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Hello all,
I'm just now debating on whether or not I need to exchange my new Tilt in for another one, or if this is just normal break-in behavior.
The scroll wheel is very erratic, sometimes when scrolling down it will go up instead and reversing the scrolling motion will cause it to freak out (go down once then scroll up like crazy). Also pressing the scroll wheel in to select/click on something often doesn't work forcing me to try several times to "click" on what I have selected.
The scrolling action is nowhere near as smooth as my Hermes, is anyone else having these issues?
******* separate but related issue *******
If it is indeed a hardware issue, does anyone know of a way to restore the bootloader back to AT&T's ... I flashed HardSPL and think I should probably put it back to stock.
Thanks,
Dave
same problem
i am having the same issue, wondering if i should go back to that nasty blue slut of a rom
FEATURES
SuperCID / Security Level=0
Does not check NBH signatures
Based on 1.50 MFG bootloader, rtask enabled
Accept any password
Model ID check only 4 chars
SPL overwrite DISABLED (to bypass, use SSPL-KAIS.exe)
I guess using the SSPL-KAIS.EXE and then flashing an AT&T om would solve that.
Cheers,
Cactus
reitjam said:
i am having the same issue, wondering if i should go back to that nasty blue slut of a rom
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I was having the same problem with the AT&T ROM, but admittedly was not running it for very long before pof released HardSPL.
That's what makes me think it's hardware related.
le_cactus said:
FEATURES
SuperCID / Security Level=0
Does not check NBH signatures
Based on 1.50 MFG bootloader, rtask enabled
Accept any password
Model ID check only 4 chars
SPL overwrite DISABLED (to bypass, use SSPL-KAIS.exe)
I guess using the SSPL-KAIS.EXE and then flashing an AT&T om would solve that.
Cheers,
Cactus
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Thanks Cactus,
I haven't checked the SSPL thread today, I saw that pof closed it last night because it was bricking a lot of phones. Thought he mentioned that he was going to try to get a working one out soon.
Thanks again for the reply.
sirsycho said:
******* separate but related issue *******
If it is indeed a hardware issue, does anyone know of a way to restore the bootloader back to AT&T's ... I flashed HardSPL and think I should probably put it back to stock.
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SSPL v1 is just fine to flash an SPL or a splash screen, it will not work if you flash a full NBH containing OS becuase the NBH buffer is smaller on 0.92.
thanks pof!
Erratic scroll wheel persists across ROMs
Well I flashed back to AT&T ROM this morning and have been playing with it all day, and the erratic behavior is still there.
Given that only one other person complained here, I think it might be my device. Gonna go see my AT&T guy about an exchange.
Thanks for bearing with me.
sirsycho,
Let me know if you got a new device and it is better, please. I am having issues with having to click the scroll wheel really hard to get it to register at times. On another note, unlike all the other keys on my Tilt keyboard, the 's' key barely goes down when you press it and it doesn't click like all the otthers. This causes me to instinctively hit it multiple timessss so I get a lot of Ss in a row. Anyone else?
I have the same problem. It sometimes works and sometimes it dont.
willieb9000 said:
sirsycho,
Let me know if you got a new device and it is better, please. I am having issues with having to click the scroll wheel really hard to get it to register at times. On another note, unlike all the other keys on my Tilt keyboard, the 's' key barely goes down when you press it and it doesn't click like all the otthers. This causes me to instinctively hit it multiple timessss so I get a lot of Ss in a row. Anyone else?
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My new device is on the FedEx truck for delivery today... I'm going to try it out with the standard AT&T ROM for a bit to get a good baseline and then flash to HTC's... I'll try to post an update tonight.
Thanks.
sirsycho said:
Well I flashed back to AT&T ROM this morning and have been playing with it all day, and the erratic behavior is still there.
Given that only one other person complained here, I think it might be my device. Gonna go see my AT&T guy about an exchange.
Thanks for bearing with me.
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Not you're device. I had this issue prior to unlocking, then with the htc rom and again now with the att rom. To me, it looks either hardware issue, or something lower level is the OS that is common to all current roms. PErhaps the sensitivity of the wheel needs tweaking somehow.
