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Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...
i do agree on the 6.1 and 6.0 section like the hermes but thats about it. i love this forum. please go troll somewhere else.. like the middle of the road
I don't think there are enough 6.0 users left for seperate forums. Most ROM's are 6.1 now.
This forum is for software Development and software issues. I think this would be a good place for discussion of issues with 3rd party apps (e.g TomTom & iGO problems), where as the Kaiser general forum can be used for discussion of HTC / M$ problems and any other Kaiser issues (e.g. Breakages etc.).
My 2c's worth.
That's what this forum is for...
i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom
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IMHO, the creation of new applications for all WM devices.
I see your point, not many applications will be developed specifically for the kaiser (except maybe Kaiser Tweak ).
I think the Dec & Hacking should be for proper Devs & Hacks writing new apps and this be used for Kaiser Software Issues. Kaiser Software Development does seem pretty redundant.
Again, just my speculation. Maybe the mods will explain this fully in time.
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i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom
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Most of the Noobs, who are spamming the forums are using 6.1, so life would be quiet in the 6.0 forum
Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.
As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:
To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.
I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.
In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.
Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.
Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now
So lets hang loose and see what develops
Mike
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lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
I am still missing the newbie & locked thread section though
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Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.
As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:
To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.
I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.
In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.
Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.
Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now
So lets hang loose and see what develops
Mike
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Then maybe someone should move all the crap request or sorry cab requests and other software questions, software gides, etc into this forum instead of the rom forum
like
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337900
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376436
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375100
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376415
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370208
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376331
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371503
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376358
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334759
and the list goes on
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lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
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Get Aids...
ljinsane said:
lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that
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Get Aids...
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Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!
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Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!
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Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!
both of you need to jump off a bridge ;\ HOLDING HANDS THAT IS!
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Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!
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LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.
So you are contributing to the worthless post level.
...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.
This probably won't end the argument. But the point of separating upgrading etc. is for more organization. If I want to look at roms I look in the rom section. If I want to find a good keyboard I'll look in this section. Another good reason for more organization for this phone as opposed to other phones is that this phone's forum population is twice as large as the next biggest forum population.
I'll save my insults for when you reply to this.
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Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...
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Dude, what's wrong? You can't read?
Kaiser general: For general questions about the kaiser, and general issues with your kaiser.
Kaiser accessories: For discussion of accessories for the kaiser.
Kaiser software: For software development, software specific issues, cab files, programs, etc. etc.
Kaiser ROM development: For ROM development and ROM specific issues
Stop complaining. The seperation of categories as it is now will definitely assist with organizing this messy kaiser section.
And as for there being no other phone sections that are like this, well... THEY SHOULD BE. Organization is a good thing, and that's what this is.
Now if you think we need ADDITIONAL organization, by adding even more sub-categories to the current categories...... such as WM6 and WM6.1 subcategories under kaiser software... that would be cool. Otherwise... just stop.
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LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.
So you are contributing to the worthless post level.
...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.
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Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.
VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!
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Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.
VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!
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The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.
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The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.
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One answer.... MOD'S!!!!!
Moderators use the many sections to keep the forums organized. I've meen a moderator of about a dozen different forums over the years.
Mods use their abilities to move threads that are in the wrong category, without deleting it. I'm telling you, more categories, and pleanty of sub-categories are very useful... and the mods can keep it all organized.
Just saw this post over at wmpoweruser.com, and thought I would share it over here. Looks like HTC gives XDA a big pat on the back
This tidbit is not exactly ground-breaking, but it is an answer to a question that has been asked many many times:
How is it that XDA-Developers still exists, despite the rampant hacking of the Windows Mobile operating system and OEM software (especially HTC’s) that occur there.
aqtrans put this question to HTC’s official representative on twitter:
@htc since you don’t backport OSes, how do you feel about the community filling that void? I’m running WM6.1 on my Wizard thanks to them.
@aqtrans while we can’t officially comment on backporting OSes, we will say that we are happy there is such a vibrant developer community!There is no doubt im my mind that Windows Mobile would not be half as popular as it is now without the support provided by XDA-Developers, which to my mind ads a vibrancy to the platform lacking from more dull platforms like the Blackberry OS or Symbian. I am glad even HTC realizes the value of this very important community, which will hopefully continue going from strenght to strenght.
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Hey Guys
Could anyone explain why this website is "not manufactured by htc = no support" ????
i mean is it a technical problem ? maybe a flashing problem ? because the people who make roms etc ... im sure they would like to make roms for any kind of phone and not only for htc.
Second:
xda support... i don't understand the term really and it doesnt make much sense ... i think we're a community who owns xperia's and modify the roms and make customization and make it public ... just like themes, icons, programs... for example all programs or icons available as cabs or other formats they can be used by any wm phone.
