Database Develop

Tilt + Motorola S9 = Audio Skipping

I can barely play a podcast or song without it skipping around and sounding terrible. I’ve looked around for possible a2dp fixes, but cant seem to find anything that works. I tried the cab fix floating around, and it seemed to make it worse...
Anyone else having this issue, or know of a fix?
Ill even try a new ROM if need be. I’m current running the latest stock AT&T ROM at the moment.... haven’t tried any homebrew stuff on the tilt yet. I just broke open my old 8125 and installed WM6.1 with the touch flow cube... that was cool!

Don't use bluetooth headsets, but there is a fix for that in kaiserTweak as far as I remember. Besides, I've seen lots of threads about bluetooth issues here. You should search around.

DarkDvr said:
Don't use bluetooth headsets, but there is a fix for that in kaiserTweak as far as I remember. Besides, I've seen lots of threads about bluetooth issues here. You should search around.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow... Dont use one... Great idea... Thanks for the advice.
Im gunna go return my Tilt and grab one of those bag phones off eBay today. Screw technology....

I haven't had an issue streaming internet radio over my S9's, on the old or new ROM. There are some BT tweaks in advanced config though...
-Jay

You talking bout the advanced config in KaiserTweak? I just unlocked my tilt and installed Dutty's latest and it still does it...
What advanced config are you refering to?
EDIT:: I just noticed there was an advanced config in system settings on Dutty's... playing with the BT settings now... but even the call quality with the S9 is garbage...
Using radio 1.58.26.20

pittaman said:
You talking bout the advanced config in KaiserTweak? I just unlocked my tilt and installed Dutty's latest and it still does it...
What advanced config are you refering to?
EDIT:: I just noticed there was an advanced config in system settings on Dutty's... playing with the BT settings now... but even the call quality with the S9 is garbage...
Using radio 1.58.26.20
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Advanced config is a similar program to Kaiser Tweak. It is made by Shapp's. You mentioned that you saw it in your Dutty ROM. Dutty may have baked that Shapp's goodness right in...
-Jay

Bull****...Here's your problem
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike

mike19722 said:
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree. I wear mine to the gym. I stream internet radio over an HSDPA connection on my Tilt to the S9's. I can't stand when I forget to bring my S9's and I have to use a wired headset with an mp3 player. The wires really annoy me.
-Jay

mike19722 said:
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had my bitpool set at 20... Max 80... Everything else the same... Heard lower bit pool was better... haven’t tested your settings yet, but i did notice something strange. I paired the headset to my buddies laptop, and the audio worked fine after a few seconds...
Paired it back up with my phone, and as long as I’m not holing it in front of me (the phone), the audio was actually fine. Holding it in front of me, and having it gripped as if i was just holding it to hold it, covering up the majority of the phone, the audio sucked.... I placed it on the table in front of me, and off to the side, and the audio re-establishes a decent quality... really strange....
do the radio versions make a diff on the BT quality for a2dp? Should I try a different radio....?

pittaman said:
I had my bitpool set at 20... Max 80... Everything else the same... Heard lower bit pool was better... haven’t tested your settings yet, but i did notice something strange. I paired the headset to my buddies laptop, and the audio worked fine after a few seconds...
Paired it back up with my phone, and as long as I’m not holing it in front of me (the phone), the audio was actually fine. Holding it in front of me, and having it gripped as if i was just holding it to hold it, covering up the majority of the phone, the audio sucked.... I placed it on the table in front of me, and off to the side, and the audio re-establishes a decent quality... really strange....
do the radio versions make a diff on the BT quality for a2dp? Should I try a different radio....?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am sure you may have already tried this, but turning of WiFi eliminated this problem for me...Very annoying to be sure.

nomarhits400 said:
I am sure you may have already tried this, but turning of WiFi eliminated this problem for me...Very annoying to be sure.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Huh... didnt think about that.... although i usually have wifi off anyway.... ill double check
At least its more widespread than i thought.... is it just an A2DP issuie? it didnt seem to do it with a regular BT headset for talking.... and using the s9 for a conversation didnt seem to suffer the same issuie either... just sterio audio...

