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is paying the extra few hundred for the full unlocked HTC kaiser worth it?
or should I go TILT? am I correct to think there are no software differences with loading the HTC rom onto the TILT? or does the AT&T software restrictions still play an active roll in not allowing us to install what ever we please?
Has TILT adopters found themselves with more problems than they antisipated? has Kaiser adopters wished they would have saved the
money?
GinjiVitis said:
is paying the extra few hundred for the full unlocked HTC kaiser worth it?
or should I go TILT? am I correct to think there are no software differences with loading the HTC rom onto the TILT? or does the AT&T software restrictions still play an active roll in not allowing us to install what ever we please?
Has TILT adopters found themselves with more problems than they antisipated? has Kaiser adopters wished they would have saved the
money?
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Here is your answer! Link: Should I buy a Tilt or a Kaiser?
no cam on the phone...
the homescreen on the tilt is lame... super lame...
att has choped away a lot of good stuf.... not sure the price difference is....
im having trouble installing anything that at&t hasnt sold me. your prob more capable than i am, but... thats my experience
To the original poster's credit, the forums' search functionality is kinda crap, but it is the sort of thing that should be easy to find just by browsing the right sections.
IMO, there's not much reason to get the TyTn II instead of the Tilt thanks to HardSPL. The front camera just isn't worth $400.
As to Tilt vs. Kaiser - Tilt IS a Kaiser...
Tilt - No front camera. Same back 3MP camera.
With a bit of reading this forum and a few hours/days. there's no other differences.
If you're an AT&T customer in the US, the front camera is useless anyway.
Furthermore, you can put whatever ROM/software you want on the device (courtesy of our fine colleagues here).
I did the math:
Tilt: $199.00 (with new 2-year contract)
TyTN II: $800.00
It was a no-brainer for me! (YMMV)
Just curious who bought the ATT Tilt and who went for the more expensive HTC Kaiser and why..
(Yeah I wasn't sure to call it the Kaiser or TyTN 2 lol)
Tilt. $150 vs $600 (MOL).
Tilt 225 w/ 50 bucks back.
FYI: not to get picky....
it's Tilt or TyTN II
they are both considered a Kaiser
I got the tilt for the reason of cheaper
Tilt - got it for $50 after MIR. That was a clear winner for me....
Waited and waited and actually saw the Black Friday Ad and called up a buddy I worked with there. Plus I generally like to stay specific to AT&T equipment for whatever reason...
Tilt bc of the price ($150). Obv I would like to have the tytn 2 for the front facing camera, but its not worth $450 more.
Is the front cam the ONLY difference between the two?
Tilt for 149.99 after rebate.
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Is the front cam the ONLY difference between the two?
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Thanks to this forum and the ROM and app's you can find here, that the pretty much main difference.
lol it looks like people prefer to save a couple hundred than having a front video camera
damn...comming from the uk.. i neva actually realised the tilt didnt have a front facing camera!!
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Is the front cam the ONLY difference between the two?
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Where's the Tilt made and what's the body code (KAIS***)?
Other differences are:
- the video front camera
- the colour scheme
- the package contents
- Warranty from AT&T versus HTC
- I'm not sure if the batteries are different (Samsung vs Dyna)
JwY said:
Where's the Tilt made and what's the body code (KAIS***)?
Other differences are:
- the video front camera
- the colour scheme
- the package contents
- Warranty from AT&T versus HTC
- I'm not sure if the batteries are different (Samsung vs Dyna)
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I actually like the front buttons on the TyTN 2 much better than the all chrome look on the Tilt
It was pretty easy for me. The only differences are
1. The lack of a front facing camera.
Even if you had it, you can't use it with AT&T anyways
2. The addition of lots of dumb bloatware.
Takes 20 minutes to remove, or 10 to reflash with OEM image.
3. Slightly differently colored case.
Who cares?
It wasn't nearly enough to me to consider for 1 minute paying an extra 450 or so for the Kaiser. If you have the money, and you are a perfectionist, go for the Kaiser.
the tilt is a kaiser. i think you mean TyTN II. Which is also a kaiser
kireol said:
the tilt is a kaiser. i think you mean TyTN II. Which is also a kaiser
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lol the whole TyTN 2 and Kaiser mix up must be a pet peeve of yours
ericc191 said:
lol the whole TyTN 2 and Kaiser mix up must be a pet peeve of yours
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nah, i'm just trying to correct ppl now so that future confusion happens less
In the US with AT&T, there is really no reason not to go with the Tilt:
you can't use the front camera anyway;
if you're a good customer, they'll happily provide an unlock code; and
compared to an imported TyTN II, they're a total bargain
People complain about "all the bloat." I can tell you that with a minimal amount of work, the bloat can be removed -- keeping the stock ROM -- and having an extremely stable and high-performing device.
