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I apologize in advance if my questions are trivial and I am just dense.
I am pretty sure I've read through all the threads for "n00bs" but I still can't get a grasp of what exactly hardSPL does or is. I ran the search function and found that I don't NEED it per say and has claimed that it actually is "safer" to use USPL.
I own a Tmobile Wing (IPL > 4.xxx)
1. What exactly is the difference between USPL and hardSPL?
2. What are the limitations of either one.. will flashing a cooked rom without hardSPL cause problems?
3. I currently have flashed the newest Open Touch 4.0 and haven't had any problems at all (USPL), but I noticed in the thread for Touch-IT, it says that hardSPL is required. What does that mean exactly? If I flashed it w/o hardSPL.. will my wing crash/brick?
4. At some point, I'd like to sell the phone, so I don't want to do anything that is irreversible. My understanding was USPL is reversible, hardSPL is not?
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
Essentially what you are doing is changing the Bootloader so you can install a different ROM regardless if it's signed.
USPL and HardSPL is a matter of having it done temporarely or permenantly.
USPL (temporary), is the safe route. This will allow you to Install one USPL capable ROMs per USPL. So if you're not a big flasher, and thinking about selling your phone in the near future, then you might want to stick to this method.
HardSPL (permenant), is the only TRUE way of bricking your phone. You will flash the bootloader for good so that you can constantly flash new ROMs without having to worry about flashing your bootloader of making sure it's a signed ROM. For heavy flashers, like myself, this is the ideal route.
HardSPL is reversible, there are some threads on how to do that. If I remember correctly, you have to flash back to a Stock T-Mo ROM.
Some ROMs require HardSPL because sometimes the cooks use different methods to flash ROMs onto devices other than ActiveSync (which is needed for flashing via USPL).
For example, ttran001's Open Touch V4.0 Micro ROM flashes onto your device using your SDCard, the phone is never connected to you PC so no opertunity to USPL. If it was not HardSPL'd, the ROM would be rejected. If it was, the flash would continue flawlessly.
I hope this answers your questions, and please, if I got anything wrong, correct me.
Regards,
three4seven said:
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
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Oh and from what I understand, installing those cabs wont hurt your device if you dont HardSPL. I believe you can uninstall them from the "remove program" which can be found under Settings/System/Remove Programs.
Everyone's allowed a Noob question every now and then I only know all this info because I read, so im sure if you read u'll be just fine.
nKiwan, thanks for quick and throrough reply
I get a little lost with this:
nKiwan said:
This will allow you to Install one USPL capable ROMs per USPL.
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what does that mean exactly?
perhaps I should start by asking the USPL acronym stands for - I've googled it and I couldn't find the right acronym.
From my understanding.. the only real difference (besides one uspl rom per uspl vs infinite - i'm still a little hazy on that) is that hardSPL allows for flashing outside of activesync?
thanks again... I swear I tried my best using the search function and reading
Well, correct me if i'm wrong, if you do not HardSPL, then you must USPL your device everytime you wish to flash your device. This will temporarely change your bootloader so it will allow you to flash a non signed ROM, a.k.a. an "outside" ROM. USPL capable ROMs, are ROMs that you can flash using USPL, therefore, ActiveSync.
Well there are two differences I guess... HardSPL, basically, allows for flashing outside of ActiveSync; and will allow you to flash any ROM as many times as you would like, once HardSPL'd.
As far as the acronym goes, I have NO clue lol. Never bothered to find out, I guess it would be helpful to know .
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Well, correct me if i'm wrong, if you do not HardSPL, then you must USPL your device everytime you wish to flash your device.
hardSPL.... will allow you to flash any ROM as many times as you would like, once HardSPL'd.
