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Technical : SMS Managed Folder (Help Appreciated)

Hi fellow forumers, I'm new here. Pardon me if this isn't the right place to post technical question.
Just got my Diamond for a couple of days. I've a problem that some Diamond-ers might face, and I can't seem to find the solution anywhere else.
By going to Message/Menu/Tools/Manage Folder...
I'm suppose to be able to select that option and create a new folder to store my smses by default. But, apparently, the said option is being disable (greyed out) for some unknown reason.
Does any kind souls here have solutions to this? Do I need to do tweaking to enable this?

I think if I am not wrong, WM6.1 SMS is default Threaded Mode, that is you see all sms from same person in 1 view. In threaded mode, you cannot create sub-folder.
Search in this forum, there is an apps which able to switch your sms between threaded and normal (not threaded and single sms like WM5 and WM6). This apps need .netcf v3.5. I think in normal mode, you can create sub-folder. After that you can switch it back to threaded mode.
Try and let us know.

Solution
Thanks CWKJ for your solution. As what you stated, the "manage folder..." option will not be available if it is in threaded sms mode.
I tweaked the registery to make it in normal sms mode and it is enabled.
Here is how it is done:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings]
"SMSAvailable"=dword:1
Setting Value to 0 will give you normal SMS inbox
Setting Value to 1 will give you threaded SMS inbox
Viola. The option is enabled. Hope this help new Diamond users as well.
Cheerios!

Janch said:
Thanks CWKJ for your solution. As what you stated, the "manage folder..." option will not be available if it is in threaded sms mode.
I tweaked the registery to make it in normal sms mode and it is enabled.
Here is how it is done:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings]
"SMSAvailable"=dword:1
Setting Value to 0 will give you normal SMS inbox
Setting Value to 1 will give you threaded SMS inbox
Viola. The option is enabled. Hope this help new Diamond users as well.
Cheerios!
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With those settings you will stop the notification too. Use search for more advanced regsettings (I know they were posted in the Prophet WM6 section) or use ModeSMS.

You using Registry tweak.
Use the Apps as I have suggested. Search harder. Its somewhere in the forum.

I tried ModeSms, but the programme didn't work somehow as the programme screen was totally distorted.
I tried this method instead and it worked with notifications and disable threaded inbox.
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings\OEM\SMSInbox
ThreadingDisabled Value=0 (threaded) or 1 (single)
with reference to:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2086458&postcount=1
Hope this helped other users as well =)

Strange, I make a search from here, cannot find, but search via Google can direct me to here.
Search for "SMS Tweaker V1.5" you will find the working version.

Thanx for Help
Janch said:
Thanks CWKJ for your solution. As what you stated, the "manage folder..." option will not be available if it is in threaded sms mode.
I tweaked the registery to make it in normal sms mode and it is enabled.
Here is how it is done:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings]
"SMSAvailable"=dword:1
Setting Value to 0 will give you normal SMS inbox
Setting Value to 1 will give you threaded SMS inbox
Viola. The option is enabled. Hope this help new Diamond users as well.
Cheerios!
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can u please tell me how can i access [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings]
"SMSAvailable"=dword:1
to change it, i mean how to find registry...

Threaded SMS problem

Hi guys,
I got a new Diamond to replace my old Trinity.
I backed up and restored everythiong using PIMBackup, but after restoring to Diamond everything is a mess. In the Inbox folder I have my received messages threaded, but all the outgoing messages are in the Sent items folder non threaded. Anyone got a solution for this problem?
I am using Swtos latest rom 1.6
Thanks in advance!
gus

PIMBackup does not restore Threaded SMS.
Better solution would have been something like Jeyo Mobile Companion.

Techno-Freak said:
PIMBackup does not restore Threaded SMS.
Better solution would have been something like Jeyo Mobile Companion.
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Sorry Techno-Freak, but PIMBackup DOES WORK with restoring sms and ALSO Threaded sms...!! at least...it's working perfectly for mine....
2Gus77
about your problem....I never had any trouble caused by PIMBackup...what you can do....give it another try:
1. when you have the option to choose which account and folders to restore, I usually select only my inbox and untick the rest (you can have a look for yourself whatever you prefer)
2. At the restore options menu choose for this option: 'Delete all existing messages from the database'
Hope this works for you...please let me know
Greetzz Jeroen

Hi again guys,
Thank you very much for your replies.
I tried backing upo only the Inbox folder from the Trinity and restoring it to the Diamond using PIMBackup, but only the incoming messages were restored, so I couldn't test the threading.
I also used Mobile Companion to backup and restore all the messages but I still have the same problem. The threading works only for the incoming messages and the sent messages are stored in the sent items folder without threading. I tried it on different ROMS but the results were the same. :-(
Any other idea?
gus

I think this is normal behaviour for the Diamond. Inbox is the only folder that displays threaded (including some sent messages) and all the other folders appear normal unthreaded.
Seems logical to me, you would only visit the other folders if you were looking for a specific individual item.

