I came across Winterface last night.
I must say being an ipod touch owner I do like Winterface. The ability to have buttons for applications, contacts and settings all mixed up is great!
Also the slide function is very smooth. I have only found that sometimes its hard to press the buttons just right to activate them but that may just be fat fingers on my account.
I like Touch Flow but do find it a bit slow (even with the registry adjustments). I cannot update my rom as I cannot get a Hard SPL to load so Winterface is a nice alternative.
Three big problems for me:
1. No way to see upcoming appointments/tasks
2. Buttons are hard to press because the screen starts sliding
3. It's hard to get from the applications to the Winterface without closing them, if your OK button is set to Close. You have to get to the today screen and then make the finger move.
For me, it's unusable.
gave it a 30 minutes try on my Diamond.
Buggy buttons indeed - pressure issue with Diamond.
Would like to see Accelerometer support - shake and bake - switch screen or so.
I give it a fair 8/ for concept - a 3/ 10 for price (39USD is very expensive)
I will wait for Schaps UI
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Some day soon when the master chefs have totally pwned the HTD Diamond Rom I would love to see the following things happen on my device
1. When switching back to the TF3D home screen and the the time "Cards" fall down wouldn't it be cool if there was a very subtle feedback like in Teeter so you can feel the clock change
2. Some Feedback when sliding between pages in TF3D
3. A lot more G Sensor interaction, 2 shakes answers the call a quick flip over rejects the cal etc I know this will be hard to do and use as there will be a lot of unwanted motion when removing the phone from your pocket etc but it would still be cool.
4. Anti theft alarm. Set app and it gives you 10 seconds to put the phone down and then arms itself. if its picked up it beeps for 5 seconds until you put the pin in or it starts to scream "Help I'm Being Stolen" "Stop Thief Put me Down"
I'm sure there are loads more add your Diamond Dreams here
Jules
I have been using the kaiser since dec/2007 and not everything is working as expected.
Background - I have a second phone SE W880i and I am very satisfied with the user interface.
Do you think there will be ever an easy way to use the kaiser as phone such as a ordinary phone? I would expect the kaiser to be more than that...
Anyway, my questions are quite straightforward: (for now
1) How can I prevent the phone from waking up when I receive a text message? (because mostly something in my pocket touches the screen and calls my contacts)
2)How can I set up the function of the JOG (the wheel button on the side) (I would like to be able after holding the wheel a task manager to pop up and with the wheel to choose a running program and to activate it with a push of the wheel again)
3) Is there a dialer / dialer skin to enable really easy and accurate access of the number-pad with fingers?
If you know a program, solution or workaround, please let me know...
Edited: [First]Second Conclusion 14 September 2008
After reading the posts (see below), searching and testing I found a good solution for the Kaiser to fulfill its function as a phone using these components:
Dialer - Minimal dialer (fast, simple, easy to push the keys with fingers(thumb)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395086
Contats - iContact (either the original (now v0.8) or iContact BE (now v6.3.2b2) (very fast, finger friendly and has the functions you would expect)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395829
http://burt.vndv.com/
UI - PointUI 1.51a - it is very fast & smoothly, finger friendly and has most of the functions you would expect!
http://www.pointui.com/
http://forums.pointui.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=613 (customizing & tweaks - forum & links)
- on the same day I have posted the the above, I found a newly available UI
Touchflo2d/manilla - it is very fast & smoothly, finger friendly and much more rich on functions than PointUI. Also more rom&ram demanding! Its in beta but everything works ok (depends on your rom)! Now this is my choice!
original thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425851
other:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398173
(works only with htc devices)
->and if you use manilla, then a S2U2 is a very handy application for locking the keyboard.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412418
All the applications are free (but you can, of course, donate .