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Technically then.. I could also flash any rom as many times as I want using USPL as long as I run USPL.exe? I read the flashing guide several times. The only difference I found was that you run USPL.exe and it goes through a loader instead of just running the RUU flaser. Is that right?
i apologize once again if I am being incredibly dense.
thanks again for putting up with my n00bness
there ya go! you got it. As you become more experienced you'll start to understand the need of HardSPL.
I was once a noob myself, so i understand where u coming from . Just glad I can help.
Regards,
nkiwan - thank you so much for answering my barrage of n00b questions.
You have been a great help. I really appreciate it.
Wow I think this is the coolest thread I have read ...it is just awesome what the WWW has done for all of us and thanks for the info
Glad I can help
I can understnad the use of USPL but I would recommend the use of hard SPL if you are planning to flash multiple roms. Either way I think it is just a matter of whether or not you actually want to run the USPL everytime you want to flash a rom... Don't quote me on that.
Just to doublecheck myself....
If I use USPL method and hard reset my phone - will I have the stock rom or the flashed one?
if I understand correctly USPL will bring back the stock one after hard reset and HSPL the new one.
very sorry to ask this now..from what i get is there are 3 ways of turning ur phone from phone to super phone:
1. install .cabs
2.soft flashing
3.hard flashing???
am i rite??
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As far as the acronym goes, I have NO clue lol. Never bothered to find out, I guess it would be helpful to know .
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I found this thread that you might find useful for the acronyms:xdasite.com/showthread.php?t=1104
Same was with me.....
three4seven said:
I apologize in advance if my questions are trivial and I am just dense.
I am pretty sure I've read through all the threads for "n00bs" but I still can't get a grasp of what exactly hardSPL does or is. I ran the search function and found that I don't NEED it per say and has claimed that it actually is "safer" to use USPL.
I own a Tmobile Wing (IPL > 4.xxx)
1. What exactly is the difference between USPL and hardSPL?
2. What are the limitations of either one.. will flashing a cooked rom without hardSPL cause problems?
3. I currently have flashed the newest Open Touch 4.0 and haven't had any problems at all (USPL), but I noticed in the thread for Touch-IT, it says that hardSPL is required. What does that mean exactly? If I flashed it w/o hardSPL.. will my wing crash/brick?
4. At some point, I'd like to sell the phone, so I don't want to do anything that is irreversible. My understanding was USPL is reversible, hardSPL is not?
5. I was on the verge of flashing the hardSPL but chickened out.
I installed the three cab files (canonyang.cab aserpolicy.cab disablesecurity.cab) but decided I wasn't ready to flash.
Will that cause any problems (installing the .cabs but not flashing)?
any help/input would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the n00b questions. Thanks
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Hi Brother,
Same problem with me i have also search every where but failed... no answer about Hard spl.Every body say do hard spl and search in fourm and so on. There was no proper guide what it is and how to do. i was really puzzel. Now i have come to know that axect what it is Hard Spl.
Hard Spl mean CID unlock. If you unlock CId of the phone its mean you have done Hard SPl. Without CID unlock you can not write ROM.
Thanks
Br Raja
I have a T-Mobile Wing. I hardSPL'd it, installed a custom ROM, then I used the RUU to flash the original ROM back to it. It doesn't show the CanonYang startup screen, but the SPL version is still 4.70.Yang. Is it still HardSPL'd?
Stargazer418 said:
I have a T-Mobile Wing. I hardSPL'd it, installed a custom ROM, then I used the RUU to flash the original ROM back to it. It doesn't show the CanonYang startup screen, but the SPL version is still 4.70.Yang. Is it still HardSPL'd?
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You can always check in the bootloader screen (the RGB screen).
Even if you have a 4.70.Yang you still need the IPL to be higher than 4 to flash custom ROMs. That is what is important.
If you ever see any of these number's change, Run the HardSPL folder again.
My Kaiser just arrived in the mail, and it came preloaded with DCS 1.7 rom. Since this ROM has already been loaded, I assume the the CID is already unlocked and HARD SPL has already been run once.