PIMBackup does NOT restore threaded sms, you have to set it up awkwardly prior to backing up to revert to threaded sms however and this is how you do it:
1. Turn off threaded sms
2. make the PIMBackup
3. on the new ROM, turn off threading
4. restore PIMBackup
5. enable threading again

Addicteddddd said:
PIMBackup does NOT restore threaded sms, you have to set it up awkwardly prior to backing up to revert to threaded sms however and this is how you do it:
1. Turn off threaded sms
2. make the PIMBackup
3. on the new ROM, turn off threading
4. restore PIMBackup
5. enable threading again
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Worked perfectly!!! Thank you very much!

How do you disable/enable threaded SMS?
i have Panosha ROM, and it is not threaded, do i need a cab to make it threaded?
Cheers,

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Setting s\OEM\SMSInboxThreadingDisabled
DWORD
value set to 1.
You have to create the OEM folder yourself but apart from that it seems to work okay.

Got it from another thread:
Since threaded sms arrive with WM6.1 it seems that it has been difficult to get PIM Backup to restore your messages properly threaded on a consistent basis. Now many people will advise you to just delete your sms, but if you are a person who likes to keep them (like myself) then that simply is not an acceptable option. Through a lot of trial and error i have arrived at a process that seems to work well and work consistantly across many roms. Below is a brief tutorial of the steps I follow in order to restore my sms messages using PIM Backup:
You will need Kaisertweak to follow these instructions, and as such i have attached the cab to this post. Please remember to donate the the developers who bring you all of this fine software as a sign of your appreciation for all that they do for you.
Perform the following steps:
1) Disable threading using Kaisertweaks.
2) Kill sms/mms process using task manager (tmail.exe)
3) Restore messages using PIM Backup
4) Open to see they were restored correctly (meaning the right number of messages are in the inbox/outbox)
5) Soft-reset your device.
6) Enable threading using Kaisertweaks.
7) Open sms/mms, if the inbox appears empty then messages start appearing then do nothing as the device is threading your messages. Just wait till it is done. If this is not happening then go to step 8.
8) Kill sms/mms process (tmail.exe) using task manager, and open sms/mms again. This time you should definitely see the message threading.
Please let me know if this works for you, or if you have any suggestions of what to add or how to make this post clearer (for suggestions i'd prefer them by PM)
***EDIT***
I have also found that PowerSMS does a great job of rethreading your SMS messages as well as PIMBackup, so if you have troubles getting this to work with PIMBackup, then try that program. I will outline the steps I followed:
1) Disable threading
2) Kill tmail.exe
3) Make Backup using PowerSMS
4) Flash new rom
5) Disable threaded SMS & kill tmail.exe
6) Restore SMS
7) Enable Threading
8) Leave the phone alone while it rethreads the messages, can take up to 10 minutes depending on how many messages you have. I restored over 3,000.
***UPDATE***
It has been reported that you do not need to disable threading if you are using PowerSMS. This means you can do the following:
1) Kill tmail.exe
2) Make Backup using PowerSMS
3) Flash new rom
4) Restore SMS
5) Leave the phone alone while it rethreads the messages, can take up to 10 minutes depending on how many messages you have.
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You don't need to turn off threaded sms before backup
I did a backup of my SMS before reading this thread so hadn't turned off threaded sms before doing it. It doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is you disable threading before doing the restore and then turn it back on afterwards. Seems to be ok for me. Also I didn't have to do any soft resets or anything. I just had to kill tmail.exe before disabling and re-enabling.
Cheers,
Ashley

That did it for me too, disable, restore, enable.
Even without killing tmail.exe
Under WM6.5
Thanx!

Hey guys, I've got a problem.
So I made a PIMbackup of all my sms's. I then flashed my phone to another ROM and tried restoring the sms's. Didn't seem to work properly, so I then hard reset the phone and disabled SMS threading. I then restored the texts from the backup file, and then re-enabled threading.
Now, all the texts are there, however, they're pretty much sorted according to date.
For example, if I had a sms convo of about 5 msgs back and forth between a friend and I, it's sorted by that day where it has all of their messages first (incoming) and then my messages after (outgoing).
So they are threaded, but they're split into incoming then outgoing for each day per person.
Does anyone know how to fix this? It doesn't seem to be threading properly...does anyone have or had a similar problem? Thanks!

i think you have to delete every sms...then (with new messages) you can see SMS threading as default..