Still Having issues
Wireless is off and bit pool is down to 64 but I still have the "skipping" issue about 3 or 4 times a song

Hmmm
Yeah i have the settings set like suggested, but still have the issue when the device is obstructed.... I suppose thats just the nature of the beast. Not sure what else to do...
Will a different radio version provide different bluetooth performance?

Hate to say this, but I bought some S9's yesterday and they seem to be great! I'm using the default settings for A2DP.
However, I can see that there might be issues if the phone is directly infront of your head, since the transmitter and the receiver would have your head between them. Doesn't bode well for having the phone in your pocket and using the controls on the headphones does it! I'll see how they fare over the week with normal usage and then see if I'm still pleased!

Steve-C said:
Hate to say this, but I bought some S9's yesterday and they seem to be great! I'm using the default settings for A2DP.
However, I can see that there might be issues if the phone is directly infront of your head, since the transmitter and the receiver would have your head between them. Doesn't bode well for having the phone in your pocket and using the controls on the headphones does it! I'll see how they fare over the week with normal usage and then see if I'm still pleased!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I found some posts saying to delete the reg keys involving min and max bitpool, and that seemed to help somewhat... and it seem slike after the first bit of skippage, it seems to be fine.... all this and I havent had time to hit the gym to really try it out yet lol... Ill report back when I know more real world testing... on my desk seemed fine...

S9's are just crap. I have a set, and I hate mine, due to the constant interruptions unless there is direct line of sight between the transmitter and the receiver, and the pressure they put on my ears while still being very loose at the same time.
Not recommended.
Surur

Well, here is the report back! I'm still pleased. Tonight I gave them a real work out streaming audio through WMP since it's the biggest memory hog, surfing the net using Opera Mobile via a WiFi connection, logged into Skype and MSN and occasionally sending/receiving SMS. There was one heck of a lag whilst sliding the keyboard out. i could type SMS, but it took a few seconds for the screen to catch up. Im not dissapointed since all the other apps were running in the background at the time and would have all been reformatting for the switch to landscape mode. However, the S9's were perfect. No jumping, skipping, or lagging at any point, and I could use the headset audio controls without delay no matter what else was being done to the phone.
All in all, a great set of headphones and I reckon will give me 5 days of use based on around 4hours a day of music use. However the Kaiser is only just lasting a day now I'm using approx 5hours of the screen being constantly on, with 3 hours being WiFi use, and 4 being streaming music. Bigger battery time and larger memory card me thinks! (Larger card, cos I want to store more music than a 2GB card will let me!)

Hey guys the problem isn't totally the Tilt's fault. Playing with the Tilt's BT settings will make it a bit better, the real issue is in the S9. The BT radio is not very strong. If you review the S9 manual it will show that the phone has to be put into the "optimized zone' of the body, which is basically above the waist and below the neck and preferably to the left or right side of the body. Yes I know it's BT and it should go 30 feet and does well (not quite 30 feet) as long as the device is not right up next to something, like your body. Also, make sure nothing is covering the back bar of the S9. i can use my hand to cover the bar (where the radio is) and I will get drops immediately. i found this out because the first day I tried to use the S9 I had a jacket with a big thick collar. I would get skips left and right. Once I moved the device to the "optimized location" and made sure the s9 wasn't obstructed then I got good signal.
I think the s9 is great for workouts where you can leave your Tilt sitting on the bench, then you can go without any issue. As long as you don't throw your sweat towel over the Tilt.

smittyofdhs said:
Hey guys the problem isn't totally the Tilt's fault. Playing with the Tilt's BT settings will make it a bit better, the real issue is in the S9. The BT radio is not very strong. If you review the S9 manual it will show that the phone has to be put into the "optimized zone' of the body, which is basically above the waist and below the neck and preferably to the left or right side of the body. Yes I know it's BT and it should go 30 feet and does well (not quite 30 feet) as long as the device is not right up next to something, like your body. Also, make sure nothing is covering the back bar of the S9. i can use my hand to cover the bar (where the radio is) and I will get drops immediately. i found this out because the first day I tried to use the S9 I had a jacket with a big thick collar. I would get skips left and right. Once I moved the device to the "optimized location" and made sure the s9 wasn't obstructed then I got good signal.
I think the s9 is great for workouts where you can leave your Tilt sitting on the bench, then you can go without any issue. As long as you don't throw your sweat towel over the Tilt.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's all I've ever used the S9's for is going to the gym. I usually either have the Tilt in the cupholder of the treadmill, or otherwise I have it on the floor at my feet while I'm using another piece of equipment. Never had any problems with it.
-Jay

