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new and seeking advice

Hello,
I've been reading up on the kaiser for a little while now and think the specs are amazing.
I've been meaning to get a new phone for a while now, upgrade from my samsung e715. I'm thinking about getting the t-mobile wing as a replacement.
I was wondering if this is a feasible idea, I mean, with the possibility of at&t getting the kaiser, should I wait for that to unlock it?
Will T-mobile be getting a nicer/better version of the p4550 when/if there 3G network goes up?
Just seeking some input, and any would be much appreciated. Thank you

Yea... upgrade! WM will be a bit of a shock to you, it's quite different than what you're used to in terms of mobile telephony. The Kaiser would be a great piece of technology for anyone to own, however the price tag may not be everyone's cup of tea. Personally I plan to get an unlocked one for some 800 dollars. ATT may offer it for 500 with 2 year plan. As for unlocking, if you have international travel ahead of you in a near future then I believe there is a SIM unlock solution already. If not, I wouldn't worry about it until you need it unlocked.

oh well i was thinking of buying the at&t 8925 and unlocking and using on t-mobile. I don't know if it will be capable of syncing with T-mobile's 3G when they have it up and running, like what band they use and whatnot.

lemonhead said:
oh well i was thinking of buying the at&t 8925 and unlocking and using on t-mobile. I don't know if it will be capable of syncing with T-mobile's 3G when they have it up and running, like what band they use and whatnot.
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if i were you i wouldnt get the wing. its too slow, plus on a lot of them theres a memory problems. i used to have t-mobile but when i switched to cingular i found out they're much better and the signal is much better. also you get more minutes for the same price t-mobile offers.
so right now i have a t-mobile sda unlocked for cingular, just waiting for the kaiser. I dont know how long it will take before there is a Kaiser Sim unlock utility, so you can either get an unlocked htc kaiser or the AT&T Tilt (their calling the 8925 that now) and wait for a sim unlock utility.

think it would work on the t-mobile 3g network? on the 1700 band?

Are there any European members who own an AT&T Tilt?

If so, could you let us know how the WIFI and phone perform?
Thanks

AT&T isn't big this side of the pond, AFAIK.
I do own an unbranded kaiser, and everything is fine, wifi and phone-wise.

Thank you.
How did you purchase it?
Is it possible to do so without being an AT&T customer?

I don't think AT&T are in Europe so you either buy the original HTC TyTN II without a contract or get the branded devices on T-Mobile etc.
Try Mobile Planet / Expansys:
http://www.mobileplanet.com/

Can't, I need a PPC without cameras
Due to corporate policy.

do you have to poke your eyes out, too ?
as i understand it, ATT sells a de-featured kaiser in US ?

Sorry I didn't realise there was a version with no camera!
You won't get an AT&T one in Europe I'm afraid

Something like that...
draxredd said:
do you have to poke your eyes out, too ?
as i understand it, ATT sells a de-featured kaiser in US ?
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Yes, they do. But AFAIK the only feature missing is the cameras.
In addition, I understand that AT&T have pre-loaded all sort of demo apps etc to ROM, which lower the amount of free memory, but I assume this is solved by installing the regular Kaiser ROM or any other cooked ROM.
I don't have any experience in this, so I'm slowly going over the many excellent posts here.

When at&t released the 8525 we also had a 8500 which was a cameraless version. Precisely why these exist in this context, I can't say. The Tilt's internal designation is the 8925 and I now see that an 8900 is available for order from our internal equipment catalog. I can see if I can get my hands on one for you if you like?

That would be very helpful.
What is the cost?
Thanks!

KAISER: A Thing of the Past?

