After months I decided again to go with a Windows Mobile based PDA as a primary phone. The N95 just did not do the job, so, I thought the TyTN II still might be the best choice for me. The old Hermes was the last PDA I owned.
I bought mine directly from NewEgg here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875502007
Surprisingly, I already had seen on the pictures that the item does not have a front camera for video phones. Well, this service is not yet supported in the US, so, it just was not important to me.
Now, after I received the item today, another strange thing:
The keyboard does not look like on the real TyTN II but it matches the keyboard of the AT&T Tilt.
The box and all accessoirs match the HTC version rather than the AT&T Tilt version. IMEI and Serial# of the device match the label on the box. It further says on the box HTC TyTN II P4551. ROM version is WM 6.1.
So, my question:
What version do I really have? What do I have to care about in case I want to flash it? Would I have to go with AT&T flashing guides rather than with guides for the Kaiser?
Just trying to sort out the differences - sorry in case this has been asked already before.
Junner2003 said:
After months I decided again to go with a Windows Mobile based PDA as a primary phone. The N95 just did not do the job, so, I thought the TyTN II still might be the best choice for me. The old Hermes was the last PDA I owned.
I bought mine directly from NewEgg here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875502007
Surprisingly, I already had seen on the pictures that the item does not have a front camera for video phones. Well, this service is not yet supported in the US, so, it just was not important to me.
Now, after I received the item today, another strange thing:
The keyboard does not look like on the real TyTN II but it matches the keyboard of the AT&T Tilt.
The box and all accessoirs match the HTC version rather than the AT&T Tilt version. IMEI and Serial# of the device match the label on the box. It further says on the box HTC TyTN II P4551. ROM version is WM 6.1.
So, my question:
What version do I really have? What do I have to care about in case I want to flash it? Would I have to go with AT&T flashing guides rather than with guides for the Kaiser?
Just trying to sort out the differences - sorry in case this has been asked already before.
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Enter your bootloader and read the top line "KAISXXX" (where XXX is 100,110,120 or 130), then look under "Specs of some Kaiser variants" on the HTC Kaiser wiki page.
Ta
Dave
Well,
I guess this is the AT&T variant then. It says clearly KAIS100 and the keyboard is definitely from an AT&T Tilt (blue FN key and silver number block).
I just wonder why HTC would change the front plate (AT&T Logo) back to HTC, then flashes it wit the generic HTC software and packs everything nicely in a HTC box?
see if you can register it at the htc e-club because the At&t branded device's can't.
fone_fanatic said:
see if you can register it at the htc e-club because the At&t branded device's can't.
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Yeah,
I was thinking of that but I am planing to return / exchange for the MWg Zinc II. The lack of video drivers for the TyTN II is quite annoying already by just surfing the web! I am not sure if a downgrade to WM 6.0 would fix that?
However,
attached 2 pictures of my TyTN II Hybrid. Sorry for the bad quality but it is still clear enough. Strangely, even the box shows this device with the AT&T Keypad! It almost looks to me as if HTC had an over-production of AT&T Tilts and now they throw the left-overs on the market as P4551 (which really seems to be the AT&T with HTC Logo and box).
Junner2003 said:
Yeah,
I was thinking of that but I am planing to return / exchange for the MWg Zinc II. The lack of video drivers for the TyTN II is quite annoying already by just surfing the web! I am not sure if a downgrade to WM 6.0 would fix that?
However,
attached 2 pictures of my TyTN II Hybrid. Sorry for the bad quality but it is still clear enough. Strangely, even the box shows this device with the AT&T Keypad! It almost looks to me as if HTC had an over-production of AT&T Tilts and now they throw the left-overs on the market as P4551 (which really seems to be the AT&T with HTC Logo and box).
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I just now checked and found that you can register for At&t tilt also in HTC club.
The tytyn has a slower processor and uses an inferior gps chipset.
It does have a little more memory but to date I have not had a prob with my 256/64 config. For some reason the data on my zinc is innacurate (pdadb). It says the zinc has a 2.5 mm audio jack (proprietary it is).
Video is easy with core player 1.2.5 b 4506.
Related
I just purchased an SPV M1500. Is this the same as the XDA IIi? I bought it already unlocked. Are there any differences in the ROM besides splash screens / logos? Is there a way to put the O2 XDA IIi ROM on this device?
Last question... I bought it from someone in the UK, and I live in the US, I currently subscribe to Cingular Wireless. Has anyone had issues with this?
Any reply would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Brock
Same device, slightly different looks.
All Alpine ROMs will work and the splash images etc can all be changed, at ROM upgrade or later. Find a ROM you want and follow instructions.
The device is tri-band so long as you live in an area where you don't need quad band you'll be OK.