And also registry tweakings, hw problems we discuss etc.
so my question is does this website have a policy not to create a section for non htc phones ? or there are technical problems ? If there is a policy then i think all people who buy X2 should find another website and create a new community and if it's more technical reated well i propose to make anyway a section for X2 and exchange ideas ... share programs tweaks... etc.
i guess the reason for this is to keep a tight community.
there are many HTC devices and enough people to service.
if you find a website on dogs then it is very understandable if they dont want posts about cats. you can however argument they should do a website about all animals because in general they all eat, sleep and ****. also you can add humans for this reason . if you think long enough then you need only 1 page for carbon-based lifeforms ...
its the internet. you pick a theme, create a page and (normally) stick to it. Its the best way to find experts in your field/theme.
- QuadWord
p.s.: i guess the X2 is a (first time) special case because it will be similar to the X1 in many ways. it is only a matter of time to wait for the first X2 owner posts here. then we will see if this forum tolerates cat/dog mutants ;-) the best compromise would be to add a small x2 subforum in the x1 section. the x2 software and rom will be an essential source for x1 modifications an therefore the x2 should have a small place here (my opinion).
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p.s.: i guess the X2 is a (first time) special case because it will be similar to the X1 in many ways. it is only a matter of time to wait for the first X2 owner posts here. then we will see if this forum tolerates cat/dog mutants ;-) the best compromise would be to add a small x2 subforum in the x1 section. the x2 software and rom will be an essential source for x1 modifications an therefore the x2 should have a small place here (my opinion).
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Man is funny your comparison
QuadWord said:
i guess the reason for this is to keep a tight community.
there are many HTC devices and enough people to service.
if you find a website on dogs then it is very understandable if they dont want posts about cats. you can however argument they should do a website about all animals because in general they all eat, sleep and ****. also you can add humans for this reason . if you think long enough then you need only 1 page for carbon-based lifeforms ...
its the internet. you pick a theme, create a page and (normally) stick to it. Its the best way to find experts in your field/theme.
- QuadWord
p.s.: i guess the X2 is a (first time) special case because it will be similar to the X1 in many ways. it is only a matter of time to wait for the first X2 owner posts here. then we will see if this forum tolerates cat/dog mutants ;-) the best compromise would be to add a small x2 subforum in the x1 section. the x2 software and rom will be an essential source for x1 modifications an therefore the x2 should have a small place here (my opinion).
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I nominate you for best forum thread answer EVER!
I guess you missed the point of this site / forum: as from the beginning xda-developers has been the community for the XDA (like O2 XDA, Qtek, I-mate & the latter HTC-) users who wanted or needed their underperformed Wallabies to be as promised.
Later the BlueAngel, Alpine etc devices came out and this site is / has been the place to be for these devices.
I had the Blueangel, Hermes and now the Kovsky.
When i had a SE-P800 i knew the great cooks here dindn`t do any symbian-stuff so i had to go for an another site; this is (i guess) very normal?
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Of course i`m one of the Kovsky-users who likes to see the X2-stuff here ported for the X1 !! But no hard feelings if that`s not going to happen; the internet-village isn`t so big so we`ll visit a X2-related site also ;-)
All we are going to see is probably some stuff being ported from X2 to X1. So does the rom etc. I dont think we'll see any rom for X2 popping up here,or if there is it'll probably be in the off topic section.
i dont know much about technical stuff,but i remember reading it somewhere that HTC made phone have their own "different" bootloader thing. Thats why hardSPL on some htc devices is pretty much similar,different to other non htc device like omnia.
someone please correct me if im wrong.
cheers
we all need to agree on a X2 sight that we will all go onto otherwise we will disperse!!!
Sorry for posting this here, but I couldn't really find a suitable place since most of the Android action is right here.
These past weeks I've noticed an increase of irrelevant threads and clutter being made in regards to Android development in the HTC Dream forum and every other Android development forum on xda. A lot of Android devices out on the market now are not made by HTC. This of course is causing a problem since this forum is for HTC devices only.
Maybe it would be a good idea if a new forum was created that accounts for all native Android devices (Motorola Droid/Milestone, Motorola Cliq/Dext, Samsung Galaxy, etc...). That way, a lot of the clutter would surely be resolved and a considerate load would be taken off of this server (Gotta hate the horrible load on xda these days...).
I'm sure there are quiet a few people on here that have an HTC device and are fully satisfied with it (Me included!). That doesn't mean that everyone else has to feel the same way. People that choose to go with Samsung, Motorola, etc. for their next Android device should not be left out. That's why I believe there should definitely be a forum that serves everyone.
To put up a new forum specifically for this matter takes no time at all, but it does take participation. So if you feel like this is something you would like to see, please feel free to leave a comment.
