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Yeah, I've searched. I've used Google to search the site, and the site's native search.
Still can't find it.
I'm looking at leasing a place for at least a year that has land-line access, and cable high speed internet, but no cell service whatsoever. Not even with a Wilson Cell phone range extender.
I've been using my cell for 4 years now, and I want to be able to make and receive calls from my cell, on my cell phone number over the cable high speed internet. Is this possible?
I'd rather free... but a small fee might be acceptable. For work, and personal , in SoCal, most of the calls I make are out of area code. I'm worried about cost/minute if I can't get my cell with its free long distance to work at <potential> home.
Links, thoughts, etc?
Thanks.
Skype perhaps?
Anyway if you're looking at making calls from home just use your pc and voipdiscount - it's free for making calls to US landlines and mobile phones.
cell phone over internet
from what I know,
you could try the german betamax services. They have lots of services under other names : like nonoh.net, voipdiscount.com. THey usually offer great prices, much less than skype, the quality is ranging from good enough to (mostly) very good.
As to using it from your cellphone directly, can be done.
Usually you set a connection between 2 cellphones from the web page, easily done. you can alwasy connect to this page from your cellp. and establish the connection.
there is also some new thing - you call a normal tel. number and then you give the other numeber you wanted to call. Look it up -
nonoh.net
voipdiscount.com
I need to be able to receive calls on my cell phone, at my cell phone number, and need to be able to send calls and have them show up with my number on caller ID at the other end.
It doesn't look like either of those services provide that.
something like this?
http://www.t-mobile.com/promotions/hotspotathomelearnmore.aspx
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I need to be able to receive calls on my cell phone, at my cell phone number, and need to be able to send calls and have them show up with my number on caller ID at the other end.
It doesn't look like either of those services provide that.
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Actually, the Betamax VOIP services (like VOIPStunt.com) DO at least some of those things. If you use the phone-to-phone method, you can make a call to someone and it will show your phone number as the caller ID.
I use lowratevoip, havent used it for about 3 weeks, but they are pretty cheap and good when it comes to calling countries in Asia.
I use the [email protected] from Tmobile and its a lifesaver for me.
My gf is a stay at home mom and was able to rack up decent bills/minute usage in the past, all gone since I have hotspot @home
too bad you need a specific phone for it, would be great if they started to support windows mobile.
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something like this?
http://www.t-mobile.com/promotions/hotspotathomelearnmore.aspx
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I've seen discussions here about running a voip client on the tilt, but I've not yet found exactly what kind of service provider is needed for this.
I have packet8 voip service at home. Can I configure a tilt client to make/receive calls over that service? If so, what info do I need from packet 8 to do so?
Or, I have a gizmo account that my grandcentral forwards to. Gizmo only seems to have a java based client for the phone, which isn't working very well for me.
Basically what I'm wanting is calls from my grand central number to get to my tilt via wifi, since I work underground where cell signal isn't available, but we have solid wifi coverage. I'm not worried about being able to make calls.
What's the best way to accomplish this, and can I do it without having to pay for another provider?
VOIP, Voice Over I P, requires an internet connection. As far as I know you don't need a provider. You need an internet connection and a client. Skype is pretty popular but there are others. Check out the SEARCH link in my signature, below. Search for Skype, VOIP, and similar terms and you will get the answer to your question.
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VOIP, Voice Over I P, requires an internet connection. As far as I know you don't need a provider. You need an internet connection and a client. Skype is pretty popular but there are others. Check out the SEARCH link in my signature, below. Search for Skype, VOIP, and similar terms and you will get the answer to your question.
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How could you not have a provider? Something has to transfer calls from the POTS network where the call originates to VOIP. Last I knew, skype charged for 'skype-in' to have a phone number associated with your skype account for calls to come in to.
I have already searched for and read VOIP related posts, as I indicated in the OP. None that I found addressed configuration of packet8 service, which is what I'm ideally looking for. Hopefully someone else will be able to help answer the question, rather than suggesting something I've already tried without success already.
it bugz me nuts when someone who doesnt know what theyre talkin about replies w/nonsense assuming that youre just a little dumber than them..
obviously, these ppl just dont understand what the need is And that they arent qualified to reply...
many times this makes a thread grow beyond the point of management. the mods are hard pressed to clean up irrelevant posts--- such as this..
thankfully, this thread wont reach those numbers..
i aint hating, im just saying :: you all just spit out the words "search" and often a thread you spout off is hundreds of posts long and most are irrelevant--
impossible for someone who has a life to wade all the way thru..
thanx for the space-- feel freee to delete this post.