Hello everyone,
Been away for a short while, but I'm noticing that not much is happening new with the Kaisers. The cooks are gone to other things, and therefore tech support is far and in-between by what I've been reading over several posts in each of the Kaiser forum sections. I was just logging in to try and get help with making my volume louder (for the in-call volume AND the speaker), but my cook has gone, and seemingly not much is happening with regards to the ROM's needs.
So, is everyone going to I-Phones, or FUZE devices, etc.?
I'm curious because I'm really aggitated with AT&T right now. I just realized when I bought my wife her Samsung Epix, that JUST for buying the phone, I'm REQUIRED to have a $30/month data plan for her. She doesn't cruise the net on her phone. But she DOES text (I have the family unlimited messaging plan). She needs a device with a storage card so she can text, use the MS Office Apps, etc.. NOT cruise the net.
So, I'm thinking about changing carriers, but don't know anyone else other than T-Mobile that will accept my SIM card. And SOME say that trying the T-Mobile SIM card in my Kaiser will render the GPS, messaging, data, etc... applications useless.
So, just tryin' to get a feel of what to do next.

everything will work just fine. you should swithc to tmobile. tmobile is much cheaper than att. i used my kaiser on tmobile for nearly a year with no problems if you bring your own phone they wont make you have a data plan but if you buy one of their tmobile branded phones they will make you activate with a dada plans. anyway if you have any questions just pm me

josefcrist said:
everything will work just fine. you should swithc to tmobile. tmobile is much cheaper than att. i used my kaiser on tmobile for nearly a year with no problems if you bring your own phone they wont make you have a data plan but if you buy one of their tmobile branded phones they will make you activate with a dada plans. anyway if you have any questions just pm me
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Thanks. I appreciate that.

josefcrist said:
everything will work just fine. you should swithc to tmobile. tmobile is much cheaper than att. i used my kaiser on tmobile for nearly a year with no problems if you bring your own phone they wont make you have a data plan but if you buy one of their tmobile branded phones they will make you activate with a dada plans. anyway if you have any questions just pm me
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Isn't the bands of the Tilt regards 3G different than AT&T? Thought the Tilt couldn't get 3G when using a T-Mobile sim?

Indeed the bands are different. You can't get 3G on T-Mobile with the Tilt. I use mine on Tmo everyday, with full GPS and everything. Tmo doesnt really have great 3G coverage anyways, so I don't really miss it all that much. But yeah, just use the combo SIM and CID unlocker, and slap that SIM into your Tilt and all is good to go.

Le Kaiser est morte, Vive Le Kaiser
Yeah...with the advent of more powerful phones in the HTC line (I recently went Rhodium/Tilt2), the Kaiser/Tilt is pretty much a dinosaur. I am still keeping the lovable brick for a backup. I've tried many roms...Thanks Dutty, Mr. NATF and TwoPumpChump for creating and releasing them, but unfortunately the Tilt's time for "Operation Upgrade" had come.
On the flip side though there are still folks cooking out there for Kaiser, ya just gotta know where to look and who to ask! Yeah, the unlocked Tilt will run with a T-mobile SIMM ( or any other network's SIMM), just not at the full potential that one would get on it's native network.
Good luck and good use!

God Damn Vodafone!!!!!!! why!!

So much for everyone recieving the full froyo update!
as usuall vodafone balls everything up for all us users. It makes no sense unless they are removing features as the explanation around emergency calling doesnt fit, in that case users using a nexus one roaming on vodafone wouldnt be able to emergency call.
Nexus One customers that bought the phone from Vodafone will be getting Froyo, albeit a little delayed. We have to make a few changes to Froyo to optimize it for the Vodafone network (small stuff around Emergency calling, etc.), so it will take at least another couple of weeks (changes + testing).
Apologize for the extra delay, but please understand that this is a large scale deployment with lots of intricacies and we have to be prudent. I can assure you that we are striving hard to get Froyo out to all Nexus One customers ASAP.
Thanks for your continued support!
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http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=488da0ef21660d13&hl=en&start=3280
now how do i unlock my bootloader.

What if I bought my N1 directly from Google

I wish they would be more verbose about the actual issue.. surely anyone who has bought their phone direct from Google should be having certain issues with Froyo in Europe then?

