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What do people think about integrated antennas like these:
http://store.mp3car.com/Roof_top_GPS_Cellular_PCS_WiFi_antenna_p/com-008.htm
I am thinking about getting one like this for my car obviously to up the gps and cellular signal strength.
A question I have for any TyTn II experts, Which antenna does the WiFi use, is it integrated into the cellular antenna or gps or neither?
Neither, I believe all three have their own internal antennas. I say this because I have seen the internal photos of the Hermes and Trinity (which has GPS) and they had seperate small antennas. The Kaiser has two external antenna ports but after bricking my 1st Hermes by plugging an external antenna in and having it kill my radio, I'll never play the external game again. Besides it seems to work very well on all radios, even simultaneously, without externals.
I Would Have To Go With All In A 3 In One (technicaly)
FROM MY EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ALL WORK WITH THE RIGHT DRIVERS.
hOW EVER BEING ABSTRACT I WOULD SAY SINCE I BELIEVE MOST OF ALL THE PHONES HAVE GPS BUILT IN and THAT THE WRITE DRIVER SHOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE antenna FROM THE PHONE WHICH HAS MORE THAN ONE WIRE IN IT.
external NOW YOUR TALKING SOME EXTRA BOOST JUST FOR YOUR CONNECTION TO IT.
YOU CANT GO WRONG, TRICK IS ALL ABOUT TIME AND EFFICIENCY COST IS PERSONAL OPINION[
good luck
The first photo is with the rubber grommet off and you can see the hole that goes through to the documented external GPS antenna. In the red circle is a piece of plastic that is blocking another external antenna port.
The 2nd photo is with the whole back off and inside the circle again you can see the extra antenna port.
aboutthemind said:
FROM MY EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ALL WORK WITH THE RIGHT DRIVERS.
hOW EVER BEING ABSTRACT I WOULD SAY SINCE I BELIEVE MOST OF ALL THE PHONES HAVE GPS BUILT IN and THAT THE WRITE DRIVER SHOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE antenna FROM THE PHONE WHICH HAS MORE THAN ONE WIRE IN IT.
external NOW YOUR TALKING SOME EXTRA BOOST JUST FOR YOUR CONNECTION TO IT.
YOU CANT GO WRONG, TRICK IS ALL ABOUT TIME AND EFFICIENCY COST IS PERSONAL OPINION
good luck
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1. Stop yelling!
2. Most phones do NOT have GPS built-in.
3. You don't need drivers to use an external antenna. It's a physical connection.
4. Get your facts straight.
5. I like the antenna. Now if it had an XM antenna in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It would also work great for wardriving (not with my Tilt, but with my laptop)
Another Fan i apologize for not being clear
Lidberg said:
1. Stop yelling!
Please refrain from giving me orders!
2. Most phones do NOT have GPS built-in.
Actually they do to eliminate have to change a board already n production. besides the kaiser is older like 5 years then an mda.
3. You don't need drivers to use an external antenna. It's a physical connection.
Who said anything about drivers for the XM Radio antenna. I said Driversfor the internal gps antena. Read the kaiser wiki... the wiki for the pre-installed gps module.
4. Get your facts straight.
Well this is the part where tell you my way of thinking. I dont read so bare with me considering i am self taught and taking over a hundred different phones apart i can even say with out knowing that they stopped the technology cause 1000 features that are to advanced become a forum!!!!
Again if you are a HTC technician or a hardware engineer for any of the pocket pc device i will with draw any of my comments.
How ever of your here for fun and to learn do a litle bit of home work before you accidentally insult some one willing to read your opinion.
Hope i was a little bit better in explaining what i meant
ciao
5. I like the antenna. Now if it had an XM antenna in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It would also work great for wardriving (not with my Tilt, but with my laptop)
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This can be done
People don't like when you use ALL CAPS. It looks like you're yelling at them.
The way you made your statement, it sounded like you needed drivers for the GPS antenna, which is not true. You need drivers to utilize the GPS radio. Two different things. You even got the two mixed up in the same post.
I seriously doubt the Kaiser is 5 years old. Where are you getting this information??
Personally I think your statements tend to ramble and be incoherent, but I digress. The Kaiser is an excellent phone. I love having built-in GPS. I am probably going to buy an external GPS antenna for it, although it really doesn't need it. I can even get 2-3 birds inside my house.
aboutthemind said:
Actually they do to eliminate have to change a board already n production. besides the kaiser is older like 5 years then an mda.