[REQ]Move incoming/outgoing SMS

Hi All,
I am using Indian version of HTC Touch Diamond (2G Version).
I want to filter SMS which are received or sent to particular contact to be moved to one folder. Does anybody have any idea about this?
I have tried SMSOrganizer trial but it crashed 2 times and i had missed my lots of sms, also it was not working fine.
Or simply can I configure like; SMS received from particular contact does not appear on manila 3d app??
Please advice me..
Thanks,
Krups

Nobody having any idea??

Disable "Thread SMS" and then try to use SMSOrganizer again.

I have already disabled SMS threading.. I have downloaded SMSOrganizer trial version.. but it crashes many times... any solution????

Any Alternatives??
Any light weight application to filter incoming SMS for HTC Diamond??

think you will struggle to do this with TF3D handlingling your texts
Therefore I suggest you switch off threaded sms, use TF3D config to remove text messaging from the TF3D interface
Then use the various sms tools - easyhelpers sms security used to work well on my Artemis
Because I like TF3D, I haven't used any such program on my diamond

SMS/Mail confirmation alert

Just got a new diamond here in Tokyo connected the Softbank network.
It seems whenever I send out an email via Outlook/SMS/S! Mail(Service that allows SMS-like mail to be sent to regular email accounts or other cellphone providers...most people use it here in Japan) I get a "Your mail has been successfully sent" email confirmation everytime I send out a mail. For someone who uses all three services frequently, it tends to get a little annoying
I've downloaded many tweaks and modification applications for the diamond but it seems I'm still not able to find the workaround...
Does anyone know the cure for this or is this a known problem?

Lavish P said:
Just got a new diamond here in Tokyo connected the Softbank network.
It seems whenever I send out an email via Outlook/SMS/S! Mail(Service that allows SMS-like mail to be sent to regular email accounts or other cellphone providers...most people use it here in Japan) I get a "Your mail has been successfully sent" email confirmation everytime I send out a mail. For someone who uses all three services frequently, it tends to get a little annoying
I've downloaded many tweaks and modification applications for the diamond but it seems I'm still not able to find the workaround...
Does anyone know the cure for this or is this a known problem?
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This little quirk bothers me too because I want to hit send and then lock the device; unfortunately, when I hit send and lock the device I get a bunch of notifications and the device unlocks itself and random uttones get pressed as its in my pocket.
It may be best to load a WWE rom and sort out the smail using mmslite. Getting JP input working however is another issue.
For the problem with the notifications in softbank's arcsoft mail app, I wonder if there is a registry fix we can do.

solution for successful sent notification(at least for text)
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-diamondpro-tweak.html
Go to messages, and disable text messages notifications.

Kevbodian, mjz147,
Thanks, I really appriciate your quick response!!
I checked out that Diamond tweak app and its one hell of an applicaiton!
It seems though, when I disabled the text message notification and soft reset, im still getting those alerts after sending MMS/SMS emails.
Is there something wrong with my device or I may have to do some manual modifications via registry? :\

Tried to just disable em in Windows?
Start/Messaging/Menu/Tools/Options/SMS MMS
There you can disable notifications. Atleast for SMS messages for me it works.

kosherpig said:
Tried to just disable em in Windows?
Start/Messaging/Menu/Tools/Options/SMS MMS
There you can disable notifications. Atleast for SMS messages for me it works.
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I guess I have bad luck when it comes to disabling notification via Windows.
Unlike the US version, my phone doesnt have just one central location for mail but two (Outlook application - used for PC email & SoftBank Mail - used for SMS and MMS...)
So when I looked under the option menu in Outlook tools, I wasnt able to find any SMS/MMS options...
Im sure theres a registry hack that can be used...im not so sure why the diamond tweak app could apply changes to everything except the "turn off notifications" option though...

Was anyone able to solve this issue?

Did you guys try Advanced Config v3.3?
It has a section devoted to messages tweaks.
It does have a tweak that disables notifications.
Greets.