So is that all EPF21B handsets? I didn't get mine from Vodafone, I bought it from Phones 4 U and put it on a voda iPhone tarriff. AFAIK I could've put it on any network.
I guess it's registered on the vodafone network now...

b0dge said:
So is that all EPF21B handsets? I didn't get mine from Vodafone, I bought it from Phones 4 U and put it on a voda iPhone tarriff. AFAIK I could've put it on any network.
I guess it's registered on the vodafone network now...
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all EPF21B handsets are assigned to vodafone, some phone shops might sell you it as another network, but they were meant to be vodafone only.
So yes unfortunatly all EPF21B phones have to wait for whatever crap google are doing to it, and given the amount of time they are saying it is gonna take i doubt it will be just minor changes like they say.

b0dge said:
So is that all EPF21B handsets? I didn't get mine from Vodafone, I bought it from Phones 4 U and put it on a voda iPhone tarriff. AFAIK I could've put it on any network.
I guess it's registered on the vodafone network now...
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You did get it from vodafoe albeit through a phone shop.
Definitely couldn't have put it on any network. Phone are supplied from the networks not phone shops.

Think they need to 'optimize' out the tethering ability?

I stand corrected (said the man in the orthopedic shoes). Cheers for the info guys.
So all this talk of all the updates for the N1 coming direct from Google with no interruptions from the networks was all pie in the sky?

asim_aziz said:
You did get it from vodafoe albeit through a phone shop.
Definitely couldn't have put it on any network. Phone are supplied from the networks not phone shops.
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You can put it on any network you like, I got mine from phone4u although it was a Vodafone phone there is no branding, sim or documentation and am running an 02 sim in it.

braingravyuk said:
You can put it on any network you like, I got mine from phone4u although it was a Vodafone phone there is no branding, sim or documentation and am running an 02 sim in it.
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Being an unlocked phone you can use any networks sim in it but it would still have vodafone customized firmware. Doesn't make it O2s phone by using O2 sim in it.

You said it couldn't be used on any network, I was saying this is incorrect. Am not saying sticking in a sim from another operator magically changes the firmware.

braingravyuk said:
You said it couldn't be used on any network, I was saying this is incorrect. Am not saying sticking in a sim from another operator magically changes the firmware.
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Have you tried flashing the new FroYo at all or are you worried about voiding warranty?
I thought there was a version which would update all firmware versions?
I wanted to stick it on one of the guys at works' phones but he didn't want to. He's on a VF contract with the phone coming from VF.
I bought mine sim free from Google and stuck my contract sim in and rooted within a month. Never looked back to be honest.
You should consider it and if something goes wrong, just go straight to HTC or claim on your own insurance (home or phone specific).
I wouldn't hang around waiting for VF to sort it out, they'll probably bastardise the firmware anyway and lock out stuff.

Damn, some of you people are dense.
Vodafone is not requiring google to do anything.
Google is opting to modify their update for the vodafone range in order to IMPROVE their(vodafone gang's) experience.

JCopernicus said:
Damn, some of you people are dense.
Vodafone is not requiring google to do anything.
Google is opting to modify their update for the vodafone range in order to IMPROVE their(vodafone gang's) experience.
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lol yeah ok, believe that if you wish. all the evidence however proves otherwise, have you read the gaurdian uk article from vodafone?

mattinglis said:
lol yeah ok, believe that if you wish. all the evidence however proves otherwise, have you read the gaurdian uk article from vodafone?
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A link or some specificity to what article you're talking about may answer that question.

JCopernicus said:
Damn, some of you people are dense.
Vodafone is not requiring google to do anything.
Google is opting to modify their update for the vodafone range in order to IMPROVE their(vodafone gang's) experience.
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Surely any worth while improvements would be in Froyo to benefit everyone, I can't see Vodafone running something that is unique to their network otherwise every single phone they release would need specific software to them.
Also isn't there other networks in Europe supplying the N1 that isn't Vodafone but use the same build? I do fear this is more about removal of tethering, as there is people on here running Froyo just fine on Vodafone's network.

Maybe there's hope for tether after all
Hey guys, I have an AT&T nexus1 now running frf85b on Vodafone in East Africa. Tether doesn't work already because of a DNS problem. I am pretty sure it's not a phone or computer problem, but some discrepancy between Voda and Froyo. Perhaps Voda is getting that worked out in their network before releasing frf85b. Or a different froyo build is on it's way, but either way, this seems like there may be hope for tether. If they didn't want you to have tether they could give it to you broke now.

Thats bull****...
Not everyone in europe uses Vodafone. I bought it from a retailer.
Since VF is the only provider with the n1 they also got it from VF.
Most people arent even using VF as their provider. Why should we need VF-specific ROM versions?

