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My Girlfriends' Blackberry Curve

Having had a 7290 for awhile, my girlfriend has always been jealous of me and what my phone thus far has been capable of, streaming video, gps, kitchens and custom roms and just the overall customization factor of my Titan. Having grown tired of her 7290 she called Rogers and *****ed, heck i even helped her ***** but little was i expecting Rogers of all networks to give her the new BB Curve for free.
I admit I haven't really versed myself about blackberries and when the agent we spoke to offered her an 8310 I had sneer on my face thinking here we go again, another blue brick for her. Imagine my surprise when we got to the dealer and I saw her new phone.
THIS THING IS SEXY AND FUNCTIONAL!! Wow RIM these days is really bringing the heat in terms of design. Hell I'm spending more time on her phone these days than on mine (not that i would trade)
See how the roles have reversed now?
Now the burning question I pose to you is.... WOULD YOU TRADE YOUR HTC PHONE FOR ONE OF THESE?!?

I would not trade my 8525 and soon to be Tilt in for a Blackberry for one reason: How does it out perform and do what mine does better? Enough said....

mchapman007 said:
I would not trade my 8525 and soon to be Tilt in for a Blackberry for one reason: How does it out perform and do what mine does better? Enough said....
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Yeah I agree but I gotta give RIM credit on having a far more stable OS than windows mobile
edit: here are interesting *ahem* incendiary articles i came across
http://www.laptopmag.com/Features/BlackBerry-vs-Windows-Mobile-6.htm
http://www.vaked.com/blackberry-curve-vs-att-tilt/

Blackberry is far more stable because it has far less software to screw it up. Not much 3rd party stuff to customize.

mvpilot172 said:
Blackberry is far more stable because it has far less software to screw it up. Not much 3rd party stuff to customize.
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Which is exactly why apple is "more stable" than pc platform. They restrict the hardware to about 3 options and then lock down what you can run on it (granted not so much on the software side but it is still limited).

Temptation too much
Looks like the temptation was too much for me to bear, I went ahead and took the plunge, bought myself a curve this past friday. Had my girlfriend looking at me like.... WTF?!? My excuse was 'No one does email better than blackberry baby plus now u can email me with no delay' don't know if it worked.
Still using my Titan for everyday use (can't give it up), my blackberry is strictly for email, makes me wonder if I'm slowly turning into a blackberry convert...crackberry anyone?
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=re...7iRobxlbjabynrWLQ&sig2=TkaPGQarLg9gkS2qvsudsw

origins81 said:
Looks like the temptation was too much for me to bear, I went ahead and took the plunge, bought myself a curve this past friday. Had my girlfriend looking at me like.... WTF?!? My excuse was 'No one does email better than blackberry baby plus now u can email me with no delay' don't know if it worked.
Still using my Titan for everyday use (can't give it up), my blackberry is strictly for email, makes me wonder if I'm slowly turning into a blackberry convert...crackberry anyone?
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=re...7iRobxlbjabynrWLQ&sig2=TkaPGQarLg9gkS2qvsudsw
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Ha! I do admit the Blackburry Curve is a sexy looking device compared to my M3100 (ugli!) and is very tempting to go and get it....
Its the sort of phone that says "look at me im american and luvin it!"
But as posted before.... its the lack of 3rd party support...
I couldnt live without my S2P as it is the music player that still gives the wow factor
but mite go and do what origins81 did and have it on contract....

I personally would not trade my Prophet for a Blackberry because I love the fact I can cook ROMs, flash stuff and install things that will never work on Blackberrys. My Prophet in combination with an exchange server also does all the email i need.
A small point though. Doesn't this thread go against:
Before you answer, think for a second, are you posting a solution or your opinion... cos if its your opinion, then thanks, you can keep that to yourself!
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from origins signature?

l3v5y said:
I personally would not trade my Prophet for a Blackberry because I love the fact I can cook ROMs, flash stuff and install things that will never work on Blackberrys. My Prophet in combination with an exchange server also does all the email i need.
A small point though. Doesn't this thread go against:
from origins signature?
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lmao i know! I thought about that when I started the thread and you're the first to call me out. This thread is all about opinions...

Everytime I see this thread I keep thinking, Blackberry Curves? Damn lumpy lady. How about Pear Curves Or Hourglass Curves. Just a thought.
I moved over to a Kaiser after having a Blackberry 8800. I like the WM based Device Better. More Options all around. But I'm a guy who likes options.

I honestly think you should kick your HTC to the curb and stick to the blackberry...yeah you can do a lot with your HTC, but it gets boring after a while..and it makes your phone run so slow..thats why you have a desktop...you keep your phone strictly for calls and emails and messaging..the rest..keep it on your computer!! Blackberries are so much more reliable, nicer, functional, accessible. least but most important...HTC'S SUUUUUUUCK!!!!

candymandysandy said:
I honestly think you should kick your HTC to the curb and stick to the blackberry...yeah you can do a lot with your HTC, but it gets boring after a while..and it makes your phone run so slow..thats why you have a desktop...you keep your phone strictly for calls and emails and messaging..the rest..keep it on your computer!! Blackberries are so much more reliable, nicer, functional, accessible. least but most important...HTC'S SUUUUUUUCK!!!!
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Though I may not agree with what you say, and I would fight to the death to protect your right to say it. I must admit, you probably shouldn't have said that.
Do you have the right to express your feelings? Yes. But, do you have to do so In an obviously inflammatory manner? NO!
You don't walk through a tiger cage wearing a Raw Meat Suit. Its just not smart. If you don't like your HTC, leave here and never look back. The people here, hence the name, are Developers. We like to build and make our phone work beyond what some people can imagine.
The more I think about it. Given this is your only post, I think you are a Troll. Go back to your bridge and leave us people who enjoy working on an "open" expandable platform alone. I've used a Blackberry, and its an ok phone. But I love my HTC so much better. If you have the belief that a phone should be a phone and you have your desktop for computing, Then you are not the target market OF the HTC product.
Thank you for stopping by. However, your kind are not welcome here.

