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Same spec with Kaiser, but with VGA 640x480 , 262K colors , FLASH, XGA Video out.
That's enough for my next Kaiser replacement.
If it's indeed ever to be released !
More complete spec:
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_9502-2158.php
Looks OK, but for a device that's the same size or larger than the Universal, I'd want a screen you can close, to protect it when it's in a pocket.
That's practically UMPC size, by the look of it.
With a 2.8" screen? Sounds pretty close to the size of the Kaiser.
Bet 640x480 looks real sharp on that size screen.
I dont think this is that big, according to the article the dimension is:
116 x 60 x 17.8
While Kaiser:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_TyTN_II#Specification
112mm (L) x 59mm (W) x 19mm (T)
HTC Universal:
127 mm (L) x 81 mm (w) x 25 mm (T)
So, it is still SMALL device !
specs look identical to Kaiser to me, other than VGA screen
nothing earth-shattering there, imho
dld
As far as i know, WM6 doesn't support 256k colors...
wow... looks good.
any idea when it will be released?
Have any of these devices gone thru FCC approval yet? Don't think they have.
Nice device but no FM radio !
If the stats are the same, such as the processor, and it is higher res, wouldn't it just be like a kaiser, but slower?
Im not sure what the advantage would be of more pixels in the same amount of space would be. 2.8 screen is pretty small, 640x480 on that is going to be ultra fine.
Maybe this is a case of "Less is More", but I will hold my judgment till I can see it in action.
Wow, it looks darn good to me. VGA screens really do look sharp and ultra crisp. I would really want to know if it's a trans-reflective screen, that would push me towards it more.
Kaiser 112x59x19 190g
i-Mate 116x60x18 200g
Size wise, pretty close.
I was getting a little bit of envy until I read this.
...so you would have to be nuts to pay over $800 (xx50 anticipated price) to an overseas company or US importer, for a phone which comes from a company with tech support and return policies which are reported to be horrible, and questionalble quality products.
...I will NEVER buy another IMate product.
They are the worst company I have ever dealt with.
But don't take my word for it- Do a search in the PPC forum. They have horrid, incompetent support.
The only rom upgrades they ever put out, were basically stolen from the work other vendors had done (there were other vendors tags in the rom)
You have been warned.
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I handled two months back
Flying from Singapore to London, sat next to an engineer for the company. All I can say is the demo i held was a high quality steel make, no plastic etc, and the keyboard was sleek but smallish. Form factor similar to Kaizer but heavier.
The design / engineering are in the UK and he had two phones on him, this and another standard phone (no keyboard)
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I'd wonder what kind of battery hit that VGA screen would have as well.
It has the same CPU with Kaiser.
Pops_G said:
If the stats are the same, such as the processor, and it is higher res, wouldn't it just be like a kaiser, but slower?
Im not sure what the advantage would be of more pixels in the same amount of space would be. 2.8 screen is pretty small, 640x480 on that is going to be ultra fine.
Maybe this is a case of "Less is More", but I will hold my judgment till I can see it in action.
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Any Tilt or Kaiser owners plan to upgrade to the Touch Pro 2? Does it seem like it would be a significant upgrade? I'm curious to what you fellow Tilt/Kaiser owners think...
I have the Tilt and have not upgraded to the Fuze. I was waiting for the next big thing that ATT was potentially was going to bring over and it seem like this is it. I love the device's design in every aspect; looks amazing physicaly. What i don't like is that they stuck it with a 3mp camera (and removed flash!). I absolutely love the 3.6" screen. Basically, i'm pretty sure i'll be upgrading (i saved my contract upgrade and rejected the Fuze for this reason).
Yeah, I'm going to buy Touch Pro2, the reasons why, larger screen, better hardware, 5-row keyboard, looks very very cool, more finger-friendly.
iphone. if lack of a hw keyboard is not a deal breaker. After owning 2 winmo phones (currently using a tilt) and modding many other peoples iphones, i can honestly say that the iphone is superior in usability/apps/stability. after drooling for a touch diamond and then hearing my friend say its laggy after he bought it, was a real disappointment. Microsoft is really behind the curve in the mobile sector. Thinking about selling my tilt for iphone now. Might wait till winmo 7 to come out before purchasing another winmo phone. For the record i'm a pc guy and i think apple products/fans our generally pretentious and kinda douche-ie (not all though).
Not sure about the Touch Pro2. I rarely .. if ever use my keyboard. I am waiting on the HTC Topaz for ATT..... drool.
I'm probably gonna go for the TP2. 800x480 screen!
They only issue i see with the device is that they've removed the d-pad.
HTC looks like they've put every good feature into this device, from FM Radio to TV Out. It looks perfect, and although a faster processor or a DPAD wouldn't hurt. And a 6.5 upgrade sounds good as well. I am certainly getting this phone.
