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TCPMP video over Wifi

Hey all,
one of my first posts here at XDA-dev, been reading for ages but have become more vocal since picking up my Kaiser.
I would like to know how other peoples' experiences with the device have gone in regards to streaming video over Wifi to your device.
Let me explain a bit better: I'm in the kitchen whipping up some dinner and decide to watch some divx encoded anime on my Kaiser. I fire up Resco network explorer and browse my PCs network shares and find a file, select it and execute it.
The problem I am encountering is that either the device or the player are struggling to keep up. I know for a fact that all my other devices like other desktops and laptops stream no problem.
Finding that the Kaiser plays for 5 or so seconds no worries then up pops the 'processing' wheel/indicator in the middle of the screen.
If I'm not mistaken, it's either a) downloading more data to cache or b) it can't keep up and needs to process it further.
What confuses me is that the same encode running off the microSD card (not even SDHC) runs perfectly.
If you could share your thoughts/experiences or tweaks that would be great!
Thanks in advance.

bishopau said:
Hey all,
one of my first posts here at XDA-dev, been reading for ages but have become more vocal since picking up my Kaiser.
I would like to know how other peoples' experiences with the device have gone in regards to streaming video over Wifi to your device.
Let me explain a bit better: I'm in the kitchen whipping up some dinner and decide to watch some divx encoded anime on my Kaiser. I fire up Resco network explorer and browse my PCs network shares and find a file, select it and execute it.
The problem I am encountering is that either the device or the player are struggling to keep up. I know for a fact that all my other devices like other desktops and laptops stream no problem.
Finding that the Kaiser plays for 5 or so seconds no worries then up pops the 'processing' wheel/indicator in the middle of the screen.
If I'm not mistaken, it's either a) downloading more data to cache or b) it can't keep up and needs to process it further.
What confuses me is that the same encode running off the microSD card (not even SDHC) runs perfectly.
If you could share your thoughts/experiences or tweaks that would be great!
Thanks in advance.
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You Kaiser can't handle streaming video that was meant for the processing power of your PC. You can try ORB which will work a lot better.

In my long experience with WM, downloading itself uses a lot of processing cycles, so transferring and decoding data at the same time does not work very well, unless one of them is not very demanding.
Surur

hrmm good points all around, I will give orb a try
Thanks kindly

I have encounter the same when I was testing stream video to my cell. I have tweak the buffer on TCPMP and it didnt work that well. I believe the problem in on the video size. You may have to convert it to 240x320 screen size. I have tested on Final Fantasy VII. It was a 1.3Gb file and converted to 240x320 in MP4. The file size is 485mb. It works great. The picture is sharp by compare to original video.
Orb maybe a solution, but if you are a P2P user. It will slow down your upload speed.
The program I am using to convert to 240x320 is " Cucusoft iPod Movie-Video Converter v3.12 " . This is a older version, but it can covert AVI, Divx, RM & RMVB file to MP4. As long as you have the correct decoder in your PC, it can decode almost anything. This software is design for iPod video, but TCPMP support MP4. Which makes this a great tool for convert video to smaller size. Best of all, it does batch video conversion. Which means just drag all the video that you want to convert in to the program and just hit convert button. I have a lot of good quality MTV clips and the size are from 25mb to 60mb. It helped me carry more videos on my 4Gb SD card.

Videos on Tilt

I was watching Transformers yesterday and today i watched another movie on my tilt. I realized that the movie lags a bit and quality isn't that good. The movies are dvdrips, however when playing you can see a lot of blurry squares at times. Also the sound is horrible. The sound about half a second later after the character actually mouths what is being said. So i can i fix these two problems? I am using TCPMP so any help with the settings on how to solve the issues would be great. Thanks

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I know people here are saying they are having media problems with the Kaiser and the video hardware could be implemented better, but I must have a different WM device because I don't have half of these problems!
First of all check the file you have converted by watching it on your PC. Some freeware conversion packages are crap and audio lagging and 'blocking' are present in the converted files.
Secondly, make sure you have converted to a reasonable screen resolution and frame rate. Playing anything above a 640x480 res on any PDA causes it to convert 'on the fly' and slows down playback.
I have many films in avi (not DivX!) format on a WLHDD2.5 wireless HDD and can play them very well over WiFi (use Resco Explorer to access network drive).

Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!