@candymandysandy:
Given this is your first post....bad call my friend!! The equivalent of that is me posting BLACKBERRIES SUCK A**!! @ crackberry.com.
Those guys would track down me by my IP address, literally tear me apart, take pictures then PIN each other and don't expect less here.
It's an unspoken rule, you'll (trap) make more friends (flies) with honey than with vinegar
*edit* I'm lovin my curve tho

I like my blackberry
I have 2 Blackberry Curve 8310 and love em...they just look cool and as far as 3rd party software I have google maps and other google software on it and it works great. The only thing thjat bugs me is I cant find anyone that knows how to unlock these phones for free. Other than that iots great. But on the other hand what do I know I'm used to flip phones. LOL

No way to trade my Uni

These fruity phones are so irritating... blackberry... apple iphones... strawberry... blueberry... crackberry.... expensive useless fruits... everytime i saw one, i directly want to eat one
Here, in Indonesia, where image is almost number one thing for average humans, blackberry users has jumped from small hardcore-based fan, into million of users starting from early this year. Those people who want to stay-connected, 24/7 nagged and disturbable, with mails and messengers, which consider these features as plus beside the "image" they buy. Yeah, image, because even the lesser one (Curve) cost almost $500 here.
And when iPhone did launch their fruit here, even in $800 so-called "subsidized" tag (heck, subsidized at this price??), thousands get in-line to indent one.
Geez, my poor fellow countrymen. Being sucked high and dry..... by fruits!!!
So annnoying... why? I don't know with BB users in other country, but in this country, these fruits has turned million into autistic human zombie... they carry it everywhere, stich it everytime to their palm, in the toilets, while driving, in social gathering... Very annoying when you have 5 friends gathered around, but 4 of them are busy with their own fruits almost everytime....!!! Every seconds passed with the notorious "ding".. "dong".. and prompt texting to reply.... ARRGGHHHH!!!

origins81 said:
Having had a 7290 for awhile, my girlfriend has always been jealous of me and what my phone thus far has been capable of, streaming video, gps, kitchens and custom roms and just the overall customization factor of my Titan. Having grown tired of her 7290 she called Rogers and *****ed, heck i even helped her ***** but little was i expecting Rogers of all networks to give her the new BB Curve for free.
I admit I haven't really versed myself about blackberries and when the agent we spoke to offered her an 8310 I had sneer on my face thinking here we go again, another blue brick for her. Imagine my surprise when we got to the dealer and I saw her new phone.
THIS THING IS SEXY AND FUNCTIONAL!! Wow RIM these days is really bringing the heat in terms of design. Hell I'm spending more time on her phone these days than on mine (not that i would trade)
See how the roles have reversed now?
Now the burning question I pose to you is.... WOULD YOU TRADE YOUR HTC PHONE FOR ONE OF THESE?!?
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No way! never
Win_XP said:
No way to trade my Uni
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Well said!
Me neither
Uni is one of the best devices ever!

what happened to the good ol' nokia?

DhaMajoR said:
what happened to the good ol' nokia?
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One word, Symbian,
Had a Blackberry Pearl before my Tilt, if you think HTC/M$ are always one step behind, try RIM. I had that phone for 2 years with not one update, much less an OS revamp.

Nice one Mike! I like those blackberry curves!
And no, I would never go to a blackberry. Every time I visit my mother she always wants to play with my phone because her blackberry is so blah. Its just not for me man! Why would you want something you cant brick and bring back to life every week?

Need to unload my Tilt...

Mods - please forgive if this thread is misplaced!
I've gotten at G1 (Dream) and no longer have any use for this AT&T Tilt. I would sell it on Craigslist or eBay, but frankly I have no malice toward the world, and therefore will not unleash this drastic POS on some unsuspecting fool like me.
Not looking for much - I figure there is a developer here who would be happy to relieve me of it, along with two batteries and a docking station for a couple hundred bucks (I dunno?) If I'm asking too much, I apologize. It's definitely not mint, it's been beat up a bit, but is in excellent working order. The software has no issues that I'm aware of. I refuse to sell it for market price because I feel it's an injustice to do so - AT&T should have paid ME to use this stupid pofc, but I do want to get rid of it.
I'm in SoCal, local pick up in exchange for cash is preferred, would also prefer to give it to a developer who will put it to good use as a platform for testing and developing on WM6 or whatever you like. If nobody wants it, you're welcome to join me for an "Office Space" moment whilst I toss it into the middle of PCH and watch cars and heavy trucks smash it to bits. Whatever is left (I would never litter!) will be somehow otherwise consumed appropriately (perhaps a vat of acid?) and summarily disposed of.
Thank you for your interest; again, should this thread be misplaced, I apologize - instruct and I will comply kindly!
Thank you!
OH - and a BIG shout out to everyone here that helped me try to live with this thing for a few months... it was a few months too long, but I appreciate your valiant efforts nonetheless - you certainly made this thing a LOT less bad! THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP!

To paraphrase the Bard...
The dude doth protest too much, methinks

Nah - it's astounding the difference between a device that works as it should and one that doesn't. WM6 is, imho, complete garbage. And my sentiments were completely reinforced as soon as I tried Android. The Dream just does what it's supposed to as a mobile phone - for instance - I CAN DIAL. It's nice, you know?
Anybody want this thing?

I am interestedin your tilt, I will send you a PM as well to see if we can come to an agreement.

delaner said:
The Dream just does what it's supposed to as a mobile phone - for instance - I CAN DIAL. It's nice, you know?
Anybody want this thing?
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I've only had my Tilt for two weeks, so forgive my ignorance, but I am fully able to dial on my phone (quite easily, I might add!). Does my phone do something unusual that other Tilt models don't do?
Just like in the PC and laptop world, Windows boxes are typically awful "out of the box". With knowledge, customization, and tweaking, though, most users should be able to find a setup that suits them. Obviously, for people looking for something that "just works" out of the box, the Apple and G1 products are great.
Best of luck with your new phone, and here's hoping your Tilt finds a good home.
- DDB

TY TN II review

After over one year of use I just wanted to write few lines about my impression of this PDA.
I travel a lot and I thought that a PDA could be helpful to keep in touch and do the IT chores while on the go. I was very wrong and I regret having bought the damn thing. The device tries to do many things but none of them well. In retrospective it sounded too good to be true.
At the beginning I did make a point of using it to its best potential but after a while I got so tired and annoyed with it that I have used it mostly like just any other phone.
I thought I would give myself some time to get accustomed to the complexity of the device before jumping to conclusions.
Over one year later and I still find it incredibly cumbersome and totally user unfriendly. The guys at HTC should go to Apple to get a crush course in making something user friendly.
Here are just a few things. The list is way longer but I would have to go back and try most functions to recall all the flaws.
- It's super slow. I am no super fast teenage geek but I am always waiting for the stupid thing to react to any command I give. It is very annoying and it's like stepping back to the time of the 286 PCs. The speed is archaic.
- The buttons controls are very difficult to feel with the touch and are very cumbersome to operate. Especially the side ones. I am sure that even blind people would have problems using them.
- Windows mobile is as bad as Microsoft gets. It's slow, counter intuitive, user unfriendly. Early Vista at the power of ten!
- Window media player is a joke. I have been using the PDA to listen to music in the car and it's a miracle I have not crashed while trying to select some music yet.
- The touch screen is also very bad and difficult to use. A lot of the commands are way too small for a man's finger. It is very difficult to select something on first attempt.
- To open a running program is difficult. One has to press the top right menu and than select what is running by touch only. The bar is about 4 mm high and it's very difficult to select using one hand. One cannot select by using the scroll bar and button.
- During phone calls the screen goes out quickly and to get it back one has to look for the hidden button on the side, very bad.
- Voice recognition sucks. Since the controls are so bad I now use the voice recognition most times. It's rare that the damn machine get it right on first attempt. Repeating the name twice helps but not always. I end up having to raise the tone as if I was yelling. Very embarrassing in public.
- The GPS take a long time to get the satellites even when the data has been updated.
- Active sync is a disaster. The guy that design it should be shot. I have given up on it altogether. I had to buy small software to access the data in the PDA and memory card.
Active sync could just not do the most elementary operation in a simple and straightforward way.
- The booting upon starting is the longest I have ever seen. Switching it off is also a chore
The list goes on but I am getting annoyed just to think about it all. This is the first and last product I’ll ever buy from HTC. Unless you are a geek that gets pleasure messing with IT devices do not buy it. Its use will take an unhealthy amount of your time. It will not help your life, it will waste a lot of your time and annoy you in the process.
Stay away from it!

