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titan or p4000 - is it worth going to the diamond

looking for any input on if you think it is worth it to go from the telus p4000 (titan) to the diamond that will be launching with telus soon. i think the specs for the diamond coming to telus are a bit different (gsm vs cdma) than what i have seen aroud the internet, so i was hoping for some feedback.

still so MSD slot, but overwhelmingly YES. 23MB free -> 200MB free means YES. Wait for a pro if you want the keyboard, but YES. The CDMA version even gets a 50% (900->1340mah) bigger battery, albeit for a (10.7->13.9mm) thickness increase. Its 2mm taller and 3mm thicker than GSM.

Yea I am thinking of going to the Diamond (my P4000 is dying) but should I wait for the Touch Pro (Raphael)? I like the keyboard, but how good is the onscreen keyboard on the diamond? I see that it is way more slim without the keyboard... Is not having the clickwheel annoying? other than the keyboard, is there going to be any other differences between the Diamond and the Raphael? ( I am on Telus here in Canada). Help please!

Daimond vs Kaiser...comments please?

People,
Posted here as I think a lot of the Kaiser community has "upgraded" to the new Diamond.....as I am thinking of doing!
Looking for comments from real users of both devices as to pros and cons of the Diamond over the Kaiser....would you do it again if given the option??
Thanks in advance......

well, i am one of the comunity used Kaiser for long time, never let me down, perfect keyboard.. and now here is Diamond... ) if i compare the both devices, Diamond is the KING now in my eyes, only thing i really missing is the keyboard, but now you don't be afraid put the diamond in to the pocket, because is perfect thin.. and the weight is absolutely perfect, i can't even feel the diamond in my pocket )) the processor is ok, fast, TFL3d is nice, for TOMTOM perfect VGA display, well be honest, if you want new, modern device, with better VGA display, better processor, thin and light devices although without the keyboard, go for it.. that's my opinion.and if u want using this device for SatNav, few documents the 4GIG of storage is enough... ( tomtom, maps UK+IRL and Western europe, few documents, few cabs and still i have about 2GIG free )
sorry for my english

Thanks for the reply...sounds like your pretty happy with the investment.....is the speed genuinely better than the Kaiser?

Happy now
But what's about the battery?

The Kaiser has the better battery life, the keyboard (which I don't miss to be honest) and the sd card slot (which I also don't miss as I only ever had 1 4 Gb card anyway!),
Diamond is more useable I don't get the stylus out much), easier to carry and IMHO looks much bettter.

Look into my signature... Diamond Touch Pro is still missing to have a 3 in a row. The Diamond touch will not belong in ther list for long
I don't use my TYTN II currently, but hell, how many times I told myself if the TytnII could be put in the Diamond Boddy...
Guess it explains enough. My Diamond will not to be kept for a long time , despite the 750 US $ investment.

Is the pro much better than the diamond?

I've just had a touch on contract upgrade and I'm not that happy with it, don't get me wrong, the idea behind the phone is great, it has a lot of potential. Just you gotta tweak it loads before you even use it and even then it seems a little slow as the day goes on and also battery life is awful if you are actually using the phone. Other than the obvious keyboard and bigger battery size, what improvements are there with the pro? is it smoother running with less problems? Anyone got any experiance of using the two?

depends what you want - my diamond on latest stock rom is problemn free - pro would be too thick

thickness doesn't really bother me taht much I guess. My othe rphone is a nokia n95 8gb so the pro is actually still a bit thinner. I just want fast smooth and decent battery life when being used but I need windows os for some business software I run from time to time. Just seems that everything on the diamond munches battery power, I can get my dimaond to last more than a day now which is better, but if you start using features othe rthan just phone is seems to eat the battery very very quickly, the nokia 95 is bad but nowhere near as bad as teh Diamond. Just wondered if they had tweaked the os a bit to make it more efficient

the answer is YES!
Pro is much better!

What I've seen of the Pro for now has impressed me, but I was honestly put of by its size. The Diamond is an extremely slick gadget, but for business use: of course the Pro would be better. The Diamond is geared towards the commercial market, while the Pro is geared towards the business market.

