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Strange behaviours of tuma 1.3

I've done the upgrade by few days, and i've discovered this strange behaviours (don't know if they are already known):
-When i remove and put again the battery on the boot i see
R none
G none
D 5.xxxxx
so radio is disabled,
doing a soft reset repair the situation.
-Occasionally when i turn on flight mode, the phone goes off, and after few seconds it returns on automatically. Sometimes instead, the phone goes off, but the right green led continues to blink.
-When sound is off or volume is 0, and i receive a flash sms message (i've not tested with other events) the event sound play anyway (very annoying).

I have seen the first two problems (I'm using Antz ROM at the moment). I think they are both related...it's as though the ohone itself is crashing and WM5 cannot talk to it, which would explain the lack of driver version numbers on the reset. I had both after messing around with flight mode. It took a power down, wait 15 sec, then soft-reset to get me going.
I suspect it may be something to do with activating flightmode while wireless is on, but that is a complete guess.

fraser said:
I suspect it may be something to do with activating flightmode while wireless is on, but that is a complete guess.
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Mmm, i think not, because i've discovered while wireless was off.
However i think that the worst problem is the sound playing when volume is 0...

Check those two:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=47817&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48681&highlight=

I am using the 'standard' WM5 version, and this 'radio none' thing happens to me too when I remove the battery, so I guess it's WM5 related...
anyway soft resetting again works for me too

Not turning off (Standby) after no activity ?

Hi everyone,
I just switched from the Touch to the Kaiser and have a problem with the device not going into powersave mode. I am NOT talking about the backlight settings but the power settings that turns off the device after x min of inactivity. The device never turns off for some reason.
This was working fine on the Touch. Is this a common problem on the Kaiser ?
Thanks

pchronos said:
Hi everyone,
I just switched from the Touch to the Kaiser and have a problem with the device not going into powersave mode. I am NOT talking about the backlight settings but the power settings that turns off the device after x min of inactivity. The device never turns off for some reason.
This was working fine on the Touch. Is this a common problem on the Kaiser ?
Thanks
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You don't mention what settings you have it set to. When you tap the battery icon (top bar) and then "advanced", are there time limits set?
If there are - untick the boxes and exit the screen "OK"
Then return to the screen and tick the boxes again and enter time limits exit with "OK"
Personally I always turn to standby manually. WM5/6 often seems to prefer this. WM5 in particular has a habit of not coming out of standby if it goes to standby by itself. The Kaiser seems MUCH more tolerant of this but I just got the habit of doing it manually.
Mike

My backlight settings are not set and my Power settings are as follows:
Turn off device if not used for "1 min" is SET for batt power and NOT SET for external power.
I will try unchecking everything and rechecking to see if that helps.
Thanks,
BTW, TouchFlo scrolling is horrible on the Kaiser compared to the Touch especially in the Internet browser. Surprising for a device with so much more memory and horsepower over the Touch...

i had a same problem with my kaiser... Try to hard reset u phone after hard reset you wont see any problem...

Thanks for the suggestions..
I did a hard reset and the problem remains. It is very strange because if I manually power of the phone it does wake up when I call comes in bit stays on after that.
During a call however the screen goes off !!!
I did the recommended reg hack to stop the screen from blacking out during a call but it still does it.
Has there been any updates to the original (HTC) firmware since release ?
Thanks again.

check this:
\HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL\EnableFastDormantDisplayDuringCall
from "1" to "0" will leave the screen on long enough for voicemail use (probably falling back to the backlight/power settings)...
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From this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330583&highlight=screen+off

