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A couple of really strange issues - Please Help!

Hey all,
so i have two very strange issues...
1. Bluetooth OBEX - I can send FROM the phone to any device (That supports it) but I cannot send anything TO the phone from any device. Typically i will get a generic "Device does not support OBEX" error message
-- I have tried sending paired, and not paired
-- I have verified that filesharing is on, and all of my bluetooth options are enabled
2. SMS's not in order - When I installed my current rom (see my sig) And used PIM restore to put my SMS's back, they are not in the order that the conversation happened. If you look @ each day. the messages appear their's first for the day, then mine... its kinda weird.
-- In some instances I dont even see the messages that were sent to me. When I tried making PIMBackup to restore the messages again it said they were already there. I have received some new SMS"s that I dont want to wipe out if I can avoid it but i've never seen this before and it makes no sense
Another thing.. where do I edit the size of text on context menu's ? (asside from the start menu which was using LargeStartMenu)

RickoT said:
Hey all,
so i have two very strange issues...
1. Bluetooth OBEX - I can send FROM the phone to any device (That supports it) but I cannot send anything TO the phone from any device. Typically i will get a generic "Device does not support OBEX" error message
2. SMS's not in order - When I installed my current rom (see my sig) And used PIM restore to put my SMS's back, they are not in the order that the conversation happened. If you look @ each day. the messages appear their's first for the day, then mine... its kinda weird.
Another thing.. where do I edit the size of text on context menu's ? (asside from the start menu which was using LargeStartMenu)
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Hi there,
1.Not all devices are bluetooth 2.0 compliant and I have the same problem sending from older devices.
2. SMS's order can be set in main screen. Select Received on top right
3.Text size can be changed under Start>Settings>System>Screen
There is a tab for font size at the bottom with a slide bar. I have set mine to 2nd last notch from right.
Hope this helps.
MAC

MACkjam said:
Hi there,
1.Not all devices are bluetooth 2.0 compliant and I have the same problem sending from older devices.
2. SMS's order can be set in main screen. Select Received on top right
3.Text size can be changed under Start>Settings>System>Screen
There is a tab for font size at the bottom with a slide bar. I have set mine to 2nd last notch from right.
Hope this helps.
MAC
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Hey MAC, thanks for the reply
for the bluetooth item, this is from my brand new dell laptop or even another att tilt. Even my friends 8125 that was working on some other roms i have problems with now.
the SMS issue is not on the inbox screen its on the actual message history screen. So if I click on an item in my inbox it brings up the coversation thread. In there it shows all of my friends messages first then the ones I sent in reply so instead of .... them... me .. .them.. me. its them... them.. them.. me .. me.. me ... its kind of weird
I had already checked the text size on the screen page. It was set to normal, but the menu's are still huge (see screenshot)

RickoT said:
Hey MAC, thanks for the reply
for the bluetooth item, this is from my brand new dell laptop or even another att tilt. Even my friends 8125 that was working on some other roms i have problems with now.
the SMS issue is not on the inbox screen its on the actual message history screen. So if I click on an item in my inbox it brings up the coversation thread. In there it shows all of my friends messages first then the ones I sent in reply so instead of .... them... me .. .them.. me. its them... them.. them.. me .. me.. me ... its kind of weird
I had already checked the text size on the screen page. It was set to normal, but the menu's are still huge (see screenshot)
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I see re the bluetooth issue. Nt sure as my laptop sends and receives fine from my TyTN II.
If you are using threaded sms then I can't help as I have normal one.
I see you are also using WK Task which comes with the Kaiser. I have removed that and opted for Quickmenu. It is MUCH better, smaller and gives you cascading menus like in Windows XP/Vista. It is also freeware. (File attached). Just place all the files in the zip archive to a folder anywhere on your device, create shortcut if you want, but I suggest you place a shortcut in the startup folder.

