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850/2100 3G Diamond on Rogers CA?

I haven't found any answers so I've decided to "ask the audience".
To my understanding the Rogers Canada network uses 850/1900 for it's 3G primarily 850. Is this true?
I haven't found a mention of a North American release date for the GSM Diamond. Anyone know the date? I don't expect it till around Christmas.
I'm looking at an Australian Diamond that uses the 850/2100 bands for 3G. Will the support of the 850 band be enough to function on the Rogers network or does the phone have to support both bands for 3G to function on the network?

only gsm 850 works on my diamond. i think its 1900 for 3g

I have an European Diamond which works on the rogers network but I get GSM/EDGE but to my horror no 3G
Looking around only on a few sites can I find any mention of what works and what doesn't the closest information I could find is from this link:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/843038.html
NextG phones are 850/2100 capable, so you'll be right on most 3G networks...
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WILL get UMTS 850 signal in Cingular 3G coverage areas in the states...
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But someone also says
850MHz UMTS coverage on Rogers in Canada, but you still can't get next g
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and they go back and forth so I'm not sure what to believe and I don't think I want to buy another Diamond just to find it won't work either.
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/Jama/585 has some interesting comments as well but I'm not sure what to believe.
Can anyone confirm or deny and of this?
The question is will a Australian phone with the 850/2100 3G radio function on the Roger network?

nosgop said:
The question is will a Australian phone with the 850/2100 3G radio function on the Roger network?
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I have the Australian version (850/2100 MHz) and it supports the Telstra 3G Network. Can't see why it wouldn't work on other 850/2100 MHz 3G network.

To my understanding the Canadian Rogers network is a 850/1900 network.
Does the phone need to support both bands or will one suffice?

Rogers Diamond
I had an EU/Asia Diam and I never manage to get 3G connection. Sold the phone and bought a Rogers branded diam and by default I see 3G connection all the time on the top network status. But now I'm thinking of going back to an EU/Asia version unless I can flash my Rogers branded diam with a better ROM.

Unbranded X1 3G working in Canada / USA?

My friend has a unbranded X1, but don't know if can be compatible for the 3G network in Canada or USA? Anyone knows? Or North American ROM needs to be flashed on to enable 3G compatibility with the Carriers in North American??
Thanks in advance for any inputs

White_Hair said:
My friend has a unbranded X1, but don't know if can be compatible for the 3G network in Canada or USA? Anyone knows? Or North American ROM needs to be flashed on to enable 3G compatibility with the Carriers in North American??
Thanks in advance for any inputs
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This is a very vexed issue. Please read the thread on 850Mhz 3G connection.
The short answer is:
1) "unbranded X1" is irrelevant. Use Start>Settings>System>Device ID to find the actual device version, ie. X1i or X1a
2) if your friend is lucky and the Device ID is X1a, then the device is capable of connection to the US/Aus/S America/S Africa 850Mhz 3G band
3) if the Device ID is X1i, then no such luck. This is a hardware issue, not firmware
Both will connect to the 2100Mhz UMTS band which is commonly used in cities, so if your friend never ventures outside cities the X1i should work OK for 3G

I have a question on this, when SE 1st released info about X1, they mentioned that it's Quand band GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS/3G 850, 900, 1900, 2100. Why when they released it, they had to make 2 versions to support different networks? I think that this is stupid, they can do that for branded phones but not for SE unbraded phones, exactly like HTC and the HD, Diamond and Pro. We pay a lot of money for these for so at least give us full functionality... especially that these phones are more of business phones, so it's expected that people travel with these phones....or am i wrong about that?
thanks

I have an X1i in the US an it works flawless on the AT&T network with 3G (inc. HSDPA!!!)

rwholden said:
I have an X1i in the US an it works flawless on the AT&T network with 3G (inc. HSDPA!!!)
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In what part of the USA are you?

George Knighton said:
In what part of the USA are you?
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yeah that would be great to know.. Im in LA and i was looking to get one. I know that ATT 3G works both 850 and 1900, but depending on where you are there's one band stronger than the other.