My phone works perfect, it is a delight to use, does everything you mentioned above, great to reasonably well. It is fast, user friendly and I can't wait until I can upgrade to the TP II
My advice to you, since you are clueless, get the ipod that makes phone calls, it is built and over marketed especially for clueless people.

Agreed with denco7,
My HTC Kaiser (TyTn II) is also working fine. It is a great QVGA 2.8" phone!
ActiveSync works and simply works, I have never got any issue like you described.
GPS works, although TT7 is slower than TT6, but thats TT problem, not the phone.
I found Opera Mini works briliant with the D-Pad, which is much better than D-Pad-less phone. You know, press button to zoom, back to unzoom, scroll with D-Pad ... all one handed.
Screen goes out during call? Get a clue You knew this website, it should be the best resource.
My suggestion, dont use PDA Because it might be too complicated for you.

I like my TyTN II.
Maybe some of the things you think missed, you could configure them another way to get the most of the device. I think I'll never finish to get more and more from it. And I exhausted a P4350 before changing to the Kaiser.

denco7 said:
My phone works perfect, it is a delight to use, does everything you mentioned above, great to reasonably well. It is fast, user friendly and I can't wait until I can upgrade to the TP II
My advice to you, since you are clueless, get the ipod that makes phone calls, it is built and over marketed especially for clueless people.
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The PDA was also used by a friend of mine who is a blackberry user and talented software developer with many years of experience in IT. He did notice the same things and at times the thing did drive him crazy too.
My friend is also a guy that has switched to Linux long time ago. I have been too lazy and suffered in silence with MS crap but hopefully I will find the time to invest in changing for the better.
My friend impressions made me realize that I am not clueless as you say. In fact being a marine engineer I have dealt with equipment of all sorts for many years.
The PDA is designed by geeks for geeks. It is not a product for normal people. Anybody that buys this device has to spend many, many hours tying to sort it out and make it work better. I did that at the beginning and downloaded many fixes and upgrades. The very existance of this website and the number of people that use it is an indication that this PDA is not a product you switch on and just use. Very far from it.
I think you are like many people that after spending all that money don't want to admit that they got a lemon. The fact that you want to upgrade is a clear indication that you are not that satisfied with the gadget.
Just pick it up and slide the keyboard slightly. It takes 4.8 sec for the display to go from vertical to horizontal and back. If that is fast then you must be very slow.
Cheers

Yeah I also suggest you get an iphone. It's for people just like you.
No customization and power-user options, but your grandma can figure out the basic PDA functions.
TytnII has been great for me.

This is a negative and boring thread from the op! With some effort you can do a lot with the tytn2 as well as the tytn1! Very good devices!

I very much enjoy my Kaiser. I had some of the problems the OP had when I was running the AT&T stock ROM (with bloatware), but all that changed when I started using custom ROMs. The Kaiser is actually a very capable device, the only reason it underperforms is because it's hardware isn't fully taken advantage of (but even that's improving now). Once I flash a ROM and spend a whole 10 minutes customizing the device to how I like it, it runs like a dream.
OP: As the others have said in this thread, if you aren't willing to tweak the device, and customize the living crap out of it in order to get a faster Kaiser, maybe a feature phone or iPhone would be more suitable for you.
Dave
PS: (I have a 286, and it runs fine!)

I have a tytn, tytnII, titan, touch pro and a fuze. I must admit that every one of these devices were less than spectacular in the as-shipped form from the service provider. Thats why I found this site so I could make them all perform up to their hype.
Every one of them, thanks to the wonderful developers here, will outperform an iphown now. I have had very little problems like the OP described that were not simply fixed by changing a setting here or there. I like my tilt better than any of the others I have had (except the fuze.)

My 8525 (TyTn) works great and it has less power than the TyTnII. You can not get the most out of the phone unless you get rid of the stock OS. That's why XDA Devs rocks. Once the stock OS is gone - the phones rock!

mikechannon said:
This is the Kaiser forum. A forum dedicated to supporting Kaiser owners and providing answers to specific problems.
I'm sure you can see that this is not a supportive thread for TyTn II owners.
I'm not actually sure that expressing views about strongly disliking HTC and WM is a wise idea on a website dedicated to both those things.
However, and lest I be accused of wielding evil Moderator censorship powers, I will move this thread to off-topic. There it will take up its place accumulating wise and sensible contributions to the debate.
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Hi Mike,
It's not about being supportive or not. It's about giving a broad range of perspective so if tomorrow somebody wants to buy the device they can search for information and have a better idea of what they are getting into.
Unfortunately at the time I bought mine the information available was somehow biased towards people who think that is ok to spend 750 $ for a gadget that right away needs all sorts of non OEM twicks and upgrades to perform close to its marketing claims.
In any sector or product if one buys at the very top end of the price range should expect to end up with something that works well right away.
The TY TN II does not. HTC is a company with great potential but it should take a lot longer before releasing a product such this.
I belive that censorship does not help the people behind this site that are happy with the product either. My post is not off topic. They are first hand comments on the device from somebody that owns one, just like anybody else here.
Because of lack of unbiased information many people like me or even less prepared to mess with the device will buy it and up here nagging everyone else for help. Even for the silliest problems.
Let's be clear. This is a very niche product, HTC marketing pitch is misleading. It is not a piece of consumer goods suitable for the majority of people. It has to become a pet project for the buyer otherwise will not delivery to it's full potential.
I would suggest you put this thread in a very accessible location.
I am sorry if have hurt any TY TN II lovers
I suspect that a lot of people here see the device like their own baby.
Cheers