I had issues with my scroll wheel as well. Coming from an 8525 I was like WTF did they do to this wheel? Sometimes the click wasn't registering, but either it's broken in, or I've adjusted my habits because it seems OK now, though not as solid feeling as the 8525 was. I'm sitting here with both the 8525 and Tilt in my hands and the wheel on the 8525 is definitely better.
I'm experiencing the same problem. The wheel feels scratchy when rotated, unlike my Hermes which was smooth. Usually wheels of this type are metal contacts against a circuit board, which use a binary gray code to register direction. I'm thinking its been designed poorly. Perhaps the Hermes unit was $.02 more money.
I wonder if we can replace it with a Hermes unit?
thanks sirsycho.. Update us once you get your new one.
Update with new Tilt and ATT ROM
ok... I'm still running the ATT ROM and still having the scroll wheel issues. Exactly the same things mentioned by others here... scrolling doesn't always register and when pressing in on the wheel I have to do it a couple times before it actually works.
On a side note, it seemed to be getting better on the older device before I switched, but as was mentioned above, that might just be me getting used to the substandard hardware (both of my Hermes work sooo much better).
I'll probably try this out through tomorrow before I flash the HTC ROM... I'll post again if anything improves.
Same scroll wheel problems for me (I have a Tilt). It sounds like maybe it improves as you break it in, so I'll give it a few more days before returning. Grrr....
Same problem here with my first Tilt. I returned the next day because this thread hadn't popped up yet so I thought it was just me and one defective unit. I subsequently got one that (knock on wood) has performed much better. Still notice a few jutters here and there, but the wheel doesn't feel as "scratchy" as mentioned before.
When I had my first Tilt, I noticed it much more when moving the wheel slowly. Here's hoping the problem doesn't start again because so far so good with my new one.
hello i'm using htc Tytn II
rom version : 1.81.707.0 WWE
rom date : 09/05/07
Radio version : 1.27.12.11
Protocol version : 22.45.88.07H
CE OS 5.2.1620 (Build 1825.0.4.2)
and everything works fine up,down and push.....
cheers
Just got a Tilt 3 days ago
Just got a Tilt 3 days ago and Im having the same erratic scroll wheel problem.
I see that this is an old thread, so I'm wondering if any conclusion as to this being a hardware or software problem have been made?
Thanks
Hi
i currently own a Vario 2 from Tmobile, had it about 18 months now and more than happy with it.
The question is, is it worth upgrading to a Vario 3. i have read some of this forum and seems to be a lot of negative views on the Vario 3.
So should i upgrade or just sit with my Vario 2?
the only reason would be if you needed integrated GPS...
In any other cases : NO
I dont really need a seperate GPS as i have a full tomtom.
so i guess the vario 3 does not add much more to the choice then.
more ram, more rom, larger storage capabilities.... its not just the gps chip
I would agree on the whole stability issue. My hermes was a nightmare for the whole 18 months i owned it. Soft resets several times a day, occaisonal spontaneous hard resets, crashes for no reason, sleep of death, non-functioning touch screen...the list goes on.
But the tytn 2 (which i do own) is a crippled platform (video drivers) and you may well find that waiting for something like the imate 9502 (if it ever comes) would be better.
I just bought one (but didnt have the II before to compare) and I have to say its far surpassed my hopes and expectations... so far that is... lol... I did and do own an Acer N50 premium pda and that I had to soft reset often and while the screen was a little larger the III is more clear and vibrant... all in all you wouldnt be going wrong getting one.
Yes forgetting the driver issue the Kaiser is better phone. Like Mike said much better feel and more stable. The extra RAM was really why I upgraded from Hermes and I am happy with it over all. I dont want to bring the driver thing to this thread also, but I wish HTC would do something about these issues. These days putting a unfinished product to the market is one thing, but saying we aint going to fix this is another.
I guess it comes down to how much you would have to pay. If you get a good deal and good price from your old phone why not.
I only use the office apps email etc. I dont use the camera, play games, watch video or use even the gps.
My heavyest use could be like: writing a new email, Word and Ecxel open for copying something for the email and i get a call, all in the same time. This is when i dont want my phone to crash and Kaiser is been working great for this type of use.
tsadek said:
But the tytn 2 (which i do own) is a crippled platform (video drivers)
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Is it actually any worse that previous model in this respect though? As in, can it be lived with considering the fact you no longer have to:
tsadek said:
Soft resets several times a day, occaisonal spontaneous hard resets, crashes for no reason, sleep of death, non-functioning touch screen...the list goes on.