So does this mean I don't have to run it again to flash to Dutty's latest rom? Thanks.
not a good assumption, as there are other ways of flashing without hardspl. just put the device in bootloader and see if it says.....something with olipof in it. if that's the case the case then you have hardspl
And if I have HARD SPL, then I just go ahead and flash the Dutty ROM?
Giving Wise Educational Noob Instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383904
Thanks. I read through a lot of that stuff already.
I just checked and HARD SPL is already on the phone. So now it's safe to flash Dutty's rom?
Soounds like you have your answer
Well, it sounds like you've checked so if you're sure, flash away. Although, if you haven't already, I'd do a id10t check first to be doubly sure (i.e. press the camera button+Power button+soft reset) and verify you have Hardspl installed otherwise you run the risk of brickin your phone.
~Gwen
it doesnt hurt to do it again? or am i wrong? its just to be on the safe side
hello guys...i've been trying to upgrade to this Romeo's rom....but seems there's a problem with it...after i copy n run the jump spl, the screen become tri color...n i waited for the "usb" words to appear in the middle of the screen,but it didn't appear....and because of this i've been stuck at these steps for few days...i hav searched at the wiki's, but couldnt find about this probl..help pls guys...thanks in advvnce,,
okay..think i find the way now..searchd again at the wiki...n the suggestion was to reflash the original rom...think this is my original rom "1.81.707.0 (radio 1.27.12.11) Dopod WWE "...the question is...the rom version and the radio version is different here....the rom vers is exactly the same wit my rom...but the radio is different....should i just proceed or not?
What version of JumpSPL are you using? Mine, and a couple of other's as well, didn't show the "USB" with version 1.93. Try version 1.56 and it should work.
Please tell me that you are not trying to flash a ROM using JumpSPL...
i've been told to use this "JumpSPL1.93-KAIS" in order to use the "@ROMEOS_v3_5"...i just follow the steps given to me...
Connect Kaiser to computer using USB cable
Make sure ActiveSync icon is GREEN
RUN kaiser-HardSPL.exe on Computer (PC)
Follow instructions on screen:
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Wonder if someone told him to cid-unlock first..
The wiki/sticky would have.
ChumleyEX said:
Wonder if someone told him to cid-unlock first..
The wiki/sticky would have.
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That's why I went with an open-ended statement/question. His original post states he checked the Wiki, but I saw no mention of HardSPL.
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That's why I went with an open-ended statement/question. His original post states he checked the Wiki, but I saw no mention of HardSPL.
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i checked wiki because the instruction given to me went wrong...i downloaded this romeo v3.5 and comes together with jumpspl and hardspl as well...the instruction ask me run the jumpspl before running evrything else....so here,u guys saying that i should straight away run the hard spl is it?
giggsy_lel said:
i checked wiki because the instruction given to me went wrong...i downloaded this romeo v3.5 and comes together with jumpspl and hardspl as well...the instruction ask me run the jumpspl before running evrything else....so here,u guys saying that i should straight away run the hard spl is it?
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JumpSPL
HardSPL
ROMeOS
in that order...
Ok, so I know I have posted this before....and have seen it posted in about 100 other places ( not to mention the ROM UPGRADING thread right on the front page of the WIKI ). JUMPSPL is ONLY used to flash your current locked spl into a HARDSPL.
Step 1
Run JumpSPL on the phone
Step 2
Flash HARDSPL onto the phone
Step 3
Using HARDSPL, Flash your ROM and/or RADIO
NEVER NEVER NEVER DEVIATE FROM THIS!!!!!
pyraxiate said:
Ok, so I know I have posted this before....and have seen it posted in about 100 other places ( not to mention the ROM UPGRADING thread right on the front page of the WIKI ). JUMPSPL is ONLY used to flash your current locked spl into a HARDSPL.