gogol said:
Agreed with denco7,
My HTC Kaiser (TyTn II) is also working fine. It is a great QVGA 2.8" phone!
ActiveSync works and simply works, I have never got any issue like you described.
GPS works, although TT7 is slower than TT6, but thats TT problem, not the phone.
I found Opera Mini works briliant with the D-Pad, which is much better than D-Pad-less phone. You know, press button to zoom, back to unzoom, scroll with D-Pad ... all one handed.
Screen goes out during call? Get a clue You knew this website, it should be the best resource.
My suggestion, dont use PDA Because it might be too complicated for you.
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I don't want to get this thread to go on and on. The purpose of my post is to just offer an alternative perspective on the PDA. Without it, anybody that stumbles on this site may be lead to think that it is a great PDA. Indeed it is for people that are willing, knowledgeable and happy to mess with it. I don't think that the majority of people fit that category.
I believe that most people when they spend top dollars expect to buy a piece of equipment that works at its best right out of the box. After all PDAs and many other gadgets should make life easier not more complicated. That is something often forgotten.
Your appreciation of Active Sync sounds very odd to my engineering mind always appreciating things that work in a simple and logic manner. I'll comment on this one because is one of my "favorite" about the device and MS.
How can Active Sync be good if you have to install it in every computer you have to exchange data with (actually you can only install it on 2 PCs only!!). That to me is totally counter intuitive, user unfriendly and simply stupid. I should be able to roam the world and exchange data with any PC and Macs by just plugging in without having to install anything. That's what happens with most other gadgets cameras etc. How is it possible that a 750 $ device cannot do such elementary thing out of the box. It's simply unbelievable and as I said very odd to see that there are so many people that are totally fine with it and actually like the feature.
The TY TN II and any top end PDAs also cater to people like me that travel extensively and to different countries. How such elementary need to exchange data in a simple way can be overseen???
If I had know that such basic feature was not available I would never have bought the thing. The problem is that this any many other points about the device are some kind of dirty secrets that are not been told and were not available when I was about to buy the device.
Luckily I found Softick Card Export and solved the problem of accessing the PDA with any computer as if it was an external hard drive. I recommend it.
But again, after I spent 750 $ I should not have to buy and install non OEM software to download a file to a friend computer.
Come on guys, MS does not even pay you! You are paying them!

mikechannon said:
Well yes in the interests of allowing different points of view, the thread has been kept, we are all entitled to a reasoned point of view.
However IMHO it is off-topic in the sense that keeping it in the TyTn II forum which is specifically to provide help for those who already have a TyTn II would be inappropriate. I did consider the General forum, but againthat is for those who already own an HTC phone and are seeking support perhaps for Windows Mobile issues.
So by elimination if nothing else "off-topic" was the choice. Those searching the likes of Google will still find it regardless of the forum it's in.
I still have my doubts that this is appropriate as a forum to choose for such a review/feedback because it can encourage flaming type posts. I'm sure you know what I mean - would you go to a Rolls Royce owners site to express your views about why they are not good cars? Maybe you would, but I think it would be better to choose a site that reviews different brands, rather than telling folk who already own the product that you think what they have is no good. I doubt folk trying to choose a product would consider a dedicated site to be an unbiased place to gather reliable reviews.
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Mike,
I happen to be one of those Rolls Royce owners (I wish!) that's why I think I should have a say on this site. My views are counter current that's all. I don't feel undermined here despite being a totally "visible minority". If people were to get inflamed about it then there is always the almighty moderator that should straighten things out.
I still think my post does not belong to the off topic section because I think the view of somebody like myself can be beneficial to the majority here. I know that this could be difficult to acknowledge for somebody.
On the wake of the recent purchase and proud of my shiny new device, in the first 6 months of ownership of the Ty TN II I was like most other people here, reading, downloading, twicking. After a while I realized that what I was doing was going against the very reason I bought the device in the first place which was make my life easier and make me save time.
At that point and tired of the constant work that the machine demanded I gave up on it. I bought a new laptop and used the PDA like a phone and navigator only.
If I had found posts like mine before I would have made my natural progression earlier and I would have saved myself a lot of time and headaches.
I am sure there are other people in that position and they should be able to benefit from opinions like mine without having to Google them. To the hard core PDArers it should make no difference. I understand there is a pleasure in molding a machine to you own specification. I respect that; years ago I would have kept on doing it.
I hope you understand my plea and thanks for your work. I and many others did benefit from this great site.
Unfortunately I don't think that I can ethically contribute to the HTC or MS cause in a positive way. The fact that they created the need for a site like this is totally unacceptable.
I believe that it is wrong to offer volunteer work to greedy corporations that totally don't give a damn about their customer base. HTC and MS are clear examples.
I wish the talented work of people like XDA-developers will go towards developing software and service for no profit organizations and not to patch up the shortcomings and disservice of these corporations.
Bill Gates has become a philanthropist to wash his sins. I hope his example will be followed by all the other big fish in the corporate world.
Cheers

olliric said:
I don't want to get this thread to go on and on. The purpose of my post is to just offer an alternative perspective on the PDA. Without it, anybody that stumbles on this site may be lead to think that it is a great PDA. Indeed it is for people that are willing, knowledgeable and happy to mess with it. I don't think that the majority of people fit that category.
I believe that most people when they spend top dollars expect to buy a piece of equipment that works at its best right out of the box. After all PDAs and many other gadgets should make life easier not more complicated. That is something often forgotten.
Your appreciation of Active Sync sounds very odd to my engineering mind always appreciating things that work in a simple and logic manner. I'll comment on this one because is one of my "favorite" about the device and MS.
How can Active Sync be good if you have to install it in every computer you have to exchange data with (actually you can only install it on 2 PCs only!!). That to me is totally counter intuitive, user unfriendly and simply stupid. I should be able to roam the world and exchange data with any PC and Macs by just plugging in without having to install anything. That's what happens with most other gadgets cameras etc. How is it possible that a 750 $ device cannot do such elementary thing out of the box. It's simply unbelievable and as I said very odd to see that there are so many people that are totally fine with it and actually like the feature.
The TY TN II and any top end PDAs also cater to people like me that travel extensively and to different countries. How such elementary need to exchange data in a simple way can be overseen???
If I had know that such basic feature was not available I would never have bought the thing. The problem is that this any many other points about the device are some kind of dirty secrets that are not been told and were not available when I was about to buy the device.
Luckily I found Softick Card Export and solved the problem of accessing the PDA with any computer as if it was an external hard drive. I recommend it.
But again, after I spent 750 $ I should not have to buy and install non OEM software to download a file to a friend computer.
Come on guys, MS does not even pay you! You are paying them!
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So, you're saying that with any other phone you can just connect it to a PC and transfer all the data on the fly? Well, with nokias you can't, you have to install the huge nokia pc suite. At least active sync is only a few megs, so even with a slow connection you can still get it fast. And, i still think active sync is the best or at least the simplest way to synchronize contacts / appointments / notes and emails.
If you want to exchange files i would advice to forget active sync, use a micro sd card reader, it's much simpler and faster.
About your first post, i understand your frustration, but everyone here will tell you, including me, that any windows mobile device is way more powerfull than any nokia, iphone or blackberry. But even with those you still have to know how to use them.

