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Should removing the battery reset time and date

Hi,
As the title says really.
I removed the battery today and upon powering it back up the time and date were reset.
Surely there is an internal battery to keep these settings isn't there?

davidlucas said:
Hi,
As the title says really.
I removed the battery today and upon powering it back up the time and date were reset.
Surely there is an internal battery to keep these settings isn't there?
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mine does not reset, but how long was your battery out? I have heard conflicting reports about an internal battery, some say yes, some say no, cant say for sure

Hi Shogun,
You have replied to my posts under your beta software posts as this was where I first noticed that my phone crashed twice and on reboot the time/date reset.
Now today i removed the battery for about a minute while I changed the sim card and the time/date reset itself again.
Trying to isolate the why its doing it.

has anyone taken their wizard apart to see if there truly is an internal battery? some people said that according to the service manual there is a spot for it... If there really is an internal battery then i would vote its dead, if there isnt one then i have no clue

Mine is brand new (less then a month) and it ALWAYS resets when i change battery (sometimes i can change itin 4 seconds and it still resets). I also have used a few programs that can detect backup batteries and 2 of them show none.

mine hasn't reset when I've pulled the battery out in the past

Thanks for the replies.
Now some do some dont now this is confusing.
I'm using a Qtek 9100 maybe thats the difference, what are you using?

I have an O2 Xda Mini S and it's also resetting.....

This is a known issue with a lot of native WM5 devices and is caused by the very small capacitor that is supposed to power the clock for some seconds while you change batteries. I don't think anything can be done.

Menneisyys said:
This is a known issue with a lot of native WM5 devices and is caused by the very small capacitor that is supposed to power the clock for some seconds while you change batteries. I don't think anything can be done.
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well you could in theory replace the cap with a battery... but you wil have to have mad soldering skills and the schematics (or repair manual possibly) and tiny battery, or maybe you could mode the case to hold a watch battery or 3 lol

How can I keep the date information when I change the battery?

Hi guys,
I have updated my Qtek 9090 to WM5. But I found an annoying problem, every time when I plug out the battery, for example to change the SIM card, the date information will lose and I must set it again when I turn it on.
Does anybody have good idea to solve this small problem?
BR,
Peter

rocqip said:
Hi guys,
I have updated my Qtek 9090 to WM5. But I found an annoying problem, every time when I plug out the battery, for example to change the SIM card, the date information will lose and I must set it again when I turn it on.
Does anybody have good idea to solve this small problem?
BR,
Peter
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What is the status of your backup battery.
Is it fully charged before AND after you change the battery.
If after changing the main battery the system reports the backup battery to be discharged, maybe your backup battery is died?

Mine does the same thing. I think our back up batteries are dead. How does one replace the battery?

the date and time gets erased every time i change batteries. quickest way to get the time/date right is to connect the xda2s to the computer via activesync (or manually correct it)

I have checked the status of the backup battery from WM5 battery information, it is 100% full. Is this information believable or not? If not, does anybody know how to change the backup battery?

rocqip said:
I have checked the status of the backup battery from WM5 battery information, it is 100% full. Is this information believable or not? If not, does anybody know how to change the backup battery?
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What % is the backup battery after you change your main battery.
Thats the key, if it says it is flat after change then your backup battery is not holding charge.
To change it I believe would entail opening your pda case and removing the old battery & installing a new battery of the same type/rate.
Don't know if they are soldered or clipped in, someone with more knowledge may shed some light.

i use the ms activesync to synchronize the date

i have the same problem.. even if i poke the soft reset button, time and date reverts to default.. september 1, 2004..
i can assure that my back up battery still works.. it loses charge and drains (my ramdisk gets wiped out) for about 30 minutes without the main batt..