There's the thrid option now - HTC S740 http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634

kien said:
There's the thrid option now - HTC S740 http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
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Ooooh.....now taht seems more apealing, a standard keypad !!! The touch screen thing is all well and good but basic txt messages were a nightmare. Any ideas if thats available in teh uk on contract ? Although battery life looks similar to the diamond .....

But thats 'only' a smartphone
Can't believe it has a (just) bigger battery than the Diamond though!
I find texting on the Diamond to be dead easy - which is why I am convinced I wouldn't need the keyboard on the Touch Pro (used to have a Tytn II and barely used the keyboard on that!).

you say it's "only a smart phone" other than touch screen, what would I loose out on then?

Other than the obvious keyboard and bigger battery size, what improvements are there with the pro? is it smoother running with less problems?
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No there is no difference. Same cpu and screen resolution.
TDO

The Pro has a flash

kien said:
There's the thrid option now - HTC S740 http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
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It has a QVGA screen euk!

kien said:
The Pro has a flash
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Funny enough I only realised last night that the diamond didn't have one!

Does anyone know if Diamond Pro suffers from the same GPS navigation lag as Diamond?...
HastaSSSS

funny that people say that, all I've done to mine is updat eteh radio rom to teh recommended one and nothing else. I installed tom tom on it and ran it along side my nokia n95 with built in receiver (also running tomtom) and my tomtom 500 and in all fairness all three of them were withing a split second of each other on directions.....looks liek I don't get the lag issue.

Battery on Diamond CDMA Version
I have a Touch Diamond and have had for 7 days.
The battery sucks!!!
I cannot get 8 hours connected to EVDO network.
According to carrier, every application open sucks the battery juice.
On the Touch, the battery was decent, the stock battery you could get 6/7 hours with data on, Touch Diamond maybe 3 hours.
With quality aftermarket battery, I can get 8 hours with charge to spare, why?
What is the size of battery on Touch Diamond Pro?
Dave

1000 mAh
100 mAh more

tiburone said:
1000 mAh
100 mAh more
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which device are u referring to? the smart phone s740?
the touch pro is using a 1350 mah battery...

Pro also got bigger RAM and dbl the ROM... Not sure how much does that affect the performance but I'm sure it would in a degree...

pro
200% of RAM and ROM of diamond
Better battery
flash light
microSD
only bad thing is thicker and heavier.

Upgrading from Touch ... Diamond or Diamond2?

Hey guys,
I've been a very happy camper with my htc Touch (ELFin) running dsixda's Onyx ROM. Though not especially powerful, the ELFin has been a great package doing most of the stuffs I expect from a smartphone, but I couldn't be happier with it.
But then, as I'm sure most of you know, there comes the itch for a new toy, and the fact ELFin only has a QVGA screen and not VGA/WVGA seems to get on my mind more everday, and the fact it doesn't have built-in GPS also gets pretty annoying.
So I've been thinking of an upgrade, and right now the Diamond and Diamond 2 are on top of my list.
I am looking for a slim smartphone phone that does email, lite web surfing, the usual PDA, GPS device (I use tomtom right now on the ELFin) ... I also read plenty of ebook on my smartphone.
What I'm NOT looking for, is a multi-media player. I rarely listen to music off my phone, and almost never watch video's on it.
The Diamond and Diamond 2 both seem to fit the bill.
I like the D2 between the 2, because it has a longer screen, which I presume is better for web surfing and ebook reading. And the screen seems to be the biggest difference between the 2 phones.
The D2 does cost quite a bit more than the Diamond though ... I can get Diamond for about half the price of a D2 (~CDN$300 vs $600)
I also heard D2 that I can get my hands on are from overseas and somehow 3G doesn't work on them with my service provider (Rogers). I can easily get a Rogers branded Diamond though and get 3G. So that's another concern.
I wonder if any of you have looked into upgrading from a Diamond to a D2, and what's your 2 cents on it
Thanks in advance!

no doubt-d2

Diamond's not getting much love?
Sure, you'd expect the D2 to be better than D2, but I just don't know if it justify the premium. The D2 costs almost twice as the D1 (~CDN$600 vs ~$300) and I see the biggest difference being a taller screen, which is good, but I also prefer to have a D-pad than without ... some applications work better with the D-pad.
I also heard my friend, a D1 user, complaining about the phone not being fast enough and rather unstable. That surprised me because I am using the original Touch, which only has a 201MHz processor, but I don't feel it's sluggish in regular use (granted, I don't play video from my phone). Is it a ROM issue potentially, that can be fixed by flashing a newer / custom ROM?