Dave
good thing i passed on the fuze too...The Touch pro 2 will definitely be up there on my next phone list...And this will probably be the real successor to the tytn ii...I think it also matches the specs we had a few months back on the then phantom "TILT 2" that never showed up...until now...
TP 2.... is it worth sniffing at?
Does anyone know if it'll have proper 3D and 2 D DirectX and Direct Draw drivers included? I'm not wanting a HTC customised menu so much as full native support of the built in hardware within the operating system and parts thereof such as Pocket Mediaplayer itself. I'd like to use video playback without having to slash the frame rates and/or resolution as I have to with my Kaiser (even under TCPMP).
I'm concerned to read that although it has GPS support, it doesn't appear to list what software is provided to use this in the UK/Europe. Does this mean that it could be the TP all over again with HTC refusing to acknowledge any GPS problems that may crop up? Without a tried and tested native GPS app bundled with the device, it won't be one for me.
I'm very tempted - but I think I'll have to wait until I actually can put my hands on one in a shop to decide. I fear I will find it too large and/or thick for my liking. The Tilt is thick, but small. The iphone is large to the point I feel mixed with regard to the size in the pocket/screen comfort balance, but at least is thin. The TP2 will be large AND thick. And it loses the DPAD indeed, and I use that a lot
only a few people think it would be a worthy upgrade?
What's that saying, once bitten....
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If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct. HTC need to learn from its mistakes and provide a product that actually meets peoples needs fully and reliably if they want those who've already been stung by them to part with cash on a new HTC product. Many people here have already said they'll never buy another HTC product due to all the problems they've had so you get an idea of the extent of feeling about such things!
I'm planning to get the TP2
- Higher resolution big and wide screen
- Larger battery
- Faster processor
- More internal memory
- 5 row keyboard
- TV out
- USB OTG
- New TOUCH FLO 3D with larger soft menu screens
- WM 6.5 (when HTC will make it available)
I'll miss:
- D-pad
- Jog wheel
- Buttons!
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If those who currently have Kaisers (or TPs for that matter) get a feeling of déjà vu with the 'finished' product and its shortcomings (video drivers, keyboard performance, GPS time to lock and any lag, important bits/features missed out etc) then yes, you are correct.
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Or, there are people like me who are really happy with the Kaiser, and for whom it would take something really good to warrant a change. As said, I'll see the TP2 when it's there, but until then I don't plan to change at all.
If the cookers start cooking good roms and it can be unlocked ok then yes it looks lovely
Diamond2 is coming out around 10th april so wondering who will be upgrading or buying it?
is it worth getting the 2nd gen diamond?
i am stuck in a 18mth contract, so can't upgrade now untill apr 2010
harrysaab said:
Diamond2 is coming out around 10th april so wondering who will be upgrading or buying it?
is it worth getting the 2nd gen diamond?
i am stuck in a 18mth contract, so can't upgrade now untill apr 2010
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What I will be eventually doing is switching over regardless of contracts. I will going to Florida in the summer and picking one up there. When I return, I will just simply selling my old Diamond. This will all happen by August of this year. I never wait for contracts to expire. That would make me go crazy having a phone for 2 or 3 years straight. This is my 4th phone in the last 6 months....lol
Phones I had in the last 6mths:
1) HP 6955
2) Cruise
3) Trinity
4) Diamond
i think i will be getting the touch pro 2 instead of the diamond 2
Touch Pro 2 here too... played with the Diamond 2 at MWC, I don't like it's look and feel.
Touch Pro 2 is the poison I choose this time.
Will keep my Beloved Diamond 1 for when I need Sleeeknesssss.
Greetz to all.
lucky you... wish i had the chance to visit the mwc
i dont like the look of the diamond 2 it feel cheap
and the pro 2 is very biig its even bigger than TyTN II its better if they name it TyTN III
i will wait for a new phone from htc (diamond 3)
Don't like the Diamond 2
Diamond 2 doesn't look as nice as my original diamond. Touch Pro 2 looks better than the diamond 2, but I'm not liking it either. I might just totally skip on the latest HTC phones and try out the Palm Pre 'till HTC comes up with something else.
Didn't HTC hire a designer or something for their new devices??
I think the oncoming HTC devices are ugly... I really liked the touch phones, they were the first phones that just looked good (except the cruise) and especially the diamand/pro
I wish i never got that touch dual i have now im stuck with it until december;(
But i guess it'll be the iphone for then, I already have a decent winmo phone
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Diamond 2 doesn't look as nice as my original diamond. Touch Pro 2 looks better than the diamond 2, but I'm not liking it either. I might just totally skip on the latest HTC phones and try out the Palm Pre 'till HTC comes up with something else.