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Personally I would put up with lag to some degree if it meant I no longer had to soft reset several times a day and risked loosing everything with a random hard reset...do you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
Steve-C said:
Ido you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
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5 Minutes to be exact. sprite backup has made restoring a matter of minutes rather than hours. I do alot of testing with my TYTN II being an MS beta tester plus beta testing for a few other companies I have to do hard resets to change configuration. I have about 6 different backups on mine used for different tests but to hard reset its a breeze. sprite backup is well worth using (plug not intended)
I've been using Vario II for quite a long time. I had only issues with TomTom on the stock WM5 ROM. From the first cooked WM6 ROMs I've been quite happy. Nevertheless, I decided to change for Vario III. And I don't regret.
It's slimmer, I do feel that 128MB Ram make a difference.
There are 2 things I don't like. First one, I cannot use it as a torch when goin down the stairs to the loo in the middle of the night and that ****e quality rubber covering the microsd slot. After a few card swaps it looks as if it had been used for a year, not 2 weeks. If it was made from harder plastic, everything would be ok.
Steve-C said:
Is it actually any worse that previous model in this respect though? As in, can it be lived with considering the fact you no longer have to:
Personally I would put up with lag to some degree if it meant I no longer had to soft reset several times a day and risked loosing everything with a random hard reset...do you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
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Its a tough one especially as i have a friend who owns a hermes and never has any problems with it.
Knowing what I know now I would probably not upgrade and wait a bit and see what appears in the next 6 months as well continue to pester orange for a properly functioning handset.
That said the Kaiser is VERY liveable with and does what i ask of it but the slowdowns are noticeable and quite disappointing.
I too have a Vario II from T-Mobile. Worlds worse phone by far. Mine's been back for repair twice. Keeps crashing, buttons lock up. Last time it went back because every time it crashed (twice a day) you had to reboot it. Then the alarm clock would go off for 40 minutes on vibrate and speaker and couldn't be stopped with out taking the battery out.
Totally fed up with this horrible phone. I was so fed up I put the phone in the microwave to trash the system board so T-Mobile had to give me a new one.
Got the phone yesterday and it crashed... pressed reset on the bottom with the stylus. This morning phones locked up again while selecting a ring tone. Argh....... I want my Nokia 9300 communicator back.
I'd love the Nokia E90. HSDPA and it has a good reputation.
I've an iPAQ 2790 with a 624Mhz cpu and 256Mb ram so I really don't need this thing from T-Mobile. Maybe ebaying it is the solution to my problems.
forgot to mention the new vario II back from T-Mobile has windows mobile 6 on it. Just as rubbish on this phone as windows mobile 5.
I personally find the Vario II with WM6 on it very stable. There is no comparison with WM5 - now I reset it more out of habit than any need. There are some issues but nothing that causes me real problems.
Having had both a Kaiser (on loan) and a Hermes for the last 4 months having to pay for an upgrade or going through loads of fuss to get one is not really worth the extras the Kaiser has over the Hermes.
A fresh user I would tell to get the Kaiser ofcourse.
Id also add that the vast majority of users in the Hermes section and from the people I know who use them havent had such extreme issues as soft resets daily and random Hard resets, most of the issues people encounter are due to 3rd party apps conflicting with eachother.
The driver issue with the kaiser is a pretty poor point personally since I tend to use coreplayer quite alot and the playback on the Hermes is flawless.
Id say if you already have a hermes then the added extras on the kaiser aint really enough to justify an upgrade (since knowing HTC a TyTN III or something like is soon around the corner), but for a brand new user its worth getting one.
I had a VarioII for 18 months before upgrading to a VarioIII, and I know exactly this dilemma.
Does the VarioIII have enough to persuade you to ditch the II?
My answer is yes - but with qualifications.
I had the BT GPS/TomTom/powered car kit setup on my VarioII, so the in-built GPS is of value. My TT Navigator software installed with no fuss on the VarioIII, and that is more stable (I had occasional hang ups in TT6 which hitting OK then opening the TT6 dsoftware again alays got past). Its behaved flawlessly in this regard, even though the GPS unit isnt as good as my BT SirfStarIII unit its certainly up to the job.