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So, you're saying that with any other phone you can just connect it to a PC and transfer all the data on the fly? Well, with nokias you can't, you have to install the huge nokia pc suite. At least active sync is only a few megs, so even with a slow connection you can still get it fast. And, i still think active sync is the best or at least the simplest way to synchronize contacts / appointments / notes and emails.
If you want to exchange files i would advice to forget active sync, use a micro sd card reader, it's much simpler and faster.
About your first post, i understand your frustration, but everyone here will tell you, including me, that any windows mobile device is way more powerfull than any nokia, iphone or blackberry. But even with those you still have to know how to use them.
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In this day and age am I too demanding to expect to be able to read and exchange data with my PDA and any computer? The fact that the very little Softick card export software does it very easily shows that I am not asking much. There are no technological hurdles whatsoever. Why having to complicate things, switching off the device, pulling cards on and off, maybe damaging something in the process.
It is one of the features I needed right away and I don't think I am alone there. It should not take a great deal of imagination or creativity to figure this out. What are the HTC or MS designers been thinking?
I just don't see any good reasons for the lack of such basic features. The only reason I see is corporate greed that calls for gadgets and software that don't quite work so people keep on buying new ones.
We are a bunch of consumer cows being milked, I am afraid that's the sad reality.
The fact the the potential of a MS based PDA is greater than the competition does not make me feel any better. However, thanks for trying to help and for the kind words

olliric said:
In this day and age am I too demanding to expect to be able to read and exchange data with my PDA and any computer? The fact that the very little Softick card export software does it very easily shows that I am not asking much. There are no technological hurdles whatsoever. Why having to complicate things, switching off the device, pulling cards on and off, maybe damaging something in the process.
It is one of the features I needed right away and I don't think I am alone there. It should not take a great deal of imagination or creativity to figure this out. What are the HTC or MS designers been thinking?
I just don't see any good reasons for the lack of such basic features. The only reason I see is corporate greed that calls for gadgets and software that don't quite work so people keep on buying new ones.
We are a bunch of consumer cows being milked, I am afraid that's the sad reality.
The fact the the potential of a MS based PDA is greater than the competition does not make me feel any better. However, thanks for trying to help and for the kind words
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I prefer to think that technology is being developed, rather than big companies are just "milking us". Every new product is an evolution from something done before, not only with technology, but with everything manufactured in the capitalist markets we live in.
Basically, i think we have two choices: ware out our equipment untill we really need a new one (in case of a mobile phone for me i would say that it's about 3 years), or sell our semi-new equipment and buy a new one every year or so. I usually choose the first one, but i'm not always sure that it is the cheapest.
About speed, I know that the tytn II's are far from being the best phone HTC made, heck, my old magician (qtek s110) was way faster. But it didn't have to deal with gps, wifi, 3G, HSDPA, hardware keyboard, etc. They're only three years apart from each other, and look at the differences!
I actually agree with you that the kaiser is slow for a 2007 PDA, but it can do a lot. So, like everyone else in this forum, i've been reading, and trying, and failing, and trying again. The best Rom i've tried is shifu's v8, i do like it a lot. And the advantage of WM is that you can really do everything you want to change the look and the way you interact with your phone, and there are thousands of programs to do whatever you need your phone to do.
There's so many software out there, that it is hard to get to the best one for you. Some prefer SPB Mobile Shell3, i prefer Manila 2D. There's also the new Titanium in WM 6.5, PointUI, Throttle Launcher.... I compare this situation to the photography industry: there are hundreds of camera models, most of them give very similar image quality for the same price, but if you visit photography forums you'll find people that just can't get used to a certain model of a certain brand, and normally for reasons you wouldn't even think of.
That doesn't turn that model into a lemon, but usually makes it more special to the ones that actually like it.
So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
Just trying to help, as i don't consider myself a geek, but i do prefer windows mobile over symbian.

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So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
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Actually yes the BBs do USB File transfer when plugged into a PC with nothing extra installed. You get prompted on the device to enable Mass Storage Mode.

jaugusto said:
I prefer to think that technology is being developed, rather than big companies are just "milking us". Every new product is an evolution from something done before, not only with technology, but with everything manufactured in the capitalist markets we live in.
Basically, i think we have two choices: ware out our equipment untill we really need a new one (in case of a mobile phone for me i would say that it's about 3 years), or sell our semi-new equipment and buy a new one every year or so. I usually choose the first one, but i'm not always sure that it is the cheapest.
About speed, I know that the tytn II's are far from being the best phone HTC made, heck, my old magician (qtek s110) was way faster. But it didn't have to deal with gps, wifi, 3G, HSDPA, hardware keyboard, etc. They're only three years apart from each other, and look at the differences!
I actually agree with you that the kaiser is slow for a 2007 PDA, but it can do a lot. So, like everyone else in this forum, i've been reading, and trying, and failing, and trying again. The best Rom i've tried is shifu's v8, i do like it a lot. And the advantage of WM is that you can really do everything you want to change the look and the way you interact with your phone, and there are thousands of programs to do whatever you need your phone to do.
There's so many software out there, that it is hard to get to the best one for you. Some prefer SPB Mobile Shell3, i prefer Manila 2D. There's also the new Titanium in WM 6.5, PointUI, Throttle Launcher.... I compare this situation to the photography industry: there are hundreds of camera models, most of them give very similar image quality for the same price, but if you visit photography forums you'll find people that just can't get used to a certain model of a certain brand, and normally for reasons you wouldn't even think of.
That doesn't turn that model into a lemon, but usually makes it more special to the ones that actually like it.
So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
Just trying to help, as i don't consider myself a geek, but i do prefer windows mobile over symbian.
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I think corporations do plan to make every gadget quickly outdated. Hardware and software companies help each other in that regard. Software is designed to require more and more computing power even though is often not necessary. We could be a lot farther ahead after 20 years of consumer computers. MS is probably the main cause of this troubled development and we are still stuck with it. Window mobile may be better than others but is still very far from being good. That was also the idea of a MS project manager friend of mine who eventually left Seattle and MS. I remember venting my frustration with him and he had no excuse to offer.
I did do ROM upgrades early on but then I had to remove them after developing other problems. If one day I run into somebody that will do it for me I may give them another try. I just had it with this PDA I don't to waste anymore time.
I have a lot of other things in my life and I just don't want to spend time on something that should save me time. It just does not make any sense to me.
When this PDA will crap out I'll be very careful of what I may buy. I think I have learned the lesson. The only thing that I have appreciated is the navigator which is neither HTC or MS. I travel a lot so I keep the bastard only for that. I have to bear the bulk and weight of it for navigation and the occasional email.
I don't know if there are PDAs that can be used like a USB pen. I really hope so. It is such a simple thing, if there aren't any then it's really bad out there.
Thanks for your help
Cheers