For what it's worth, I own both a pair of S9's and a pair of Motorola HT820's. As much as I love the size and styling of the S9's, they do not hold a candle to the HT820's.
As mentioned in previous posts, I believe that the BT antenna on the S9's is extremely weak, and perhaps they lack a large buffer for streamed audio? What leads me to suspect this is that when using my HT820's, I can go a long distance from my device without skipping or interruption, even having music play on for a few seconds after going outside of what I would reasonably think their range would be.
With my S9's, all I need to do is turn my head the wrong way to have skipping.
If I was buying again, I would never spend money on the S9 headset again. Try as you might, tweaking out out device settings won't really fix your reception.
Anyhow, that's my $0.02

Does Diamond Bluetooth suck or is it my HF?

I recently got a Jabra BT3030 for use as a HF and possibly music player. The only other choice in the shop was the SE DS200, so I thought meh the Jabra is a little cheaper and probably as good.
The HF works just fine: simple connection, buttons all work and people can hear me talking just fine. The only issue being the quirky music/volume after turning it off, but its no big deal.
What's wrong is the HORRIBLE, ABYSMAL, DOWNRIGHT UGLY sound output. There is a constant hissing in the background, its like a slightly offset radio station. I may not be an audiophile but every test/review I've read of this including user impressions say that the quality is "good", some even claim its "like wired earbuds". I dont call this good at all and its as far away from wired it can be.
However I've been unable to test it in another BT phone (wont work on my old SE K600i) as my main suspect is the phone, not the Jabra.
Unless of course, BT handsfree on the Diamond is meant to hiss? Or is the Jabra actually this bad quality? Anyone know that's used far more BT than me, as the Jabra is.. well, the only one?

I own a Anycom BH-100 and it shows constant hissing as soon as connected to any device (PC USB dongle, HTC Magician / Hermes / Diamond).
Good thing is, when the music plays it's nearly gone ( = can't hear it anymore).

Hm, I suppose it bluetooth really is that bad. It hisses when I try to connect to my HP portable too.

My BT-headset gives a rather friendly quality. No hissing whatsoever, but it does have a little second of lag very occasionally. Much better than my old Nokia 6300, in any case.

So you wanna tell us, that you don't experience any difference between your headset being switched totally off and being on but no actual music playing?

3030 user here.I'd described the hissing present but not so much bothering. Not that I have much BT HF experience before, used entry level Jabra BT135 with N6120c. There I'd say was little bit of less hissing.

tha_rami said:
My BT-headset gives a rather friendly quality. No hissing whatsoever, but it does have a little second of lag very occasionally. Much better than my old Nokia 6300, in any case.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well lag/slight stuttering I would understand since it is wireless, but this is a constant background hiss independant of any lag.

Well f**k me sideways on a wheelbarrow!
The Diamond is not at fault at all. Its the Jabra that STINKS.
I tested a DS200 here at work at its got nothing of the hiss on the 3030. On the 3030, I clearly hear when its activated (*ELECTRONIC CLICK*hsssssssssss...) and likewise when it goes to sleep. On the Sony, I hear *nothing*. Its utterly silent. Well, aside from the music.
I'm getting this exchanged ASAP. And to think I was blaiming the Diamond

no problem with my diamond!. excellent quality both with my stereo headphones playing music or with car BT device. the connection is instantaneous and no background noises.
i must be lucky...lol. i have no lag with iGO8, my camera is taking good pictures and generally speaking i have nothing to complain about i am embarrassed...feeling left out

I thought I'd resurect my thread with an update... It appears that its NOT the Jabra at fault. I got it exchanged for a new one (the store didnt have a DS-200 at this time) and my conclusions stands at this:
- Listening closer to the Diamonds top speaker (like putting my ear to it, not good to do lol), it has the exact same type of noise. Its just that the volume of sound is so much greater its immiedietly drowned out. In other words, the Diamond behaves like this.
- Listening closer to the Diamonds package wire HF, it once again has the exact same type of noise, but here it is considerably lower and you really have to listen hard to it to hear: its not really noticable during playback even on lower volumes. So once again, this is how the Diamond sounds.
- The Jabra 3030 exaggerate the noise 10x, hence why its so annoying and with poor quality. Listening on low volume is drowned out by noise.
I got to see if I can try my buddies DS-200 again, listen closer this time... I'm starting to suspect that its a matter of how good the signal processing is on the Jabra, due to the Diamond sending out a noisy signal. If the DS-200 handle audio like the wired HF (same behaviour, much less noise), then its obviously "as good as it gets".