Need help with 2 issues

Moving from the Touch to the Kaiser I love the 3G performance and the built-in GPS however there are two MAJOR issues I have that did not exist on the Touch and I cannot understand why the Kaiser with double the memory suffers from this.
1- Erratic scrolling in IE even after the page has loaded ?
2- My other problem (and this is more serios) is that the device does not turn off after the 1 min settings I set in the Power settings. I do not set the backlight dimming settings. I just want to phone to off itself after 1 min. It does not and if I forget to turn it of it just drains the Batt.
Again, the Touch did not have either of these flaws.
Any help with the power issue would be great.
Thanks in advance

pchronos said:
Moving from the Touch to the Kaiser I love the 3G performance and the built-in GPS however there are two MAJOR issues I have that did not exist on the Touch and I cannot understand why the Kaiser with double the memory suffers from this.
1- Erratic scrolling in IE even after the page has loaded ?
2- My other problem (and this is more serios) is that the device does not turn off after the 1 min settings I set in the Power settings. I do not set the backlight dimming settings. I just want to phone to off itself after 1 min. It does not and if I forget to turn it of it just drains the Batt.
Again, the Touch did not have either of these flaws.
Any help with the power issue would be great.
Thanks in advance
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There is a known issue that I and others have been reporting regarding scrolling in PIE. We have not yet identified a way to resolve this. However we have discovered that :
Opera Mini a java midlet based application works well and super fast. A great application for straightforward browsing. No frills but good viewing options and due to the way it works may reduce data charges for some and will certainly impress with its speed. (Freeware)
http://www.operamini.com/beta/
OR
Opera Mobile. Works well and fast, no scrolling issues and actually a pretty good full spec.browser. Not free but has a trial period to test it out. Iuse this and am very pleased with it.
http://www.opera.com/download/mobile/?man=Windows+Mobile+5.0+Pocket+PC&ver=8.65&heading=Windows%20Mobile%205/6%20PPC,%20Professional,%20Classic&img=/img/products/mobile/platform/865.gif&extra=
As for your switch off problem, that I think is just a settings issue, but I'd need to check.
Mike

Regarding turning off after 1 minute.
I suggest you go back into:
Start?Settings>system>Power icon>advanced tab
Uncheck turn off device after 1 minute, click OK.
May be best to perform a soft reset.
Now go back and recheck "turn off device" after 1 minute
Perform a test to see if the one minute turn off is now working, and report back here on success or otherwise.
Mike

mikechannon said:
Regarding turning off after 1 minute.
I suggest you go back into:
Start?Settings>system>Power icon>advanced tab
Uncheck turn off device after 1 minute, click OK.
May be best to perform a soft reset.
Now go back and recheck "turn off device" after 1 minute
Perform a test to see if the one minute turn off is now working, and report back here on success or otherwise.
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for the feedback. I unchecked the power setting to turn off after 1 min, power cycled the phone and set it again. The phone does NOT power off.
I power cycled one more time and still i does not turn off.
Can you please verify this behavior ?
Nothing is checked in the backlight options and ONLY "Turn off device if not used for" 1 min is checked under "On battery power".
The phone never turns off on its own.
Thanks again,

pchronos said:
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the feedback. I unchecked the power setting to turn off after 1 min, power cycled the phone and set it again. The phone does NOT power off.
I power cycled one more time and still i does not turn off.
Can you please verify this behavior ?
Nothing is checked in the backlight options and ONLY "Turn off device if not used for" 1 min is checked under "On battery power".
The phone never turns off on its own.
Thanks again,
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I tested this before making the above post. I tried different time settings and it powered off at the set time. So I can only think that either some application is keeping it "alive" ie. not "idle" so the time trigger never starts or this is something that will only be cured with a hard reset.
If you have killed all running applications and it still will not auto sleep then hard reset may be the only option. If you have full backup facilities this should be a painless operation, though if you reinstall the backup and the problem is caused by an installed application then the problem will return on backup installation.
Mike

The only app that is running ( that I can see ) is Activesync due to push email. This was the case with the Touch so I do not think it is Activesync that is keeping the phone from turning off.
Thanks anyway for your efforts...