I agree with everything you posted originally. Although, it's not HTC's fault as much as it is Microsoft's. I happen to love the G1
I've had a tilt for a year now and, while flashing ROMs does make it bearable, Windows Mobile just sucks in general imo.

mbarvian said:
I agree with everything you posted originally. Although, it's not HTC's fault as much as it is Microsoft's. I happen to love the G1
I've had a tilt for a year now and, while flashing ROMs does make it bearable, Windows Mobile just sucks in general imo.
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Great to hear that I am not the only unhappy here. Actually I believe there are a lot more but they don't want to admit it.
So you guys de-lurk yourself and get it off your chest. You'll feel better. After all we just bought the PDA, we did not do anything terrible. There wasn't much choice anyway. If I made it or the OS then I would feel really bad about myself.
Cheers

Automatic start for you car app???

Devs and droid lovers alike, I have just been informed that the iphone has an automatic. Start for your car app. I was doing one of my regular "android is taking oover the world" text messages to all my friends and someone responded with that... now of course I went to into the android os and the fact that its an open os and all that but needless to say, I was rocked. This will be the iphones trump if we don't do something fast. So dev, the android community is depending on you guys to study the application in question and then crush it! I know you guys can do it! Charge just as much as they do and put it on the market.. everyone will buy!

Long live ANDROID!

im not sure if its the same one but if you look in the best buy flyer it shows the viper alarm system can be bought on the iphone for $500 instead of buying the piece for your keys

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
This is a stupid ****ing idea.
The Android OS isn't as clean or as slick as the Iphone or as responsive, and who cares.
I saw the commercial showcasing this, and it looks good, ON THE IPHONE.

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
This is a stupid ****ing idea.
The Android OS isn't as clean or as slick as the Iphone or as responsive, and who cares.
I saw the commercial showcasing this, and it looks good, ON THE IPHONE.
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Haha I agree. Who gives a **** what the iPhone can do. We may not all like
the iPhone, but since when is this a competition?

First off you have to have something in your car for your phone to talk with. I don't plan on installing a Blue tooth gizmo so I can start my car when my car keys work just fine. Oh I do have remote start on my keys so it kinda defeats the need for an iPhone or Android version. Heck I don't even use the remote start half the time unless its really really cold outside.
As for the competition between iPhone and Android. I made my decision the day I bought my G1.

I wanna use my g1's poor accelerometer to steer my car!

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I wanna use my g1's poor accelerometer to steer my car!
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Yeah...and use the barcode scanner to scan the QR code on the cop's ticket so I don't need the paper copy. The ticket I got for mowing down the guy standing on the sidewalk, starting his car with his iPhone. Applesauce all over my metal-alloy valve stem caps.

wow
For all those who say when did this become a competition I ask this question.... when you bought your g1 did you do any research at all or did you just get the coolest looking new phone you could buy, or did you let some t-mobile rep who barely know what they're talking about sucker you into buying the newest phone so they could get a cut. For the somewhat smart people out there who do research before they make a large investment or sign 2 years of a portion of their income away, when you bought the G1 you (in some way,shape, or form) said I'm smarter that everyone who has the iphone. You said "I don't care about at&t's superior network, I don't care about the iphone's superior hardware, the android OS is the best thing since slice bread and it trumps any of those other things. At the point you engaged in this competition. This is why cyanogen made this amazing ROM and one of his screen shots was of him talking to a buddy on gtalk telling him something like"the iphone will never be able do what we can do."..... now that we made that clear... if your a real dev out there and you know what I'm talking about I just want to let you know I appreciate you, even if nobody else does, I do! I mean that! Keep showing the world why the Android (open) OS is the best!

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For all those who say when did this become a competition I ask this question.... when you bought your g1 did you do any research at all or did you just get the coolest looking new phone you could buy, or did you let some t-mobile rep who barely know what they're talking about sucker you into buying the newest phone so they could get a cut. For the somewhat smart people out there who do research before they make a large investment or sign 2 years of a portion of their income away, when you bought the G1 you (in some way,shape, or form) said I'm smarter that everyone who has the iphone. You said "I don't care about at&t's superior network, I don't care about the iphone's superior hardware, the android OS is the best thing since slice bread and it trumps any of those other things. At the point you engaged in this competition. This is why cyanogen made this amazing ROM and one of his screen shots was of him talking to a buddy on gtalk telling him something like"the iphone will never be able do what we can do."..... now that we made that clear... if your a real dev out there and you know what I'm talking about I just want to let you know I appreciate you, even if nobody else does, I do! I mean that! Keep showing the world why the Android (open) OS is the best!
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I thought our trump was the source code, let's see them come back at you with that. At&t's superior network?! All of my friends iPhones drop calls every day!

The point is that its a competition...not what the trump is...i just want to provoke anyone who up for the comp to step up!

I personally would never want to use my phone for this.. it provides too many possibilities of disaster. If you have a Bluetooth device in your car running someone will hack it sooner or later.

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I personally would never want to use my phone for this.. it provides too many possibilities of disaster. If you have a Bluetooth device in your car running someone will hack it sooner or later.
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totally it will be like the ability to crack WEP haha

This does NOT run off bluetooth for one. There is essentially another cellular phone in the vehicle that receives a handshake through the SMS system.
This is OLD OLD OLD OLD news and has been done before
http://www.sentinelcaralarms.com/
Go put that system in and you can control it from your Cell, your house, your aunt's brother's cousin's boyfriend's sister.
Seeing as that is run off DTMF, I am sure someone could toss an app together with a macro to do certain functions automatically through a GUI

