note.htm (used when composing email)​As the extension already indicates, these files are really html files.
You have to edit these files and remove every occurrence of the word "autocap" within. I used total commander for the job (it comes with an integrated notepad).
After I saved the files I had no more auto-capitalization. (It's not even necessary to do a reset)
P.S.: You should do a backup of the two files before editing them, just in case you mess something up.
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This doesn't work for me. There is no data in these files that says "autocap", it's just a general template for SMS and Email messages.

Duttys 2.5 -- Normal sms app instead off 'Contacts'-smstab

When one clicks a message in TouchFlo/Manilla de Contacts-smstab opens, i would like it too just start the good old sms app from windows. Mostly because auto-capital letters at the beginning of a sentence are supported, but also because i've just gotten used to it and its just easier to use. Anyway, I would guess that it is some registrychange. Am I right? Something like defaultsmsapp or something. I looked around with regedit but couldn't find anything. Anyone got an idea?
Please use the existing thread instead of creating your own.
Ta
Dave

Let's say "Official"...

Hi everyone! I recently bought a T-mo Wing on ebay and as it's my first pda phone I did exactly the same every newbie does: I've messed things up.
The first problem was that I started to download and install every app I thought I would use. Soon realized that IN FACT I would use 10% of all that ans started uninstalling things. Till there, I was good, but then I found pocket mechanic pro and its "registry tweaker & cleanup" killed my voice command and made the phone loop forever on bootup unless I remove the memory card. Besides, I have memory shortage problems and lots of things I will never use like myFaves, t-zones, tons of icons and silly images .... So my questions are ....Is there any T-mo "official" ROM with all the T-mo stuff removed?? I don't have problems with the rest of the apps and bricking the phone is not an option: I'm latin american!! used wing was really a financial effort for me!! The second question would be: Is there any way to restore the registry keys that pocket mechanic erased?? I know the answers might have been already posted but I've been browsing the forums for about 6 hours with no success ..... Can anyone help me on this??
Thanks
Wow.... really long
alvarete62 said:
Hi everyone! I recently bought a T-mo Wing on ebay and as it's my first pda phone I did exactly the same every newbie does: I've messed things up.
The first problem was that I started to download and install every app I thought I would use. Soon realized that IN FACT I would use 10% of all that ans started uninstalling things. Till there, I was good, but then I found pocket mechanic pro and its "registry tweaker & cleanup" killed my voice command and made the phone loop forever on bootup unless I remove the memory card. Besides, I have memory shortage problems and lots of things I will never use like myFaves, t-zones, tons of icons and silly images .... So my questions are ....Is there any T-mo "official" ROM with all the T-mo stuff removed?? I don't have problems with the rest of the apps and bricking the phone is not an option: I'm latin american!! used wing was really a financial effort for me!! The second question would be: Is there any way to restore the registry keys that pocket mechanic erased?? I know the answers might have been already posted but I've been browsing the forums for about 6 hours with no success ..... Can anyone help me on this??
Thanks
Wow.... really long
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The easiest way to go back is to do a hard reset. (Hold the two softkeys and press the soft reset key.) As far as "official" ROM, there isn't, but there are a lot of third party ROMs. If you hardSPL your phone (which runs the slight risk of bricking your phone) then you brick-PROOF your phone.
Wow!! I can't believe you ...I mean YOU, took som time to answer my post!! I read lots of stuff here made by you. Thanks man! I'm really honored.
The thing is that if I hard reset my wing all the T-mo stuff will be there again, and some of it is non removable. There are lots of pictures and icons that I won't ever use. What if I take the latest T-mo ROM and delete all that without modifying anything else?? I mean, no t-zones, no my faves and no TONS of avatar pictures.... would that be possible?? Again, thanks for answering
alvarete62 said:
Wow!! I can't believe you ...I mean YOU, took som time to answer my post!! I read lots of stuff here made by you. Thanks man! I'm really honored.
The thing is that if I hard reset my wing all the T-mo stuff will be there again, and some of it is non removable. There are lots of pictures and icons that I won't ever use. What if I take the latest T-mo ROM and delete all that without modifying anything else?? I mean, no t-zones, no my faves and no TONS of avatar pictures.... would that be possible?? Again, thanks for answering
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lol. Thanks for thinking so highly of me.
It's possible, you have to dump the ROM and then recook it, though.
You could also wait for my SuperJustKitchen and build your own custom ROM. ^_^ But either way, you HAVE to HardSPL. There are no ROMs that can be flashed with the stock SPL other than the stock one.
That's exactly what I'm going to do!! I'll wait for your SuperJustKitchen and remove all unneeded stuff from the latest official T-mo Rom. In the meantime, I will try to recover my voice command without hard resetting just for fun. I really don't need it because my spoken english is horrible and by the time it worked, almost never recognized what I said . Anyway, it really annoys me that a supposed registry cleanup made by pocket mechanic messed up the system that way. The Wizcode forum has a solution that actually works just for the full version of MVC. Nor upgrade nor OEM are fixed by that "patch". I would like to know if there's any way to decompile it and make the corrections manually. It's supposed to restore some deleted registry keys but I couldn't find wich ones ....Would that be possible??
If it's a cab, it can turned into a OEM/EXT package which lets you see the registry keys by themselves.
Sorry for the delay....
Hi again! It was not a .CAB .... It was a [email protected] .exe file. Tried to open with winRAR and 7zip but with no success. Finally i found the dump of the .reg file that voice command uses. I was not able to import it (there are some path errors and I know NOTHING about reg scripting), so i had to write all the keys and values manually. It worked!!!! After a soft reset voice command was there! After that I disabled it because my english sucks and VC could not understand what i said ..... but still works!! Still waiting for your kitchen to make a new ROM for my wing .... Thanks again for taking the time to answer me ...
I don't know well, but...
Maybe you can have good luck in hard-resetting and do not enter into customization, but soft-resetting.
Another way is going into Extended ROM and analizing the .cab files there, and erasing some of them (better if you save them into another place).
Please wait till someone "better than me" will confirm those data I told.
On the other way, if you don't like T-Mo ROMs the best you can do is Hard-SPL and flashing a new radio+ROM. You by yourself realized Ivan has good ROM's. And the one I'm using now is also good.

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