Drawbacks:
Dialer
- only white schema, I prefer black because of the battery endrance
- not sure yet how to change the sound of keys to quiet ticks (the same sound you hear when you delete the whole number by holding the delete key)
Contacts - ??? not found any (yet
UI
PointUI
- it is not optimised for the kaiser, so you can't use for example the ok button to go back in menu.
- This is the most complex part and everyone expect different functions
- no real customization
Manilla - it is too early (still first beta) to judge
-I could not find any customizing tools...
-a bit too heavy (with all the applications)
If you know a solution for the Drawbacks or you have a different experience, please let me know.
I use ROMeOS 4.5.3
If you wanted to use the kaiser as an ordinary phone, why did you buy one? I can tell you don't even extend the functionality past texting and calling.
1) If you use the locking function, that wouldn't be an issue. (Slide 2 unlock is a great program for those who toss their expensive brick into their pocket).
2) AE button plus to launch the task manager of your choice. (You might want to set it to launch the task manager on hold so you can jog down to the item of choice and press it without launching task manager again).
3) There is a bunch of dialers in the development section of XDA-developers. A quick search will return probably the most popular. As for finger friendly, the default dialer is more than enough. But i do recommend you to check out other dialers.
Thanx for your reply.
I use the kaiser form many purposes - browsing web(which now with the last version of Opera is really nice to use), gps navigation, store notes, skype..
But I would expect that it should be at last as good as an ordinary phone to make calls.
I will try the AE buttons.
The keys: Firstly I thought the dialer is nice to use, but then I had an iPhone in my hand, and is more accurate when using the num-pad. But its only a sw issue...
fredbred said:
Thanx for your reply.
I use the kaiser form many purposes - browsing web(which now with the last version of Opera is really nice to use), gps navigation, store notes, skype..
But I would expect that it should be at last as good as an ordinary phone to make calls.
I will try the AE buttons.
The keys: Firstly I thought the dialer is nice to use, but then I had an iPhone in my hand, and is more accurate when using the num-pad. But its only a sw issue...
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I think the best dialer for the kaiser is Minimal Dialer
snachez said:
I think the best dialer for the kaiser is Minimal Dialer
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Hi, the Minimal dialer is really very nice. Although it could have a bit more functions assigned to the hw keys, its the nicest touch keyboard I have seen on my phone
Thank you!
first conclusion
After some searching and testing I found a good solution for the Kaiser to fulfill its function as a phone using these components:
Dialer - Minimal dialer (fast, simple, easy to push the keys with fingers(thumb)
Contats - iContact (either the original (now v0.8) or iContact BE (now v6.3.2b2) (very fast, finger friendly and has the functions you would expect)
UI - PointUI 1.51a - it is very fast & smoothly, finger friendly and has most of the functions you would expect!
All the applications are free (but you can, of course, donate .
Drawbacks:
Dialer
- only white schema, I prefer black because of the battery endrance
- not sure yet how to change the sound of keys to quiet ticks (the same sound you hear when you delete the whole number by holding the delete key)
Contacts - ??? not found any (yet
UI
- it is not optimised for the kaiser, so you can't use for example the ok button to go back in menu.
- This is the most complex part and everyone expect different functions
- no real customization
If you know a solution for the Drawbacks or you have a different experience, please let me know.
S2U took care of my pocket call issues. So even if it wakes the touch screen isnt gonna dial your contacts
When using touch flow 3d, I keep on selecting things, rather than scrolling. Eg. if scrolling through people, rather than scrolling to the next person, I keep on actually selecting the person I was on. Is there ay sort of registry fix which will help with this?
Thanks
i don't know if there is a registry tweak for this but i had the same problem in my first couple of days with my diamond. all you have to do is practice a lot and you'll get the right movement of your thumb
I had the same problem, but after installing the new Swiftblade Rom it all went better its like the other ROM is too slow so that it forgets your thumbs is on the screen and then it just opens a Program.. all these problems totally disappeared with Swiftblade 6.0
Try this:
realign your screen, but barely touch it! just pres SUPER SOFT just hard enough to make the crosses react.