D2 also has more RAM and ROM, microSD slot and a better camera. On the other hand, it still has a very similar CPU (same clock, same family).

Pro D2:
-more RAM (if needed, with Nataly 2.7, S2U2 and SPB Mobile Shell running, I only use 55%)
-larger screen
Cons:
-only few ROMs available, therefore it is still slower compared to the D1
-no magnetic pen shaft
Well, I'm not so sure if those points are enough to pay twice the price for the device.

For me, the lack of hard keys is kind of annoying on my Diamond. And the lack of d-pad on the D2 makes matters worse. Of course, that might not be an issue to you. But if you intend to play any games, that will definitely limit your selection.

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Hey guys,
I've been a very happy camper with my htc Touch (ELFin) running dsixda's Onyx ROM. Though not especially powerful, the ELFin has been a great package doing most of the stuffs I expect from a smartphone, but I couldn't be happier with it.
But then, as I'm sure most of you know, there comes the itch for a new toy, and the fact ELFin only has a QVGA screen and not VGA/WVGA seems to get on my mind more everday, and the fact it doesn't have built-in GPS also gets pretty annoying.
So I've been thinking of an upgrade, and right now the Diamond and Diamond 2 are on top of my list.
I am looking for a slim smartphone phone that does email, lite web surfing, the usual PDA, GPS device (I use tomtom right now on the ELFin) ... I also read plenty of ebook on my smartphone.
What I'm NOT looking for, is a multi-media player. I rarely listen to music off my phone, and almost never watch video's on it.
The Diamond and Diamond 2 both seem to fit the bill.
I like the D2 between the 2, because it has a longer screen, which I presume is better for web surfing and ebook reading. And the screen seems to be the biggest difference between the 2 phones.
The D2 does cost quite a bit more than the Diamond though ... I can get Diamond for about half the price of a D2 (~CDN$300 vs $600)
I also heard D2 that I can get my hands on are from overseas and somehow 3G doesn't work on them with my service provider (Rogers). I can easily get a Rogers branded Diamond though and get 3G. So that's another concern.
I wonder if any of you have looked into upgrading from a Diamond to a D2, and what's your 2 cents on it
Thanks in advance!
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I would highly suggest u to get TOUCH HD. Its a whole lot of new experience. There are too many ROM's available. It rocks

Should I buy a diamond 2 when I've already got a Diamond?

I've been offered a Diamond 2 for pretty cheap and I was wondering what the guys thought about updating?
is it really worth the expense for a removable card and a little bigger screen...or is there more to it?
Is this all there is?
what do you think?
Thanks
mike

The Diamond 2 offers two main advantages:
1. style. It has a bigger screen, and looks better. This is ofcourse depending on your own taste
2. Software. The Diamond 2 has, in my opinion, a much better touchflo interface.
Ofcourse 1 can only be achieved by buying the device. But 2 can also be achieved by a custom ROM. I personally use Gen.Y's D2 ROM. It basically just the diamond rom with the diamond 2 interface installed: very nice. If you want to update read this for a guide. Also wait a few days, Gen.Y will release R5.1 on january 5.
He also makes roms based on the new HTC HD2 Sense interface: Gen.Y's D2X ROM. I've tried it: its definitly a nice interface upgrade but it's kind of laggy on the diamond and uses more RAM. If you want it you should buy a real HD2: it's hardware is very good and reviews say it's super-fast (it has a 1Ghz CPU as opposed to the +-500Mhz of the Diamond, Diamond2 etc.).
To round up: I wouldn't do it, just install a custom rom for the new interface and save the money for a real upgrade, like the HD2.