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What does this mean? That HTC or other cell phone manufacturer are removing components on a board they've already produced before they release a new phone? Why on earth would they do that when they could save the cost of buying the additional circuitry in the first place and just order a run of what they want?
I said Driversfor the internal gps antena.
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Antennae don't require drivers. Circuits do. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
...they stopped the technology cause 1000 features that are to advanced become a forum!!!!
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This doesn't make any sense.
Again if you are a HTC technician or a hardware engineer for any of the pocket pc device i will with draw any of my comments.
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I'm neither, but I believe you need to withdraw your comments.
Hope i was a little bit better in explaining what i meant
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Not really, no. It sounds like you're saying the Kaiser is using a board that's five years old and has physically had circuits removed from it because HTC didn't want to provide all of the features/functions that they could. I sincerely doubt that this is the case, since they'll produce a couple million of these things and paying even $1 extra for circuits they'll remove and labor to remove them makes no sense when they can order up a board that they want and get it for cheaper.
Throw in that you posted in all caps (considered rude by just about everyone) and then provided information that just doesn't add up, I'm not surprised you got push back.
Again i apologize for beining insulted and for any misrepresentation
I really don't feel like explaining my self, so if you feel that i am attacking you i apologize.
considering that i have simply stated a an opinion and you have managed to exert the fact that you do not respect others. i will respond.
and seriously just take what you like in theory and leave the stuff that you dont like.
I am not going to explain that typing is not the easiest thing for me. please don't mistake that for a representation of how i deal with people.
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What does this mean? That HTC or other cell phone manufacturer are removing components on a board they've already produced before they release a new phone? Why on earth would they do that when they could save the cost of buying the additional circuitry in the first place and just order a run of what they want?
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Wow now were ar talking so a little lesson in busines 101 agan i can only base this on doing business in the us for over ten years this is not to have you answer me back
cost of labor for most manufacture is far greater than the price of parts in bulk.
out of respect for the people reading this ill stop thier.
Antennae don't require drivers. Circuits do. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.sorry for confusing the the exact words i was trying to offend everyone are you kidding me
1000 features that no one needs
This doesn't make any sense.
ok so since your opinion is not completely biast this again alies the theaory of an article in a vry small country called he us have youu heard of it?
Seriuosley i am in no mood to go over every line to some one that is biast to my comment that all of a sudden became an issue.
Listen genious and i do say geneous with respect the fact is and this goes for all. technology has far supercede the cash cow(people who buy, consumers, money, what makes the world go round)
i noticed after getting into the bigger phones like the 1700 and the BA and the hermes that they all look the same or have very similar compositions.
I came to the conclusion that they all had gps in them from a market professional stand pioint. So really just appriciate some input.
You want the facts well yeh its but so what i was trying to give some input before you reminded me that i wll end up having to type for an hour cause a genious felt it necessary to chalenge me.
I'm neither, but I believe you need to withdraw your comments.
Ok no problem please understand i was giving input and you decided to insult me.
I openly withdraw any comment i have ever made that you feel is not worthy as another member put it and if you would like me to say that i am sorry posting i do.
Not really, no. It sounds like you're saying
the Kaiser is using a board that's five years old and has physically had circuits removed from it because HTC didn't want to provide all of the features/functions that they could.
no one said anything about removal, baords for the most part have alot of he circuits on them it makes it vary easy to acomplish global standards and upgrades and maximizing profit by making upgrades look tangible.
I sincerely doubt that this is the case, since they'll produce a couple million of these things and paying even $1 extra for circuits they'll remove and labor to remove them makes no sense when they can order up a board that they want and get it for cheaper.
I agree that would make no sense thats why i would nt say it i see where your coming from.
Throw in that you posted in all caps (considered rude by just about everyone) and then provided information that just doesn't add up,
I'm not surprised you got push back.
i wouldnt know but i apriciate yur interest in my curent position and standings may be you could show me how i can get pms cause its very hard for me to read i have add and typing is the worst,
What a waste of time and energy i apologize to anyone having to read this
you see chief i didn't ven relize that that the caps lock was on but since you decide to think now i will tell you the system i use wich is also a system i created because of you thinking for me requires caps lock to be own as well as the state of ca on documents.
so again i apologize
record time MIKE 1:15 mins
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bazzatron said:
The first photo is with the rubber grommet off and you can see the hole that goes through to the documented external GPS antenna. In the red circle is a piece of plastic that is blocking another external antenna port.