Then try scrolling again
Riel said:
Try this:
realign your screen, but barely touch it! just pres SUPER SOFT just hard enough to make the crosses react.
Then try scrolling again
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Thank you so much - this did the trick! When I originally configured it, I remember pressing down really hard - this time I pressed down as softly as possible, and it resolved the problem!
Thanks again!
Love my Diamond - though prob not nearly as tweaked as most of you have em
One thing I just don't like is the "iphone" type scrolling - flicking the screen up/down continually drives me mad.
My previous phone MDA Compact III - with pointui Home UI had a great directional scrolling facility which scrolled the screen fluidly in the drection the stylus or finger pushed - Pushing up/down on the right hand side of the screen srolled the a-z index (similar to Touchflo 3d contacts screen) and pushing up/down anywhere else on the screen scrolled the screen in the same direction - speed varied on pressure of push used.
video might give a better idea of what I mean ...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na7k2JfbgG8
Anyone know if this is available for the diamond or maybe someone far more savvy than me can develop it
Why don't you just install PointUI again if you liked using it on your last phone?
I like tf3d .... would just prefer the pointui style scrolling
I really enjoy this forum since it helps me a lot to increase the productivity with my HTC Touch Pro. I found many useful applications. Unfortunately, after installing a large number of them, I run into the infamous 32 processes limit of Windows Mobile. So I decided to write my own app that combines all the features that I find useful. It is implemented as a Pocket PC service, so it does not require an own process.
Here are the features:
- Better vibration for incoming calls. I found the built-in vibration function very annoying as it vibrates permanently during an incoming call. This extensions vibrates in pulses of 300 ms with a pause of one second when a call is incoming
- SIP changer depending on stylus state. If stylus is out, another soft input panel is selected as if stylus is in. Can be changed via the registry keys StylusInSIP and StylusOutSIP.
- Stroke Launcher. If the finger is stroked from one button to another, an application is launched.Four directions are possible: From home button to accept phone call button and vice versa as well as from back button to reject phone call button and vice versa. The applications can be configured via the RightUpApp, RightDownApp, LeftUpApp and LeftDownApp registry keys. The required length of the stroke can be configured via the GestureMinLen registry key. Unfortunately, the program has to poll HTC's NAV sensor directly in order to not disturb the functionality of the wheel sensor. The sleep time between two polls can be configured with the GesturePollingDelay (in ms). If you use very fast strokes and the device does not react, try to decrease this value.
- Key lock if device is face down. The key lock is activated and the device is powered off if it is turned face down. The key locked is acknowledged by two short vibrations. Key lock can be disabled depending on the foreground window or active process list. Exclude list can be specified via the ExcludedProcesses and ExcludedWindows registry keys. The tolerance for the face down detection can be configured via the FacedownTolerance registry key.
The registry settings for Buttler are stored in HKLM\Software\Butler. Each extension described above can be switched of by setting the EnableFeature registry key to 0.
As I have not much time to react on bugs or feature requests, I have also attached the source code. Fell free to modify my Butler but please publish it here so that we all can benefit from it.
The Butler service is started with the program "StartButler.exe" located in the Windows directory. I call it from a MortScript during device boot. It is important that HTC Touch Flo 3D is already loaded. For some reason, the gsensors can not be initialized if Touch Flo 3D is not loaded. Here is the code I use:
# Wait for TouchFlo3D
While(ProcExists("manila.exe")=0)
Sleep(1000)
EndWhile
# Start the butler
Run("\Windows\StartButler.exe")
Have fun!
Siggie
Change log:
V1.0:
- Initial release
V1.1:
- Reading of the NAV sensor completely rewritten. The sensor is now directly polled. This does not interfere with other programs, so the wheel sensor and the camera is working again.
- EnableFeature registry keys added for switching off each extension individually.
linuxis said:
New thread For Keyboard Slide Out Support:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3305730#post3305730
Updated CAB is there. Happy using.