What are you're opinions on this matter? Agree? Disagree?
Discuss.
EDIT: If there's enough people interested in this project, would there be anyone willing to help getting things started in terms of hosting space or something similar?
my thoughts are that the few changes that have been recently made should help if they are utilized. now we have a forum for general android development for devs, and the rom releases are in the device specific forums. Here was my idea, but i think they made the right choice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4795376&postcount=1
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my thoughts are that the few changes that have been recently made should help if they are utilized. now we have a forum for general android development for devs, and the rom releases are in the device specific forums. Here was my idea, but i think they made the right choice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4795376&postcount=1
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It's a start. But I don't think xda is going to put up more sub forums for each new device out there. Thus, development and ROM threads for Motorola and other devices will be left out. Unless I understood your post incorrectly
no, you're right, i just dont think xda WANTS to keep up with every brand that uses android. they apparently keep their focus on HTC devices. there are gonna be a FLOOD of manufacturers utilizing droid in the future, and unless xda wants to change their focus, they will stick with one brand
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no, you're right, i just dont think xda WANTS to keep up with every brand that uses android. they apparently keep their focus on HTC devices. there are gonna be a FLOOD of manufacturers utilizing droid in the future, and unless xda wants to change their focus, they will stick with one brand
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Yea that's exactly my point.
There WILL be a flood of Android devices from all kinds of manufacturers and it would be nice if there was a place for all of them come together. That way, everyone can keep track of specific development without having to switch between dozens of forums.
My $0.02.
good luck, my friend. Most likely it will take someone to else to start a new site to accomplish. funny, i was fooling around a couple days ago and did this. http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=176593179336&v=wall
not saying this is the solution, but you are not alone in your concerns.
I see that a few agree with me, care to share your point of view? Maybe it will spark this thing.
Hi Everyone,
We've received some requests to split this forum into a ROM Development section (WM) and an Android ROM Development section, please let us know what you think by voting. Feel free to post any additional comments in this thread.
Thanks in advance!
Flar
Site admin
I've stickied this till poll is closed
Right now there doesn't seem to be a ton of Android threads, but I imagine that will increase as it is perfected. As the number of threads increase there will start to be more and more confusion.
Ways to alleviate the confusion is by separating the threads or by people standardizing their thread titles. As it is right now there's enough variation in thread titles to make it a little confusing to figure out what ROM is what. Although I have to admit that cooks are getting much better over time with this process thankfully.
If thread titles were standardized I don't think there would be a need for a separation of ROMs really, although it wouldn't hurt besides the pain to moderators that have to monitor and move threads.
[ROM or KITCHEN][Languages (WWE, etc)][ROM type (WM 6.1, WM 6.5, Android)][Path-optional (28014)][ROM name and version (Flashmore V2.2)][Special key points (Sense 2.5, Manila 2.1, etc.)][Date (29-Jan-2010)]
Just as an example, maybe order of things should be different such as the date being second or something. But the order should then be standardized (including format of Date for instance DD-MMM-YYYY to avoid confusing among countries that do MM-DD-YYYY instead) and all cooks should follow this without adding all sorts of other advertising and special symbols, etc. The title should tell users exactly what the ROM is and only that. The message body is where you can make things fancy and advertise other things.
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Right now there doesn't seem to be a ton of Android threads, but I imagine that will increase as it is perfected. As the number of threads increase there will start to be more and more confusion.
Ways to alleviate the confusion is by separating the threads or by people standardizing their thread titles. As it is right now there's enough variation in thread titles to make it a little confusing to figure out what ROM is what. Although I have to admit that cooks are getting much better over time with this process thankfully.
If thread titles were standardized I don't think there would be a need for a separation of ROMs really, although it wouldn't hurt besides the pain to moderators that have to monitor and move threads.
[ROM or KITCHEN][Languages (WWE, etc)][ROM type (WM 6.1, WM 6.5, Android)][Path-optional (28014)][ROM name and version (Flashmore V2.2)][Special key points (Sense 2.5, Manila 2.1, etc.)][Date (29-Jan-2010)]
Just as an example, maybe order of things should be different such as the date being second or something. But the order should then be standardized (including format of Date for instance DD-MMM-YYYY to avoid confusing among countries that do MM-DD-YYYY instead) and all cooks should follow this without adding all sorts of other advertising and special symbols, etc. The title should tell users exactly what the ROM is and only that. The message body is where you can make things fancy and advertise other things.
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I much as I agree with your recommendations, most if not all have already been mentioned in first post of this thread. We just need all chefs/devs to follow it
Hi Flar,
I think admins should split the forums at least by WM6.X and Android sections, and create a new section for WM7 in the future easily.