I'm having the same problem as well.
Anyone found a solution to this yet?
EDITED:
I'm using Helmi_BA_WM2k5_AKU3.5_v1.4.CF2 R2
And I've confirmed this problem doesn't occur when using WM2003SE.

wuzy said:
I'm having the same problem as well.
Anyone found a solution to this yet?
EDITED:
I'm using Helmi_BA_WM2k5_AKU3.5_v1.4.CF2 R2
And I've confirmed this problem doesn't occur when using WM2003SE.
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I have no problem with that, and i am using the same rom as you.
When i remove teh battery, first i lock the device, and turn it off, making the screen all black. now i remove it, and in less than 20 secs i swap cards.
No mem loss.

When you mean by "turning it off", you meant pressing the power button and it goes to suspend mode right?
Cuz on my Dell X51v there's a function to perform a full poweroff which I can't find in this ROM.

anyone tried to remove the battery the moment just after choosing a soft reset?
1. choose soft reset
2. then when the four colored lines come out, take out the battery
3. insert new battery
4. turn on the power
5. just in case the R and G values display "NONE", just choose soft reset again
i think it's a good alternative to keep the date/time after changing batteries... i just don't know the harmful ramifications in doing so, if any...

wuzy said:
When you mean by "turning it off", you meant pressing the power button and it goes to suspend mode right?
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Of course.

Ok, this is strange.
I accidentally moved the battery latch when the screen was on, the battery fell out and the screen faded out quickly. But when I put the battery back in and reboot the device, all settings including date & time were still there!
So I tried the same method when swapping to my other battery and it worked as well! w00tz!
Done it a few times now with 100% success so far.

Drifter
I use Drifter by Kopsis when I'm in wi-fi range. Drifter uses Network Time Protocol (NTP) to set the time. Thus you can set the time even without syncing to your computer.

I'm using AKU 3.5.2 with the BuildOS on default settings and i can change my battery just fine.

Battery discharges too quickly

I have a Qtek 2020i and recently it got a serious battery problem. On a sudden the main battery started loosing its charge too early. It can become from 100% to 30% for a night (whan no operations are performed on the device). Before this breakdown the battery was loosing approximately 5% per night. At daytime when I use the machine, this process is quicker.
I use the battery for more than a year but the reason of the problem is not a battery. By the end of the day the meter shows 0% of the main battery (when in cradle, of course). Meanwhile the backup battery remains 100% and hard reset is not performed. If the main battery would really be 0%, I would loose all my data, but it never happens.
After I put my device in the cradle, it is "recharged" to 100% for less than an hour.
I made a hard reset of my device and after it the meter worked well. But after restoring the data from backup the problem reappeared.
I have some other problems that may be related to the battery problem. The Camera.exe looses its label in Programs and stops starting by pressing hardware button.
The device is loading slower after soft reset.
I change time for one Alarm. It works not only in the new time but also in all the previously set times.
There is a thread where similar problems were discussed, but there is no solution for the battery problem. Here is its link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282763&highlight=battery
The problem may be in the register or in the battery driver or wherever. Please, someone help me and describe the solution for the other users of Apline.

Sounds to me like your battery is knackerd it does happen look on e-bay loads of places (usually in Hong Kong) selling new ones maybe even get a uprated one the standard one in the XDA IIi is a 1300Ah they do sell 2400 and even 3600 Ah ones I am in the process of buying a 3600Ah one myself, they are not a vast fortune (around £15 GBP) and worth that.

I have an upgraded battery myself. The computer behaves with it like with the 1300. Only the bigger battery discharges slower. But still quicker than few weeks before. This is a software problem and it disappears after the hard reset. But i don't want to make a hard reset and reinstall all my programs from zero. Besides, the problem can reappear. So, this is not a solution.