Vodafone forums are reporting another 2-3 weeks, which is why I unlocked the bootloader & am now running FRF85B.
Ha! up yours Vodamoan, I'm using an O2 sim anyways! LOL!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jun/29/android-froyo-google-update
there you go.
This update is not going to include any unique features for vodafone, neither is it going to include any improvements over the froyo which is already released. think about it why would google give a better version to voda rather than its own customers. neither is this update because of emergency calling like google claims, as to pass fcc rules the phone must be capable of creating emergency calls anywhere where there is reception, wether that be a us phone in the uk or vice versa it makes no difference.
this could be google making some changes to optomize it for vodafones network, but then the question is why dont other networks need optomized versions?
voda has made it clear in many sources it isnt happy about tethering on android or other phones as they fear it will cripple their network like att in america. so is it just coincidence that they have asked google to make changes? highly unlikely, more likely is google is either removing or limiting tethering on the vodafone version.
Quite how this will stop people tethering when they can just switch firmwares is beyond me.
Just a shame vodafone and to some way google (by agreeing to change it for vodafone) are going completely against the openness of android. Infact google themselves stated a few weeks back that they werent happy about the fragmentation of android, yet they themselves are fragmenting it for the benefit of a network.

[Q] HD7 for AT&T/Telus

I bought my HD2 from Telstra to use on AT&T. When I received it I couldn't get it to work on AT&T with the factory ROM and had to HSPL/Reflash it. What are the thought on the HD7 from Telstra working with an AT&T sim on the AT&T network? I would really hate to go back to a smaller screen and honestly the surround seems a bit kitchy.

You probably will have to have it sim unlocked. Thats easier than flashing a rom, but with WP7 I don't know.

i want to do the same thing i need an HD7 on at&t

i am on the same page
I am using a telstra hd2 on us att 3g, i switch between wm 6.5.x and android 2.2 desire rom, i've been using android a lot more lately, because i got tired of squeezing functionality out of winmo when its already there with android (tired of second rate facebook, foursquare apps etc ), alas i really want WP7 to succeed and will be there to support it, but i do not want to downgrade to a smaller device to stay on at&t, I have a cheap unlimited data plan (at&t thinks im using a
little nokia phone for data), the A list where i use my google voice for calls and have accrued over 3,000 roll over minutes,so it looks like ill be forking over $800 bucks again for a telstra hd7 if that's the case, i imagine though when i sell my unlocked hd2 running on att 3g network with dual operating systems i may get a decent penny on ebay to contribute towards the telstra hd7 purchase
and also has anyone else using this phone have found little support for those running android on it or anything else? sometimes i feel like im the only guy in the united states with a telstra hd2 and everyone else is using the tmo usa one, all the forums talk about the euro hd2 and the tmo usa one

im in the same boat, but with Bell in canada..i use the Telstra HD2 and from the looks of things were just getting the LG with the keyboard and a 3.5in screen..looks awful. im hoping the same with the HD7, just a matter of whether they can be sim unlocked. ill be keeping my eye on it and hoping for the best anyway.

Is it telstra even getting the hd7?

Seems like Telstra will be getting the HD7 exclusively in 2011 similar to what happened with the HD2.
Launch availability will be T-Mobile(US) O2(England/Germany) and SingTel(Singapore) none of which support UMTS/HSDPA 850.

Strange because according to these guys the HD7 will be coming to Telstra in November: http://smarthouse.com.au/Phones/Mobile/X6L9N4K3
And for those of us that bought the Telstra HD2 we may recall the device came factory unlocked. Great for me as I'm using it on Telus in Toronto, Canada.
I looked at our launch line up here as well and our choices are pretty weak. I've read someone confirmed the Dell Venue Pro will work for us on the North American bands. That's my second choice.
But I think the HD7 from Telstra will be good to go. Except we'll be stuck with a Telstra Hub until someone figures out how to flash new roms lol..