Sounds to me like there's something wrong with your Diamond, I can't hear any hissing through mine with the included (wired) headset or from the speaker on the device.

poedgirl said:
Sounds to me like there's something wrong with your Diamond, I can't hear any hissing through mine with the included (wired) headset or from the speaker on the device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I suppose that's possible... But did you listen real close? I cant hear the noise from the speaker unless I stick my ear to it and the wired noise is very subtle, unnoticable during playback. Maybe I just got sensitive ears
I have tried the DS-200 again and got a background noise level that's much closer to the wired level, though a little notch higher. And its far, far lower than the Jabra. In particular, the electronic sound on turn on/off is not that noticable while the Jabra make my ear twitch.

murklor said:
I recently got a Jabra BT3030 for use as a HF and possibly music player. The only other choice in the shop was the SE DS200, so I thought meh the Jabra is a little cheaper and probably as good.
The HF works just fine: simple connection, buttons all work and people can hear me talking just fine. The only issue being the quirky music/volume after turning it off, but its no big deal.
What's wrong is the HORRIBLE, ABYSMAL, DOWNRIGHT UGLY sound output. There is a constant hissing in the background, its like a slightly offset radio station. I may not be an audiophile but every test/review I've read of this including user impressions say that the quality is "good", some even claim its "like wired earbuds". I dont call this good at all and its as far away from wired it can be.
However I've been unable to test it in another BT phone (wont work on my old SE K600i) as my main suspect is the phone, not the Jabra.
Unless of course, BT handsfree on the Diamond is meant to hiss? Or is the Jabra actually this bad quality? Anyone know that's used far more BT than me, as the Jabra is.. well, the only one?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have a Jabra BT3030 and it works just fine in fact its perfect... Are you using a stock rom by anychance... if so what version...? you may want to use a cooked rom with the latest O/S.. as this does solve alot of BT problems...!

I am using the latest official (1.93 I believe it is). I dont quite see how a cooked rom will change the bluetooth performance of the handsfree (as a sidenote, I have tested removing those two bluetooth variables in the registry that according to another site would vastly improve quality: it did absolutely nothing)... But granted, I may just try it tonight if I ever do figure out which one to use, lol.

Bluetooth (stereo) performance

Not quite the "5min music lag" issue, but seems to be BT problem -
When hooking up the Moto S9 or Sony DR-BT22 headphones, the Diamond seems to have a problem streaming music to them. It stutters often (erratically but on average every few seconds), and depending where I place the phone it loses contact even though it's only parts of my body in the way.
Now, I'm not made of lead, so this shouldn't be an issue. Indeed on the Kaiser - that huge monster of a phone ;-) - it isn't, so what's wrong with the BT on the damn Diamond?
I've tried the 25.05 and 25.18 radios and same effect.
Anyone else having this annoying issue? I had to send the Motos back because they were sh1te unless I held the phone behind my head! (The suplier said the unit wasn't faulty)
Frustrated Ferg.

[Q] Buggy, Choppy Bluetooth

So I love the phone. I have a TMO-US HTC One with baseband 4A.17.3250.14_10.39.1150.o4L with Android 4.3 (thanks Android Revolution). My problem has been haunting me for some time. Bluetooth Audio to my headphones is choppy:
-When I put the phone in my pocket it gets choppy and skips. Reading up on this I read somewhere that wifi may be the interference culprit. It's the same with or without the wifi on.
-So then I guessied it might be pocket. It certainly is worse in the pocket, but by shaking the phone I do get some chopiness, not as bad.
Could bluetooth have such a limited range that it gets choppy when I put it in my pocket?
Why does shaking the phone make the bluetooth cut out?
Any suggestions for fixes?

i have been having the same issue lately. Listening to audio books in the car though the bluetooth audio has become a real pain. Choppy, skips, and jumps. But as soon as i grab the phone and pull it closer to the radio it seems to smooth it self out. Now i dont know if thats just a coincidence or not.