Farsquidge said:
I know people here are saying they are having media problems with the Kaiser and the video hardware could be implemented better, but I must have a different WM device because I don't have half of these problems!
First of all check the file you have converted by watching it on your PC. Some freeware conversion packages are crap and audio lagging and 'blocking' are present in the converted files.
Secondly, make sure you have converted to a reasonable screen resolution and frame rate. Playing anything above a 640x480 res on any PDA causes it to convert 'on the fly' and slows down playback.
I have many films in avi (not DivX!) format on a WLHDD2.5 wireless HDD and can play them very well over WiFi (use Resco Explorer to access network drive).
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Amen, If you re encode movies correctly they play just fine on a tilt. I watch mine all the time even with BT headphones on which stress the cpu and the tilt even more. I change the audio sync to -0.500 for the headphones and -0.250 for regular viewing in coreplayer and the audio and video is perfectly in sync. I tryed the new version of coreplayer and the quality is superb. I quess thats why I have a dvd player also. I really dont need to watch a 4 gig dvd file on my tilt when a few minutes encoding it properly works just fine to throw it on my 6 gig sd card at a puny 250 meg file then. I have no skips, artifacts, or crappy picture. Most people are amazed when they see it playing on my tilts screen. Its a ppc phone. If I want a cinematic experince, I fire up my HD dlp projector and watch it on the 12 foot screen at home.

Me too . I'm watching live free or die hard now. Have seen about 3 movies on my Tilt and s9 headphones and it's great! PM me if you want the link for the movie(s).

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Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!
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Wow, must have dug deep to find this old thread!!

lol, that's what i realized to. I saw transformers like a couple months back! Now watching other movies.

Re-encoding and audio syncing covered in this thread

FDARCE said:
Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!
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Although not addressed to me, you ought to convert a dvd that you already have, or rip if off a website first. In order to convert a dvd movie, you do need conversion software. There are literally numerous recommended software to enable you to do this.
Although this one is not perfect, I use a software called 'super' on my laptop. It is freeware by the way and probably is not as top notch as paid for products. I've also never converted a full movie length video as well, just clips. But I assume it would work.
Once its converted, copy the converted movie to your memory card (if you have one) or your device. (The former is more ideal however)
I think it has also been inferred that you don't have to have conversion software to play a dvd movie on your device, but it will consume alot of your memory if you put a 700MB movie on your device

Which is why you use software such as Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn to shrink the file down to 320 x 240, turning an 800MB file to 200MB.
Also with Ashampoo, you can tell it what size you're aiming for, so if you want the file to shrink to 100MB, it will tell you what sort of quality it will be. but I usually shrink mine down to between 170MB - 300MB, depending on the length of the film.

Audio said:
Which is why you use software such as Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn to shrink the file down to 320 x 240, turning an 800MB file to 200MB.
Also with Ashampoo, you can tell it what size you're aiming for, so if you want the file to shrink to 100MB, it will tell you what sort of quality it will be. but I usually shrink mine down to between 170MB - 300MB, depending on the length of the film.
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Audio..I have never tried Ashampoo, you have me intriged now as I usually two a two step process.
Cheers.

Audio,
How is the video playback when you shrink your movie down to 170MB - 300MB? Do you get lags and a lip sync effect?

Video playback is fine. No lag, it's just like watching a standard movie on a tiny screen . I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread

Audio said:
Video playback is fine. No lag, it's just like watching a standard movie on a tiny screen . I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread
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Thanks for this Audio! I'm about to try it now
One more question, do you use Ashampoo Movie and Shrink or Kingdia Video Converter? On this thread you mentioned Ashampoo, and on the other thread you mentioned Kingdia Video Converter

I use Kingdia to convert my files to .avi format, then Ashampoo to shrink them down to 320 x 240. Although thinking about it, i've never actually tried to shrink any other type of file format using ashampoo, perhaps you can shrink .mp4/.wmv/etc straight to .avi using ashampoo, give a try and let me know!