BTW, i would like to know how you solve it.. please post when you find it
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BTW, i would like to know how you solve it.. please post when you find it
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That I will!
gai-jin said:
I've seen discussions here about running a voip client on the tilt, but I've not yet found exactly what kind of service provider is needed for this.
I have packet8 voip service at home. Can I configure a tilt client to make/receive calls over that service? If so, what info do I need from packet 8 to do so?
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Packet8 is a non-standard VOIP provider. I believe you will need to download, install, and use their client. And that'll cost you over and above your existing service. Worse, I don't think it will get you what you want. Appears that you can make calls, but I'm not sure if you can receive them. I'm not a Packet8 user so I'm not certain of that. But since you are, I'd recommend contacting them to find out what's possible with their service using a mobile device.
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Or, I have a gizmo account that my grandcentral forwards to. Gizmo only seems to have a java based client for the phone, which isn't working very well for me.
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The Gizmo5 mobile client is Java based. It will run like crap if it all on your device. More bad news, it's primarily an IM app and it does not do pure VoIP.
gai-jin said:
Basically what I'm wanting is calls from my grand central number to get to my tilt via wifi, since I work underground where cell signal isn't available, but we have solid wifi coverage. I'm not worried about being able to make calls.
What's the best way to accomplish this, and can I do it without having to pay for another provider?
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I use Voipstunt, and I'm able to make and receive calls on my device. However you do have to pay for the service. And typically it will cost a little more if you want a dedicated number so you can receive POTS calls. In many (most) cases calls between SIP devices / VOIP software are free. Skype is probably the most common example of this.
I'm sure you're busy, as we all are, but as you have time you really should peruse this INCREDIBLY long but educational thread on VOIP. In a nutshell here's what's needed to do get what you're asking about. You will need a VOIP provider (probably NOT Packet8, I'm afraid), a soft phone application for Windows Mobile (I like SJPhone or X-Lite), and if you want to receive from a POTS line you will also need an incoming number from your VOIP provider (usually called a VOIP-In number). Hope this helps you a little. Good luck!
VOIP or not to VOIP
I use FRING http://www.fring.com/ It also handles other thinkgs such as Skype. I had a previous Skype account which is free obviously. Then all you do is load Fring and then you can put in your Skype account and it will upload all your Skype contacts. You can then select one of these and hit call. You are now making a VOIP call over your phones data stream to your friends computer. But if you are wanted to make VOIP calls to landlines actual home telephones or cell phones then that will cost you money and you will have to load skype credits an what not. But if you have an unlimited data plan (which most people do if you have a pocket pc) then you can just call people on your buddy list like if you were talking from your desktop. This way if your friend is online you can talk all you want and not use any of your regular minutes cuz its all working off your data plan. You must have a 3G connection though or it will not be fast enough.
FREE softphone/BYOD
Simply put, http://www.nch.com.au/talk/:)
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The Gizmo5 mobile client is Java based. It will run like crap if it all on your device. More bad news, it's primarily an IM app and it does not do pure VoIP.
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First of all, THANK YOU for your very detailed post. It is on point, and addresses my questions, and that's very much appreciated.
I did want to elaborate just a bit on the Gizmo option though. The only reason I specifically mention Gizmo is because that's the provider that grandcentral says it works with. Is it possible to use a good windows mobile voip client with gizmo service? If so, that would be ideal, since I could continue to receive calls to grand central, without having to pay for a seperate sip /voip-in service.
http://www.google.com/support/grandcentral/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=79951
I use Voipstunt, and I'm able to make and receive calls on my device. However you do have to pay for the service. And typically it will cost a little more if you want a dedicated number so you can receive POTS calls. In many (most) cases calls between SIP devices / VOIP software are free. Skype is probably the most common example of this.
I'm sure you're busy, as we all are, but as you have time you really should peruse this INCREDIBLY long but educational thread on VOIP. In a nutshell here's what's needed to do get what you're asking about. You will need a VOIP provider (probably NOT Packet8, I'm afraid), a soft phone application for Windows Mobile (I like SJPhone or X-Lite), and if you want to receive from a POTS line you will also need an incoming number from your VOIP provider (usually called a VOIP-In number). Hope this helps you a little. Good luck!
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Again, thanks for the info. I'll definitely check out that thread. I'm fine with using a different provider if need be, but somewhat hesitant just because calls would be going from pots to grandcentral to pots dialing the voip number, back to voip to get to my phone. (at least, I assume since GC only supports gizmo voip numbers, that they are actually forwarding to pots for any other calls outbound.) That just seems like a lot of transitions, which is why the gizmo would be my first choice if it can work with a better voip client.