The 2nd photo is with the whole back off and inside the circle again you can see the extra antenna port.
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Thanks for the visual thats what i am talking about
back to the real question
i would look for any type of after market booster car kit easiest way is google the word china after it and you would be shocked what youll find they can pretty much customize anything the word to use for phones in china is not cellular or htc.. pocket pc
"mobile phone"
is the key word attached to gps car kit or what ever
always request a sample good luck only sugestion i am not an expert
sorry about the caps didnt see it
Lidberg said:
People don't like when you use ALL CAPS. It looks like you're yelling at them.
The way you made your statement, it sounded like you needed drivers for the GPS antenna, which is not true. You need drivers to utilize the GPS radio. Two different things. You even got the two mixed up in the same post.
again tabgled up up a bit my bad
I seriously doubt the Kaiser is 5 years old. Where are you getting this information??
well not to be a drag but the hermes is been around for ages and again not to be rude but the kaiser is not the first phone to have a total new build. just some awsome exploited adjustments.
Personally I think your statements tend to ramble and be incoherent, but I digress.
well i guess everyone has an opinion but no need to insult me
The Kaiser is an excellent phone. I love having built-in GPS. I am probably going to buy an external GPS antenna for it, although it really doesn't need it. I can even get 2-3 birds inside my house.
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Kool let me know how it goes
if i get around to it
i am assuming it can hook into a car via blue toothe???????
aboutthemind said:
sue.
Listen genious and i do say geneous with respect the fact is and this goes for all. technology has far supercede the cash cow(people who buy, consumers, money, what makes the world go round)
i noticed after getting into the bigger phones like the 1700 and the BA and the hermes that they all look the same or have very similar compositions.
I came to the conclusion that they all had gps in them from a market professional stand pioint.
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Don't insult us by calling us "genius". There are a lot of very smart people on this board. Without their help, my phone wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
You made a pretty broad assumption that if one or two phones have GPS built-in, then all of them do. The fact is, very few phones have GPS built-in. My last phone, the 8525, was a very good phone with lots of features. It's less than a year old and it doesn't have GPS. Go ahead and keep making those assumptions and you'll stand out as someone who doesn't know how to do any kind of research. You will make yourself look like a fool.
P.S. Spell check is your friend. Use it.
Actually the 8525 does have GPS! However, after in-depth investigation these XDA folks identified that while the IC Chipset did have GPS as part of it's standard fratures, HTC shorted those particular pins to ground on the circuit board and did not include the internal amp and antenna assembly as well so it was impossible to make it work on them without major micro surgery. The Trinity, however, had the components and thru software was able to have it's GPS come to life. But certainly all phones don't have Chipsets with integrated GPS.
I would agree that many companies will use a particular chip and elect NOT to provide all of the features at first release or for specific models, that is normal marketing driven buisness and gives us reasons to buy the next model.
XDA certainly has made it possible for us all to reap the collective tinkering experience and get more from the phones we have and sometimes get these hidden features with a little work.
No disrespect "aboutthemind", but I must agree that your text is a challenge to understand, but I'm always amazed at the worldwide, round-the-clock, activity on this forum. I've learned so much here.
RemE said:
Actually the 8525 does have GPS! However, after in-depth investigation these XDA folks identified that while the IC Chipset did have GPS as part of it's standard fratures, HTC shorted those particular pins to ground on the circuit board and did not include the internal amp and antenna assembly as well so it was impossible to make it work on them without major micro surgery. The Trinity, however, had the components and thru software was able to have it's GPS come to life. But certainly all phones don't have Chipsets with integrated GPS.
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I remember that discussion well about the 8525 GPS. I think one guy even had the GPS working, but only by disassembling the phone and having wires running everywhere. Not exactly portable...
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I remember that discussion well about the 8525 GPS. I think one guy even had the GPS working, but only by disassembling the phone and having wires running everywhere. Not exactly portable...