Any more questions, there are plenty of people here to ask, just don't ask the dreaded WM5 question, the answer will be NO.
Good luck.
LOL!! I got that loud and clear. I thought people were supposed to be reading through the forum for their answer before posting stupid/redundant questions??? NO WM5, at least yet. I don't have a desire for that right now anyways. What would be the benefit?
The earth is so small. You know what, you have bought the phone from me on ebay, Brock Miller. Have you received the phone yet? I could give you help on upgrading the phone, if you needed it. At the moment, if you wanted the latest rom, then it is imate PDA2 ROM.
Nam? Oh my gosh!!! I can't believe you frequent this site as well? Wow... Thats cool. It is indeed a small world. No I haven't received the SPV-1500 yet, I was just asking a few questions about it before hand. I can't wait to get it though. I'll drop you an e-mail when it comes in. Have a good one!
It's nice to meet you here as well. The phone will arrive very soon. Keep the eyes on your work place, you will need to sign for it. Give me a sound when you need helps and have fun with the phone.
Yes! It was.
Will I personally have to sign for it? Or can my shipping department sign for it?
Also, what phone do you have now?
as long as you could arrange someone to sign for it, then that's fine. I think I just buy a cheap phone for now, untill the new HTC Muse comes out. This would be the best phone ever.
Except for the 4GB of storage, and the camera it looks like the HTC Universal has better specs. Why the muse? I really would have liked to have bought an HTC Universal, but I couldn't find any that were reasonably priced, .
Simply, because it is very compact, has everything that I wanted. I originally had the VPA compact which is HTC Magician, but it doesn't have wifi built in that why I sold it. I also did have HTC Universal ( SPV M5000 ) once and I do not advice you to get one. No only because of the price ( I got it for £250 ), it is also very very slow ( before buy it, I thought it would be very fast, but it's not, even slower than HTC wizard ) and bloody massive. I had it for one day and sold it the next day, you can imagine how dissapointed I was.
The only good thing about the HTC Universal is the infrared transfer speed ( 4mb/s ) and range ( 7 metres ) which is good for TV remote control softwares. However, that is not good enough for the price.
Wow, that would be very diappointing. What did you not like about the HTC Alpine? Too bulky also?
The HTC Alpine is not as big as the HTC Universal and HTC Blue Angle ( actually it is quite compact for such a powerful device ), has wifi built in, powerful processor ( don't be confused with the Intel PXA 270 520MHZ of HTC Universal, it is Intel PXA 272 520MHZ ) and better bluetooth than other HTC device ( support file transfer service and more ). The only thing that I do not like about it is that the infared range is too short ( 70 cm ) for Remote control programs which is the same on other HTC devices, except for the HTC Universal ( 7 metres ) and HTC magian ( 3 metres ) ( that's why I sold it ). But if you can live with it, then the HTC Alpine is the best Mobile Phone/Pocket PC to have at the moment in term of features and price.
I just received the SPV M1500!! Even though you tried, the power adapters that you sent were the wrong kind. The U.S. uses 110 V. Also, all looks ok, but it showed more wear than I thought it would. There was a scratch on the screen, a tiny crack just above the "joystick" hole, and the external antenna port hole cap is missing (not a huge deal, just doesn't look as good with out it). Do you know if TomTom has a US map available to buy?
As my description the phone is used. I am so sorry, if it dissapointed you. TOMTOM and USA map are already included on the DVD, just follow the installation guide that is also in the in the box. Let me know anything that I could help you with. I will try to find the cover at the back for you, if I could not find it, then I would refund you some money, so you could get a new silicon case for it. Really sorry.
No way!! No this is fine. Its still a very nice phone. If you can find the cover, that would be nice, but I don't expect a refund by any means. I still got a good price. I need to find an AC adapter for this cradle though. I imagine that won't be too hard to come by, I just hope it doesn't cost too terribly much. Thanks again for the phone. I am overall pleased. It is so much better than my Wallaby. Also, I can charge it in the wallaby cradle for now. I was lucky, it fits, not quite right, but good enough. Thanks again. Also, I see where there is indeed USA maps with TomTom included. Sorry about that.
Brock
Or can I just send you some softwares in return? Just name the softwares, I will find them for you. I am now selling some softwares for pocket pc on ebay, just take a look, if you like them, let me know I will send them to you. Also I just find out that if you installed Imate PDA2 ROM UPDATE, the infrared range will be incresed to about 3 metres. If you was not so sure how to install ROM UPDATE, let me know, I will give you the web link with installation guide.