Thanks for the info man.
I really appreciated.
Does anyone know what what band is Rogers 3G running on?
ianl8888 said:
This is a very vexed issue. Please read the thread on 850Mhz 3G connection.
The short answer is:
1) "unbranded X1" is irrelevant. Use Start>Settings>System>Device ID to find the actual device version, ie. X1i or X1a
2) if your friend is lucky and the Device ID is X1a, then the device is capable of connection to the US/Aus/S America/S Africa 850Mhz 3G band
3) if the Device ID is X1i, then no such luck. This is a hardware issue, not firmware
Both will connect to the 2100Mhz UMTS band which is commonly used in cities, so if your friend never ventures outside cities the X1i should work OK for 3G
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White_Hair said:
Thanks for the info man.
I really appreciated.
Does anyone know what what band is Rogers 3G running on?
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Please read and search before asking...
You answer is HERE (google search, first link displayed for "wikipedia rogers 3G": the band has always been there waiting for you to read it under "Services": Rogers 3G 850MHz) so you need the X1a, the X1i won't pick that band
Sorry to bother but this has been posted before (read and search before asking)

mrabie said:
yeah that would be great to know.. Im in LA and i was looking to get one. I know that ATT 3G works both 850 and 1900, but depending on where you are there's one band stronger than the other.
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I'm also on ATT in Colorado (Windsor/Ft. Collins area) and get 3G almost all the time. I've been all over the state and have got 3G service just about everywhere, only rolling over to Edge from time to time.
Oh and I've got an X1i.

40oz2Freedom said:
I'm also on ATT in Colorado (Windsor/Ft. Collins area) and get 3G almost all the time. I've been all over the state and have got 3G service just about everywhere, only rolling over to Edge from time to time.
Oh and I've got an X1i.
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Gr8 thanks for the info

yeah, I don't get any 3G in canada with my X1i.
I live in Vancouver BC, always in Edge.
I have had an occurence once, but only once! =[

I get HSDPA in the Dallas\Ft. Worth Area, and in Lawton, OK. Everywhere else I go I'm on Edge. And this is with a X1a on ATT.

ianl8888 said:
This is a very vexed issue. Please read the thread on 850Mhz 3G connection.
The short answer is:
1) "unbranded X1" is irrelevant. Use Start>Settings>System>Device ID to find the actual device version, ie. X1i or X1a
2) if your friend is lucky and the Device ID is X1a, then the device is capable of connection to the US/Aus/S America/S Africa 850Mhz 3G band
3) if the Device ID is X1i, then no such luck. This is a hardware issue, not firmware
Both will connect to the 2100Mhz UMTS band which is commonly used in cities, so if your friend never ventures outside cities the X1i should work OK for 3G
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Nobody in the US uses 2100MHz, AFAIK, and I'm pretty sure Canada follows the same frequencies.
1900, on the other hand, is supported by the X1i, which is used by AT&T, Rogers, and Bell.
The downside is that if you're unfortunate enough to use T-Mobile, the network uses 850MHz only, and you're stuck with EDGE.

man guy this is too simple to find and you open a thread for this??!!??!?! STOP CLOGGING THE FORUMS!!!!!

is the USA 3g band going to be a software or hardware update?

My understanding is that there are people who have the TP2 activated here in the US...
but 3g doesn't work since it uses a different band in EU
so...the million dollar question...
is this hardware or software issue and eventually fixable with a rom upgrade in the future?
thanks for your input

eigerzoom said:
My understanding is that there are people who have the TP2 activated here in the US...
but 3g doesn't work since it uses a different band in EU
so...the million dollar question...
is this hardware or software issue and eventually fixable with a rom upgrade in the future?
thanks for your input
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Since the hardware is very much like the Raphael hardware I would guess that the correct hardware needs to be in place for US 3G. I hope I am wrong since I have a euro version TP2 here in the states.

yeah...its looking like hardware...

It is a hardware thing. They are on different bands (Quad band and tri-band).

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It is a hardware thing. They are on different bands (Quad band and tri-band).
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I dont think it is even bands...my TP2 is quad band I believe and can not get 3G with AT&T.
Bands for my phone Quad Band 850/900/1800/1900

yah plenty of US ppl have them but the euro models only have 3g on 2100mhz (basically wifi???)
usa 3g is on different band...
the quad bands are for phone use (i think...but i'm a noob)
att 3g is 850.1900 tibble is 1700 and telstra is 850/1900
so if i understand it right...to gain 3g on different band besides 2100 (wifi/eu) you are looking at hardware

eigerzoom said:
but the euro models only have 3g on 2100mhz (basically wifi???)
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what does wifi have anything to do with this?