Thanks for the thoughts, i originally got the TD cos of it's size to power ratio, i recn that the HD/2 is pushing the size thing for me.
I can put the TD in an aluminium belt case and it's not really in the way. the HD may be thou....I need to do more homework first

I have a diamond1, my hubby has a diamond2, and as i really like the looks and size of diamond1 alot more, i also have to admit that the diamond2 is a much more up to date device, it's way faster (processor), has no storage limitations (card slot) and is alot less damage sensitive (diamond1 screen is full of scratches).
Yes, the diamond2 is bigger, but the bigger screen really has advantages (surfing, calender use, input etc..) and i must admit too that TF3D works alot smoother outta the box with diamond2.
Tx to this site i managed to upgrade my diamond1 to a higher standard so it still suits my needs, but i keep bumping in to memory problems (RAM and storage) every now and then, where the diamond2 has no problems at all.
Diamond2 runs even smoother with the newer cooked ROMS (even the ones with all the Leo stuff in it).
I would definitaly choose the diamond2 above the diamond1, but plz don't tell my hubby

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I have a diamond1, my hubby has a diamond2, and as i really like the looks and size of diamond1 alot more, i also have to admit that the diamond2 is a much more up to date device, it's way faster (processor), has no storage limitations (card slot) and is alot less damage sensitive
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The processor of the diamond2 and diamond is 100% the same... The only speed differences can be because of the RAM or interface...
The card slot I'll give you, but speed? A diamond with a basic stripped rom and manilla 2.1 is at least as fast as a stock diamond2, if not faster.

I prefer Diamond II than Diamond I which has
+ Better battery
+ Expansion card slot
+ Bigger screen
+ Reservered ( I haven't got it yet )
I'll take Diamond II when I have chance.

hmmm.....can i justify the expense it's in really good nic and my beloved 3700 is looking a bit worse for wear ...

I love my Diamond but it has it's disadvantages like a shortage of RAM, although the Diamond II does have more RAM it wouldn't make sense for me personally to upgrade to a Diamond II (both have basically the same hardware). I'm due for an upgrade next week and thought that it would be best to upgrade to the Touch HD2 but since it's not available in my country yet I opted to go for the Touch Pro 2 since it has some nice features that the Diamond II does not have... and offcourse a nice big slide out keyboard! The fact that the Diamond II has a 5mp camera and the Touch Pro 2 only a 3.2mp one doesn't matter much to me as well since I barely use it in any case.

It's difficult to add more to what has already been said for the advantages of the Diamond 2 over the Diamond 1.
Recap:
• way better camera
• way better screen
• way better memory (Ram & Rom)
• better battery consumption
• better construction build
• despite the CPU's are identical in specs. Diamond 2 CPU is been rated faster then original diamond
Bonus:
• if you have a great price it's a no brainier as the original Diamond can only compete if lighter weight and smaller size was a priority.
If it had a 3.5mm Jack, heck I think I would trade in my HD for it....

dtechnology said:
The processor of the diamond2 and diamond is 100% the same... The only speed differences can be because of the RAM or interface...
The card slot I'll give you, but speed? A diamond with a basic stripped rom and manilla 2.1 is at least as fast as a stock diamond2, if not faster.
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You're right, i didn't know the processor was the same (only different last digit in specs and rated just a tinytiny bit faster), and i'm comparing them running both on WM6.5 with Sense 2.5, that's not fair towards the good ol' diamond1

I've been thinking about what to upgrade to myself actually. I'm not really willing to pay for a phone offline- so have to restrict myself to the upgrade options available on T-Mobile UK.
The obvious choice would be the HD2 but just thinking it is just that too big, especially going from a Diamond (?)
I dont see the Vario V (HTC Rhodium/TP2) on T-Mobile UK site, anyone if they still do it?
I agree with others that the Diamond2 probably wouldnt be worth it. Saying that, if the price you are getting it at is really cheap then it could be an option; you could always sell off your Diamond. But I'm definitely not about to 'waste' my upgrade on the Diamond2
With the latest ROMs around at the moment, the Diamond barely manages to cope (WM 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 for example).

dtechnology is correct
its just down to personal choice to be fair