Step 1
Run JumpSPL on the phone
Step 2
Flash HARDSPL onto the phone
Step 3
Using HARDSPL, Flash your ROM and/or RADIO
NEVER NEVER NEVER DEVIATE FROM THIS!!!!!
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yeapp...this the order i followed..after i run the jumspl,the tricolor thing appeard...and the sync stopped..and it didn't reconnect,i tried to run the hardspl n follow the steps..but it appears no connection with device...when i checked the wiki about stuck at tricolor...they ask to flash back the shipped rom again..found that rom but in different radio vers with mine....is it ok to just run the original rom again?
giggsy_lel said:
yeapp...this the order i followed..after i run the jumspl,the tricolor thing appeard...and the sync stopped..and it didn't reconnect,i tried to run the hardspl n follow the steps..but it appears no connection with device...when i checked the wiki about stuck at tricolor...they ask to flash back the shipped rom again..found that rom but in different radio vers with mine....is it ok to just run the original rom again?
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In answer to your Question, Yes.
Read the instructions of Post #2 very carefully of this thread to install Hard SPL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922.
Then flash the ROM.
Ta
Dave
DaveShaw said:
In answer to your Question, Yes.
Read the instructions of Post #2 very carefully of this thread to install Hard SPL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922.
Then flash the ROM.
Ta
Dave
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okayyy bosss....i think this might help...gonna try now..
finallyy...i got it man...thankss alot devshaw...i found that u must take out the sdcard n simcard in order to proceed the steps...now i'm gonna test some roms here...hey devshaw which rom u think best?for me i prefer roms having nice interfaces....seems dutty n L26 are more in interfaces...their design is gorgeus....since this is the first time flashing the rom i don't know which to choose...i've been told to use romeos by hang.tuah,since he's same country from me...i just give it a shot...any recommends??
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finallyy...i got it man...thankss alot devshaw...i found that u must take out the sdcard n simcard in order to proceed the steps...now i'm gonna test some roms here...hey devshaw which rom u think best?for me i prefer roms having nice interfaces....seems dutty n L26 are more in interfaces...their design is gorgeus....since this is the first time flashing the rom i don't know which to choose...i've been told to use romeos by hang.tuah,since he's same country from me...i just give it a shot...any recommends??
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For a nice UI try the [27-08-08] L26 KaiserDiamond Throttle Launcher (Beta 6 released!). ROMeOS is fast and stable though, best way to find out is to try them.
Ta
Dave
Please Help
I really am going crazy with this rom flashing stuff. I have read the wiki for 2 days.
I understand I need to CID unlock my phone before I can apply cooked roms. But after countless searches I cant find clear info on how to CID unlock my phone.
This really is a last resort, I have been rading for 2 days with no certainty of what to do next.
Thanks
futurama said:
Please Help
I really am going crazy with this rom flashing stuff. I have read the wiki for 2 days.
I understand I need to CID unlock my phone before I can apply cooked roms. But after countless searches I cant find clear info on how to CID unlock my phone.
This really is a last resort, I have been rading for 2 days with no certainty of what to do next.
Thanks
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USPL and HSPL do this for you so you are able to flash a rom or radio. Read this page from wiki. It'll help you understand
Follow cRaCKwHoRe's guide on how to flash (can be found in my signature). If you intend to do a lot of flashing I'd flash HSPL as its permanent whilst USPL is temporary and you'd need to re-use it before every flash to new rom or radio
Latest HSPL can also be found in my signature
Ah excellent thank you so much.
So can I flash straight to the newest 1.56 rom from my current version which is 1.19.61.1WWE on orange?
Or is there a stage in between I would have to do.
Thanks again.
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Ah excellent thank you so much.
So can I flash straight to the newest 1.56 rom from my current version which is 1.19.61.1WWE on orange?
Or is there a stage in between I would have to do.
Thanks again.
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Flashing from one HTC stock rom to another you don't need to use USPL or HSPL. But going to a cooked rom you do.