I'm sure it will get better with the next batch of cooked roms, too...
dreboi said:
damn...comming from the uk.. i neva actually realised the tilt didnt have a front facing camera!!
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Me neither ... I thought they were the same just branded differently. I went for the Tytn II as we don't have the tilt in Sweden. Now I just need to get it in English ... I know, i'm studying the Wiki
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I actually like the front buttons on the TyTN 2 much better than the all chrome look on the Tilt
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Me too. And I prefer the all black keyboard.
RojasTKD said:
Tilt for 149.99 after rebate.
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Where did you guys get titl for $150? I got mine for $400 (in Philadelphia) without rebate a week ago from AT&T. Even with the rebate, it was about $300.
hey friends, After doing a long research on PDA WM phones, I arrived to the conclusion that Kaiser is the way to go!!! (WOOT)
Now I just have a couple of questions, Where can I get a good price for a Kaiser ? ( any link appreciated ), is getting an AT&T tilt unlocked the same as getting the real kaiser ? ( a 8925 of course ) what do do what to do !!??
Almost all places that I have seen where they have the HTC kaiser 120 costs around 750-800us$ and the tilt 8925 is around 500us$ is there much of a difference ? can I get the tilt to work just like the REAL kaiser, upgrading roms ? will the supposedly new rom with the new video drivers will work on the tilt !!!! ( insert dramatic music )
Please help me ( <-- lame phrase )
Please help me pimp my .... mobile device ?
Thank you all !
sneaking in...
/me sneaks in and writes again in the post, to place it on top...
/me sneaks out
My wife's got a tilt and I have a kaiser. No real difference except for the obvious. But the rom change on the tilt is needed immediately att software is lame! I put duttys 7.0 on my wifes and it's faster then my kaiser with stock rom.
Here´s a good place to start.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php
Welcome to the forum!
thanks
thanks for the wellcome =)
afaik the tilt has no front faced camera only a rear end.
frontal camera
Imperium said:
afaik the tilt has no front faced camera only a rear end.
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Damn so that's why the tilt is cheaper !!!!
now I guess I have to pay like 200 more us$ for the frontal camera
chuby007 said:
Damn so that's why the tilt is cheaper !!!!
now I guess I have to pay like 200 more us$ for the frontal camera
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I guess, and I was pissed when I got my Tilt. But then realized it's probably not worth $200-300 for a VGA camera, that I can't even use on my network
So sticking with the Tilt, since I want to go WM7 on a new device when it rolls out
Go to newegg.com and search for the tilt. Print that off and take it to your local AT&T store, they will honor newegg's price. Right now it's $175, but my girlfriend and I got ours for $150 when it was that price. For instance if newegg has it for $150, att will sell it to you for $250 with a $100 mail in rebate. Can't beat that, only thing is you have to have unlimited data until the rebate comes, which is 6-8 weeks.
chuby007 said:
hey friends, After doing a long research on PDA WM phones, I arrived to the conclusion that Kaiser is the way to go!!! (WOOT)
Now I just have a couple of questions, Where can I get a good price for a Kaiser ? ( any link appreciated ), is getting an AT&T tilt unlocked the same as getting the real kaiser ? ( a 8925 of course ) what do do what to do !!??
Almost all places that I have seen where they have the HTC kaiser 120 costs around 750-800us$ and the tilt 8925 is around 500us$ is there much of a difference ? can I get the tilt to work just like the REAL kaiser, upgrading roms ? will the supposedly new rom with the new video drivers will work on the tilt !!!! ( insert dramatic music )
Please help me ( <-- lame phrase )
Please help me pimp my .... mobile device ?
Thank you all !
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Hi:
I see most of your questions have been addressed.
I wanted to mention, that if you really want to "pimp you phone", here ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336013&goto=newpost) is a good place to start getting ideas. That is a post where people post their Today screens. Most people will include info on what programs etc. they used to make it look a certain way. It's a great thread to get an idea of the endless possibilities you have when it comes to the appearance of this phone.
Also, as far as making the most of your phone, read, read, read
That's what I did, I have read HUNDREDS of posts here, and learned so much.
I have only had my Tilt for about a month, but if you saw it now, you wouldn't even believe it is the same phone ATT sent me
Not to mention that I have added so many amazing programs, apps etc. that I learned about here, that my phone can do just about anything now
i will give my tilt, (it's in mint condition) and a black crystal cover (even some bucks) for an htc tytnII even with scratches or little dents (not on the screen).
thank you
ken
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...Are you serious?
i am completely serious... i know that noone want to do this but i'll ask...
are you selling your tilt at all?..if so how much?
i want to swap my tilt with a kaiser but if noone comes out i'll sell it an buy a kaiser. i'll sell it for 420USD + shipping (420USD is likely 320Euros).