MACkjam said:
I see re the bluetooth issue. Nt sure as my laptop sends and receives fine from my TyTN II.
If you are using threaded sms then I can't help as I have normal one.
I see you are also using WK Task which comes with the Kaiser. I have removed that and opted for Quickmenu. It is MUCH better, smaller and gives you cascading menus like in Windows XP/Vista. It is also freeware. (File attached). Just place all the files in the zip archive to a folder anywhere on your device, create shortcut if you want, but I suggest you place a shortcut in the startup folder.
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Yah I've been working on the BT issue since yesterday with no luck
I am using threaded SMS which is why its annoying me that the messages are not appearing in order...
I use WK task in tandem with QuickMenu... I love quick menu, but I still cant figure out how to fix the font sizes... its every context menu not just the tray apps... even my resco context menu is huge and i have to scroll it to do stuff its kind of irritating
Thanks for the suggestions tho, I hope someone has a solution for me, I really like this rom and dont want to change it

Ok So I just discovered that I am completely retarded and forgot to check the "Accept all incoming beams" option in the beam control panel applet... now, how do I go about fixing my SMS messaging issue and chaning the fonts for the menus? They are HUGE!
Thanks in advance!

RickoT said:
Ok So I just discovered that I am completely retarded and forgot to check the "Accept all incoming beams" option in the beam control panel applet... now, how do I go about fixing my SMS messaging issue and chaning the fonts for the menus? They are HUGE!
Thanks in advance!
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Any suggestions on these other two issues? My threaded messaging not being threaded in the right order is really starting to irritate me I can use SK tools to see that all the messages appear in the database but they dont show in messaging correctly

RickoT said:
Any suggestions on these other two issues? My threaded messaging not being threaded in the right order is really starting to irritate me I can use SK tools to see that all the messages appear in the database but they dont show in messaging correctly
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Yup when I restore my Messages its not in order. I truly believe its because of how PIM restores the Messages. All Received First Then all Sent. So to the Device it IS in order. I've posted this thought in the PIM Backup thread. I don't think they've got it figured out yet. Sorry.

JimmyMcGee said:
Yup when I restore my Messages its not in order. I truly believe its because of how PIM restores the Messages. All Received First Then all Sent. So to the Device it IS in order. I've posted this thought in the PIM Backup thread. I don't think they've got it figured out yet. Sorry.
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Actually I just finished fixing the PIM Backup issue too.. its kind of a known issue with 6.1 If you restore everything but your messaging DB. Clear your messaging DB in the messaging app. Terminate the messaging app process then run PIM restore... run the messaging app and let it rebuild the threads it seems to work.. Also make sure that you set your regional date settings to what your normally set it to BEFORE you run PIM backup... some people believe that this may also be the issue.... so process is...
1. Flash
2. Restore all of your data using PIM backup EXCEPT messages
3. Open messaging and clear your SMS boxes
4. Terminate the messaging application
5. Do your PIM Restore
6. Open mesaging
Worked for me!
1 more issue to go and thats the large menu font size!
here is the thread (and post) I found it on : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1903404&highlight=Create+threads.#post1903404

RickoT said:
Actually I just finished fixing the PIM Backup issue too.. its kind of a known issue with 6.1 If you restore everything but your messaging DB. Clear your messaging DB in the messaging app. Terminate the messaging app process then run PIM restore... run the messaging app and let it rebuild the threads it seems to work.. Also make sure that you set your regional date settings to what your normally set it to BEFORE you run PIM backup... some people believe that this may also be the issue.... so process is...
1. Flash
2. Restore all of your data using PIM backup EXCEPT messages
3. Open messaging and clear your SMS boxes
4. Terminate the messaging application
5. Do your PIM Restore
6. Open mesaging
Worked for me!
1 more issue to go and thats the large menu font size!
here is the thread (and post) I found it on : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1903404&highlight=Create+threads.#post1903404
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Yup that only works 40% of the time for me.

Outgoing SMS saved in inbox

Hi,
I just discovered that all my outgoing SMS messages are stored in my inbox. and send items. This is a bit annoying. Did anyone find a solution to avoid this.
I should just be stored as send items.
Thanx in advance
Robert

Do your sent messages arrive to the destination number?
If not, I'd suggest to check your settings. Cause in that case there's a reason that they don't appear in sent items.

i believe that it is the threading feature of wm6.1. if you install advanced config and the diamond config file, you can turn it off.

Yes, the messages do arrive. I will try to turn the threading off. Thanx!