Audio said:
I use Kingdia to convert my files to .avi format, then Ashampoo to shrink them down to 320 x 240. Although thinking about it, i've never actually tried to shrink any other type of file format using ashampoo, perhaps you can shrink .mp4/.wmv/etc straight to .avi using ashampoo, give a try and let me know!
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I should have your read your first post in the other thread properly. Yes, I see why you use both Ashampoo and Kingdia. I'll try it. May take me a while though
I don't normally have my video clips at AVI format. I normally have it a 3GP or MPG. Why AVI?
"I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread"
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I was wondering if to sync your audio at -200, do you have to go to 'Settings' and then 'buffering' and then change the figure in 'preload for audio' to '-200 kb'

Well I use .avi as it's good compression, you could have a film in .wmv that is about 2GB, whereas in .avi it'd only be 700MB.
As for your seconf question, to sync your audio in TCPMP, go to Options > Select Page > Advanced, and you're looking for the "Manual A/V offset +/-" box. And I actually lied, mine's currently set to -270, not - 200. But it depends how much faster your eyes work compared to your ears

Audio said:
Well I use .avi as it's good compression, you could have a film in .wmv that is about 2GB, whereas in .avi it'd only be 700MB.
As for your seconf question, to sync your audio in TCPMP, go to Options > Select Page > Advanced, and you're looking for the "Manual A/V offset +/-" box. And I actually lied, mine's currently set to -270, not - 200. But it depends how much faster your eyes work compared to your ears
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I'll be putting those values in now. Thanks again. But I still would have thought converting a movie to '3GP' would save alot more space, but the quality of the video would probably be poorer. I've noticed this when using the programme 'Super' to convert video clips to 3GP in comparison to converting the very same video clips to MPG. I assume that AVI and MPG file sizes can't be too different...
And I just stumbled upon this in your other thread:
Hi plchan,
to be perfectly honest, I've no idea how other file types play, as all the films I "Source" are mostly .avi's anyway. However TCPMP has codec for loads of different file types, so I don't see a problem with Shrinking different file types straight to 320 x 240.
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I'll try keeping the video type to its original if TCPMP will play it anyway. Plus, the quality of the video always detoriate whenever you encode.
A random question- In your sig, I notice you are endorsing 'mini opera'. I was wondering which out of 'mini opera' or 'mobile opera' is the better for a kaiser

For web browser's, you're probably better off reading this thread. The reason I use Opera Mini, is because I enjoy the zoom ability that you get. I.E when you open a webpage, you see all the webpage, then you can just press on the bit you want to zoom into. But the minute Opera Mobile 9 comes out, I'll be getting it . That Skyfire that's made an appearance also seems to look VERY interesting, probably going to be a good competitor for Opera Mobile 9, as is Microsoft's Deepfish browser. It's all very exciting.... lol.

What video settings work (all rants off please :) )

I think most of the active members are aware of the video difficulties SO please (please, please) turn your rants off for this thread. What I am trying to find is a combination of settings that DO work.
My preferred codec is MP4.
From some suggestions in other threads, I have tried these encoding settings.
Screen resolution: 320x240
Frames Per Second: 30
Kbps: 300
Audio codec: [email protected]
...and I am playing back on TCPMP 0.72RC1 using these settings
Options/Video: Raw FrameBuffer
Options/Video/Dither: Off
Options/Video/Pixel Aspect Ratio: Auto
Options/Settings/Advanced/Slow Video Memory: On
Options/Settings/Buffering/Preload at Underrun: 85%
Using this, all I get for video is about 1 frame every 3 seconds. Audio is fine.
So can anyone add this this for getting MP4 to work?
Do I need to use a different codec? If so, I would prefer something other then AVI, since I have a mixed environment. Does anyone have suggestions on the best cross platform Codec, that has work well on the Kaiser?

I'd be interested in this too. I can play back videos taken from the video camera flawlessly but when trying to encode them to the same MP4 codec they can get choppy. Not sure what gives :0

Using WMV here
I couldn't get the mp4 output from my ATI Multimedia Centre software to work at all on my TyTN II so I've settled on WMV 9 at 352 x 288 resolution and 372 kbps (thats at 15 fps). Anything with higher bit rate than that seems to cause problems with to much screen tearing during fast movement scenes.

You might want to follow this thread... seams that the Core Player is attacking this known problem for the Tilt. I'm by no means an expert on this, but seems like the Qualcomm QTV technology for the video has some issues:
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.0

I use PDXE, Lathe, and a few others to encode Divx videos at 320x240 video quality at "28" audio in stereo at 96 or 128k MP3 with a total bitrate under 500k (usually shoot for 475kbps). If the encoder allows it, for portable video I bump the audio volume by 15% and I increase brightness as well. To me most movies look darker on the small screen. If cropping is allowed I crop widescreen content, cutting off some of the sides of the picture to get closer to the 3:4 ratio of PDA screen. I also like to turn the brightness down as much as possible to increase battery life so the bump in brightness helps there as well. An average movie 1:50 length is about 480MB
I've used Core and TCPMP (currently using TCPMP for the youtube capability) and use Rawframe buffer as well. I'm sure that Core 1.2 will make things even better.
I get 30FPS and normal fluid video, looks like my other 8525, hx4700, and Archos 320 and 400 units with crisp clear video, no complaints.

