I came across Winterface last night.
I must say being an ipod touch owner I do like Winterface. The ability to have buttons for applications, contacts and settings all mixed up is great!
Also the slide function is very smooth. I have only found that sometimes its hard to press the buttons just right to activate them but that may just be fat fingers on my account.
I like Touch Flow but do find it a bit slow (even with the registry adjustments). I cannot update my rom as I cannot get a Hard SPL to load so Winterface is a nice alternative.
Three big problems for me:
1. No way to see upcoming appointments/tasks
2. Buttons are hard to press because the screen starts sliding
3. It's hard to get from the applications to the Winterface without closing them, if your OK button is set to Close. You have to get to the today screen and then make the finger move.
For me, it's unusable.
gave it a 30 minutes try on my Diamond.
Buggy buttons indeed - pressure issue with Diamond.
Would like to see Accelerometer support - shake and bake - switch screen or so.
I give it a fair 8/ for concept - a 3/ 10 for price (39USD is very expensive)
I will wait for Schaps UI
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
Koush said:
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
Riel said:
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur
Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
Is there anyone else that unwillingly selects itemswhile scrolling?
Often when i scroll down my latest calls i accidently calls someone as my finger scrolls the screen.
Is there any registry setting or anything that can be adjusted how long You have to press to do a selection. The problem is in Manila as well.
Example:
I select all programs under programs tab and scrolls down. Bam! Suddenly I have selected some other program while lifting and setting down my finger again to continue to scroll downwards.
HELP !!!!!
It's driving me nuts. (actually this is the only thing that bothers me with this phone) I used tohave an Iphone before.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406206&highlight=SmartTouch
this will alleviate some of the issues.
you can adjust the touch screen sensitivity but it may work against you in other applications.
the 'touch' itself is almost like a technique, press and hold down, then push upwards till almost top edge of screen and stop, repeat steps again if required. This method works well for me be it using TD, Touch series.
Is there a way to customize HTC Home? Like, can I change the look of it at all? Also, is there a way to make it finger scrollable, and also D-Pad scrollable? I know in some of the ROMs it's somewhat D-pad scrollable, but it seems to never work right.
I'd like to lower HTC Home to near the bottom of the screen (like Manilla) and make it more scrollable (like Manilla). I'd also like to customize the graphics, and possible add/remove icons.
Is there any way to do any of this? I know people are putting a ton of time into customizeng Manilla, but I would rather use HTC Home because of the whole landscape support thing.
Try Advance Config
Go here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470370
Scroll down to post #2 then download System Tools Cabs
It's a Zip file with all the system tools, and Advance Configuration is in there.
Once you install AC, run it, scroll to HTC home and unlock its position. This will enable it to scroll though, so if you have too many things on the home screen, the scroll bar will be on top of your htc home, make it looks ugly ~ but if you don't mind then try it out
finger scrollable?!!! You can use the Dpad, just press up or down untill one of the tap icon was selected, then press left or right to flip trough those taps... HTC Home is design to be light and fast ~ if you want all the complex M2D functions might as well just use M2D ~ sacrifice the buggy landscape mode.
-post removed- rant was here before(might come back) but im not sure what you mean. Do you mean by customizing HTC home changing the clock, tabs, etc.?
Well I was initially trying to make HTC Home look nicer- like M2D, and make it finger scrollable like M2D. I have since installed SPB Mobile Shell, and I no longer care about HTC Home.
I was just fed up with M2D and it's sluggish, buggy, no landscape, performance. M2D is nice to look at, and it is finger friendly as well. So I wanted to combine its looks, and its finger friendly operation, with the snappy performance and stability of HTC Home.
SPB Mobile Shell seems to do all of that, and plenty more...
well I found this http://www.touch-commander.com/
kaiserII101 said:
well I found this http://www.touch-commander.com/
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Looks retty nice. Similar to SPB Mobile Shell:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobileshell/
Looks to be a little cheaper than Mobile Shell.
I'm one of the 10% of left handed people in the world and was wondering if anybody had managed to make a rom for kaiser for us lefties if not then whats the best solution as the scroll bar on the right hand right means my hand is over the screen so i cant see while i have to scroll hope someone can shed some light on this
Try looking around here, although I don't remember seeing any left-handed ROMs there. As for the scroll bar, there was a thread about that in the Off-Topic forum a while ago, and although many agreed that it would be nice to do, nobody had the slightest idea how one would do so.
You might want to try a WM6.5 ROM, as they have excellent finger scrolling (so long as you disable Touchflo scrolling in Kaisertweak).
Dave
we should make a seperate lefties forum lol
I agree, for me, WM6.5 overall works great. Contact, home screen, app launcher scrolling were all seamless. and the old control panel type stuff is gone so you get to use the honeycomb to browse through the settings options.
for me it's way better than trying to use a tiny scroll bar no matter what side it's on.