Like others have said, the extra RAM seems to make a huge difference to performance - very few soft resets and NO hard resets in the month I've had the phone. Also, I had the classic VarioII "screen align drift" issue, and I've not had to recalibrate once with the VarioIII yet.
My biggest issue is with the screen slide going the "wrong" way. It just seems daft. This means putting the stylus away with the screen in landscape is now a left handed function and damn fiddly, and dont get me started on where the scroll wheel is now! It used to be so easy to roll with your thumb in landscape mode - now its a right index finger job, and is behind the open screen. Poor decision, HTC.
I flashed my VarioII to WM6 via the t-mobile website, and that has performed better since, so maybe a VarioIII isnt a necessary purchase. However, I'm enjoying mine, and that is the best acid test of all.
Good luck.
This phone is making me like...crazy!
and this is why:
I synct some playlists to the phone with windows media player 10, suddenly all playlists on my diamond are empty.
When i removed all the playlists on windows media player 10 to sync them again, it deleted all my songs!
now i got all my songs onto the device again, and wanted to alter 1 playlist, it took windows media player 6 minutes, to just alter, replace, 1 pooping playlist!\
Its not possible to remove a playlist created in the touchflo music player itself.
Not able to select it and then delete it.
Half of the icons in the games folder are ****ed up, we already have a thread with solutions(i tried all of them), but none of them worked.
And the performance, even with the tlr rom or whatever the name was, the diamond still goes slow!
And the battery depletes quickly, with auto attach off, and incoming beam off.
Cant receive a file with bluetooth, with incoming beam on or off, it keeps saying my pc is a new device and asks if i want to set a password, no matter if i set a password or not, it goes back to the menu, and still says my pc is a new device
And i used a mod of the diamond tweaks thread, to auto lock my diamond when the screen goed off.
Well, 1/5 times, it autounlocks itself when i turn the screen back on. not good...
And finally, the opera browser is sometimes not doing what i want. sometimes goes to a random place on the page, if i move and let the stylus go, it moves back to that random page, to fix this i need to quit, then restart opera.
This happens about 1/5 times i use opera.
Is this where i payed 481 euro's for...?
Any ideas how to fix this sh!t is welcome, i already did a hard reset to try getting rid of some problems.
borgqueenx said:
This phone is making me like...crazy!
and this is why:
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Nothing to complain about the phone?
marco899 said:
Nothing to complain about the phone?
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what do you mean?
theres a whole list of bad things there.
btw: forgot to mention that the diamond stylus made some nasty scratches on the screen when wiping over the screen in opera to scroll page, or goto next photo in touchflo, ect.
Got a protector included for that.
Install a fresh rom, I don't have any of your problems.
I use bluetooth a lot:
Sending files (goes hell fast), don't want to use cable when using .cab files here
For my parrot
For use as a modem (have reached 120kbyte/second) when online with phone!
All flawless.
I have very very good results with HTC's own new rom update via e-club.
TLR nr. 2 was quite buggy at my phone.
GOod luck!
borgqueenx said:
This phone is making me like...crazy!
and this is why:
...
Any ideas how to fix this sh!t is welcome, i already did a hard reset to try getting rid of some problems.
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Spare yourself next trouble to come and sell it, as I did with mine
czbird said:
Spare yourself next trouble to come and sell it, as I did with mine
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what have you got now may i ask?
Humbly returned to my previous P535.
I must admit that apart from Diamond, there is currently not many devices to choose from on the market... Was thinking about getting P750, but still unsure...
Xperia scares me, mainly because of the unusual screen resolution (dunno how all the apps will handle it) and that also is supposed to be made by HTC...
Maybe Diamond Pro will not suffer from these newborn diseases that my Diamond had - will see...
i think im going for the iphone 3g. will be expensive though...
the touch diamond really disappoints me...
borgqueenx said:
Its not possible to remove a playlist created in the touchflo music player itself.
Not able to select it and then delete it.
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Use the hardware buttons beneath the screen. You can navigate to the playlist you want to delete, and hold the 'enter' button to get the menu to get the 'right mouse button menu'.