Software cannot run a battery down alone unless you have something permanatly turned on, that would be your choice.
if there is a hardware fault that could

Moses_Ivanov said:
I have an upgraded battery myself. The computer behaves with it like with the 1300. Only the bigger battery discharges slower. But still quicker than few weeks before. This is a software problem and it disappears after the hard reset. But i don't want to make a hard reset and reinstall all my programs from zero. Besides, the problem can reappear. So, this is not a solution.
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i had a large capacity 3600mah battery and it was stuffed it would just lose all its juice instantly.
apart from getting a new bat, have you updated your firmware? or just reinstalling your firmware, there may a be prob with it.
but it does sound more likly that its time to buy a orbit

The most likely option is that wireless is on and not being indicated by the led or on the display, go into connections and see if it shows or better still see if your laptops wireless connection can see the phone, sometimes the indicator does not show but it is active.

skeeve666 said:
i had a large capacity 3600mah battery and it was stuffed it would just lose all its juice instantly.
apart from getting a new bat, have you updated your firmware? or just reinstalling your firmware, there may a be prob with it.
but it does sound more likly that its time to buy a orbit
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I never made an update of my firmware. Dou you mean a hard reset by reinstalling the firmware or some updating (new ROM version etc)? The batteries come without any firmware. My ROM version is 1.11.00 WWE. I guess, there must be an update, but after updating the ROM I will lose all the date on the device, and I don't want this happen.

robsno said:
The most likely option is that wireless is on and not being indicated by the led or on the display, go into connections and see if it shows or better still see if your laptops wireless connection can see the phone, sometimes the indicator does not show but it is active.
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I made a test and my wireless is not on.

i ment the rom, sry i deal with pc`s all day and it tends to stick.
yup update the rom, this may be your porblem, but make sure you do not update it on a vista pc, as it wont and you will end up stuck in boot loader mode. only update on a XP machine.
failing that its a buggered battery

Now I will not do anything that can make me reinstall my programs (as i have many). I am looking for some registry key, a checkbox, a process to be killed to solve the battery problem and leave the whole system inchanged.
I already have a solution, but I am not satisfied with it. Thgat is to make a hard reset no backup. Naturally, I will have to reinstall all my programs after that.
This solution has two bad points:
1. Reinstallation of all programs. That is a several days of work.
2. I will not know the reason of the failure. If the problem keeps returning in future, I will have to repeat the whole process again and again.
After the hard reset the meter works good, so I am syre that the battery is not buggered.

I am begining to wonder if you have a virus in it causing the problem? do you have any AV software?

what software do u have on it that will take several days to reinstall? there may be some compatablitly problems with the programs fighting for resorces.
and if you do a hard reset u may as well update the firmware.
i have just installed a new touch screen on my dads 2020i (his second in 3 months) and had to reinstall over 16 programs and that only took 30mins including removing and resoldering the new touch pannel. his backup battery is dead ;[.

McAfee VirusScan McAfee VirusScan

I tested my device with Airscanner Mobile AntiVirus Pro and McAfee VirusScan. They did not find anything, as I had expected.
I also made a hard reset to my device and switched my batteries several times. The device was recognizing them and showing correct information about their state. Both batteries worked long and short periods of time. So, the batteries are perfectly alive as well as computer hardware.
I use my PPC extensively, as we are not allowed to have pirate software on office computers. So I often prefer the Pocket PC to the Desktop one. I have more than 50 programs installed on my Pocket PC: maintenance tools, GPS programs with maps and waypoints, a reader, a player with plugins, a dictionary with the complicated installation procedure, some games. The list is not full. The setups for all of them are situated in different places. I would also have to copy my contacts and appointments. These are not hard jobs, but there is too many of them.
Besides, I am not as proficient as you, skeeve666.
If I don’t find a solution for my problem, I will reinstall my software in the weekend. That will help me to make rearrangements in it. By the way, do you know, where the newest firmware is? Anyway by looking for the answer to the battery question I learn more about my device.
Who knows, maybe I am lucky.