This MP4 doesnt play on my pc only the phone???
Flying Kiwi said:
I couldn't get the mp4 output from my ATI Multimedia Centre software to work at all on my TyTN II so I've settled on WMV 9 at 352 x 288 resolution and 372 kbps (thats at 15 fps). Anything with higher bit rate than that seems to cause problems with to much screen tearing during fast movement scenes.
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This MP4 doesnt play on my pc only onthe phone???
I have an TiLt and when i try to record videos on my phone in MP4, it appears to work fine and i can play it back on my phone using TCPMP. but when i try to run this on my computer rnning vista it only shows video with no sound.
What can be causing this, is there a way to fix this and has anyone else noticed this..
ps. i hope ths has not been spoken about b4, i hate sounding like a nubie

zulualpha7 said:
This MP4 doesnt play on my pc only onthe phone???
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There's lots avout video formats in the wiki here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=The H.264 (a.k.a. MPEG-4 Part 10 and AVC) Bible
FWIW my mp4s recorded on my TyTN II wont playback on my PC either, it's simply a case of finding a suitable codec.

recorded videos on Tilt not playing on vista with sound!! I GOT IT FIXXX
Flying Kiwi said:
There's lots avout video formats in the wiki here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=The H.264 (a.k.a. MPEG-4 Part 10 and AVC) Bible
FWIW my mp4s recorded on my TyTN II wont playback on my PC either, it's simply a case of finding a suitable codec.
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Hey thanx for the reply but VLC is what i got installed and doesnt work, thought someone else had the same issue like mine. The .MP4 files that the TiLT records doesnt playback properly. PROBLEM is : I get the video portion just fine, but no sound. I have the. I tried in Media Player, VLC, QuickTime, RealPlayer, etc.... All the same... video plays but no sound.
I googled the issue and found out some other HTC phone users got it too and a couple solutions i found are.
1. In QuickTime it says: "Error 2041 - Invalid sample description in movie"
Solution: Checked the Apple.com or quicktime forums, if you use quicktime, change the file name from .MP4 to .3GP and it will work, it will not work otherwise. (if you dont know how to rename the files or dont see extension, Windows vista or XP go to tools>folder options>view>uncheck hide file extensions for known file types and voila)
2. Since I did so much reading on this, I got a new player (KMPlayer) that beats vlc in my books it plays the files recorded from the tilt just fine unlike VLC latest build, its fast and does all vlc does but it has a better GUI and plays anything you throw at it. you can get kmplayer here
Conclusion: The TiLt is fine, just that I couldnt get the right player to run the video files it records. apparently there is some issue with the qualcomm processor and the video output files of .MP4, some others have reported issues with any .MP4 files and had to do the same listed above.
Hope this helps someone here...

if you want an mp4 player on your pc for free, go to nokia.com

zulualpha7 said:
Hey thanx for the reply but VLC is what i got installed and doesnt work, thought someone else had the same issue like mine. The .MP4 files that the TiLT records doesnt playback properly. PROBLEM is : I get the video portion just fine, but no sound. I have the. I tried in Media Player, VLC, QuickTime, RealPlayer, etc.... All the same... video plays but no sound.
I googled the issue and found out some other HTC phone users got it too and a couple solutions i found are.
1. In QuickTime it says: "Error 2041 - Invalid sample description in movie"
Solution: Checked the Apple.com or quicktime forums, if you use quicktime, change the file name from .MP4 to .3GP and it will work, it will not work otherwise. (if you dont know how to rename the files or dont see extension, Windows vista or XP go to tools>folder options>view>uncheck hide file extensions for known file types and voila)
2. Since I did so much reading on this, I got a new player (KMPlayer) that beats vlc in my books it plays the files recorded from the tilt just fine unlike VLC latest build, its fast and does all vlc does but it has a better GUI and plays anything you throw at it. you can get kmplayer here
Conclusion: The TiLt is fine, just that I couldnt get the right player to run the video files it records. apparently there is some issue with the qualcomm processor and the video output files of .MP4, some others have reported issues with any .MP4 files and had to do the same listed above.
Hope this helps someone here...
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MANY THANKS! zulualpha7,
I have had the error 2041 problem for a long time and have never been able to play vids recorded on my TyTn II on my PC.
I almost installed various codec packs as other forum members have done but after reading about potential problems of having multiple codecs for same file type and upsetting the system I decided not to do this.
I have some really important 'once in a lifetime' family moments like my friend's son catching his first fish etc... I though they were all lost for ever.
I just downloaded latest Quicktime and renamed file extensions to ".3gp" like you said and now I can watch everything!!!!
Thank you so much this really has been a big improvement for me.
ONCE AGAIN THIS FORUM ROCKS! Thanks to everyone for so much fantastic helpful info.