Thanks again!
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I use FRING http://www.fring.com/ It also handles other thinkgs such as Skype. I had a previous Skype account which is free obviously. Then all you do is load Fring and then you can put in your Skype account and it will upload all your Skype contacts. You can then select one of these and hit call. You are now making a VOIP call over your phones data stream to your friends computer. But if you are wanted to make VOIP calls to landlines actual home telephones or cell phones then that will cost you money and you will have to load skype credits an what not. But if you have an unlimited data plan (which most people do if you have a pocket pc) then you can just call people on your buddy list like if you were talking from your desktop. This way if your friend is online you can talk all you want and not use any of your regular minutes cuz its all working off your data plan. You must have a 3G connection though or it will not be fast enough.
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Unfortunately, 3G isn't available around here, but as I said, I'm really looking for this to work over a wifi connection anyway, which should definitely be fast enough to handle the calls.
I'll check into fring, hopefully it can support the gizmo service as well!
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Packet8 is a non-standard VOIP provider. I believe you will need to download, install, and use their client. And that'll cost you over and above your existing service. Worse, I don't think it will get you what you want. Appears that you can make calls, but I'm not sure if you can receive them. I'm not a Packet8 user so I'm not certain of that. But since you are, I'd recommend contacting them to find out what's possible with their service using a mobile device.
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I've seen ads for the Mobiletalk service form packet8 before, but unless I'm mistaken it's intended for getting voip rates on international calls, not for everyday voip use for domestic calls. I'm downloading the app now to see if it can be used in that way, but if it does what I need I'll be surprised.
Whoops, looks like my initial understanding was correct:
Mobiletalk FAQ said:
How does MobileTalk work?
MobileTalk is a small software application that monitors your international calls and redirects it to the Packet8 service. When an international prefix is dialed (starting with 011, + or 1), MobileTalk intelligently redirects the call to an access number in the same area code as your mobile phone number, and connects the call over the Packet8 VoIP phone service network. To sign up click here.
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Seriously?
Did you not read my post? It is a free pocket pc softphone that you can use with any SIP/VoIp service, as long as you can get their network settings. As with the post earlier in the thread, VoipStunt provides a very reasonable service, and they provide settings for BYOD(bring your own device). You will find it here http://www.voipstunt.com/en/sipp.html But mainly you need a windows mobile softphone, http://www.nch.com.au/talk/index.html From there you have many more options on what service you use. Also try http://www.broadvoice.com/ they have many flavours of service.;-)
I am not sure this will do the job for you but google wengophone. They have a soft phone that will work on your Tilt. I have used it to make outgoing calls and works good. I have not tried it for incoming as I think my ATA would pick the incoming up first. All you need is your login, PW, proxie and domain server name. If you have those for Gizmo it should work.
Let us know if it does.
FWIW, I'm 75 or so pages into the 'log educational thread' mentioned above. Anyone who's starting on that thread, feel free to read from the beginning, but don't start installing stuff or mucking with settings until you've read all the way through. There are multiple revisions of the cabs and files needed, and it seems that the original posts don't get updated with the new info.
So far, my voip is working, using the windows mobile 6 client, with gizmo, so yes, it can be done, but it's only working on speakerphone currently. Still reading for more info.
I've just summarized a bit of what I've gathered so far from that long 'educational' thread pointed out by hotmail, on page 135 of the same thread. Hope that helps others!
Hello Everyone,
I tried running a search but couldn't find a lot on this topic pertaining to the Diamond. I was curious if anyone knew whether Visual Voicemail works on the Diamond with Rogers who is the service provider. I have an iPhone right now which has this capability built in and it works fine. However, I'm replacing the iPhone 3G with the Diamond and was curious if I will end up losing this capability. I know there's third party apps that can do some of this but am unaware of whether they would utilize the service provided by Rogers? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
I use Video Mail (same thing) on my Diamond without any third party apps. It's basically a combination of a Voicemail and a Video Call so you don't really need anything extra.
If it works on one operator, it should work on any operator that has Video Mail.
Ok Ive got the G1 1.5 UK update. Ive got sipdroid on my phone it launches and everything. Ive registered an account on pbxes.org. After that i have no idea. Can someone please help me out with a step by step on how to use this app and pbxes
You might not need to use pbxes.org at all, depending on who your SIP provider is. I use Gizmo5 and can connect directly to proxy01.sipphone.com just fine.
iptel did most of the development of Sipdroid, so it's understandable they would want to promote their service (like how Android on G1 is pretty Google-centric). However, it is afterall just a SIP client. Plug your SIP provider's info into sipdroid's configuration and see if it will connect.