Moses_Ivanov said:
I tested my device with Airscanner Mobile AntiVirus Pro and McAfee VirusScan. They did not find anything, as I had expected.
I also made a hard reset to my device and switched my batteries several times. The device was recognizing them and showing correct information about their state. Both batteries worked long and short periods of time. So, the batteries are perfectly alive as well as computer hardware.
I use my PPC extensively, as we are not allowed to have pirate software on office computers. So I often prefer the Pocket PC to the Desktop one. I have more than 50 programs installed on my Pocket PC: maintenance tools, GPS programs with maps and waypoints, a reader, a player with plugins, a dictionary with the complicated installation procedure, some games. The list is not full. The setups for all of them are situated in different places. I would also have to copy my contacts and appointments. These are not hard jobs, but there is too many of them.
Besides, I am not as proficient as you, skeeve666.
If I don’t find a solution for my problem, I will reinstall my software in the weekend. That will help me to make rearrangements in it. By the way, do you know, where the newest firmware is? Anyway by looking for the answer to the battery question I learn more about my device.
Who knows, maybe I am lucky.
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like is said if you hard rest u may as well flash your firmware, and you said u hard reset.
why is this a problem? and no offensese and no need for you to take one, as you already have. but i realy dont see why you wont try this as you have already "factory reset" aka hard reset your phone. but after a reflash backups wont work.
as for the latest firmware just look in the update section. you must not update in vista only on a xp pc.
but after all this, it may just be a hard ware prob that only effects your battery monitoring

The reason why my battery was discharging so quickly is not known to anyone, including the staff of a service center. So, I made a backup of a faulty system (as a memory) and did a hard reset.
After a day of installing over 50 programs my computer is better than ever. I did not dare to install some other firmware but I placed as much data as possible to the Storage Card and now I have a maximum of 50 Mb free Program memory and 46 Mb of Storage memory. I upgraded some programs and improved the work of the other.
I am thankful to everyone who showed interest to my battery problem. I wish everyone good luck in using Qteks.

do you have a link to a 3600 mAh battery?

skeeve666 said:
i had a large capacity 3600mah battery and it was stuffed it would just lose all its juice instantly.
apart from getting a new bat, have you updated your firmware? or just reinstalling your firmware, there may a be prob with it.
but it does sound more likly that its time to buy a orbit
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Is that batterry much more thicker than original one? Could you upload a small photo to see how your device is look like with that battery installed?

Isteban said:
Is that batterry much more thicker than original one? Could you upload a small photo to see how your device is look like with that battery installed?
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unfortunaly this was a while ago, and that battery was set for recylcing, but it is alot more bulky it sticks out about 4-5mm i have gone with 3 original batteries just have to swap them out

I bought a 3600mAh battery from Hong Kong was about £9.99 if I remember right but it came with a new back to cover the thicker battery and that battery lasts me up to 48 hours provided I dont leave the screen turned on best thing I have done for it IMHO
did some digging and I put this in another post
think this is the link
http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/battery_centre/
it cost £9.99 plus I think it was £4.99 P & P

Overheating problem

My athena start overheating and when that happen the battery is draining very, very fast, faulty hardware or faulty battery what do you think?

I think you have the bluetooth and wifi ON, and the screen backlight at near full brightness ! if not you might be looking at faulty hardware, but I would hard reset it first !

ice_coffee said:
I think you have the bluetooth and wifi ON, and the screen backlight at near full brightness ! if not you might be looking at faulty hardware, but I would hard reset it first !
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Thanks for your advice, bluetooth is always on, the screen backlight is half the scale and it is not associated with wifi because i don't use it to much.It appears that i have to send it for repairs...

Something in the background?
I had this with a different PDA and there was a process always running in the background that used all the CPU time. Is your microdrive always running? (You can hear a whine if you hold it to your ear). Is something you've installed accessing it a lot (eg a today plugin)?
I presume you've tried a soft reset. Have you tried a hard reset? Try it, and install programs to Storage Card or built-in memory and see if that helps.
If it still does it after a hard reset and no software installed, then yes, it has to go back.