Hello Coldwave
sorry to gatecrash on your post , i have the o2 flavour of this device, would i be able to flash it with the imate rom, also do you know if i could use an orange rom as well, as my work is now changing to orange from o2.
cheers
Gregor
Hello Coldwave
sorry to gatecrash on your post , i have the o2 flavour of this device, would i be able to flash it with the imate rom, also do you know if i could use an orange rom as well, as my work is now changing to orange from o2.
cheers
Gregor
All HTC Alpine devices have the same hardwares. Therefore, it is possible to change ROM between different made like Imate, Qtek, Orange, etc. However, you must follow some steps to avoid Country ID error.
is paying the extra few hundred for the full unlocked HTC kaiser worth it?
or should I go TILT? am I correct to think there are no software differences with loading the HTC rom onto the TILT? or does the AT&T software restrictions still play an active roll in not allowing us to install what ever we please?
Has TILT adopters found themselves with more problems than they antisipated? has Kaiser adopters wished they would have saved the
money?
GinjiVitis said:
is paying the extra few hundred for the full unlocked HTC kaiser worth it?
or should I go TILT? am I correct to think there are no software differences with loading the HTC rom onto the TILT? or does the AT&T software restrictions still play an active roll in not allowing us to install what ever we please?
Has TILT adopters found themselves with more problems than they antisipated? has Kaiser adopters wished they would have saved the
money?
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Here is your answer! Link: Should I buy a Tilt or a Kaiser?
no cam on the phone...
the homescreen on the tilt is lame... super lame...
att has choped away a lot of good stuf.... not sure the price difference is....
im having trouble installing anything that at&t hasnt sold me. your prob more capable than i am, but... thats my experience
To the original poster's credit, the forums' search functionality is kinda crap, but it is the sort of thing that should be easy to find just by browsing the right sections.
IMO, there's not much reason to get the TyTn II instead of the Tilt thanks to HardSPL. The front camera just isn't worth $400.
As to Tilt vs. Kaiser - Tilt IS a Kaiser...
Tilt - No front camera. Same back 3MP camera.
With a bit of reading this forum and a few hours/days. there's no other differences.
If you're an AT&T customer in the US, the front camera is useless anyway.
Furthermore, you can put whatever ROM/software you want on the device (courtesy of our fine colleagues here).
I did the math:
Tilt: $199.00 (with new 2-year contract)
TyTN II: $800.00
It was a no-brainer for me! (YMMV)
Now this is what I'm wondering.
How come in eBay you search for the HTC TyTN II and its roughly $800.
But if you search AT&T 8925 Tilt its roughly $500.
Now in my case i'm with T-Mobile and of course interested in this phone. Would their be any advantages with either Phone I choose?
This would help out alot, thanks!
dpmisk said:
Now this is what I'm wondering.
How come in eBay you search for the HTC TyTN II and its roughly $800.
But if you search AT&T 8925 Tilt its roughly $500.
Now in my case i'm with T-Mobile and of course interested in this phone. Would their be any advantages with either Phone I choose?
This would help out alot, thanks!
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The TyTN II, has the front facing camera, and is unlocked to any service provider. The Tilt has no front facing camera, has a ton of AT&T bloatware, does not come with the TomTom Navigator taster software, and has a silver keypad on the keyboard.
Otherwise, same phone. You can always pick up the Tilt, and flash the HTC TyTN II ROM on it. So aside from the front camera, and the keyboard color, you'll have a TyTN II equivalent, and some money in your pocket.
I searched the forum a bit before asking...and didnt find my answer.
Why is the HTC TILT ~200 cheeper than the HTC Kaiser. Is it only the front mounted CAM?
I`m planning to buy one or the other. As far as i read you can unlock both.
I apreciate any replies, thanks
The Tilt is relatively the same price if you don't get it with a service contract, last I remember.
tilt @ newegg 509$
tytn II/kaiser 700-800
they are the same thing, except for a few small differences:
1- front camera, if ur not going to be doing video calling, not really important
2- software, however this is easily changed by flashing one of many roms on here
3- a few cosmetic changes, in my opinion, the tytn II looks a little better (nicer keyboard)
4- the tytn II will come factory unlocked, while the tilt will be locked to att. I unlocked my tilt (using it on tmobile) in 5 mins with att over the phone (my wife is an att customer) otherwise u can unlock it online in a few mins for around 20 dollars. they are working on a free unlock here too btw
is it worth 200 dollars more (or 500 if u sign a contract with atnt)? definitely not
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998228
509$ - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998228
i want to use it in Romania... i`ll unlock it.. and shouldnt have any issues (also ROM change), right?
thanks for the last reply
qiuness said:
i want to use it in Romania... i`ll unlock it.. and shouldnt have any issues (also ROM change), right?
thanks for the last reply
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Nah, I changed the ROM on mine the day I got it, no problem.
