I am intested in purchasing an unlocked Diamond that I can use on the T-Mobile USA network with my existing SIM card. I'm perfectly happy with EDGE speeds as I don't really use the PDA that much for work. (I use a Verizon 3G wireless card for my work on a laptop.) Plus I'm happy paying $19/month for EDGE compared to 60/month. I'm hoping to enable the 850MHz with the new ROM.
Do you recommend I wait for the GSM 3G US version of the Diamond to arrive? How long of a wait do you think?
If I decide to just get the EDGE only Diamond what is the best price and who would you recommend I purchase it from?
Thanks!
I'm too waiting for T-Mobile USA 3G to be available. It's very unlikely the Diamond will be on TMo USA in the next few months. (But then what do I know?) IFAIK, so far I the only T-Mo USA 3G phone leaked out is HTC Kaiser - http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=537
I bought my Diamond from this guy last week - http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-TOUCH-DIAMO...RKS-WITH-AT-T_W0QQitemZ140254188917QQihZ004QQ - it already comes 850 enabled by HTC.
I love the Diamond so far! There is occasional sound issue (I had it twice in the week I have the phone) but it's not a big deal for me compared to what I get with the phone.
2nd, you can buy them with 850mhz enabled (meaning everything works with T-Mobile but 3G) or you can flash it yourself easily. If you're okay with EDGE, look for any Diamond that's Quad-Band and you'll get everything you want.
i have had my quad band diamond for 2 days. Works great on T-Mobile. DOn't currently have 3G on t-mobile AFAIK here anyway. Switched from the Kaise which was LAME and TOO BIG
Just ordered mine tonight. Thanks for the feedback!
Actually, I just thought of something... If your area is a 3G zone with T-mobile (nowhere but LV yet I think), you'll get 3G as long as it's on the 2100mhz band and not the 1700mhz they also use. The Diamond has a 900/2100mhz UMTS band capability, so half of T-Mobile's 3G will work.
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I was wondering if the tilt will work in japan,being its a quad band phone?
1911luver said:
I was wondering if the tilt will work in japan,being its a quad band phone?
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If you want to use a local sim, then make sure your Tilt is unlocked, but, to answer your question, yes, it will work.
Yes, confirmed can use, given its quad band capabilities. However, note that I'm using HTC tytn II.
I doubt it will work everywhere. As far as I am aware, Japan predominantly uses CDMA and GSM availability is more limited. If you're in Tokyo you should be fine, but when I was in Osaka 18 months ago I didn't manage to find a signal at all...
You won't find GSM anywhere in Japan but should be able to find W-CDMA/HSPDA almost anywhere.
I am right now in Japan carrying an unlocked phone. It works just as well as anywhere. There is no GSM anywhere in Japan but the Tilt also supports WCDMA which is what is used here. Usual Quad band (850/900/188/1900 Mhz) GSM Only phones wont work in Japan.
Oops that should have read (850/900/1800/1900)
doesnt Japan uses 2100mhz WCDMA band just like rest of asia and europe? The Kaiser's WCDMA band has 850/1900/2100
I just passed through Narita 2 days ago and during the layover I turned on my Tilt. It picked up a DoCoMo HSDPA signal (I was surprised!).
So, I can confirm that at least as far as getting a signal goes, there is potential for it to work. However, I have no ideas about the prospect of getting a prepaid local SIM that would actually allow you to make and receive calls.
Japan uses WCDMA 2100 Mghz. I go to Japan every 2-3 months and my Tilt works just fine, from Tokyo, Shizuoka, Fuji, Osaka, Kyoto, and on and on. Only comment, power draw on the Japanese networks is noticiably higher than US or EU.
This is why I went to Tilt, for use in Japan and South Korea. I have successfully used the phone in Japan, S. Korea, China, Finland, Germany, Holland, France, UK, Poland, Russia, so far so good.
ATT Tilt does work in Japan!
Like said before, it does work.
I used it several times in Japan, on Softbank 3G and DoCoMo.
Note that I had my Tilt flashed with the original HTC Tytn II ROM.
Also, if you want cheap calls in Japan, get a United Mobile +423 SIM.
You cannot get a local SIM if you are not a resident in Japan.
It's free incoming calls and $0.45 for outgoing to most destinations.
Works great. See http://www.united-mobile.com
The ICQ Sim from the same company (http://www.icqsim.com/) should work too, but I haven't tested it.
Hello everyone! I'm wondering will this device work with AT&T service since it's just a triband phone, and, afaik, AT&T uses 850MHz as their primary frequency for GSM calls (depends on location) in NYC area.
Coverage maps are here:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
Specifically the 1900Mhz map is here and you can zoom in to your area and see: http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=us&net=be
[You can probably also find them some place on the AT&T website.]
Be aware tho that the diamond only does 3G at 900/2100, but AT&T use 850/1900. That means you won't be able to use 3G capabilities on AT&T anywhere.
I would either wait for the american version, or buy the 2G one they're selling in india for ~200$ less.
Thanks, man! Maybe i'll look at T-Mobile plans, looks like device will work with them
Well looking at the page it looks like T-Mobile have even less 1900 coverage (GSM). I don't know their current 3G situation, but they will be/are using 1700Mhz for 3G, which the diamond can't handle either
In the past HTC disabled 3G support on the S710 and S730 for use in the US because no US carrier 'supported' this phone. So although both were decent phones we couldn't use them at EDGE speeds.
Does anyone know if the Touch Diamond quad-band model works at 3G speeds with the US AT&T network?
Thanks!