Agreed hard reset. Eliminate software potential problems. Then reseat your battery. If neither work then if under warantee send it all back. If not under warantee I'd be tempted to spring for a new battery. I had what I think was a battery problem similar to what you describe.

Thank you, for advices!
I have just hard reset my Athena and now is time for testing various software combinations.
All my programs are installed in main memory, i use microdrive only for storage purposes...
c1oudrs, could you tell me how to reset battery? it sounds very interesting

What I mean by reseating your battery is just to take it out, let it cool down, put it back in when cool. Dont be alarmed if you have to try to reseat your battery a couple of times to get the power back as it has to fit just right\be latched in just right, but the Athena battery is made to come out/be swapped out. You might want to read p23 and 24 in the users manual. In regaards to hard reset, back up your device as a hard reset will wipe everything that isnt in the rom. p228 in the manual for the hard reset. Taking out the battery shouldnt make it hard reset only soft reset but I would back important info up before taking the battery out anyway. And do regular backups as sop. I only had a heating problem with the battery once with another device (an axim) but it was scary. It started heating up like gangbusters in my pocket.) Reseating the battery took care of it (I swapped out the battery actually) but afterwards I had no problems with either battery. So you figure. Never had a problem since. So its worth a try.

c1oudrs said:
What I mean by reseating your battery is just to take it out, let it cool down, put it back in when cool. Dont be alarmed if you have to try to reseat your battery a couple of times to get the power back as it has to fit just right\be latched in just right, but the Athena battery is made to come out/be swapped out. You might want to read p23 and 24 in the users manual. In regaards to hard reset, back up your device as a hard reset will wipe everything that isnt in the rom. p228 in the manual for the hard reset. Taking out the battery shouldnt make it hard reset only soft reset but I would back important info up before taking the battery out anyway. And do regular backups as sop. I only had a heating problem with the battery once with another device (an axim) but it was scary. It started heating up like gangbusters in my pocket.) Reseating the battery took care of it (I swapped out the battery actually) but afterwards I had no problems with either battery. So you figure. Never had a problem since. So its worth a try.
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Thank you, i will try.

gtm55 said:
My athena start overheating and when that happen the battery is draining very, very fast, faulty hardware or faulty battery what do you think?
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i got same problem once a while. it every ignoring.

After hard reset and formatting the microdrive, everything is working ok (for now).
Thanks for your support!

It seems to be a problem with one particular battery for me. Every time I use that battery, I experience overheating. I have 4 batteries altogether so I always use that particular battery as the last resort. Other batteries are fine. I didn't have to hard reset or anything.

Is it possible to disable time memory on HD

Since the timebomb thing in Dutty's 1.8 XTREME ROM, and I have to copy the CONTACT file from it, is it possible to do that by disabling the system time memory of it? I took off the battery several hours ago but it dosen't work...
Thanks in advance!

Upgrade to 1.9b
Unfortunately, things like clock memory and such are stored by a small battery in the phone. Not the battery you charge each time, but a battery that you can't remove without opening your phone up and physically removing it. That little battery keeps a small charge running through your phone so that your phone doesn't forget important little things (like time, settings, bios stuff).
I would recommend you just upgrade your ROM to 1.9b, and try to sync first to save your contacts. Good luck.
Caid.

Caid444 said:
Unfortunately, things like clock memory and such are stored by a small battery in the phone. Not the battery you charge each time, but a battery that you can't remove without opening your phone up and physically removing it. That little battery keeps a small charge running through your phone so that your phone doesn't forget important little things (like time, settings, bios stuff).
I would recommend you just upgrade your ROM to 1.9b, and try to sync first to save your contacts. Good luck.
Caid.
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Thank you very much, Caid!
If I upgrade my ROM to 1.9b, the contacts in 1.8 will be lost, how could it be saved?

Try PIMbackup!