Found the problem!
Well it looks like Activesync (DirectPush) is the problem.
If I kill ActiveSync the phone turns itself off at the established timeout. If ActiveSync is running (with DirectPush active) it does not turn off. Again, on the Touch this was not the case so it is not proper behavior.
Any ideas or reg settings to correct this?
Thanks.

pchronos said:
Well it looks like Activesync (DirectPush) is the problem.
If I kill ActiveSync the phone turns itself off at the established timeout. If ActiveSync is running (with DirectPush active) it does not turn off. Again, on the Touch this was not the case so it is not proper behavior.
Any ideas or reg settings to correct this?
Thanks.
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There may be, but I at least don't know them. There are reg keys that tell the device to suspend but keep an application running (sometimes known as "unattended mode". However we know yours does suspend when AS is not running. I just wonder whether there are any "sync" settings within your push mail client that may be running a sync too frequently.
Another, but more remote possibility is that when AS is active it may also be servicing other apps, like weather apps, time sync etc - so perhaps just worth checking there are no other less obvious apps running. AS can also rather stupidly attempt to sync with the PC even if you are not connected to it. So perhaps double check any AS settings.
Mike

I played with the ActiveSync settings and the only way the phone turns off while AS is running is if I disable DirectPush. On manual sync or periodic sync the phone turns off at the proper timeout.
Any idea where DirectPush settings are ?
Thanks

I've this same problem NOW, but I've working over a month with activesync and pushemail active without this issue!!!!! (My configuration was also "as items arrive")
The only thing I can say is that today i suddently saw my exchange settings had been dissapeared without doing anything, then I reconfigured the exchange setting again, and from that moment my kaiser does not suspend if "as items arrive" is selected!

I have the same problem with the phone not switching off, though on mine it doesn't matter whether direct push is on or off, it still won't power down.
Edit: Now that's typical. As soon as I submitted the above and started playing with it, it started working...

Tilt not turning off when connected to PC

I keep my Tilt connected to a PC all the time when I am not using it.... To charge it, and transfer files etc.
The problem is that it never appears to turn off when connected, specifically the screen. Now I don't know if phone screens really suffer from any type of "burn-in", but I'm sure there is some type of limited life on the screens.
I have set the Start > Settings > System > Power > Advanced to turn off the device on external power after a couple of minutes, but it does not appear to do anything.
The settings in Start > Settings > System > Backlight > External Power does seem to work. I set it to turn off backlight after 30 seconds and it does.
I often hit the power button on the phone to turn it to standby when I go to sleep but the screen is often on again when I get to it. It think if it gets a call it might wake the screen, and never shut back off.
How can I ensure that the screen stays off (or powers off after activity) while the device is connected to the PC?
thx

Well there is a light in there that can burn out. Um, what happens if you hit that side button that turns that light off? Works for me when my preciouses is blugged into my comp.

the problem with pushing power button when connected to computer...it turns the screen off, but also breaks the connection to Active Sync for some reason..it charges the phone but activesync connection goes down.
but im a newb on the tilt so there might be an option to enable active sync with display off.
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Well there is a light in there that can burn out. Um, what happens if you hit that side button that turns that light off? Works for me when my preciouses is blugged into my comp.
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ooooooh you know what, whenever I close wow out when I'm done, there is a window saying that active sync was disconnected. I just thought it timed out or something. Hmmmmm
After is has synced do you really need it to keep refreshing?

ChumleyEX said:
Well there is a light in there that can burn out. Um, what happens if you hit that side button that turns that light off? Works for me when my preciouses is blugged into my comp.
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That works, but the problem is if someone calls (or maybe if some other notification comes in...SMS, email, calendar appointment) it lights back up and stays on.
I'm not concerned with ActiveSync disconnecting, I just want to plug it into my computer to leave charging and I would rather not power the device ALL the way down.
-thx

I guess I need to pay more attention to mine.

bengalih said:
That works, but the problem is if someone calls (or maybe if some other notification comes in...SMS, email, calendar appointment) it lights back up and stays on.
I'm not concerned with ActiveSync disconnecting, I just want to plug it into my computer to leave charging and I would rather not power the device ALL the way down.
-thx
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There are programs that you can install that will shut off your screen but leave the rest of the device active. I wouldn't worry about the screen burning though. My Wizard was on like that all the time for over a year (stupid WM6 bug prevented you from turning the phone off if it was plugged in to USB), and my screen never showed any adverse effects.
As long as your backlight goes off, you will be fine.