Using your fingers it is impossible as it automatically selects the playlist if you press it. No menu will pop up.
borgqueenx said:
i think im going for the iphone 3g. will be expensive though...
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What do you mean? It will be much cheaper than the Diamond.
I wonder if you're expecting to install applications on that phone, or do any customization...
Mwahahahahahha!!!!
Another Winer! XD
I'd give this post 5/5 for creativity, 6/5 for whining and -1 for usefullness ^^
you can almost FEEEL that you joined only after buying the phone, and I'd guess that it's your first WM one..
Anyway, regarding your problems..
If your phone really is that bad, it's probably broken (pre-production, grey, some dimwit dropped it in the shop or any other reason). In any case, return it by warranty, and get a new one..
Having so many people love this phone, and being able to fix the issues.. and only you and a handful of others run around whining.. Surely it's obvious that it's either a lack of hands.dll or a simple hardware failure..
I mean you should be smart enough to grasp it.... ermm.. right?
Cheers
P.S. Oh, and please don't be offended by this post.. It was mainly inspired by your post anyway, but it was written half-jokingly as I couldn't really answer seriously to that amount of QQ
@ 205_laCoste...
You're my hero.
Had a lot of trouble removing two playlists, but using the hardware buttons solved it right away....
Thank You!
I'm ready to throw my diamond out the window, for pretty much the same reasons. I paid way too much money to have so many problems. And I shouldn't have to flash a new rom. It should be good to go out of the box.
Before I'm also accused of being a whiner, there is a plethora of posts of people having the same problems....with no solutions. The bluetooth issue is a biggie. I tweak my phone to enhance it, but I shouldn't have to be a programmer to simply make it function properly. To suggest that is just arrogant.
There are things that I absolutely love about this phone, but simply as a phone it sucks.
most of the time it is not the fault of the phone but the person
using it.
a lot of people have come here after having a normal phone and
dont understand how to use this one.
treat it more like a computer than a phone.you dont have to be
a programer you just have to know how to read a thread and
follow the directions.
if you have a 1.37 rom you need to upgrade it to a 1.93.
1.37 is crap.okay it shouldnt have been but it was that why
it was upgraded to 1.93.
if you still dont get it then sell the phone.go buy a fruit
phone and get ripped off just like all the other sheep out there.
I have to stand up for nursie here. I've returned my diamond several months ago (yeah, it was driving me nuts) and am happily living with my P750... these offenses are absolutely not necessary and untrue as well as uncritically extolling the device - gee, it's just another PDA
czbird said:
I have to stand up for nursie here. I've returned my diamond several months ago (yeah, it was driving me nuts) and am happily living with my P750... these offenses are absolutely not necessary and untrue as well as uncritically extolling the device - gee, it's just another PDA
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I have to agree, to an extent.
It's generally accepted on here that the Diamond is badly configured out of the box, which is why new users are recommended to flash a new ROM. This is not a good thing, although it's great we have such a good community of chefs to help solve the problem.
What's less well accepted is that much of the HTC software on the Diamond is slow and awkward. I'm talking about TF3D and the HTC dialer in particular, get rid of them and you can make the Diamond a great little phone just like your P750.
964rs777 said:
most of the time it is not the fault of the phone but the person
using it.
a lot of people have come here after having a normal phone and
dont understand how to use this one.
treat it more like a computer than a phone.you dont have to be
a programer you just have to know how to read a thread and
follow the directions.
if you have a 1.37 rom you need to upgrade it to a 1.93.
1.37 is crap.okay it shouldnt have been but it was that why
it was upgraded to 1.93.
if you still dont get it then sell the phone.go buy a fruit
phone and get ripped off just like all the other sheep out there.
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I upgraded to 1.93. And I'm quite proficient at reading and researching. I'm also very proficient with current technology. I get it. What you don't get is that a consumer spending big bucks on this phone shouldn't have to resort to advanced tweaks (which I understand, BTW...you won't find me here asking newbie questions) in order to bring the phone up to basic performing standards.
Again.....yours is a fine example of ignorance masking itself as arrogance.
I bought an ATT tilt quite a while ago. It is out of warranty now, and wouldn't you know it, something went wrong.