Try Diamontweak
Hi, I had the same problem and after installing Diamontweak that allows you to easily deactivate sms threading everything w

Try Diamontweak
Hi,
I had the same problem and after installing Diamontweak that allows you to easily deactivate sms or text threading everything was OK. This small program also allows you to tweak your Diamond with many other features.
Here's the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409540
Cheers and have a good day!

Guide to restoring threaded SMS

Since threaded sms arrive with WM6.1 it seems that it has been difficult to get PIM Backup to restore your messages properly threaded on a consistent basis. Now many people will advise you to just delete your sms, but if you are a person who likes to keep them (like myself) then that simply is not an acceptable option. Through a lot of trial and error i have arrived at a process that seems to work well and work consistantly across many roms. Below is a brief tutorial of the steps I follow in order to restore my sms messages using PIM Backup:
You will need Kaisertweak to follow these instructions, and as such i have attached the cab to this post. Please remember to donate the the developers who bring you all of this fine software as a sign of your appreciation for all that they do for you.
Perform the following steps:
1) Disable threading using Kaisertweaks.
2) Kill sms/mms process using task manager (tmail.exe)
3) Restore messages using PIM Backup
4) Open to see they were restored correctly (meaning the right number of messages are in the inbox/outbox)
5) Soft-reset your device.
6) Enable threading using Kaisertweaks.
7) Open sms/mms, if the inbox appears empty then messages start appearing then do nothing as the device is threading your messages. Just wait till it is done. If this is not happening then go to step 8.
8) Kill sms/mms process (tmail.exe) using task manager, and open sms/mms again. This time you should definitely see the message threading.
Please let me know if this works for you, or if you have any suggestions of what to add or how to make this post clearer (for suggestions i'd prefer them by PM)
***EDIT***
I have also found that PowerSMS does a great job of rethreading your SMS messages as well as PIMBackup, so if you have troubles getting this to work with PIMBackup, then try that program. I will outline the steps I followed:
1) Disable threading
2) Kill tmail.exe
3) Make Backup using PowerSMS
4) Flash new rom
5) Disable threaded SMS & kill tmail.exe
6) Restore SMS
7) Enable Threading
8) Leave the phone alone while it rethreads the messages, can take up to 10 minutes depending on how many messages you have. I restored over 3,000.
***UPDATE***
It has been reported that you do not need to disable threading if you are using PowerSMS. This means you can do the following:
1) Kill tmail.exe
2) Make Backup using PowerSMS
3) Flash new rom
4) Restore SMS
5) Leave the phone alone while it rethreads the messages, can take up to 10 minutes depending on how many messages you have.

Didn't try it yet, but thanks!

I have tried many of these methods, but restoring always put my sent messages first and my received messages after.
In the alternative, I recommend Jeyo SMS Backup as it restores threading properly without a hassle.

Nice guide mate, so obvious now you've posted it, why didn't I think of this
This method has also had limitted success: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1903404&postcount=749
I would add this to the PIM backup thread if I were you and maybe PM DotFred to get it on the first post. (Or get a mod to do it if they can)
A Couple of things...
Where is the aformentioned attachment?
What is the SMS/MMS process, TMail.exe I assume?
Dave

DaveShaw said:
Nice guide mate, so obvious now you've posted it, why didn't I think of this
This method has also had limitted success: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1903404&postcount=749
I would add this to the PIM backup thread if I were you and maybe PM DotFred to get it on the first post. (Or get a mod to do it if they can)
A Couple of things...
Where is the aformentioned attachment?
What is the SMS/MMS process, TMail.exe I assume?
Dave
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Thanks for the suggestions, i will post it there, and PM dotfred. Also i have updated the first post to specify tmail.exe, and added the cab.

Just wanted to say that I tried this method and it worked perfectly
Had around 1500 text messages, so it took about 10-15 minutes on the new rom to load them all back into the threaded sms, but finally all was good again
Thanks!

Lennart88 said:
Just wanted to say that I tried this method and it worked perfectly
Had around 1500 text messages, so it took about 10-15 minutes on the new rom to load them all back into the threaded sms, but finally all was good again
Thanks!
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Thank you for the feedback. I also have 1500+ sms at any given time so i was glad to find a method that finally worked as well.

Seems like it's working.
But with the non-threaded sms i can see the time and date on each text message.
In the threaded sms style, you can only see the time from the day you're on. Older text messages just have the date.
Is there a fix for this ?