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sounds like an excellent program, I'll try it
man, great app. it is totally replacing hbutton, and lets me start using voice commander again. two questions....can you list the other sip layout entries? i really want to use the full qwerty when the stylus is out and in. secondly, is there a way to define a diff lock such as s2u2 and then shut down. either way, the function is fine as is and really, thanks for sharing
I'm interest in Stroke Launcher more than the other apps. is there a chance you can provide a cab for just that portion of your application> I know it's contrary to your original intent (of combining apps) but that's the only one of those apps I really would want so I have the opposite- no desire to install any extra apps even if it's a single process Thanks.
about to give it a shot, sounds great
but i second the request to have s2u2 when put face down
noticed that if you delete the entries for sip, keeping the actual keys though. butler wont start. guess it still needs to check those values i was trying to get it to do nothing to my sip's and just keep full qwerty.
edit** here is the key for full qwerty {36BC8FF6-8241-4c36-ABDE-204885471FEE} and the other keys are all listed under HKCR/CLSID and look like this:
(HTC SIPs)
{198D503A-...} = Phone Keypad
{36BC8FF6-...} = Full QWERTY
{62B00599-...} = Compact QWERTY
(MS Default SIPs)
{42429667-...} = Keyboard
{42429690-...} = Letter Recognizer
{42429691-...} = Block Recognizer
{F0034DD0-...} = Transcriber
Maybe it would be easier to be able to just input the name
Sound great, I'll give it a try as well.
can you make it so that when it face down, the light turn off?
ok i figured out how to change what sip came when
and i turned off "facedown"
only problem is that the smart scroll such as zooming in opera and pics no longer works or autofocus in camera
Great app cannot go unrecognized!
so i downloaded and installed and forgot to make shortcut. A day after i just luanch it using fileexplorer with copy on storage card. Sounds like alot but considering i only reset once a week maybe... its not so bad.
After using it for a half day. I have to admit i was waiting for a way to use shortcuts with out using manilla. I am a RLtoday fan and i dont really use all of manilla features. I LOVE IT. I am considering removing Manilla all together. This has great potential for those of use that want alternatives to manilla.
This should really be placed in essentials.
Thank you.
**BTW cant get screen lock disabled, anyone have more detailed instructions for disabling face down lock?
to disable the lock i set the sensor threshold to 0
in the registry path that was said earlier in the thread
V1.1 available
I have added a new version that fixes the wheel sensor and camera problem. There are also now registry keys available to switch off each feature individually.
ok I dont know what happend but i installed this app and after a restart the keyboard pops up on the splash screen and the phone freezes.. I need a resolution fast. I really dotn want to hard reset. I have a lot of stuff i need back up.... Please help!!!
fuk it. had to hard reset.
any chance on just releasing stroke launcher as a standalone app so we don't need to install all and then disable them? Thanks
Exclude S2U2
How can I disable stroke launcher, when s2u2 is active? I tried to add S2U2(name of DWORD value=0) to ExcludedWindows and s2u2.exe to ExcludedProcesses, but stroke launcher is still active, any ideas?
Great App siggie1970,
Thanks .. I Think The most important thing to do now is to add a User Interface for the configuration..as it kinda hard to do it through the registry
thanks
Wow amazing programs are being released and 09 just started. Great name btw How are resources being used with this program? Since your combining apps perhaps you could work with the guy to incorporate his new alternative to gyrator/ screen tilt app.
bugsykoosh said:
any chance on just releasing stroke launcher as a standalone app so we don't need to install all and then disable them? Thanks
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that is not the purpose of the program
would it be possible to turn one of the sides into scrolling up and down?
like leave the left up and down for app launching but right side scrolling that would make it pretty much perfect for me
then of course a configurator, although i got it setup but no fun having to change on each new install
It sounds like a great program, thanks! Stroke Launcher, I like that one LOL