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Actually they got the GPS chip activated but could receive no valid data since the antenna bits were not present, they investigated the internal components and determined that it was basically not worth the effort to attempt to unsoldier all of the grounded pins on the chip and then get an amp/bandpass filter and antenna installed. No one ever got a 8525 to work and the project halted, but along came Kaiser!
Here's another one: http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=151025 much cheaper too, but only to be placed on the dash. Probably work just as good though.
My Wing has only one external connection. I bought a 3 watt Wilson booster which then goes to a Yagi (one directional antenna). Its awesome the reception I get. Costs about $300.00 to do all this.
ok no gps in 8525 and aboutthemind is a fool Y N
Lidberg said:
Don't insult us by calling us "genius". There are a lot of very smart people on this board. Without their help, my phone wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
You made a pretty broad assumption that if one or two phones have GPS built-in, then all of them do. The fact is, very few phones have GPS built-in. My last phone, the 8525, was a very good phone with lots of features. It's less than a year old and it doesn't have GPS. Go ahead and keep making those assumptions and you'll stand out as someone who doesn't know how to do any kind of research. You will make yourself look like a fool.
P.S. Spell check is your friend. Use it.
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let me ask you a question, what gives you the right to speak for another person, I would you like to help the gentle man that was here for help cause i am confused as to why you want me to engage in this. i will if we can all end up with a gps that also gives you real-time police positions. Linberg i strongly sugest you bring a positive opinion to this one cause so far your not really contributing to a solution.
With all due respect sir, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have addressed the typing and by the looks of it i don't think u get that you my friend are assuming that i am just swing info from my hip.
your right but it from my eyes and hands threw my head to a yellow box so you can see.
now the comment you made finished this so at least we know that your old phone has a gps in it what else can we add to the gentle mans question..
yes i am a fool for answering you but i'll just pass cause i have no interest in your theory due to the nature of your comments.
gps is in the 8525 and yes you can take apart a phone. and im gane i got one in pieces so no is the time but the kaisers 8525 so the fun is one and that is poff's world i would start by maybe doing some reading on his work mans a guru
Mike I'm trying my best but out of respect for the genius members all of them including this guy . i can't take another comment with out losing character.
Mr Lindberg i regret to inform you that calling people fool and names and insulting my dyslexias probably cost you. I like the name very historical but again i will only ask you one more time do not insult me and do not speak for the team
yes we have lift off
zcink said:
My Wing has only one external connection. I bought a 3 watt Wilson booster which then goes to a Yagi (one directional antenna). Its awesome the reception I get. Costs about $300.00 to do all this.
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yeah thats what I'm talking about i like it. can yu post a link
aboutthemind said:
let me ask you a question, what gives you the right to speak for another person, I would you like to help the gentle man that was here for help cause i am confused as to why you want me to engage in this. i will if we can all end up with a gps that also gives you real-time police positions. Linberg i strongly sugest you bring a positive opinion to this one cause so far your not really contributing to a solution.
With all due respect sir, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have addressed the typing and by the looks of it i don't think u get that you my friend are assuming that i am just swing info from my hip.
your right but it from my eyes and hands threw my head to a yellow box so you can see.
now the comment you made finished this so at least we know that your old phone has a gps in it what else can we add to the gentle mans question..
yes i am a fool for answering you but i'll just pass cause i have no interest in your theory due to the nature of your comments.
gps is in the 8525 and yes you can take apart a phone. and im gane i got one in pieces so no is the time but the kaisers 8525 so the fun is one and that is poff's world i would start by maybe doing some reading on his work mans a guru
Mike I'm trying my best but out of respect for the genius members all of them including this guy . i can't take another comment with out losing character.
Mr Lindberg i regret to inform you that calling people fool and names and insulting my dyslexias probably cost you. I like the name very historical but again i will only ask you one more time do not insult me and do not speak for the team
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Sorry man, but I can't make any sense out of what you're trying to say. I didn't put any words into your mouth. I don't know where you got that idea.
You made some pretty broad statements about GPS in phones and I told you that that is not true - most phones do not have GPS built-in. The 8525 has some of the hardware, but it is not a complete, workable solution.
Also, I did not call you a fool. I said you would look like a fool if you made broad statements about phones in general that are not true.
'nuff said.