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Yeah me too, tho with luck all the early probs with the pre will have been ironed out by the time my 18mnth contract runs out in january 2010.....
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Touch Pro 2 here too... played with the Diamond 2 at MWC, I don't like it's look and feel.
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Chainfire, can you elaborate a little on what you didn't like about the Diamond 2's look and feel? Is it bricky, cheap, squarish? I have a D1 and am considering the 'upgrade'. Thanks.
well, as i compared the dimensions of the new diamond2 to the old it seems it got a bit larger. it now has the size of the iphone, which in my opinion is too large.
i really like the size of the diamond1, it is a phone-size all-in wonder, and not a tablet-pc with a phone function.
the only real advantage i see is the bigger screen for better working but this is also the reason for the bigger dimensions...
the rest of the new features?
better camera? well get a digicam if you want good pictures, 5mp but no flashlight, forget good pics at evening or at indoor places with bad light...
the other updates: memory,sd slot and better battery, well nice but its no world-wonder...
and the diamond pro 2? brick with phone function? come on...
i will stay with my diamond1 and keep waiting.
so my opionion is: size DOES matter
everyone have a nice day!
i like the no2 think i mgit go there if three get there act together and get a stylish phone made by HTC rather than the current junk
but like most ive got 12 months left on the contract so lets hope the 3 is out and ready and stable by then
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Chainfire, can you elaborate a little on what you didn't like about the Diamond 2's look and feel? Is it bricky, cheap, squarish? I have a D1 and am considering the 'upgrade'. Thanks.
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Well, please start by opening this link in a new window:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1750&view=1
You can immediately see it is not as small or as cute as the original Diamond ( <3 !! )
It feels a bit 'stretched' in your hand when you are playing with it, don't have a better word to say it.
But the absolute worst part is the 'bottom of the front' as you can see in the picture. They gray/silvery part looks incredibly cheap/ugly IRL, and its just a waste of space with no function (they should have just made the thing a centimeter shorter).
Furthermore, between the small buttons above the silvery part and the touchscreen soft-buttons is a so called zoom-slider. It's hard to see in the picture on that page, but again this is a waste of space - and it looks really awkward too. While I imagine it could be handy while web-browsing (if it actually works, it didn't do anything on the demo models I played with), at least for me that isn't that important and I would have much preferred an on-screen zoom slider in the browser instead. Again, they could have made the thing another centimeter shorter.
It's just one hell of a butt-ugly phone (well ok it isn't as ugly as say, the G1, but it's nowhere near as sleek as the original Diamond and Touch Pro) and wastes space all over the place. It doesn't feel 'right' in your hand either.
Hope that explains it a bit.
Note that I just noticed the Rhodium has this frecking zoom slider as well... bah!
the only characteristic worth mentioning in case you make the transition is the card slot... But really! Features like the enlarged screen (800x480), a wee better camera and a flashy new metallic design won't make me change my diamond... I mean, they aren't features which make a big diff... let alone define a TRUE SEQUEL.
+ they ditched the D-pad and replaced it with a silly horizontal zoom panel... Why!?!?! it pretty much looks like a DOWNGRADE to me.
No thx!
Not me, that's for sure!
I like my Diamond, despite its poor speed and short battery life... but I'm hoping that something else good comes out in the 9 months or so that are left on my 18 month contract!
My preference would be another WinMo phone but faster, better battery, TV out and possibly even proper headphone jack. Doesn't have to be HTC because HTC software is so poor.
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the only characteristic worth mentioning in case you make the transition is the card slot... But really! Features like the enlarged screen (800x480), a wee better camera and a flashy new metallic design won't make me change my diamond... I mean, they aren't features which make a big diff... let alone define a TRUE SEQUEL.
+ they ditched the D-pad and replaced it with a silly horizontal zoom panel... Why!?!?! it pretty much looks like a DOWNGRADE to me.
No thx!
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I only played with the Diamond2 a little bit today and yesterday but the one thing I noticed is that performance did seem to be noticeably improved. As I whipped around TF3D it seemed quite a bit snappier than my Diamond. Some of the hardware changes do make you wonder but the TF3D software seems significantly better (that being said - I did get WM to freeze rather easily when playing with the onscreen keyboard - oops!) I didn't think the phone was butt ugly but, in all fairness, I was drooling a little.
Just like most people, the HTC people said that the Pro2 seems to be the one exciting people more but while the features are cool it is kind of a brick IMHO. Of course, I also looked at the P6500 and that made the Pro2 look not *quite* so big!
certainly not me, the device as it is is pretty close to perfect in terms of size/weight.
with the diamond2 getting bigger and heavier, it's a big turnoff to me.
i had a choice of buying a north american diamond but did not as it's thicker and heavier.