I'm currently using Dutty's Diamond ROM (with the keyboard fix installed), but the same happened before with the official ROM. While I text some keys don't work. I'll be typing away, just to look at the screen and see that I am missing a bunch of letters, rendering the message unreadable. I then have to go back and fill in all the blanks, and even then sometimes it takes several tries to get it to go. The same happens with the backspace key; sometimes it just doesn't work, other times it does (oddly enough, when it doesn't work normally, it usually lets me hit "function" and use it as the delete key).
My other concern is that there is a ton of lag while typing. It takes a while for letters to show up. Is that normal (for the Tilt, at least. I'm still wishing I had bought a BlackBerry)?
Yeah, I had similar troubles. I just upgraded my SPL and hopefully will be testing it further testing.
what SPL are you running?
I'm not entirely sure, it was a while ago that I flashed the ROM. How do I find out what it is? I tried Device Information, but it wasn't there.
you have to put it in Bootloader mode.
hold power and camera button while resetting with the stylus, then you'll come to the tricolor screen which will give you the SPL info.
KAIS1*0 MFG
SPL-1.0.OliPof
CPLD-8
I am having the same exact problem, 1 out of 5 times it works corectly so im thinking it has to be somekind of software, my problem started when I started using ROMeOS's rom's and I have tried different SPL's virsions.
I've heard that the keyboard/membrane may be the problem. Is that likely? If so, is there anywhere to buy them?
crushbup said:
KAIS1*0 MFG
SPL-1.0.OliPof
CPLD-8
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You can use this to update your SPL, I just went from 1.0 to 3.29.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
mech_supernova said:
I am having the same exact problem, 1 out of 5 times it works corectly so im thinking it has to be somekind of software, my problem started when I started using ROMeOS's rom's and I have tried different SPL's virsions.
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What SPL are you currently on? did you reinstall the ROM after updating ur SPL?
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I've heard that the keyboard/membrane may be the problem. Is that likely? If so, is there anywhere to buy them?
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cnn.cn has them for cheap AFAIK!
Thanks!
But they only have the outer keypad (the one right below the screen). Well, I hope this can be fixed with software, because the only place I saw that listed them showed them at $39.99 and they were out of stock.
whistler4ever said:
You can use this to update your SPL, I just went from 1.0 to 3.29.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
What SPL are you currently on? did you reinstall the ROM after updating ur SPL?
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I got the same SPL he has, I did a hard reset afterwards then downgraded back to 1.0 because I saw no improvement.
I thought RomeOS worked best with 3.29.
crushbup said:
Thanks!
But they only have the outer keypad (the one right below the screen). Well, I hope this can be fixed with software, because the only place I saw that listed them showed them at $39.99 and they were out of stock.
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http://www.gsm4world.us/shop/tytn-p4550-keyboard-flex-p-1433.html
found this in another thread!
Success! If the SPL doesn't work and I can't convince AT&T to do it, I'll order one and put it in. How do you install it?
EDIT: I just installed skyfire, and noticed that while I was putting in my email and password it was smooth and nothing was skipped. I'm almost 100% certain this is a problem with WinMo itself
I have been having the same problem as you are describing, but I have noticed that it is with heavy use keys like T, H, E, R, S and for some reason V.
I was getting the feeling that it was a hardware problem rather than a software problem because, especially with the V, I have to apply a bit of pressure to get the button to work.
Unfortunately for me I bought mine off Ebay so the warranty is already void.
Incidentally mine started happening when I had the original network providers (T-Mobile) rom on it. I have since installed an original HTC rom and it hasnt made the slightest bit of difference.
So, how easy is it to open up the back of the Tytn II and replace the keyboard unit then?
Oh my god! Thank you for posting this. I swear I have always felt like posting this but always got too lazy. I thought it was only me that had this problem. It is so annoying typing away, and then having to spend another minute to retype the letters that didn't get inputed the first time. It is so frustrating and I thought it was my fault or something, or ROM, I believe its hardware related, but I am not going to spend another dime on this POS. I'm just not so patiently awaiting t-mobile to release their android device, and I will jump ship and never look back! Thanks for the post again, it has given me piece of mind.....ironically
I'm kind of wanting T-Mobile's Android phone, but seeing as how it's made by HTC, I'll wait for the first couple of user-reviews to come out. I bought the Tilt based on website reviews, but man, I was really misled. They said the camera was great, I can only get blurry unrecognizable images. They made no mention of the fact that when you switch to landscape it takes 3 seconds for all the graphics to appear.