Yeah how much do you pay for gizmo5 ?
It's like most other consumer SIP providers: free to make VOIP calls, but if you want to make a call to a PSTN number it will be billed per minute. You can see their call-out rates here and compare it with the rates of other SIP providers that offer a PSTN connection service.
Basic instructions on setting up Sipdroid posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=516861
Sipdroid suggestions for service
First let me say that I love this app! I have been waiting for something like this to come along and want to thank the developers!
I have been experimenting with Sipdroid for a couple of weeks and have a few suggstions for those that would like to try it. In my experience so far....Anything I have setup has to go through pbxes.org in order for it to function properly.
You can sign up for an account with a service like 12voip.com or voipbuster.com. They are the same company but each offers "Free" calls to different countries so look at their list of free calls/countries and decide which one works best for you. For about $10.00 you get 90 days of service (300 minutes a week of calling) through sip or regular phone (via a local access number). This was the least expensive way to go for testing. I'm sure someone can suggest other VOIP services but these have been the ones I have tested with so these are only suggestions.
pbxes.org also offers service so they are another alternative.
You will also need to configure these services through pbxes.org as they will not work directly through the sipdroid software. I tried and failed. I was able to make calls but could not hear the person on the other end. Once I set it up through pbxes.org it all worked fine. You can obtain the sip settings for them on their websites. You will need to enter that info into your pbxes.org account. Now remember, this will only be for outgoing calls. They do not suppy a real phone number for incoming calls. I think you can get a real number through pbxes.org but I'm not sure. You should be able to receive sip to sip calls which would be [email protected] or 12voip.com but I didn't bother even trying that.
For a SIP die hard another suggestion (this is what I have settled with and it is working perfectly) is to invest 39.95 and buy a Magic Jack. If you have one already and don't use it and it's still active use it for this!
You will be able to pick a US phone number with choice of state/city. With a little searching at magicjacksupport.com you can obtain your sip settings and have the magic without the jack! In other words, you can setup your magicjack sip settings through pbxes.org and make/receive calls over sip. Your magicjack does not have to be plugged into your computer! It has been working perfectly for me. This procedure IS NOT something that the makers of MagicJack support and I am sure they would not be to happy about it either! So if you decide to do this, you are doing it on your own and it is possible you may violate your MJ TOS! I have not had a problem and have been doing magicjack things for quite a while!
If someone dials my magicjack number the calls forward to pbxes.org and in turn forwards the calls via sip and my phone rings (first it shows my MJ number and then it shows the caller ID of the person calling) and I answer, LOL. By showing my MJ number first, this lets me know that the call is coming in over SIP.
Pure SIP in and out. I picked a local number for my area and let my friends know to call me on it and they dont know the difference. My phone doesn't seem to care either! I have not experienced a single dropped call. I have been using this over wifi and 3g. I don't suggest edge as it is just way to choppy but you can if you want.
While I have to give iptel props for spearheading the whole sipdroid project, I really prefer to keep my SIP relationship between my sip ua and my sip provider. A middleman like pbxes is really not necessary from a personal user perspective and also potentially adds more lag to the call.
A lot of people seem to like the Betamax sip providers for their various free call schemes, but there are always caveats (max length of call being the primary one) and the account management ui sucks quite a lot. The worst part is the rather unsophisticated nature of the site and service give me the impression of being unreliable or unprofessional. If I could connect to callcentric with sipdroid, I would be using that, but until then I am sticking with Gizmo5/sipphone.
By the way, there are various other ways to get a free DID (inbound number). I'm using the popular ipkall service, but once Google Voice goes live it will be pretty much the king of all free DID services.
p.s. Please continue discussion on Sipdroid in my Sipdroid primer thread, to keep things in one organized place.
Hi briangnyc,
How did you forward your call from MJ to Pbxes.org? What number do you use for Pbxes?
Thanks,
-Gus
Hi guys i got idea here, hope its possible, as android is open source, anything can be routed to anywhere, only if i had that talent to do programming on ANDROID i would have tried it. Look at picture and you would understand
why not just use the access number for your SIP provider? that way you can make a VoIP call for the cost of a normal phone call to the access number.