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Well, please start by opening this link in a new window:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1750&view=1
You can immediately see it is not as small or as cute as the original Diamond ( <3 !! )
It feels a bit 'stretched' in your hand when you are playing with it, don't have a better word to say it.
But the absolute worst part is the 'bottom of the front' as you can see in the picture. They gray/silvery part looks incredibly cheap/ugly IRL, and its just a waste of space with no function (they should have just made the thing a centimeter shorter).
Furthermore, between the small buttons above the silvery part and the touchscreen soft-buttons is a so called zoom-slider. It's hard to see in the picture on that page, but again this is a waste of space - and it looks really awkward too. While I imagine it could be handy while web-browsing (if it actually works, it didn't do anything on the demo models I played with), at least for me that isn't that important and I would have much preferred an on-screen zoom slider in the browser instead. Again, they could have made the thing another centimeter shorter.
It's just one hell of a butt-ugly phone (well ok it isn't as ugly as say, the G1, but it's nowhere near as sleek as the original Diamond and Touch Pro) and wastes space all over the place. It doesn't feel 'right' in your hand either.
Hope that explains it a bit.
Note that I just noticed the Rhodium has this frecking zoom slider as well... bah!
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Thanks for the insight. I'm really on the fence about 'upgrading'. I'm intrigued by the widescreen for maps/pictures/videos and the 5MP camera has also sparked my attention. The cam on the current Diamond is very good IMO and so I'm just figuring it will get even better on the D2. I use my phone a lot for pictures. I have the NAM version of the D1 so the D2 will actually be the same weight and a little thinner. But I do know what you mean about it being 'stretched'. I had an Imate 8502 and it was a narrow phone that was long. It felt very stretched in hand so that's going to be a factor for me. Loosing the dpad (even if the D1's is crappy) is another big downer.
I've actually been toying with buying a Samsung Omnia instead. $200 cheaper, same camera specs but with a flash, widescreen (although not VGA) and a mouse pointer to 'replace' the dpad. Who knows...
My provider gave me a Samsung Omnia for free and after using a widescreen device (yes, I know, WQVGA, not WVGA), the screen on the Diamond seems too small to use. I will personally be going with the Touch Pro2, not the Diamond2. This is mainly because of the bigger screen size as well as the keyboard, not to mention the decent speaker on it and flashlight.
Okay wow, FINALLY a Windows Mobile device with a DECENT CPU. I don't care if it's a one-day-lasting charge. I LOVE the speed. 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU.
If you haven't yet seen it, look around on YouTube for videos of the Toshiba TG01 that just entered release last month. It runs WM6.5's titanium sooooo smoothly with an incredibly high framerate.
I know it doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard, but almost every feature matches the XPERIA including the WVGA resolution screen, only slightly bigger which I like anyway. And it is a capacitance touchscreen like the iPhone... also with no annoying frame around it for dust to collect... Perfect!
It also has an accelerometer.
So I'm willing to give up on my XPERIA, but being that the TG01 is not HTC-based, would there be as much developer interest and would there be many custom ROM's made for it once it's "HardSPL'd" so to speak?
Another question is: should I wait for the Toshiba K01 which features a QWERTY keyboard instead? I've used an iPhone a few times and the on-screen keyboard was rather irritating.... is it something I'd get used to? Would I be able to use services like biotouch.exe by HTC which greatly improves touch accuracy?
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Okay wow, FINALLY a Windows Mobile device with a DECENT CPU. I don't care if it's a one-day-lasting charge. I LOVE the speed. 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU.
If you haven't yet seen it, look around on YouTube for videos of the Toshiba TG01 that just entered release last month. It runs WM6.5's titanium sooooo smoothly with an incredibly high framerate.
I know it doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard, but almost every feature matches the XPERIA including the WVGA resolution screen, only slightly bigger which I like anyway. And it is a capacitance touchscreen like the iPhone... also with no annoying frame around it for dust to collect... Perfect!
It also has an accelerometer.
So I'm willing to give up on my XPERIA, but being that the TG01 is not HTC-based, would there be as much developer interest and would there be many custom ROM's made for it once it's "HardSPL'd" so to speak?
Another question is: should I wait for the Toshiba K01 which features a QWERTY keyboard instead? I've used an iPhone a few times and the on-screen keyboard was rather irritating.... is it something I'd get used to? Would I be able to use services like biotouch.exe by HTC which greatly improves touch accuracy?
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There will be alot of developer interest, there won't be any forums here. There will probably be custom ROMs just like the Dell Axim PDA. There won't be alot of ROMs though I bet.
I wouldn't get any Toshiba phone. From what I've seen they have no idea what they are doing. The only thing really unique about it is the amazing screen domain and the fast CPU.