Answer to your query is it depends on route you take. If you go down the USPL route you'll need to follow cRaCKwHoRe's guide. Would take to long to explain and he as already done a very good tutorial on the subject. If you go down HSPL route, all you need to do is flash latest HSPL then 1.56 rom
That clears everything up. one last thing, which rom would you reccomend? I like the look of the enwer roms with WM6.
Thanks again much appreciated.
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That clears everything up. one last thing, which rom would you reccomend? I like the look of the enwer roms with WM6.
Thanks again much appreciated.
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I'm currently testing Dutty's V3.4. His V3.3 is already released but I'd wait for the new release hopefully in a few days. Both are based on WM6.1. Alternatively their is so many good roms out there. I'd also recommend Davideuck, EnergyROM & L26_THDV2.2 (Laurentius26). All very good roms by very good cooks. Best thing would be to try each of them and make your own opinion
thanks again mate, you are a legend, Ill post tonight to let you know how it went.
futurama said:
Please Help
I really am going crazy with this rom flashing stuff. I have read the wiki for 2 days.
I understand I need to CID unlock my phone before I can apply cooked roms. But after countless searches I cant find clear info on how to CID unlock my phone.
This really is a last resort, I have been rading for 2 days with no certainty of what to do next.
Thanks
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Does the phone really have to be unlocked before flashing a new ROM?
futurama said:
Please Help
I really am going crazy with this rom flashing stuff. I have read the wiki for 2 days.
I understand I need to CID unlock my phone before I can apply cooked roms. But after countless searches I cant find clear info on how to CID unlock my phone.
This really is a last resort, I have been rading for 2 days with no certainty of what to do next.
Thanks
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Does the phone really have to be unlocked before flashing a new ROM? I didn`t know that
yeeehooo got it all sorted and working!
Thanks everyone involved with XDA developers.
davemazo said:
Does the phone really have to be unlocked before flashing a new ROM? I didn`t know that
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There are a few forms of unlocking but the bottom line is that you need to bypass the checking which is done in the flash process.
One way is permanat as done once no issues anymore - HSPL
Another is as and when you need - USPL.
Wiki has a walk through that needs to be upated but I thought still was useable.
Flash the new 1.56 shipped rom and then move on to cooked roms. (will help you by pass the greenscreen issue)
futurama said:
Please Help
I really am going crazy with this rom flashing stuff. I have read the wiki for 2 days.
I understand I need to CID unlock my phone before I can apply cooked roms. But after countless searches I cant find clear info on how to CID unlock my phone.
This really is a last resort, I have been rading for 2 days with no certainty of what to do next.
Thanks
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Can you tell me were you got lost in wiki so that I can correct it in a more user frinedly version.
futurama said:
yeeehooo got it all sorted and working!
Thanks everyone involved with XDA developers.
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Sorry to hijack your thread futurama but I am having the same problem. Could you let me know how you did it
Thanks HDuser. Not sure if you know where I`m up to but originally I flashed my Orange 1.19.61.1 ROM with USPL and then flashed Duttys 2.7 1.56 based ROM which has given me the green screen problem. An earlier poster suggested I flash Olinex HSPL 1.54 to cure the problem. The problem I am having now is the phone refuses to sync with the PC. I have tried Vista and XP, the PC does not hibernate or sleep or anything, the phone is set to not switch off. It will usually sync on first connection but after a few seconds it will disconnect and therefore HSPL is reporting as being disconnected.
I have tried the earlier HSPL and HSPL 1.56 (as the ROM in bootloader screen is reported as being 1.56 and SPL is 1.14). I feel I`m going round in circles and its only a matter of time before I brick the phone.
I have read and re-read the wikis but I am now just getting more and more confused.
davemazo
Look the best way to approach any problem is to go back to the roots.
Flash a stock rom, find your own stock rom and refalsh it, then take it from there.