Viper® said:
Seems like it's working.
But with the non-threaded sms i can see the time and date on each text message.
In the threaded sms style, you can only see the time from the day you're on. Older text messages just have the date.
Is there a fix for this ?
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There should be a way, because the information is still there, somewhere. I know, because I use Extreme Text, which is just a nicer interface for doing threaded text messaging (uses the same data, doesn't disturb normal Messaging program) - and all the times of day are there for all messages going back several months.

Yeah,
If you disable threaded sms and you restore all your text messages you still have the dates and times, it's just not shown in the default threaded.

Great thread pal. Tried it and worked perfectly. Always had problems restoring messages and the dates and times always were distorted....Not anymore though. Thanks

I'm glad this is helping people out. Thank you all for your confirmations.

Just a quick note, this worked for me as well using PIMBackup. I used Advanced Config instead of KaiserTweak. Such a simple solution, but I'm glad you thought of it.

worked perfectly.....
thanks for the share

for some reason my MMS msgs from windows 5 would not transfer :/ on some of the roms i had it work some how, but i tried to create a "MMS" account with fake email stuff and set it to manual so it would not try to get info or download and it seems to have fooled it, for a sec, you see the subject and the size of the file but when you open them they are blank :/
im wondering if there is any way to move them outside of that MMS account to the real sms/mms folder?
is there any way to read the pimbackup in desktop computer and extract those msgs?
when i mean it doesnt work it simply says during restore process that the MMS account does not exist and all files will be ignored

scotchua said:
Since threaded sms arrive with WM6.1 it seems that it has been difficult to get PIM Backup to restore your messages properly threaded on a consistent basis. Now many people will advise you to just delete your sms, but if you are a person who likes to keep them (like myself) then that simply is not an acceptable option. Through a lot of trial and error i have arrived at a process that seems to work well and work consistantly across many roms. Below is a brief tutorial of the steps I follow in order to restore my sms messages using PIM Backup:
You will need Kaisertweak to follow these instructions, and as such i have attached the cab to this post. Please remember to donate the the developers who bring you all of this fine software as a sign of your appreciation for all that they do for you.
Perform the following steps:
1) Disable threading using Kaisertweaks.
2) Kill sms/mms process using task manager (tmail.exe)
3) Restore messages using PIM Backup
4) Open to see they were restored correctly (meaning the right number of messages are in the inbox/outbox)
5) Soft-reset your device.
6) Enable threading using Kaisertweaks.
7) Open sms/mms, if the inbox appears empty then messages start appearing then do nothing as the device is threading your messages. Just wait till it is done. If this is not happening then go to step 8.
8) Kill sms/mms process (tmail.exe) using task manager, and open sms/mms again. This time you should definitely see the message threading.
Please let me know if this works for you, or if you have any suggestions of what to add or how to make this post clearer (for suggestions i'd prefer them by PM)
***EDIT***
I have also found that PowerSMS does a great job of rethreading your SMS messages as well as PIMBackup, so if you have troubles getting this to work with PIMBackup, then try that program. I will outline the steps I followed:
1) Disable threading
2) Kill tmail.exe
3) Make Backup using PowerSMS
4) Flash new rom
5) Disable threaded SMS & kill tmail.exe
6) Restore SMS
7) Enable Threading
8) Leave the phone alone while it rethreads the messages, can take up to 10 minutes depending on how many messages you have. I restored over 3,000.
***UPDATE***
It has been reported that you do not need to disable threading if you are using PowerSMS. This means you can do the following:
1) Kill tmail.exe
2) Make Backup using PowerSMS
3) Flash new rom
4) Restore SMS
5) Leave the phone alone while it rethreads the messages, can take up to 10 minutes depending on how many messages you have.
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this seem like an excellent thread. however i am havign a few problems. when i do PIM restore, it says it had retreived about over 4000 files. after restore i check my messages. most, if not, all of them r just messages that i have sent. i have waited over an hour and none of the messages i got from my friends are showing up. how ever, i see in the preview the first 100 text that are from my friends but not in the threaded
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ok it seems that i have got all the text messages on the phone. however, the order is all off. some of them shows the recieved messages before all of my sent ones, and some of them vice versa. some of them has the dates going b ackwards. can someone help me on this?