Bill
Oh yes, beautifully.. Better yet, the Diamond is able to use HSDPA with AT&T, which is faster than 3G, as alleged as 3.5G
Mine is working too!
Didn't work at first but I woke up this morning and the E turned into an H.
Thanks for the feedback!!
I bought the unlocked US version from Best Buy, they matched web price, and I had the phone up and running on AT&T very quickly. There is an auto setup for AT&T users. Solid performance, H in my area, auto changes elsewhere.
It can beat my home dsl speeds while tethering when I am on the road. That rocks pretty hard imo. Just be aware that the euro version of the diamond which can be found on the internet and in the used market cannot be flashed to light up the US 3G freqs, it really is a hardware issue.
Does anyone know if this will also work with T-Mobiles 3G network or is the frequency on this phone not capable? I want to check before I bite the bullet on picking one up. Thanks!
Unfortunatly, it won't due to different bandwidth. AT&T uses UMTS 850/1900, whereas T-Mobile uses 1700. More details can be found in "US 3G First Look" in this thread.
Hi everyone--
I have an unmodded, "unlocked" at&t tilt that has a t-mobile gsm sim chip in it. I'm still running the WM6 that came in it, and can't seem to get access to the 3G speeds I know this thing is capable of. I've tried numerous software apps to "force" the phone to go 3G, to no avail. T-Mobile customer "support"--HAA! tells me I need a t-mobile phone to be able to take advantage of the 3G speeds. Needles to say, I feel this is a bunch of malarkey. T-Mobile put out this phone, did they not, and called it the "MDA Vario III"? Is there a rom for the mda that I could flash this thing with so I could get the 3G speeds? Or another rom perhaps? Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks!
tripp
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trippster said:
Hi everyone--
I have an unmodded, "unlocked" at&t tilt that has a t-mobile gsm sim chip in it. I'm still running the WM6 that came in it, and can't seem to get access to the 3G speeds I know this thing is capable of. I've tried numerous software apps to "force" the phone to go 3G, to no avail. T-Mobile customer "support"--HAA! tells me I need a t-mobile phone to be able to take advantage of the 3G speeds. Needles to say, I feel this is a bunch of malarkey. T-Mobile put out this phone, did they not, and called it the "MDA Vario III"? Is there a rom for the mda that I could flash this thing with so I could get the 3G speeds? Or another rom perhaps? Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks!
tripp
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Unfortunately, the malarkey is the truth! Because T-Mobile runs its 3G network on a different band than the Tilt is capable of! Sorry, this also effects me as I am a T-Mobile customer using a Tilt as well! My advice is to use Opera mini 4.2 for your internet browsing it is very fast on the Edge network!
The T-Mobile you refer to is European
It does not run on the same 3G as the US T-Mobile. The US T-Mobile uses 1700 Mhz and 2100 Mhz, I believe. The Tilt does not use the 1700 Mhz band. There was a rumor going around that there would be a new version of the Kaiser (KAIS140) that would use the US T-Mobile 3G bands but it was never released for sale. I don't think it will since it is pretty much at the end of the life cycle of the phone. They (HTC) have moved on to newer models with more features. If you would like to use the US 3G and live in an area with 3G, The T-Mobile G1 (HTC Dream) uses T-Mo 3G and has its own section on this forum.
bleh. newer models should still freaking tilt. that is the coolest thing about this phone. and it's pretty solid construction. my friend has had his over a year and its still going strong.
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Unfortunately, the malarkey is the truth! Because T-Mobile runs its 3G network on a different band than the Tilt is capable of! Sorry, this also effects me as I am a T-Mobile customer using a Tilt as well! My advice is to use Opera mini 4.2 for your internet browsing it is very fast on the Edge network!
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I thought the Tilt accessed 3G through it's tri band frequencies 850/1900/2100Mhz so that it could connect to most 3G networks worldwide, making it a world business tool for users?
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I thought the Tilt accessed 3G through it's tri band frequencies 850/1900/2100Mhz so that it could connect to most 3G networks worldwide, making it a world business tool for users?
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True but T-Mobile uses the 1700 for upload and 2100 for download. ATT uses 1900 for both.
I can't tell, 3 different places 3 different freqs for UMTS.
Can someone tell me if this phone can use 3G with AT&T in US?
The X1a will get 3G practically everywhere it exists for AT&T. The X1a tends to be a bit more expensive than the X1i.
The X1i will only get it in certain areas where there is 1900MHz 3G. AT&T is moving towards 850MHz, so it wouldn't be very wise to use the X1i unless you're sure there is strong 1900MHz 3G in your area.
If you are interested in purchasing an X1a, you can also gets the Rogers (Canadian) version which supports AT&T's 3G network. You can find a couple of offers on HowardForums.com. If you're lucky, you can get one of these brand new for under $500. This version is also said not to have the common 'cracking' issue of the X1, but only time will tell.
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The X1a will get 3G practically everywhere it exists for AT&T. The X1a tends to be a bit more expensive than the X1i.
The X1i will only get it in certain areas where there is 1900MHz 3G. AT&T is moving towards 850MHz, so it wouldn't be very wise to use the X1i unless you're sure there is strong 1900MHz 3G in your area.
If you are interested in purchasing an X1a, you can also gets the Rogers (Canadian) version which supports AT&T's 3G network. You can find a couple of offers on HowardForums.com. If you're lucky, you can get one of these brand new for under $500. This version is also said not to have the common 'cracking' issue of the X1, but only time will tell.
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Thanks for the info, found an X1a unlocked open box $395.