Sooner or later HTC [Earth's most dedicated Windows Mobile phone smith] will release a processor just as good as the snapdragon. I wouldn't even get the TK01 because obviously I haven't seen the phone in real pictures and I by the looks of the TG01 they are disappointing us and I know that Toshiba is pulling the iPhone trick by limiting the hardware features. They will slowly improve hardware to increase future sales. HTC is a better choice, because they make improvements that are much better than most other manufacturers except for Nokia which I think make better phones every time.
And the touch screen keyboard is a nuisance. With a resistive screen if you planning on using two thumbs then don't get Toshiba TG01. I read that you hate iPhone's touch screen keyboard, and I am sure you're gonna hate Toshiba's current lack of multitouch which makes it worst. If you planning on typing gradually or with a stylus, then it would be okay choice.
I think Toshiba will handle the sensitivity well. It's just that many prefer multitouch typing, and we don't have that technology implemented on Windows Mobile yet.
Beside you are trading off for a headphone jack, keyboard, and media panel.
Would you rather type slowly on your Toshiba TG01 and consume 10 minutes or type quickly on your Xperia and consume 4 minutes?
The choice is yours. The CPU only affects one portion of speed. The button design of the phone is important too.
Also when the phone dies within 1 day, imagining a situation in which you can't charge the phone for 3 hours. You've consumed 3 hours of productivity and entertainment. So your opinion that battery life is not important is totally wrong. Having a fast phone but not being able to use is like having slow phone and being able to use it.
However, I think that fast CPUs might make devices last longer because it makes the device more stable and less prone to application hang and issues.
The TG01 has nothing going for it except the CPU. 1ghz is nice, but when you have no keyboard and a superbly annoying interface I have to say - no thank you.
okay point taken... so it's a resistive touch indeed. i mistakenly assumed that its smooth hard screen surface meant it has a capacitance touch.... how do they get the two films of sensor sheets to make contact underneath a hard screen surface?
i was just typing on my xperia on-screen with maxkey/fingerkeyb2 keyboards and the like. i dont think i type fast enough for me to want multitouch on-screen typing hehe.
yes i overlooked the headphone jack which means a lot to people... for me personally i havent used my headphone jack once though... hehe.
and i only used my xperia for entertainment when i first got it then i simply got bored of it hahaha...
i dont see how their interface is annoying. i'd probably still stick with wm6.5's titanium home screen but i still havent tried their strips/blinds interface which still looks rather intuitive nonetheless. and the shaking gestures is kinda fun lol.
it's funny how some of their marketing mimics XPERIA's colour scheme.
you're right about the battery life though..... i guess that's my only drawback........
personally i'm really digging the size. i love how it's big (slightly larger screen size than the iphone). xperia is really cool being that it's so sleek and fits very comfortably in your hand, but i always expected the screen to be larger and put that high resolution to better use. after all my vision isn't 20/20 haha. i think the trend for smallest/compact has now turned to being all about largest/slimmest... easier on the eyes and good for HD stuff (i.e. nVidia tegra, HTC MAX 4G). big slabs yet thin...
ohhh welllzzz..... guess i'll wait....
OK, this is bulls*it. But my 2 cents.
Fine, everybody is talking about the Toshiba 1GHz, how fast it is/it is gonna be, how it'll kick XYZ ass, etc. But hey, do people really know what 1GHz is? Do they know how fast it'll REALLY be? It's not too far away when HTC was having an issue with low graphics quality.
1GHz is just a number, looking nice in the papers. But without propper drivers etc. it doesn't neccessarily have to be as fast as for example devices with 800MHz today.
There is of course a sort of people who will always wait for the fastest (yeah dude, it's in the papers, dude!) device, although they won't fully use it. That reminds me an old Greek tale about a donkey and straw - he was also waiting for better and better until he died, alone and hungry.
So my advice - try it first, then make decision
Well the 1ghz snapdragon aint an CortexA8 but people say its faster then the cortex and it also uses arm instruction set V7 but since windows mobile doesnt even use instruction set 6 youre kinda screwed and you wont benefit from all the nice gimmicks..
You are all talking about how it sounds on paper.
Get out and actually TRY ONE!
IT ****ING ROCKS!!!!
I went to my local Orange shop this afternoon to see one and have a play with it.
The handset is about the size of the old XDA Exec (HTC Universal) but thinner than an iPhone. In fact the 4.1" screen is almost as big as my Polaris.
It's lightweight, but feels solid and well built. The screen was clear and bright, even under the shop's bright lighting. The phone comes with WinMo6.1, but I'll bet that Toshiba will have an upgrade to WinMo6.5 at some future date.
The touchscreen is sensitive and responsive, but the most obvious indicator of speed is the screen flip when you turn the phone on it's side. Most HTC devices take a second or two to flip the screen from portrait to landscape. This takes no more than 0.5s. The delay is barely noticeable.