Is Tytn II comes w/ leather case and wired headset? My tilt doesn't have those w/ the box
Hi everyone
I have the above as a works phone and cannot really SPL the thing. I have read all new ones are pre-loaded with 6.1?
Does anyone know when Orange plan on releasing a 6.1 update, or if a copy has got out into the wild, or if the new phones have been copied and if there is a some way I could update?
Many thanks for any comments from you techno gods out there....
htc has some website that you can look on to see if your company has a rom update. I'm from the states and htc hates us so we don't have that option. (unless we actually bought a kaiser and not a tilt) So I am not versed in the HTC website format.
orange not released an updated yet but you could use the latest HTC rom and put that on your phone but you will need to hard spl it first, i recommend 3.28 as im using it and everythings fine.
The rom is ruu_Kaiser_htc_wwe_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_28.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_ship.exe you can download from this site
if new to changing roms then you need to do a bit of re search on this site and also you'll need to load SSPL-KAIS first on your phone before the Kaiser-HardSPL3.28 and then finally the rom above. all available on this site somewhere.
At first it seems complicated but after 20 or so flashes its a dodle....
ChumleyEX said:
htc has some website that you can look on to see if your company has a rom update. I'm from the states and htc hates us so we don't have that option. (unless we actually bought a kaiser and not a tilt) So I am not versed in the HTC website format.
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intrested in finding this website.... t-mobile staff didn't seem to know anything about a 6.1 update when i recently e-mailed them.
T-mobile maybe releasing the update in July or August is the official response to be timed with the release of the Vario 4
Bump!
If the phones that currently ship are coming with 6.1 is it possible to lift the rom and put it on my phone?
Thanks for any info....
My Kaiser that arrived on Friday has 6.0 on it not 6.1
It's on the Three network
Don't know about 3, but orange are I believe. I heard they took the phone out of sale for two weeks to make the change?
Surely on this doyen of PDA knowledge, someone can give me an answer. Aren't there any orange staff reading this?
Orange are rubbish - why would they give a ****?
Im disappointed in Orange. They are supposed to be releasing 6.1, but it never seems to happen... They say keep an eye on the download site, but the rom never arrives!
I wish they would sort this out... I love the phone, but a bit fed up that the vibrator never stops sometimes when I get an email!
S
actually if you compare orange to at&t orange is the better provider
for instance i broke my universal (spv m5000) and they deliver the next day. on 15 quid admin cost wereas at&t charge extortionat prices for this
they have a better 3g coverage great customer service
the only reason im dissappointed is because they **** about with there roms thats why its take a while to get them out i rang orange about a week ago and they said 5 months
but at least if it dies you can get a fast delivery of a new one
I wish they would hurry up!!
Do you know if they ship new ones with 6.1, or still 6.0??
S
They are shipping new ones with 6.1. There are several people on differant forums reporting how much quicker their replacement phones are to their old 6.0.
Can the new rom be lifted and put on to a version 6.0 without spl. ANYBODY??
Orange might never release the damn thing. I ask you, if its OK for new phones why not release it?
had my tytn II now for a couple of weeks and can say its 6.1. afaik all tytns now shipped by orange should be flashed with 6.1 but be wary in dealerships as they may still be clearing old stock running on 6
Mine has a small fault... I was just going to ignore it, but if the Orange Care replacement will be 6.1, then I might report it after all...
Anyone had an Orange Care replacement of a 6.0 for a 6.1??
Thanks
captainsensible2002 said:
Orange are rubbish - why would they give a ****?
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Behave. You will get bad experiences with all networks, your infinitely superior network included.
As for 6.1, not in Orange stores yet. I work in Orange retail, theres certainly been no recall to update them. The website is listing them as out of stock when the retail allocation is still OK, so its possible the business website has pulled them to update them to 6.1 - even though on the spec sheet its still showing as ver 6.
hhmmm sound promising. the only ****er with replacing is the fact i have to keep the back cover which has started to deteriorate. and some of the clips have snapped of the back
jayjay8585 said:
hhmmm sound promising. the only ****er with replacing is the fact i have to keep the back cover which has started to deteriorate. and some of the clips have snapped of the back
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Tell them the covers broken, you'll have to pay the admin fee regardless, a broken backdoor impedes normal function of the phone if say...the battery keeps falling out. Or something.
Generally though, handset replacements are refurbed kit which will obv be reflashed, so its feasible that it'll have 6.1 but I wouldnt hold out for it.
ill wait until the phone kicks it. at least the admins so low. atnt charge eq 200 quid for replacements and orange uk pay 15
lovin it
just had to have a replacement phone off orange care last week my replacement still as only got version 6 on it