anyone? =[

The way I do it is very simple and has worked every time across multiple hard-resets. The key is to do all your backup and restoring in CLASSIC mode, not THREADED mode.
1) Set text messaging from threaded to classic
2) PPCPimBackup all text messaging
3) Perform hard-reset
4) Set text messaging from threaded to classic AGAIN after hard-reset
5) Restore PPCPimBackup
6) Set text messaging back to threaded!
I have only tried this on my Touch Pro but it has worked multiple times. If you skip any step when going from threaded to classic you get the problem where the threaded messages are all out of order. Also if you receive new un-backed up messages after the hard reset the restore will work as long as you configure text messaging to classic before restoring.

When restoring sms with more then 4000 it appears that the really long ones don't rethread correctly.. all the others will but the ones with a lot loads the received first followed by all the sent.. is there a fix for this?

Hey guys, I've got a problem.
So I made a PIMbackup of all my sms's. I then flashed my phone to another ROM and tried restoring the sms's. Didn't seem to work properly, so I then hard reset the phone and disabled SMS threading. I then restored the texts from the backup file, and then re-enabled threading.
Now, all the texts are there, however, they're pretty much sorted according to date.
For example, if I had a sms convo of about 5 msgs back and forth between a friend and I, it's sorted by that day where it has all of their messages first (incoming) and then my messages after (outgoing).
So they are threaded, but they're split into incoming then outgoing for each day per person.
Does anyone know how to fix this? It doesn't seem to be threading properly...does anyone have or had a similar problem? Thanks!
BiGaSiF

[HELP] Phantom sms ....

Regardless of all efforts to remove my phantom sms (manilla showing 1 sms recieved even though there isnt any) its still there...
Things ive tried :
1. SK Tools remove all messages, cache.... all
2. delete manually from inbox, all sent and recieved sms, mms, emails
3. pim manager, to backup and restore, setting to overwrite all
Isnt there anyone with a solution to this? a database file to delete or something?
regards
Cosmodk

Can't open SMS in Threaded SMS

Hi all..
I've tried searching to no avail.
Only today I can't seem to open any SMS in Threaded SMS mode. Whenever I tried to use Reply or Open any sms, nothing happens.
After disabling Threaded SMS, I'm able to open any SMS.
Any1 encounter such problems before?
I'm using PDA Corner V19 (I think) Win 6.1.
Had no problems for so many mths using the ROM.
Thanks in advance.

just an update of what I did before the problems started:
think problem started when I edited threaded_sms.htm to delete the word count as per what I'd read from http://www.fuzemobility.com/page/4/
here's part of the post...
So you can do this tweak in one of two ways. You can overwrite the file thread_sms.htm with bradyonly’s file (or if you’re using 6.5 then use hibby50’s) or you can just do it yourself. The DIY method is pretty simple. Just open up thread_sms.htm (you can copy this file to your desktop and open it in notepad or if you’re using Total Commander locate the file and then press the pen/paper icon at the bottom and it will open in notepad on your phone). Then locate the line that begins “<Inbox: content id=”COMPSESUBJECT” width=”98%”… and delete the single word “count” from that line then hit ‘save’ (or if you used your PC then overwrite the file) and soft reset your phone. And you’re done.
I did make a copy of the original threaded_sms.htm file. Once my threaded sms had problems, I had copied back the original file.
But it still didn't work...

i have problem with my message is can't open new message anh reply
So. how do it fixing?

I had the same problem few days ago.. I received two sms and after them I had immediatelly received an mms, so all of the previous sms were gone and the mms was looking as the first message in the conversation. But there were still two unread messages.. I wasn´t able to get to them until I turned off threaded sms via registry.. I didn´t know what to do, so I had to do HR

I am having the same issue on a Niki 100, anyone with any idea of the solution?
I hadn't editied anything, just flashed the ROM and I can only use SMS in non-threaded mode.
DT

I miss having threaded sms haha
cos it's a good way to keep track of my sms chat conversations wif my contacts

oriki said:
I miss having threaded sms haha
cos it's a good way to keep track of my sms chat conversations wif my contacts
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If you miss it that much hard-reset is the solution.