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Yeah...and use the barcode scanner to scan the QR code on the cop's ticket so I don't need the paper copy. The ticket I got for mowing down the guy standing on the sidewalk, starting his car with his iPhone. Applesauce all over my metal-alloy valve stem caps.
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Ahahahahaha nice!
XP
Could you imagine
My g1 auto starting my 91 Toyota AWD 5 speed? hahahaha

mimic1011 said:
For all those who say when did this become a competition I ask this question.... when you bought your g1 did you do any research at all or did you just get the coolest looking new phone you could buy, or did you let some t-mobile rep who barely know what they're talking about sucker you into buying the newest phone so they could get a cut. For the somewhat smart people out there who do research before they make a large investment or sign 2 years of a portion of their income away, when you bought the G1 you (in some way,shape, or form) said I'm smarter that everyone who has the iphone. You said "I don't care about at&t's superior network, I don't care about the iphone's superior hardware, the android OS is the best thing since slice bread and it trumps any of those other things. At the point you engaged in this competition. This is why cyanogen made this amazing ROM and one of his screen shots was of him talking to a buddy on gtalk telling him something like"the iphone will never be able do what we can do."..... now that we made that clear... if your a real dev out there and you know what I'm talking about I just want to let you know I appreciate you, even if nobody else does, I do! I mean that! Keep showing the world why the Android (open) OS is the best!
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Sorry to be off topic but this post is slightly ridiculous. Yes, I knew what I was getting into when I bought a G1. And I would say my decision was also slightly based on the fact that I was already in a contract with T-Mobile. BUT the reason I chose android was not because it was BETTER than the iPhone. In fact, I never even compared it to the iPhone. But that's kind of irrelevant.
The point I want to make is that devs aren't cooking ROMs to compete with the iPhone. In fact, I would go as far as to say that there's not a single dev on this forum that is trying to compete with iPhone. Sure, maybe some of them think android is superior in some way, and maybe they think android will triumph in the smartphone market eventually, but they aren't android devs because they want to be iPhone killers

Is STEVE BALLMER literally RETARDED? MS to charge carriers for WM7. Yet Android=Free?

Sometimes 2 pictures can tell a story better than 1000 words. What is wrong with one of these 2 pictures?
DEATH WISH / Link
vs.
ON-A-ROLL / Link
Is the MS strategy so secret and mind boggling that I am simply not smart enough to comprehend its brilliance? Or is there a wattage problem in MS's Board Room?
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I can live with it adding $20 to the cost of a device. There are also things like TCO or similar that apply to a manufacturer and in turn to a customer.

The answer is yes. He is most definitely retarded.
Fact is that wimo could NEVER have been considered successful. Mostly because it is a piece of trash. Charging more [than nothing] for it is suicide -- especially when you compare it to the in-every-conceivable-way superior ANDROID, which is free.
I actually quite like their strategy of shooting themselves in the head. It means that they will die off faster.

Alright, let's do a recap:
-Android is 100% free, WinMo is not
-They are about to charge CARRIERS, so say goodbye to unlocked phones
-It's Windows Mobile, so say goodbye to Google services. If you like Bing, Windows Live and the rest, good for you, but most of us don't.
He is to Microsoft what Bush was to the US. He is arrogant, generally misoriented and strengthen the opinion the public has about Microsoft.

N1c0_ds said:
Alright, let's do a recap:He is to Microsoft what Bush was to the US. He is arrogant, generally misoriented and strengthen the opinion the public has about Microsoft.
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Wow, this is quite apt, and yet I have never made the connection before. Now that you've made it for me, there are thousands of 1:1 analogies that flow like a rain-flooded river out of my head.
His "Mission Accomplished" was his laughing off the iphone. That was the beginning of the end of staying relevant. Now, 3-4 years later, he's introducing his own iphone, but with one very clever and extremely significant difference:
He's calling his Windows Phone.

Ballmer has been blowing it for years! That's why XDA thrives fixing his OS and why Adroid is on the fast track.

I had 3 WinMo phones before my Hero and I thought it was amazing, I was really reluctant to switch to Android, and after using Android for 1 day I'm pretty sure I'll never use WinMo again. If someone paid me $100 to use WinMo instead of Android, I wouldn't; so asking people to pay THEM to use WinMo is just stupid.