Your post is missleading and I have no idea were to sart. One issue is your PC ist does not Hibanate, not or go into sleep mode, at the saem time you are saying that you can't sync. Sounds like you have other problems and those other problems are making you have problems with your device.
Thanks HDuser. Sorry for confusing you, but I am now totally confused myself, Basically though the phone does not sync with the PC, I have tried 2 PC`s, with Vista and XP.
But back to your point about flashing stock ROM, I have tried a link in the wiki to download the one I need which is Orange 1.19.61.1 but the link seems to be broken and I don`t know where else I can get it. It doesn`t seem to be on the Orange website or HTC.
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Can you tell me were you got lost in wiki so that I can correct it in a more user frinedly version.
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There is a part on the black stone wiki that mentions I need to CID unlock my phone. It says you need to do this before you can flash roms, I felt it wasn't clear that, all I needed to do was flash HSPL in order to allow me to put new roms on.
This is what I did.
1:Flashed HSPL olinex 1.14.
2:Flashed HSPL Olinex1.56
3:Flashed MIRI WM6.5 10.0WWE
only part I had trouble with, my phone wouldnt let me flash the HSPL at first, I had to use a manual thing that you launch on the device the it lets you flash the HSPL.
futurama said:
There is a part on the black stone wiki that mentions I need to CID unlock my phone. It says you need to do this before you can flash roms, I felt it wasn't clear that, all I needed to do was flash HSPL in order to allow me to put new roms on.
This is what I did.
1:Flashed HSPL olinex 1.14.
2:Flashed HSPL Olinex1.56
3:Flashed MIRI WM6.5 10.0WWE
only part I had trouble with, my phone wouldnt let me flash the HSPL at first, I had to use a manual thing that you launch on the device the it lets you flash the HSPL.
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It sounds as if you have it sorted now and everything working. As HDUser stated previously HSPL & USPL allows you to bypass the CID lock to enable you to flash new roms
Only thing I need clearing up, I can change my SPL back to the original version cant it?
Just incase anything goes tits up and I need to send it back
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Only thing I need clearing up, I can change my SPL back to the original version cant it?
Just incase anything goes tits up and I need to send it back
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Of course you can. All information you need including original stock radio's, roms etc are available in wiki to download.
Hello everyone and sorry for starting a new thread with so many threads already about installing custom ROMs. So sorry again....
First of all I want to say that I have installed Saturday my first custom ROM.
1. I installed HardSPL
2. I installed ROM (I got an error first time because my usb got diconnected - tricolour boot screen and an error code - could not see it; second time everything worked fine and I have now a new great looking ROM
3. I did not installed Radio.
1st question: Do I have to install Radio everytime I install a new ROM or is it ok if I keep my old Radio? - the phone works just fine.
Second question: Do I have to HardSPL everytime I install a new ROM?
Please be kind and reply to my questions even if it must have been already posted in some thread.
rarely can i answer a question but yours are easy LOL
You don't need to do your radio because the radio you have is untouched by roms.
Likewise if you do a radio it wont change your rom.
Radio's probably will not make much diffrence.
Once you have Hard spl it is done.
You can then flash as many roms as you want , but Hard Spl is just once
No and No.
Thank you guys.
The radio is stored on a different part of the memory then the ROM, so it doesn't get replaced when you flash a ROM (unless the ROM specifically includes it, like the new "official leaked" ATT ROM). And custom ROMs will never include the radio, that I know of.
A newer radio version MAY get you better battery life or GPS reception. But it can be very specific to your geographic location. It your choice whether to update your radio or not, its certainly not required. If you want, you are free to experiment, as you can always go back to the old radio if the new one doesn't work out. The process for flashing a new radio is essentially the same as flashing a ROM, except the actual process if done very fast.
As already mentioned, you only need to HardSPL once. The only way phone will become SPL locked back to factory condition is if you specifically do so using the provided relocker program on the SPL thread (for instance, to return the phone for warranty repair).