It has a black crystal cover, 3.5" headphone adapter with mic., it's in MINT condition and always had a screen protector on it.
errrr .... no
sorry!
edit: nm - I miss-read your post
Why sell it ?
if you need the second camera, there is a mod here on the forums will show you how to add it , and software wise there are so many roms here , that i am sure one of them will fit your needs,
BTW not to rain on your parade, the going price here in the states is about $300 more or less
i know what you ar sayin but i can't find a front camera nowhere in the forum nor in fleabay, i searched everywhere and offered a bounty if someone find it but noone answered, maybe u can tell me more, i'm very addicted to my kaiser i dont want to sell mine but i have to if i dont find a solution.
You must be proud of your tilt.
Here are some good links to read, but i have not found the thread that has step by step instructions for adding the camera....give me a bit to find it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355587&highlight=front+camera
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2146400&postcount=18
http://michael-channon.spaces.live....smantling+%2f+Disassembling+Guides+HTC%2fETEN
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=791306&native_or_pdf=pdf
more info
http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1407907-1.html
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1407907
Lets us know if you find it.....
FYI I know there was a thread for doing this, but search is not bring it up
I will sell you my TYTN II for 200 euros. Ita in mint condition with a lot of added applications (tom tom 7 with maps, skyfire, memmaid etc. Also I have the desktop charger and case.
@ F2504x4: the thread on howardforums is what i saw for making an idea on what i have to do. if you take apart your tilt you will find a chip where the front cam have to go inserted, and then you have to buy a new front face cover with the cam cover. the mobo already has the connector for the front cam it's a plug'n'play thing. but i cant find the cam nowhere in the wole internet!!!
@leon sprouse: i know you want to sell me your tytnII the price is so good but i have to sell my tilt first because i have no money to afford yours
anyways thank you for the advice and for the time giving to me
ken
@chumley EX: i am very proud and satysfied of my tilt but i live in Italy and my girlfriend whant to videocall me because i work far away from home
Does it transform or something different than the other Tilts or is the proudness you have for the phone the reasoning behind the jacked up price?
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Does it transform or something different than the other Tilts or is the proudness you have for the phone the reasoning behind the jacked up price?
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are you A Professional thread crapper?
I don't think he is, but $450 for a Tilt... I bought my Tytn 2 with 2 extra batteries and an additional pouch for $430 6 months ago. Tilts were already going for $350 at that time
@chumley EX: why don't you chill out boy? i'm just tryin to sell my tilt!
Maybe the price is too high, maybe i can sell it for lower but if i sell my tilt for lower i can't buy a tytnII because it is more expensive
i can sell it for no less than 250€
Ok i know how to add a front camera to a tilt, if you take it apart and open the front cover you will see the connector for the camera just like the 8525 has, you need only the fcc camera to put in there (it isn't the same of the hermes 'cuz it has a vga cam, the tytnII has a 0.3mpx one). The worst thing is that i can't find that cam nowhere on the whole internet and i dont need to buy a tytnII with damage that surely will cost much more that the fcc only. There is a seller on Ebay that sells tytn cams, i asked if he can provide me a tytnII cam and he answered me that if i can find a cam he will buy it from me (LOL). now i am asking anyone here that has a front cam from the kaiser/tytnII or mda varioIII if want to sell it to me or if can point me to someone that can sell it. i also searched on cnn and other parts shop on the net and noone can provide it to me. i went to a device repairer and he told me that the cam will take 2/3 months to be shipped from htc and that i have to leave him my device...I know that them have no care of the item left in their deposit so i said no and took my tilt back home... please if someone know something just tell it to me...i will give a bounty...
Ken
maybe if anyone can try if the front cam of the tytn will fit on the tilt and wanted to do it i will be grateful!
Here is a link to the disassembly of a Kaiser, lots of pictures, but in russian, still looking for pictures of a Tilt to compare the two
http://www.pdacenter.ru/razborka/razbor_htc_kaiser/
more info
http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4472423472DCFC38!287.entry?&_c02_owner=1
check the PDA parts links on this site, maybe one of them has the camera
http://www.mikechannon.net/
better pictures of a Kaiser being taken apart in English
http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/Replacing the LCD on a Kaiser.pdf
check fleabay just kidding try cnn.cn lots of parts cheap
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i also searched on cnn and other parts shop on the net and noone can provide it to me.
Ken
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He already tried cnn.
What ive always done in the past was search for nearly destroyed ( case/screen/ect ) for cheap misc parts for my devices. I havent looked around for the kaiser yet ( as i have no need of a cam on front ) but im sure someone has tried or s trying to sell one their dog bit into/ran over / ect.
Keep looking as one will surely turn up on fleabay eventually
ok i have to say you all that i SOLD my tilt for 300€uros, in Europe this are the prices for it. now i will buy a TytnII with a front cam or a Raphael. i will keep you informed. but in meantime i have to switch back to my prophet tank you all again!!!
Congratulationz!!!