There's no D-pad and only 4 small buttons on the bottom strip of the phone, so if you find it hard to use a phone without a D-pad, this may be a deal-breaker. That said, the screen is so large that you should be able to hit on-screen controls easily. The SIP keyboard is nicely sized and I was able to type quickly with no spelling errors (I didn't notice any obvious autocorrecting going on). The numbers layout is in a line though, and I would have preferred a "telephone" layout for the numbers.
The Orange version of the phone comes with an Orange Home screen which mimics the appearance and functions of the OmniaHD interface. Think of TouchFlo3D with the slider up and down the left side of the screen instead of across the bottom of the screen. I consider it to be nicer to use than WinMo6.5' Titanium UI which tends to fill the screen with text.
OFC, people are more interested in the new "Stripes" UI that Toshiba are presenting with this phone. Orange have kindly provided a simple way to switch between the Orange Home screen and Stripes from the Program list.
The Stripes UI is nice to look at and the rotation of the stripes is smooth, but it's insanely sensitive to swipes. If you want to swipe along one or two stripes, you have to use a small or slow gesture because a normal swipe sends the stripes *flying* along.
The stripes themselves are simply categories of functions. There's phone calls, SMS messages, audio/video, GPS and a few others as well. You can also change the colour scheme between about 3 presets. I'm just wondering how long it will be before some enterprising coder dumps the ROM and extracts the cab for the Stripes UI. I personally prefer the Orange Home screen, but that's just me.
The phone comes with CorePlayer out of the box and is the primary video player from Stripes. It also comes with a G.I.Joe trailer and it's fantastically clear and colourful for video playback. I don't think video playback will be a problem with double the usual processing power.
The one thing I didn't get to try was the internet or phone calls because I was hoping to try the "shake twice to answer" feature. The microSD slot is under the back plate where the battery and SIM go. It will also reliably take up to 32GB chips (if you can afford them).
All it would take is for someone to develop an LCARS theme Today screen and it would be just like the PADs from Star Trek:TNG. It's thin and light, but big enough to hold onto and read easily. If you like the Touch Diamond 2 but wanted a bigger screen, seriously consider the TG01.
As a former Xperia owner (I'm selling my latest replacement), the TG01 is functionally superior to the X1. It *feels* faster and the larger screen seems almost overwhelming if you're used to the 2.8" screen of the X1.
My only problem w/ TG01 is it only support 2100mzh UMTS which render useless for AT&T's 3G
everybody can make a 1ghz cpu but to make one which performs like one is the deal
and if it use the batt 3 times as fast as a say 333Mhz cpu it sort of beats the purpose
of it being in a handheld device
okay dude , if u wanna have the 1ghz cpu chances are u need it for smooth gaming/emulation purposes , but how u gonna get around that without any HW keyboard ?? the TG01 isnt the x1 killer *yet*
ZenithUK said:
You are all talking about how it sounds on paper.
Get out and actually TRY ONE!
IT ****ING ROCKS!!!!
I went to my local Orange shop this afternoon to see one and have a play with it.
The handset is about the size of the old XDA Exec (HTC Universal) but thinner than an iPhone. In fact the 4.1" screen is almost as big as my Polaris.
It's lightweight, but feels solid and well built. The screen was clear and bright, even under the shop's bright lighting. The phone comes with WinMo6.1, but I'll bet that Toshiba will have an upgrade to WinMo6.5 at some future date.
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I don't think Toshiba will release a rom update. Just google "Toshiba e550G Windows Mobile Petition", you will know why I sad that.
If I decide to get the TG01, I would approach the likes of cmonex and Olipro (OliNex team) with a view to getting a Hard-SPL for it.
As for ROM cooking, I've been looking at the tutorials with interest lately. As I understand it, it all starts with a ROM dump.
Dedicated sub forum
As xda will not have a dedicated sub forum for Toshiba tg01 (a pity), I suggest you all got to MoDaCo.com which now has a dedicated sub forum for the tg01. It was this forum that made i900 what it is today.
http://TG01.MoDaCo.com
If you look in the i900 section, you can see that huge activity and rom cooking going on there a, so don't be fool by the new topic start up for the tg01. see for example http://www.modaco.com/category/342/i...ia-modaco-com/
I'm very interested in this phone, but I wont go to Orange because of their poor internet bundle.
As far as Emulation/Gaming is concerned, you can either use a bluetooth gamepad (which can be found on ebay) or use a wired pc gamepad through the TG01's USB Host
Early results from FPSECE show that this is an emulation beast!! (see http://www.fpsece.net/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78&sid=2b0fb50428f1a74faa25c3061036641f)
saw the tg01 in the shop today. for me the device is too big, i could not fit it in my jeans pocket and it does not look very good, although it is very thin.
Ganondolf said:
saw the tg01 in the shop today. for me the device is too big, i could not fit it in my jeans pocket and it does not look very good, although it is very thin.