Powering X1i through USB -- any hacks to do the following...

Hi all,
I frequently charge my X1i through USB. There are 2 problems with this method, however.
1) The device goes into USB drive mode, disabling my SD card apps (I keep them on SD card AT ALL TIMES due to frequent backups/restores)
2) Screen does not turn off! while connected to computer! The screen only dims, but does not turn off.
WITHOUT resorting to a) plugging into wall outlet b) connecting to Activesync, is there any to fix these behaviors?
Thanks!

just let it go into activesync mode, that way you can still access your files on your phone and micro sd card from both your pc and phone. And if you dont like the screen not turning off, they just change the settings or just press the power button, to shut off the display.

I know about the power setting, but when your computer is connected to the computer via USB, it refuses to turn off the screen (only dims it)

what? one simple button press and the screen is off. the device is still visible to the pc. I do it all the time - r3a generic uk rom.

in power options u can set after what time it disables screen... default is never

what? one simple button press and the screen is off. the device is still visible to the pc. I do it all the time - r3a generic uk rom.
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Weird. When I'm connected to Pc, it dims the screen, it does not shut it off. Also, it does NOT auto-shut of screen after the 2 minutes specific in the Power options

You can also use "safely remove devices" to disconnect the data connection from the phone, it'll still charge.

There's nothing we can do AUTO. But like said before, a simple pression on the power button will do it, or you can use My Mobiler and press F11 on your PC.

stisev said:
Weird. When I'm connected to Pc, it dims the screen, it does not shut it off. Also, it does NOT auto-shut of screen after the 2 minutes specific in the Power options
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Yep, I've had 5 different WinMo devices since '05 and they all worked as expected except the X1. I like to use it as an MP3 player at night, Pocket Player has a sleep timer built in so I just like to leave it running as I drift off most nights. But if I do anything, change the volume, rewind, anything at all the screen comes back on and stays on until I hit some other button to turn it back off. All my other devices obeyed the settings you set in the Power tab, but not the X1...
I'd very much like the screen to auto-off if I tell it to while on USB power. It's not only wasting power, but it wakes me up and gets me fumbling for the tiny power button at 2 in the morning. Any fix would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Peter
I bumped up thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561832 Since it has a better title and shows the exact same unresolved issue...

Reg Fix
Adding this potential fix here as well so anyone subscribed to this thread sees it.
Ok, I think I have a fix for this. I googled around some more and found that this might be an HTC problem more than an SE one. There were various registry keys people suggested to try to fix the 'backlight problem' - which may or may not be related. None of those suggestions seemed to work, but I kept changing keys myself and eventually found this seemed to do the trick.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Timeouts\ACUserIdle: 120
I confirmed that changing this value affects the amount of time before my X1's screen turns off - but my MP3s still play with the screen off and my phone wakes on receipt of a new call. This value is the # of seconds before the screen turns itself off (in this case 2 minutes). You do need to soft reset for the change to take effect.
This doesn't seem to be posted anywhere else that I've found doing this to fix this issue issue - I changed a few other registry keys as well that might be enabling this fix. So anyone with this problem, please do give this a try and if it doesn't work I'll post the other keys I changed as well - and if it does then post to say so and we're good
Peter
Update: I tested it also while hooked up to the computer and it does work with the phone accessible through active sync with the screen off and the battery charging (faster now that it isn't competing with the screen for power, except for the 2 minutes before it times out). If I want to use it I just click a button and the screen stays on till I leave it alone for 2 mins and it remains off. Get a call or a message and the screen goes on for 2 minutes and then off - Exact same behaviour on AC and USB - exactly the behaviour I wanted .