What programs are people using to convert your videos?

Hi,
I am having a play around with Core Player 1.2.1 and am so far finding it great! I just wondered what people are currently using to convert their video files to the 320x240 native screen size.
So far I have tried:
A large 640xsomething Xvid file - picture is awesome but on some high action scenes its dropping a few frames
The same file converted with SPB Mobile DVD (Divx 25fps 500kbps) - Smooth throughout but lost a lot of quality
Whats the best app for converting to the smaller video size but keeping the quality?
Cheers,
Michael

http://www.soft32.com/download/63-58732/WMEncoder.exe

cyberkid2002 said:
Hi,
I am having a play around with Core Player 1.2.1 and am so far finding it great! I just wondered what people are currently using to convert their video files to the 320x240 native screen size.
So far I have tried:
A large 640xsomething Xvid file - picture is awesome but on some high action scenes its dropping a few frames
The same file converted with SPB Mobile DVD (Divx 25fps 500kbps) - Smooth throughout but lost a lot of quality
Whats the best app for converting to the smaller video size but keeping the quality?
Cheers,
Michael
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Hi dude
i generally use "cucusoft ultimate-dvd-video-converter-suite", using the 3gpp format with good video/sound quality and with about the half size than a normal divx (.avi) video!!i'm very satisfied with it!!
However there are many others good too, try to search on google!!
...and above all, it depend on which encoder (and settings) you use!!!
Ciao

You should look for something called Super C. It's a free encoder and I really like it a lot and seems like its pretty powerful too. Give it a try.

What I use for video
I basically use Pocket DVD Studio to convert video files from DVD or video files from itunes. It basically encodes the video as WMV with 320x240 resolution. It works very well for me. No complaints.

Spb Mobile DVD. Not free but works great!
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobiledvd/?en

2 free ones, generally I use the first one:
PocketDivxEncoder
VirtualDub

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Spb Mobile DVD. Not free but works great!
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobiledvd/?en
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I second that. The best part about it is it can any video provided your pc has the codecs. If your WMP can open it, it too can encode it as it uses the internal codecs of the computer rather than using a given set of codecs.
highly recommended

[Encoding Movies] best program, settings?

Hiya,
Since all my old music video's are in 320x240 format I'd like to re-encode my ORIGINAL music video files into 640x480 format.
Until now I've been using Nero Recode which gave me ease of use and a pretty nice result.
What program(s) are you using to encode your material and what settings?
I know the Diamond can pretty much play a divx/xvid without re-encoding, but I'd like a smaller filesize so I can place more files on it.

pocketdivx encoder is free, simple to use and produces good results

I use SPB Mobile

Thx for the suggestions.
I've been searching/reading a bit and I'm not an encoding expert, but from what I've read the best possible format would be H.264/AVC?
It would be awesome to get such an awesome movie quality that 'certain other brand phone users' would turn green in envy
My search continues!
Check THIS out for alot of info on the H264 format

I've tested a bit around with encoding Movie files.
Under Windows i become good results with Super from eRightSoft
But i use the most time Linux Debian. There is "AviDemux" you're friend
I'd converted some of my Musicclips in MP4 with AviDemux. In advance:
"MPEG-4 ASP Xvid" at "800KBit VBR"
"AAC (FAAC)" Audio at "128KBit"
Super from eRightSoft in advance:
"H.264 AVC" at "1000KBit CBR"
"AAC (LC)" at "128KBit" Audio
The results seems very pretty so far. But the video seems to stuck if the Bitrate is more than 1100KBit. All tested with Mobile Windows Media Player, because i dont have Coreplayer at the moment.
The old TCMP 0.xx gives an horrorble output. Too many framedrops etc.
Which formats are natively supported from the Qualcomm Chipset, knows that anyone ?