That happens to me as well in my car. I noticed if I have data on and it's syncing the sound goes to crap.
Or at least I assume so. This only happened after upgrading to 4.3 last month.

Bluetooth Quality & Range

Hello,
I am new to this community so please don't be to harsh on me if somebody allready asked this question (Didn't find anything using the search though).
I own a 2015 P8 lite, using the Basic 608 Rom right now, but had the same issue with all other custom and stock roms that I've tried.
I am using my phone as a music player while jogging or exercising and i have some connectivity/bandwidth issues.
I keep losing the data connection to my headphones while listening tu some MP3. It seems that the BT connection between the devices is still online,
but no data is going through. This seems to be related to the distance between phone and headset,
but the direction the P8 lite faces and the angle seem to matter as well.
That wouldnt be much of an issue, if this would not happen at close range, (I'd even say closest range).
For example, i hold my phone in my right hand and the music would stop playing every time my arm swings back ,
where the distance is less than a yard... Quite annoying...
So here is the question...
Does anybody else have this or a similar problem? How did you solve this?
Or am I probably just facing the fact that my devices Bluetooth is broken?
is maybe even my music player (WinAmp) the reason for this?
(can't be the headset, because it happend with other sets as well while the set work perfectly on other devices)
This is one of the most used functions on my device, I'd appreciate some help here...
rgds
Lex

Bluetooth isn't made for motion transmitting, that's why almost everyone just put down their phones and send files via Bluetooth. As you may know, Bluetooth is an old thing, and it has alot of disadvantages. Try using another music player, like poweramp, or install viper4android. You didn't said whenever your Bluetooth speaker is a box with speaker or eardrums. The devices Bluetooth capabilities is the same as Galaxy S6 etc use, so that's not a problem. Maybe your speaker receiver is bad, or you bought something cheap with improvised Bluetooth. For now, just change the music player, try the sound whitout moving and than give us another feedback. Little to no chances that p8 lite is the fault here.

I did a little testing yesterday. I used 4 different music players, they all showed the same behaviour, so I guess it is not connected to them. All had these "dropouts" like the bandwith is minimized. I found out that this is not a motion issue but connected to position ans maybe angle. sometimes all I have to do is turn my head a little an the music would stop. It comes back when I move my head back to old position. if I weren't at very close range to the phone it say it is a distance thing, but it seems more like some kind of shielding... I guess i have to lend my wifeys phone and try whats going on then.. Oh, and I am speaking of In-Ear-Headphones

Lexington67 said:
I did a little testing yesterday. I used 4 different music players, they all showed the same behaviour, so I guess it is not connected to them. All had these "dropouts" like the bandwith is minimized. I found out that this is not a motion issue but connected to position ans maybe angle. sometimes all I have to do is turn my head a little an the music would stop. It comes back when I move my head back to old position. if I weren't at very close range to the phone it say it is a distance thing, but it seems more like some kind of shielding... I guess i have to lend my wifeys phone and try whats going on then.. Oh, and I am speaking of In-Ear-Headphones
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Than, the only remaining solution is to try your eardrums with another phone or p8lite with another eardrums. I don't really believe the phone is the problem here.

D1stRU3T0R said:
Than, the only remaining solution is to try your eardrums with another phone or p8lite with another eardrums. I don't really believe the phone is the problem here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I own a HTC One M7 with Slim7... I will give it a shot and see whats happening

Lexington67 said:
I own a HTC One M7 with Slim7... I will give it a shot and see whats happening
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So i did a little testing with the MotoG3 and the HTC One M7. Both connected to my headset and showed the same behaviour.
Seems like I need a new headset, the issue is not caused by the smartphone(s)
Thanks for your help...

Lexington67 said:
So i did a little testing with the MotoG3 and the HTC One M7. Both connected to my headset and showed the same behaviour.
Seems like I need a new headset, the issue is not caused by the smartphone(s)
Thanks for your help...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Told you... Before you buy, check with the P8 lite if the new headset is working how it should.

facing the same problem, BUT the headset work as a charm with different android phones!

In my case it was definitely the headset itself, bougth me a new, different one and everything ist fine now.