Sergio PC said:
Did you guys try Advanced Config v3.3?
It has a section devoted to messages tweaks.
It does have a tweak that disables notifications.
Greets.
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I currently have 3.3 installed and have used it to disable/enable many features on my Diamond. But it seems after I disable the 'SMS delivery notification' and 'SMS sent notification" fields (and soft reboot), it is still showing the sent notifications after sms/s!mail is sent...
As Kevbodian was saying, maybe there is a special reg hack that needs to be done under softbank's arcsoft mail app.

could somebody figure out what change is made when that notification is turned off and turn this into a cab file? the only thing that bothers me is the sound. i dont mind the bubble or the little icon on the top telling me that my sms is sent. thanks

this one is simple and right to the point install it and it doesnt give you the message, you dont have tons of menus to navigate through just that install
also i am simply reposting this app i did not develop it or design it credit goes where credit is due

so this turns off the sound AND the notifications also? thanks

yep no sound and no pop up message after sending one
i hope it helps

almost tempted to figure out how cab files work (arent they just reg edits?) and maybe try to see if i can change it myself. i like having the notifications (bubble and little icon on the top) but the sound can be annoying at times,
Edit1: also i just installed advanced config 3.3 and the notification thing works for me.
Edit2: also search "kraiser tweak" and you will find it has settings for this. a lot of settings actually for just the thing you are talking about. now we just need to find the edits in the registry because i dont really like having 2 configuration programs on my phone. (advance config, and kraiser tweak)
Edit3: ok i found this on the wiki....Disable SMS Sent Notification
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings] Set SMSNoSentMsg to 1
.....so does this mean if it was changed to a 2,3,or 4 that would change the action of it? im really trying to look into this.....if you cant tell haha

Text message resend..? Help?

Is there any cab file out there for the AT&T tilt that would allow a message that can't be sent, due to no service, or receiving another text at the same time, ect... Is there any cab that would allow me a message resend button as opposed to having to open the drafts, open the text, send the text, open back up the inbox...?
If this doesn't exist, can anyone capable of writing code create me this hack? It would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced!

windows mobile 6.1 + "threaded" text messaging
if you are using a WinMo 6.1 ROM, threaded text messaging is enabled by default (if not enabled, use KaiserTweak to enable threaded messaging).
i clearly remember (because it has happened with me TWICE) that the threaded messaging view will display any unsent messages (within the thread) in RED color and will provide a clickable link labeled "Try again"...the function of the link is self explanatory
the combination of events you are talking about (sending a message exactly when receiving a message and/or a phone call) is RARE but it DOES happen...fortunately, i don't mind using the threaded messaging view and i get the resend link (in case of transmission failure for whatever reason) as a bonus
hope this helps...good luck!

It's not necessiarily rare to me as I text all the time, haha. I know what you're talking about, but I don't like threaded text messaging. It becomes slow and sluggish after a while. I highly appreciate the suggestion though!
Does anybody know of a program that would allow this tweak?

Quite some time since I used Arcsoft but didnt they have a resend feature (could be some of the later ed.)? Or am I wrong and it was a feature on 6.1? If it was on 6.1 you could still use it for just that by switching off treaded view.

I do have arcsoft MMS, but how would i go about using it to turn off threaded view SMS and keep the "try again" or resend button?

yeahmanitsme said:
I do have arcsoft MMS, but how would i go about using it to turn off threaded view SMS and keep the "try again" or resend button?
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Ok hold on, will make a cab for you.

Enjoy !
Raiisak`s En/Disable Treaded SMS

Thanks a ton for making that, but I have kaiser tweak and I am able to en/disable threaded SMS. Thanks tho.
Is there a cab that you could make me to add a popup window to my screen when a message is unable to send that simple let's me resend it instead of automatically move it to the drafts? This seems to happen alot seeing as I text alot. Thanks in advanced for anybody can help!

yeahmanitsme said:
Thanks a ton for making that, but I have kaiser tweak and I am able to en/disable threaded SMS. Thanks tho.
Is there a cab that you could make me to add a popup window to my screen when a message is unable to send that simple let's me resend it instead of automatically move it to the drafts? This seems to happen alot seeing as I text alot. Thanks in advanced for anybody can help!
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Reason I made the cab was to simply add on/off the treaded sms whitout making any change to the notification status for you by simply create this DWORD in youre reg:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings]
"SMSAvailable"=dword:00000000
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Arcsoft_MMS 5_0_31_81 w/ treaded ON had the function to ask if you wanted to resend sms/mms if failed. Try to install that and run my cab and see if the red text comes up comes if the sms fails to send. Chance are that this will solve much of youre problem, other than that I would recomend to try another radio if you have severe signal issues

Sorry for the stupid question but um when you say new radio... You mean....?

If you use custom rom they come whit variouse radio, not always will the given radio work smoothly in youre country and phone. I would read up on this tread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393182 and also the OP of the used rom to see if there is any recomended radio for youre phone or country. If none found I would ask in that tread. GL

Is there any way to auto resend a failed message? either for a certain time or an X amount of resends?. My phone constantly goes in and out of service. I dont want to have to keep my phone in my hand waiting for service to kick in then resend.