I'm disappointed, and I think my next phone will be a plain vanilla flip phone.
Anywho, I'm updating the SPL now, I'll post if it makes any change.
Okay, I now have HardSPL 3.56 and there does not appear to be much of a change. There was some short lag at the beginning of the text string, but afterwards it caught up. I missed no letters this time. I cannot say how much of this was the placebo effect (i.e. it just felt faster), but perhaps if everyone with the issue tries we can have a reasonable answer.
ETA: I added a poll, so if you try this, fill in the poll!
disable word suggestion under Input setting.
i don't miss any characters with it disabled.
It was already disabled for me. I know I didn't change it, I think the ROM came that way.
I just got my Diamond back from repairs and wanted to compare experiences:
1)
I first bought a Diamond two months ago. It came with 1.37 ROM series on it, the screen wasn't too yellowish, but touch function wasn't responsive and the GPS was a MESS!
(of course, I tried many ROMs official and unofficial, almost every Radio ROM and various Hard-SPL. None of that fixed the problems.)
I could cope with with the other flaws, but I just couldn't bear my GPS wasn't getting a fix, no matter how much sattelits were in view...
It worked at first, but soon started to display '66666' instead of the location and finally, it would never display any location again.
I tried every tips and tricks and softs, it helped giving me more and more satellits in view and apparently active, but at the end my crappy GPS could never turn the datas received into a proper location...
2)
I sent my device back to warranty (after flashing back to official ROM and SPL) and had to wait for about a month.
(the technician at first tought I was just a noob unable to set his phone properly, but after two days of attempts, he had to admit that there was something wrong with my phone and sent it to the the headquarter for replacement of motherboard and so on.
3)
The new phone I got came directly with 1.93 ROM and a little bit more yellowish screen, though, there is no spot or stain on it. So the coulour doesnt bother me.
But from the beginning I noticed the new phone was much more responsive even at the slightest touch.
From the first try, the GPS got a fix in about 1 mn time, with only 3-4 satelits in view.
I installed Hard-SPL and the latest Australian Official ROM, and though the screen seems now a little less responsive than before, the GPS is still working, fine.
I'm a VERY happy user of Diamond now, but I'm still wondering one thing:
it looks like once the warranty technicians understood that I was very demanding about quality and complete functions, they took time but gave me a phone totally different in terms of behaviour and quality of the components sensitivity of screen, GPS etc.
Is there some bad production series that they never tells publicly about, and much more better series that they give you as a replacement once they understand you will bother them until the end of time if you are not satsified?
Plz tell your experience about having received two new diamonds with totally different behaviour and quality of the components.
I guess you are totally right!!!
My first device was pealing paint in the aluminium frame on the second day, work very good by the way.
Now i´m on the second device and i my hardware keys, especially the call button is sometimes irresponsive and i have to push it several times to enter the dial.
Tried cooked rooms as well, and the call button issue still remains, so i´m a little unhappy with my diamond experience.
I've noticed that whenever i turn on my display after having left the diamond unused for sometime the lcd doesn't switch on smoothly, what i mean is that it first displays a grey pattern(only for a ms or so) and then the desktop( lcd off>>grey flash>>desktop). Usually the transition from off to desktop is quite smooth, but in my case its not!
Is this a s/w issue or h/w ?
I've never experienced that particular problem myself, but sounds like H/W problem to me...
just been through a couple of other threads related to the grey screen of death...i've had it once...it happened while i ended a call, had to soft reset to resolve it.
take a look at the grey screen of death i'm talking about
Pretty scary indeed!
It might not be a coincidence that you experienced both: grey transition when switching on the screen and once, the grey screen of death after a call...
Two different effects of the same defective part in your H/W?
a solution!, almost
untill now i've had auto brightness control switched off and the brightness was set to minimum to save battery life, but now i just tried switching on auto adjust backlight and the problem seems to have vanished.....coming out of standby is smooth as ever!
although i've to say that i don't quite understand the logic behind it.