Callwithus is a good SIP provider for this purpose as it has reliable access numbers to use. I think Callcentric and voip.ms do as well.
what if i dont have local call number for my sip providers? only thing i can hope for best is this. Think of calling to USA while living in INDIA, when u dont have local access numbers nor do have internet.??
bhanvadia said:
Hi guys i got idea here, hope its possible, as android is open source, anything can be routed to anywhere, only if i had that talent to do programming on ANDROID i would have tried it. Look at picture and you would understand
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I'm probably missing something obvious, but why can't you just use the N1 to make the VOIP call directly?
all someone has to do is incorporate sip and stuff into a single program.
well nexus one is my primary phone and its always connected to internet, but my gf dont have nexus, nor do she got smartphone with voip, so if she wants to call there, and i m in office, i wanted something that can make that possible.
Almost free kind of calling, she call my NEXUS, and make my nexus dial her wanted number using SIP over WIFI, so virtually she talking through my NEXUS but speaking in her phone.
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what if i dont have local call number for my sip providers? only thing i can hope for best is this. Think of calling to USA while living in INDIA, when u dont have local access numbers nor do have internet.??
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In that case, Callwithus has a feature.. they have a special access number that doesn't actually pick up (so that you will not be charged). the system will then call you back and prompt you to enter the number you want to dial, routes it over VoIP, and you're connected. check it out.
it wont work. it would cost like double for me. and one more thing, its not that what i want or what i can?
its just IDEA so that XDA community can make it possible. Its like exploring possibility of Android OS, to make it as a SERVER to forward calls received in GSM, through VoIP.
Its something thats never been done, or never even tried by anyone.
The basic is
1st person calls nexus one phone [local number so it be cheap]
NEXUS pick up call automatically {developed server software running}
NEXUS beeps[this mean sipdorid active][so can now enter number (international, which could have been deep hole in pocked if called direct)]
1st person, enter desired number as DTMF, and press # to confirm.
NEXUS dials that number though VoIP SIPDROID. Phone connected. And join that VoIP call with GSM call.
bhanvadia said:
it wont work. it would cost like double for me. and one more thing, its not that what i want or what i can?
its just IDEA so that XDA community can make it possible. Its like exploring possibility of Android OS, to make it as a SERVER to forward calls received in GSM, through VoIP.
Its something thats never been done, or never even tried by anyone.
The basic is
1st person calls nexus one phone [local number so it be cheap]
NEXUS pick up call automatically {developed server software running}
NEXUS beeps[this mean sipdorid active][so can now enter number (international, which could have been deep hole in pocked if called direct)]
1st person, enter desired number as DTMF, and press # to confirm.
NEXUS dials that number though VoIP SIPDROID. Phone connected. And join that VoIP call with GSM call.
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That's the problem with the idea--there is currently no way to bridge the SIP call with the GSM call. Even call recorder apps (post-Donut) are not possible because Android does not allow access to the incoming audio. Even if somehow you compiled your own custom kernel and ROM to accomplish that, your problem would be that neither Sipdroid nor 3CXPhone allow bridging calls other than SIP (as they are native SIP clients that do not interface with GSM). Perhaps if Gingerbread gives access to incoming audio, something could be done.
as for the callback approach "costing double," that's just not true. Termination to India (landline and mobiles) is only 1 US cent. Plus, you will not be using any of your airtime credit because it will be an incoming call for you, so in the end you save quite a bit of money since you will only be paying the usual rate + 1 cent per minute. (So, a call to the U.S. would cost you a total of 1.9 cents/min, for example.)
That's the practical solution to your issue.
its not issue, and there are no number in that website for india. and one more thing, google allow us to control audio, thats how AUDIO mod came out, and also thats how A2DP bluetooth started to work on desire roms with FM. Plus if we see, sipdroid as opensource, and someone developes way to do that, i m sure sipdroid team will do it possible to use sip with that.
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its not issue, and there are no number in that website for india. and one more thing, google allow us to control audio, thats how AUDIO mod came out, and also thats how A2DP bluetooth started to work on desire roms with FM. Plus if we see, sipdroid as opensource, and someone developes way to do that, i m sure sipdroid team will do it possible to use sip with that.
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Unfortunately, as I said, Android does not expose the incoming audio stream from a GSM call.
That has nothing to do with FM radio or A2DP, since those are not related to GSM calls.
And you can indeed use Callwithus from India by using either the caller-ID based callback feature as I explained before, or by using their web callback feature. Either way, their system will call you and then connect the call and you will not have to use up any of your airtime credit since it would be an incoming call for you. You would pay the usual termination rate (plus the 1 cent/min charge for terminating your end of the call to your India number)