cmonex said:
what does wifi have anything to do with this?
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uh...lol...dont mind me
im just a nub
i should have said wcdma
astain hellbinger (im sure i mispelled that) has been home schooling me...
and he represents any knowlede i have tried to represent here...
forgive my crude interpretation
some of it is sticking though...lol

If you purchased a quadband unlocked TP2, you will never be able to get US 3G on it unless you can get the hardware modified (which in all likelihood, you can't).
If you have a TP2 with triband then it will either support AT&T (850/1900/2100) or T-mobile USA (850/1700/2100). A phone model will probably not come out that supports both T-mobile and AT&T 3G frequencies. This would require a quadband phone with (850/1700/1900/2100). A phone with all four of those frequencies has never been made.
EDGE will work on almost all carriers, world-wide, on a quadband phone EDGE will work on most carriers world-wide on a triband phone.
850 is mostly used for EDGE (both up and downlink). 1700/1900 are commonly used for uplink 3G. 2100 is commonly used for downlink 3G.
I hope that this clears things up.

As mentioned above, internal hardware is almost identical as the Raphael.
This thread gathered the most information for 3G Raphael in the US.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40
So probably hardware and no go although LTxda mentioned bricking his Raphael trying to get 3G working with Elite's team and cmonex, so maybe she as something to add !? =Þ

skyler17 said:
If you purchased a quadband unlocked TP2, you will never be able to get US 3G on it unless you can get the hardware modified (which in all likelihood, you can't).
If you have a TP2 with triband then it will either support AT&T (850/1900/2100) or T-mobile USA (850/1700/2100). A phone model will probably not come out that supports both T-mobile and AT&T 3G frequencies. This would require a quadband phone with (850/1700/1900/2100). A phone with all four of those frequencies has never been made.
EDGE will work on almost all carriers, world-wide, on a quadband phone EDGE will work on most carriers world-wide on a triband phone.
850 is mostly used for EDGE (both up and downlink). 1700/1900 are commonly used for uplink 3G. 2100 is commonly used for downlink 3G.
I hope that this clears things up.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

T-Mobile 3G

Hi,is there any way I can get my Blackstone (htc Touch HD) to pick up the 3G network for T-Mobile in the US???

Saxy said:
Hi,is there any way I can get my Blackstone (htc Touch HD) to pick up the 3G network for T-Mobile in the US???
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i'm not for sure, but, i don't believe you will. if i recall, T-Mo USA uses the 1700/2100 bands. by the way, which HD model do you have: the T8282 or the T8285?

I have the T8282 model

Saxy said:
I have the T8282 model
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so have you tried your phone with a T-Mo 3G sim? i recall reading that T-Mo must grant 3G access to 3G subscribers (certainly could have misinterpreted what i read). it's my understanding that both the T8285 and T8282 models have active 2100 bands. this being the case, you'd think one could at least get 3G service on the 2100 band.

No T-mobile 3g
Both models do not support USA 3g T-mobile.

OK Thanks, I was hoping someone on here cooked up somrthing to make it work.

Unfortunately not.
Query answered, thread closed

International usage

Hi, wondering if anyone has taken it overseas such as tokyo or europe? Does it have the correct frequencies? Can this be unlocked to use international sim?
Asking regarding ATT LTE model.

hexproject said:
Hi, wondering if anyone has taken it overseas such as tokyo or europe? Does it have the correct frequencies? Can this be unlocked to use international sim?
Asking regarding ATT LTE model.
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Europe and Asia mostly uses the 2100MHz band which the 4G LTE does not have so most likely, you won't be able to use it.
Sent from my GT-P7300

According to their website specs... 2100 mhz is supported. Dont care about 4g speeds. Only hspda or 3g is fine overseas... It also says international supported, but not sure about if its sim locked.

hexproject said:
According to their website specs... 2100 mhz is supported. Dont care about 4g speeds. Only hspda or 3g is fine overseas... It also says international supported, but not sure about if its sim locked.
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The 2100 band is for LTE not for UTMS where the rest of the world is still kinda in. The LTE version surely does not work in South East Asia, Hong Kong or Macau, I brought one with me on my trip 2 weeks ago.
Sent from my GT-P7300

I c i c. Thanks. I guess skyrocket cant work as well in asia then.... Since they are based on the same chip. For your tablet... Did you unlock it and didnt even pick up the signal?
Was thinking about free skyrocket plus 8.9 tablet...

Ehcan, did it work with 3g freq in asia though? I know no lte.. But want to know if it works with the att 8.9 unlocked.