I think a split is a great idea. It's way to busy to find what you need.
A split between 6.1, 6.5, 7 (LOL) and Android would really clean things up.
Waste of time...
You can split it and get it lovely and tidy and 48 hours later, folks will ruin it...
I can't stand the mess, but I learn to live with it... and I think most folks do.
You can post rules, explain everything in plain English, tattoo it on their heads, and still "can you help me with my iphone?" appears.
Admit defeat already! it's like a wife... surrender to it for an easy life
I voted yes, because i think it helps to keep things clear.
But i don't know if there are actually enough androids developers and users to keep it going.
So i would say split up, and see what happens. If it turns out to be a bad idea then change it back
would reccomend this if android get more useable - but doesn't seem to be far...
But for now i'd like to see a "rom release" section and one for "rom related questions" - so it just gets a bit more useable.
best would be in my oppinion:
Touch HD:
- WM ROM release
----> here every dev opens 2 threads for his ROM - 1 for "release,bugtracker,solutions" and another for "general questions,thanks,..."
- WM ROM questions
----> all general questions wich are currently here in ROM section (Radio,SPL,and the rest)
- ANRDIOD (perhaps also split later)
----> all android related stuff
would love to see this - would make if much more readable.
Especialy the 2 thread thing for ROMs would save much time in my opinion (if used right ...)
greetings
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I think a split is a great idea. It's way to busy to find what you need.
A split between 6.1, 6.5, 7 (LOL) and Android would really clean things up.
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Organization is key in any website. More categories will improve search times and should create better overall experience if done right. With the onset of Windows 7 coming which may have completely different set of instructions like Android, they certainly required there own place. But I don't believe 6.1, 6.5 should be separated as the stickies serve all these Roms the same.
Just my thoughts..
I think that we have to split in:
1. questions and solutions (WM and android)
2. ROM's from ROM builders
Ya I Agree too... we should have split WM and Android threads so that it is much organised and easy access
+1 for splitting.
Right now there are 4-5 threads about Android, which isn't much, but they're just going to increase as it is perfected and made into a flashable ROM.
My thoughts:
Personally I think the splitting itself is a good idea, it helps the users to track of the OS that they want to use or want to use.
But come to think of it, Android OS isn't much in-need to have its own sub-category. It cannot even stand on itself as ROM yet. It still works on WiMo as background.
I disagree with the suggestion to split into WiMo 6.1, 6.5, 6.5.x, 7 or whatever else are coming out. It's definitely unnecessary and the chefs should state the version on the title of the thread, and they're doing it alright. It's also to keep members from starting new threads at the wrong sections. If we split into different WiMo versions, the next demand we can expect is that to split in each section into the-good-old TF3D, Manila 2.1, Sense 2.1, Sense 2.5 etc.
Furthermore, I think the admins are doing great jobs in trying to keep things in good shape, especially Fallen Spartan; we can see him closing down unnecessary/solved threads everyday. They're not earning money from this and they have their own lives to deal with each day, I don't think we want to burden them more by having so many sub-categories to look after, no? It's like children, the more you have, the harder for you to look after.
So I think it's unnecessary to split now. In the future when Android is ready to stand on its own, we can consider back this issue, but now is absolute unnecessary.
I think the forum should be split up and sub-splits applied within the splits...eh ROMs, How to do stuff etc.....ROMs then subsplits into Android and Blackstone and further down ( sub - sub split!) Blackstone etc etc. Is subsplit a word?
I especially would like WM split into 6.1 and 6.5 forums
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I especially would like WM split into 6.1 and 6.5 forums
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+1, it would be great!
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+1, it would be great!
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i agree to it as well. there arent much threads related to Android at this point. organised(its a wishful thinking i kno)6.1 and 6.5 sub forums will b a gr8 change
In support
I am in support of spliting the forum.....as suggested by other, it will keep the forum organised.....
I think separate categories/sub categories are definitely needed as it stands most forums on this site are a complete and utter mess and really disorganized.
If you was to have a simple category under each mobile device for roms/os versions etc it would organize things allot better here is a quick example..
Blackstone-->ROMS----WM
------>6.1
------>6.5
----Android
-------xxxx
-------xxxx
Obviously that is just a quick example but the current way of just chucking everything in one thread just doesn't work and is a ball-ache trying sort though when specifically looking for a 6.5 or a 6.1 rom. It would be nice to browse a version specific forum.
Also if the admins are not keen on having more subcategories why not just enforce some kind of uniform tagging rule for the releases that way we could have all the WM in one category and they will be clearly and uniformly tagged because at the moment it is really random and hard to follow, If all releases where tagged in same way it would make searching for specific rom versions/builds etc much more easily.