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How does it not fit?
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But hey, do people really know what 1GHz is? Do they know how fast it'll REALLY be?
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I've seen YouTube vids of the final TG01 released product and it is BLAZING fast....
holdout said:
I've seen YouTube vids of the final TG01 released product and it is BLAZING fast....
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But the screen rotation is slow.
poetryrocksalot said:
How does it not fit?
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too big, it would fit in a suit jacket pocket but not in my jeans. way too big
Hi all,
Well i had and X1 but not for long and i now own and have used the TG01 for the last few days and it is seriously quick and stable. I'm using SPM Mobile Shell as it just makes the devcie so usable and didn't like the Orange Home screen nor the Toshiba Stripes UI either.
The 1GHz processor isn't just for playing games it transforms how quick WM performs to as there is just no lag or stutter doing anything at all also CorePlayer which is pre installed plays unconverted DivX avi's with no problems no lag no stutter and everything is perfectly in sync to. The other thing is although the screen is resistive as long as you remember this and don't just run your finger over the screen but press lightly and then swipe it really is both very responsive nad fast. It's to early to really give feedback on battery life but as these next generation processors although much faster have been optimised for better power consumption the battery seems to be lasting a day easy and that's with me still constantly playing with things playing Music and watching Video's. One last thing that i thought would be a problem just isn't the lack of 3.5mm point as the Micro USB hands free adapter has a 3.5mm point so just plug in my Shure EC2g ear phones and it's all good much easier when listening to Muisc to answer a call this way.
The last thing i would say is the screen is just amazing Toshiba by using thier flat panel tech on it have done a great job the colours are bright and crisp and it's crystal clear. This devcie really does make WM fast and usable especially once you are using SPM Mobile Shell 3.0 with it well at least it does IMO. Oh and whoever claimed screen roatation is slow is wrong.
Marc
I was very excited about this phone when AT&T announced that they would be adding it to their lineup but now I'm starting to have some reservations because of its size. I've seen some videos on youtube comparing the size to the SGS II, Nexus, Skyrocket, etc. It looks freaken huge.
I know the HW wise the AT&T version and the European version are different. I don't care about that, I only care about the size. Does anyone find the phone to be too cumbersome or bulky?
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I was very excited about this phone when AT&T announced that they would be adding it to their lineup but now I'm starting to have some reservations because of its size. I've seen some videos on youtube comparing the size to the SGS II, Nexus, Skyrocket, etc. It looks freaken huge.
I know the HW wise the AT&T version and the European version are different. I don't care about that, I only care about the size. Does anyone find the phone to be too cumbersome or bulky?
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In my honest opinion, no. It's big, no doubt about that, but I have never felt that it's too big. I have slightly larger hands than normal, but many of my friends have tried it and none of them complained about it being too big to hold. My girlfriend on the other hand can't even hold it in one hand, so it's probably not a good phone for people with small hands.
It's thin so it goes down into my normal sized jeans pockets without any problem.
My recommendation: If you have normal sized hands and pockets, buy it, you won't regret it.
i find the size to be perfect, in fact, i would happily go up to 5.5inch or even 5.7 if they made it! after a day, you wont notice any difference and you'll wonder why you never had a huge screen phone before (because no-one made one, but thats not the point).
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I was very excited about this phone when AT&T announced that they would be adding it to their lineup but now I'm starting to have some reservations because of its size. I've seen some videos on youtube comparing the size to the SGS II, Nexus, Skyrocket, etc. It looks freaken huge.
I know the HW wise the AT&T version and the European version are different. I don't care about that, I only care about the size. Does anyone find the phone to be too cumbersome or bulky?
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The only way to find out is to try it out your self. I remember thinking my sgs2 was too big until I actually held it. But it does boil down to personal preferences. Also I don't think anyone here will tell you it's too big(It's NOTE FORUM)
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My girlfriend on the other hand can't even hold it in one hand
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Lol, that can't be a bad thing
Sorry couldn't resist above comment.... On a serious Note (pun intended), you will probably get used to the handset within a couple of days after seeing everything on a larger screen and then wonder how you got by all this time with smaller screens.
Just to be clear the screen size is 5.3 inches but the phone from top to bottom is 5.8 inches correct?
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yeap that's correct. I had doubts Note would be too big for me but after i get used to the large screen now i'm really happy with dimensions. It's big but not bulky and heavy. It's actually very light and slim. I didn't know that galaxy tab 7" plus has phone capability on honeycomband os. I thought to myself after i learnt it today if 7" would be even better. But i checked the technical spesifications and learnt that it is twice heavy (360g) with lower cpu power (1.2 GHz) and wider chasis around screen. So i'm pretty happy with weight and dimensions for now. Just longing for ICS official release to take full benefit of the hardware and use tablet mode like HC software wise.