It really starts to come down to the essence of this site
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I had 3 WinMo phones before my Hero and I thought it was amazing, I was really reluctant to switch to Android, and after using Android for 1 day I'm pretty sure I'll never use WinMo again. If someone paid me $100 to use WinMo instead of Android, I wouldn't; so asking people to pay THEM to use WinMo is just stupid.
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This is my exact experience. It isn't a punitive view. It has nothing to do with loyalty/disloyalty, or "they're late to delivering their new OS, so I will punish them by not using it". This has everything to do with how good the combination of HTC + Android is. There is not one thing I long for, there is nothing at all that I am missing using my HTC Hero running Android. HTC's SenseUI on top of Android (which i had never run before, nor even tried before, deciding I wanted to buy the Hero) works so beautifully right out of the box, and the Android market is filled with apps & utilities that make the device's functionality even greater.
I spent over 3 years here, a whole year before even registering, just to help make my T-Mobile MDA device useful to me.
I am saying this: Before my first touchscreen device, I had a very reliable Samsung clamshell device... Being very careful, while in the car I could hit a speed dial and get someone on the phone, activate speakerphone etc., and when the call was done, bullet-proof step to end the cal;. I could feel it in my fingers.
Entering the world of touchscreens, of which I am such a huge champion I have created an awards series in support of, I quickly discovered, to my immediate dismay, "I can't even make a phone call without having this screen up to my face"... But worse, put it in my pocket and for a year my friends are all angry "why do you keep calling me?". Try to get the phone OUT of my pocket to answer a call before it goes to voicemail, 9 times out of ten a touchscreen area gets pushed and call is lost.
Then the tiny tiny keyboard you use reading glasses to see so you can poke that stylus precisely... I was wondering, "what have I traded away for a screen that can browse the web?"
Again, 4 years ago, thankfully one T-mobile store salesperson in San Francisco told me about this site, kind of in hushed tones while inside the store as employee. When I first came here, like with many folks, it was an intimidating jungle, with caution signs everywhere: "READ THIS FIRST" "DON'T POST WITHOUT SEARCHING". I would finally come to what I thought would be straight-forward set of instructions: "A Newbie's Guide to Upgrading your T-Mobile MDA", only to encounter in the very first sentence "Make sure your phone ist HARD-SPL'd or you'll brick it"... "HARD SPL? What does THAT mean?" It took me well over 6 months, back then, to stop-and-go, stop-and-go-back, just then searching for "what is HARD SPL?" only to come to yet another thread saying stuff like "To make sure your device is capable of HARD SPL, it must be all ROMS after 63i850db247, not before or you'll brick your phone"... Read 100's of pages of thread and not one post saying "Yes, your MDA is fine for Hard-SPL". On and on it went til finally, after being slapped down a few times for asking questions (they would link me back to the very threads I already had plowed through), I got some help to get me started.
And THAT day began the pursuit toward USEFULNESS OF USING MY PHONE.
Admit it, more than 3/4 of this site has always been about compensating for what may have been a very fine underlying OS, but a terrible, terrible unfriendly user experience. I upgraded to the T-Mobile Wing before the iPhone came out and was finally at the spot where XDA-devs had created 1000 workarounds for those tiny menus you have to hold up to your face to see... They stripped out the inefficiencies of various WM software, and suddenly I could multi-task keeping Google Maps aways open, with contacts open, notes, music player, ans various utilities. Finally, for me, after 3 years I had a USEABLE PHONE that matched the promise of the ads and marketing.
In almost all cases, XDA-devs were generally NOT exploiting some fabulously smart feature of WindowsMobile, and making it better. They were taking poorly-thought out functionality and terrible UI, and adapting it to become useful. And when the iphone hit, then the paradigm of finger-based navigation changed everything, and XDA-devs created UIs that replicated the easier to "hit" target zones of the iphone interface. Lots of 3rd party shells, etc... But almost ALL of this was to correct deficiencies due to handicaps of what was core Windows Mobile. Still, to this day, people like Supbro, developer of iDialer, and his branch of iContact, have been correcting the stupidity of tiny text for adding a new contact.
I'm just saying: Here I am 4 years later, having had amazing functionality delivered to me thanks to great chefs here, great app & utility developers, and, let's all face it, GREAT ROMS from HTC which were broken apart to extract and enable yet MORE compensating UI fixes (like TouchFlo), all to FIX and mask over the terrible user experience of Windows Mobile.
THUS, when I got my Hero, and began to use it, and from DAY 1, it just works, and it's easy and intuitive, and with all these great widgets and real-time display updates, I realized even more: JEEZ! Finally an OS that is smarter out the gate. Yet Windows STILL had a year to come in and show the marketplace it had learned a thing or two, after the G1 introduced the world to Android. And all they could burp out, with all their resources and skilled engineers, was windows 6.5? And they had to even quickly abandon their explicit HONEYCOMB Ui after it was immediately, and rightfully ridiculed as
"THIS is your new thinking, Microsoft? Your honeycomb staggered alignment, and your start button at bottom center. THIS IS IT??"
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So Ballmer 6-9 months ago "gets religion" and admits (in that infamous private meeting widely reported throughout cellphone land) his whole company should have focused on WM7, and not gone down the 6.5 path, because they were already so behind their new-found competitors... And there was a HOPE, a spark, an ember left, that said, OKAY, MS has HUGE resources and money... so if they tackle this well, they could well turn everything around. But that delivery date for WM 7 was FEBRUARY 2010. Meanwhile many companies moved forward: Google, Motorola, HTC and we saw October, November, December just POUND the marketplace with success after success of Android products, coupled with HTC and Motorola keeping the competitive spirit alive which drives innovation.
JANUARY 2010, and Google comes out with NEXUS ONE --- full of problems, including Google's total fumble with the whole concept of "dealing with customers"... and HTC has had their Snapdragon-processor phone lines well in development as well... And now they've got phones in the marketplace right now much better than the Nexus One, with a new optical trackball, and other usability advances.
And so here we are in February 2010, the very time at which WM 7 was set to be IN THE MARKETPLACE wowing us with what we all hoped would be something re-invented, reviving their tattered brand. And now it's September 2010? Who here believes they'll make THAT date? But great, a little tease at a Mobile World Congress revives some hope that it will all be worth it.
That's 7 months from now! We will surely see in that time a whole new iteration of iPhone OS software. And who knows what from Android?
So I come not to bash Ballmer, but to question his brain-function. With all these deficits working against MS's comeback, he has the audacity to play chess with the marketplace and proclaim there will be add-on carrier fees for his company's new WM7 OS phones? I really meant it literally. Does this man have a screw loose?
Sorry for the BOOK length post, but for anyone reading it, tell me where I'm wrong?
XDA-devs SAVED THEIR ASSES for the past 3 years -- by enabling their crippled OS to do tricks that satisfied customer demand. And now that I bought the Hero -- because I liked what I saw -- and have used it for 4 months, I just don't see the point in wondering "what will WM 7 really be like?" -- because once I made that leap, I'm no longer dealing with 3/4 of the efforts of this great site devoted to COMPENSATION for what WM lacked. Maybe there are people with great sentimental ties to WM -- because naturally after working one's asses off to build off of it, and create great useful software products, features and utilities, there would be a lot of cognitive dissonance at play when contemplating where to continue your development efforts going forward.
And there IS sentimentalism that drives quite a bit of WM enthusiasm. ANd that's fine. But here I am 4 months into using my HERO, and I have yet to even feel the need to come here and root my phone and make it EVEN BETTER. I will, for sure... But I haven't needed to. It's all frosting or gravy for something that inherently works AS SHIPPED.
So that's my rationale. rpimps' prior post just flushed this essay out of me... yet what he's said in 2 sentences summarizes everything I just typed.
Choice is good. And for everyone who wants to stick with WM, I am sure there will be plenty of fruits to bare. But meanwhile I *use* my phone and depend on it right now, not 7 months from now. I'm not looking back.

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And that really is the summary statement about the genesis of and incredible growth of this great site.

If they want to sell WM they need to make it exactly the same as Android, and make a long press on the Home button bring up the usual WM task list to switch between running apps. I'd buy that.

I'm starting to get pretty sick of all this love for Android and how anything Android will blow WP7 out of the water. All this love for a dumbed-down smartphone. None of us have seen WP7, except for a few screenshots here and there and in my opinion it looks great. MS had to make some changes if they wanted to stay relevant, because what we forget is that the "power-users" make up a very small percentage of the buyers market. However, I really do hope that MS does not forget about us all together. All I know is that come December, I'll be rocking the new WP7 and not an Android. Theres my 2 cents.

Irishpride said:
I'm starting to get pretty sick of all this love for Android and how anything Android will blow WP7 out of the water. All this love for a dumbed-down smartphone. None of us have seen WP7, except for a few screenshots here and there and in my opinion it looks great. MS had to make some changes if they wanted to stay relevant, because what we forget is that the "power-users" make up a very small percentage of the buyers market. However, I really do hope that MS does not forget about us all together. All I know is that come December, I'll be rocking the new WP7 and not an Android. Theres my 2 cents.
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This is an actual question, not an argument - what are some things WM can do that Android can't? I use my phone for business functionality and I don't consider myself a member of the "general public" and switching to Android after 3 WM phones, I haven't found a single thing (aside from maybe quicker switching between running apps) WM did that Android doesn't.

Steve Balmber retarded?
Hmmmmmm
Limited vocabulary
Edit: WTF!?

He's bat**** effing insane! Thanks for sharing

You guys are jumping the gun on this. At least wait and see how things go before you saying game over for WM and jump ship.
Do you guys ***** that the desktop or laptop or netbook you just purchased cost you $25-50 more because it is running Windows7 compared to Ubuntu or another Linux build? No way!
So why are you going to moan about a measily ~$10 fee on your phone for running WM7. Heck you can probably run a dual boot setup on your WM7 phone to run both Windows and Android to experience the best of both worlds...just like some of us have done with our computers.