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it doesn't help for long
blufade said:
a solution!, almost
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it doesn't help for long
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This is what I was worrying about...
Your method sounded like a work around to avoid the display failure. But as a matter of fact, there must be a reason for the display to fail. (bad screen, power supply or something...)
By the way, I'm more and more convinced about my assumption that there are bad production series and better ones:
Today I had my device connected to my PC through USB for a couple of hours. In the meantime, I was downloading and deleting messages, watching google video on opera, after that I used wifi etc.
In this situation, my first Diamond would have got hot like hell and my hand could barely stand the pain...
Since many people were complaining about over-heat problems, I thought that was a common problem with Diamond.
But the new one did not get that hot. Just a little over-warmed, but definitely not too hot. From that phenomenon, I can see what I felt about a better touch-flow behaviour, a better GPS and so on is a part of a whole:
I was first sold a ****ty phone, and now I finally got a proper Diamond!
People with bad series, you don't have to cope with all those troubles, ask for a replacement phone!
my diamond gets heated up quite a bit at times....but i dont fully uderstand what exactly is the cause.....i've had experiences with the diamond getting pretty hot while using wifi & or gps and on another occasion i was watching a DVDRIP via wifi(@ full power) using core player and also with gps cycle running in the backgroud, still the diamond stayed well within reasonable limits.
i think it has to be a software problem, possibly the radio s/w
would you mind sharing the radio version of your diamond?
As written in my signature, I'm using the 1.00.25 which is included in all latest official ROMs.
By the way, I hope you did not cast a spell on me! (just kidding)
Today I experienced my first grey screen!!!
My Diamond was connected to the PC through USB cable, downloading e-mails, and I got a phone call. When I hung the phone, It suddainly happened, for the first time in my Diamond user carreer!
Just for one second, looking like an old black and white TV screen trying to tune on channels.
Hope that was the first and last time. In ordinary calls, (without being synchronized to the PC at the same time, it never happened so far...
sorry to hear that my friend
My Diamond was connected to the PC through USB cable, downloading e-mails, and I got a phone call. When I hung the phone, It suddainly happened, for the first time in my Diamond user carreer!
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I'd the same experience except for the fact that my diamond wasn't connected to a PC.
I hard reseted my diamond yesterday, but the grey splash while i turn on the display from standby(post 3) still exists ( ......i don't suppose its a software problem anymore.
blufade said:
i don't suppose its a software problem anymore.
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Why not trying to send it back to the seller and get a new one?
This problem is easy to demonstrate to the technicians, and I don't think they will be cheeky enough to say that's a normal phenomenon!
This problem is easy to demonstrate to the technicians, and I don't think they will be cheeky enough to say that's a normal phenomenon!
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not that easy.....the thing is that if we turn on & off the lcd without a gap of atleast 4-5 min(dono exactly) i dont see that grey splash
i think im going to wait another 3-4 months before i approach for warranty.
I had that "gray splash" problem with my Kaiser and Diamond.
Hard reset also didn't work like above. For both devices the fix was simply flashing to a different (cooked) ROM.
As mentioned in another thread, the grey screen problem was fixed (as least for me when I flashed to dutty's rom)
blufade said:
not that easy.....the thing is that if we turn on & off the lcd without a gap of atleast 4-5 min(dono exactly) i dont see that grey splash
i think im going to wait another 3-4 months before i approach for warranty.
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You can stay there and wait for 5 more minutes in the shop while they are attending other customers, just to proove your point.
If they are honest, they will not deny the fact!
foxium said:
I had that "gray splash" problem with my Kaiser and Diamond.
Hard reset also didn't work like above. For both devices the fix was simply flashing to a different (cooked) ROM.
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knave said:
As mentioned in another thread, the grey screen problem was fixed (as least for me when I flashed to dutty's rom)
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There might be some tweaks in the cooked ROMs that avoid the problem, or it might be due to some bad flashing or defective hardware.
If not, how do you explain that I've never experienced this with my previous HTC phones (wizard, Trinity...) nor I experienced it with my Diamonds (the first one and the new one) with stock or cooked ROMs.
except for that very special time, when I received a call while downloading messages through Active Sync.