I was using S2 and when Note launched , I thought what the hell is this ?
thought it's too big! one day I was shopping with me mate, he after the Note and he got it.
putting my S2 aside his newly acquired Note, My S2 was like a toy and was amazed by how much the screen looks better than my S2 .
Then we go back to the shop to get myself a Note as well.
Its big, obviously but after 3 days of use, I found the size is perfect.
except for sometimes one hand operation is virtually impossible.
it is awkward at best as a one handed since you can't reach the far Corners or the other edge of the screen. but outside of that it's fantastic
I just received my white note literally 2 hours ago and when I opened the box and first saw it sitting there I said out loud "wow"
I played with it for an hour and then put it on charge, while i do some work I need to do
I have since made and received 3 or 4 calls and I am used to it already and I do not consider it too big. But I am a person who always considered phone screens to be too small for anything useful, and until this phone haven't been motivated to change my HTC Touch HD. yeah I know sort of out of the arc.
Also I was considering buying a tablet, purely for aeroplanes and trains as to use my 18.4 inch laptop in a plane etc is a bit inconvenient. (but needed for how I use it generally). now i shall no longer buy a tablet as even with my short play i can see it can do what i was considering a tablet for.
But you really need to go and hold one and try it for yourself as other peoples and my opinion is always going to be from our perspective, which may not suite yours
seeya Ian
p.s the call quality was superb just like a phone should be and as far as I remember better than all my other phones
Thanks for the opinion guys. I'm getting real excited about it now. Only a few more days before we can pre-order. I know the specs aren't the same but I hope the AT&T version performs just as good as the international.
I was like you and had some concerns about the size, but I ordered the international version anyway. I've had it for about a week now and I find the size to be a non factor.
I have small hands. I can still use the phone with one hand with some maneuvering, but I don't find it too distracting. Sometimes the bottom of my thumb joint hits the applications button by accident when I try to reach for something in the far left top corner but I learned to adjust to it.
I love the phone and its size. I got used to it very quickly and don't even think about it now. It fits fine in all my pant pockets. The screen is beautiful and makes reading, watching videos such a joy. I don't think I'll be able to go back to a phone with anything less than 5" now.
It's just a wonderful phone.
Had the Galaxy Note for 4 days and it gets smaller by the day.
I'm on my second day with the Note, and am still adjusting to the size. By no means do I regret getting it, but it does mean that I need to walk a bit more carefully with it in my front jeans pocket (yes, they're a rather slim pair). I wouldn't dare sit with it in that pocket.
This is the first phone that can legitimately replace 98+% of my need for a laptop on-the-go, so I'll gladly live with that sacrifice.
Was doubting the purchase until I first inserted the battery, oh the gorgeous screen!
Nope, its the perfect size (this is 3 months into owning one).
Best phone I've ever had. (and I've had quite a few)
Seems large at first, but now! Now I get my iphone friends asking to see videos on my phone-"cause it looks better"
Size you get used to!
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Yeah it was BIG the first time ... now everything else is just too small
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On a serious "note" .... The 5.3' Screen size is amazing. So much on screen real estate for browsing, gaming drawing. There is a reason Samsung is selling so many Galaxy Notes. I was just typing something on my iPhone 3GS (Which i use for iPod purposes in the car) and damn that screen felt like a calculator hahah ...
deeken said:
I was very excited about this phone when AT&T announced that they would be adding it to their lineup but now I'm starting to have some reservations because of its size. I've seen some videos on youtube comparing the size to the SGS II, Nexus, Skyrocket, etc. It looks freaken huge.
I know the HW wise the AT&T version and the European version are different. I don't care about that, I only care about the size. Does anyone find the phone to be too cumbersome or bulky?
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You can always check out the device when it stocks arrive, Initially I thought it was very big for a mobile phone but after testing out the dummy phone I found that its actually a perfect size for a mobile phone for either landscape or portrait use.. I use it mainly in portrait. Also going back to a smaller phone might be hard for me which Im going to do eventually.
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Yeah it was BIG the first time ... now everything else is just too small
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+1 jajajaja
Galaxy Note it's not too big, the other phones are too small. Screen size on the phones have been increasing for years. I remember my Nokia with a 2" 176x220 screen, and thinking that you can really read some text there (previous phones had monocrome, 2 text lines screen). Then it went to 3.5" screens (the same as the iPhone, jajaja, it has the same size I had in 2006).
I remember the times when people said that 4" was too big, and now only the iPhone has a screen below 4" (and it will be solved on the iPhone 5). So 4.3-4.5" is normal for many people. 5.3 just makes it better, more glass and more pixels to work with. I can type in portrait mode without pressing 4 keys at the same time. Playing a 720p video on this screen impresses everyone.