pistol44 said:
Strange because according to these guys the HD7 will be coming to Telstra in November: http://smarthouse.com.au/Phones/Mobile/X6L9N4K3
And for those of us that bought the Telstra HD2 we may recall the device came factory unlocked. Great for me as I'm using it on Telus in Toronto, Canada.
I looked at our launch line up here as well and our choices are pretty weak. I've read someone confirmed the Dell Venue Pro will work for us on the North American bands. That's my second choice.
But I think the HD7 from Telstra will be good to go. Except we'll be stuck with a Telstra Hub until someone figures out how to flash new roms lol..
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You can uninstall the operator's hub, it'll just come back at each hard reset

front facing camera?
is it possible to find someone who can install a front facing camera as well? I would pay who ever could do it, it can be done with the samsung vibrant, it is really disappointing there is no ffc installed
and now im worried once i import the hd7 from telstra will there be roms that i can use to remove the telstra hub and skins? I doubt a hard reset will remove this, we are all venturing into new ground here indeed

there are no skins, and the carrier apps can be uninstalled

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Strange because according to these guys the HD7 will be coming to Telstra in November: http://smarthouse.com.au/Phones/Mobile/X6L9N4K3
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According to this article "Unfortunately the elusive HTC HD7 is not available at launch. It’s officially slated to be available exclusively through Telstra next year in 2011. You would be wise to bet the first half of the year."
I honestly believe it will be worth the wait.
Were you able to use your Telstra HD2 on AT&T straight out of the box? I ask this because I could not. It was indeed sim unlocked, but didn't work for me. Granted I only tested it once and then HSPL/Flash to NRG.
-Brad

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You can uninstall the operator's hub, it'll just come back at each hard reset
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When you say "uninstall" I assume then you mean just remove their hub from the homescreen without actually uninstalling their software.

bworls said:
According to this article "Unfortunately the elusive HTC HD7 is not available at launch. It’s officially slated to be available exclusively through Telstra next year in 2011. You would be wise to bet the first half of the year."
I honestly believe it will be worth the wait.
Were you able to use your Telstra HD2 on AT&T straight out of the box? I ask this because I could not. It was indeed sim unlocked, but didn't work for me. Granted I only tested it once and then HSPL/Flash to NRG.
-Brad
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Odd that on the same day 2 different stories would be printed. One saying it's available next month, the other saying next year. Guess we'll know for sure by November if it doesn't actually arrive.
For me personally it worked on the Telus network right out of the box, even before I HSPL'd it. The only hassle was setting up the data and mms manually. But later I found a few custom roms that did that for me.

Review of the HD7 PCWorld AU
"This Telstra-exclusive Windows Phone 7 smartphone will launch in Australia in January 2011."
Anyone have a time machine?

The UK carrier O2 is also adding the HD7 to their line up for Oct. and has quad band GSM:
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Oct2010/o2-add-htc-hd7-windows-phone-7-smartphone.html
Based on my previous knowledge of quad band phones it should support the more popular 850/900/1800/1900 bands.. that being said can someone with more knowledge than myself confirm whether this would work similarly to the Telstra version?

vetvito said:
You probably will have to have it sim unlocked. Thats easier than flashing a rom, but with WP7 I don't know.
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Actually flashing a ROM won't work. You can't unlock the SIM by flashing another ROM, you have to get the unlock code regardless.
Most carriers do it for free or you can find a site online that will do it for a charge.
The OS does not effect SIM UNLOCKING so I do not see any change with WP7

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The UK carrier O2 is also adding the HD7 to their line up for Oct. and has quad band GSM:
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Oct2010/o2-add-htc-hd7-windows-phone-7-smartphone.html
Based on my previous knowledge of quad band phones it should support the more popular 850/900/1800/1900 bands.. that being said can someone with more knowledge than myself confirm whether this would work similarly to the Telstra version?
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GSM (2G) is 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS/HSDPA (3G) is more than likely 900/2100 where AT&T is 850/1900

bworls said:
GSM (2G) is 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS/HSDPA (3G) is more than likely 900/2100 where AT&T is 850/1900
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Yeah I figured as much.. wishful thinking I guess. So we wait until January 2011

xma1e said:
Actually flashing a ROM won't work. You can't unlock the SIM by flashing another ROM, you have to get the unlock code regardless.
Most carriers do it for free or you can find a site online that will do it for a charge.
The OS does not effect SIM UNLOCKING so I do not see any change with WP7
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Do you know any reliable and trusted website? I don't mind paying I just want to be sure the site can do it.