Hey guys,
I had my Diamond for a few months now, and with the help and hard work by the great people in this forum I now got it from "unusable" (the way it was when it came out of the box) to "almost working" after flashing many different ROMs, trying tweaks, installing and uninstalling applications and hacks.
The device still is laggish, slow, unresponsive. Many things still suck hard, and it still crashes at least once a day. The ridiculous fact that there is a "reset manager" installed which does a scheduled soft reset every now and then speaks for itself.
To cut this short, I decided to destroy what I believe is the greatest piece of sh** you could ever put a SIM card into, and I want to do it in the most spectacular way possible.
The reasons for destroying it are:
1. It sucks so hard it makes me aggressive, I feel like throwing it on the ground at least once a day when I wait for an important call only to discover that that sob crashed two hours ago or when a phone call is dropped in the middle of a conversation
2. my friends laugh at me because I have the most sophisticated, most expensive cell phone and I am the one having the greatest trouble with it.
3. It HAS to be destroyed so it doesn't fall into someone else's hands and devours someone else's time, money and energy
4. It's fun, isn't it?
I will make a video of the destruction process and post it either here or on Youtube for the amusement of the community.
What I need now are your suggestions on how to do it. Please participate in the poll attached to this thread and let me know what you think.
i wouldnt mind
hi, i wouldnt mind my time and money devoured by this evil diamond of yours =)
really, but elf broke down today, and i hope they will replace it with something awesomer, but i dont have that kind of money to buy myself a new one =P
you can destroy my touch, it has caused me even more trouble than you diamond i think =D
Give it to someone else...
There are even people finding it fantastic...
Or to a chef, that he can continue to make excellent ROMs...
I think, that Dutty broke his Diamond and is looking for another one...
Ok, I go out...
the point
c'mon you guys, this is not about getting rid of the device. We have a working public service here and they collect trash every two weeks.
No, this is about something else. It is about the question what exactly is happening here, why this forum exists and what has become normal in the world of 2008.
It is that a manufacturer has brought a device to the market that can only be used after hours and hours spent on doing what the developers were supposed to do. People like Dutty, who's ROM I am using right now, deserve not only respect for what they are doing, they also deserve to get PAID for it - not by donations, but with cold hard cash from HTC.
I can buy an electric two-speed hammer drill here at the hardware store for the equivalent of 10 US Dollars, it comes with printed instructions, a small bag with tools and replacement brushes, and a plastic carrying box. It is covered by a two year warranty.
On the other hand, I can buy a $500 piece of crap called the Touch Diamond, which is almost unuseable in the state I got it out of the box because of being FAR too slow to be used in an everyday manner. I can then spend HOURS AND DAYS on re-flashing, updating and customizing it with the results of work done by people like Dutty and all the others here who ALSO have spent their time and energy on the same goal, and I end up with a device that only crashed once a day and still is SLOW. Neither the manufacturer of the hardware nor Microsoft who have done the software GIVES A SH**.
I am currently writing a book on this and many other topics, on things that are to be considered somewhere between ripoff and burglary, and that have become widely accepted just because of the lack of alternatives.
Look at the dreaded Iphone, for example. A device that has NOTHING outstanding to offer, a mediocre PDA combined with a mediocre MP3 player, a mediocre 2MP camera, and a mediocre cell phone - all it has is USABILITY.
A technical piece of equipment, be it a cell phone or a hammer drill, has two basic reasons to justify its existence: functionality and usability. A hammer drill has to drill holes, but must also enable the user to handle it appropriately.
The Diamond lacks both of these. It is still full of bugs and flaws, as we all know, and it is hardly usable without the f***ing stylus. The Iphone has both, it is blazing fast AND it is a charm to handle, but it has no ground-breaking features AND it comes with the restrictive policies of Apple Computer that we all know.
Before anybody gets excited, the Iphone is NOT an alternative to the Diamond. My old Nokia 7373 is because it just WORKS.
I have to state an example here, and that's why the Diamond has to die. I will not give it to anyone, even though I would love to support the community, but I think I give a greater gift to society if only ONE person reads this and ends up thinking - wow, what a scam by HTC and M$.
Please participate in the poll ;-)
Why don't you just send it for repair?
What REPAIR?? What should I write as fault description: "SLOW, LAGGISH, FULL OF BUGS"?
Try to send Windows Vista in for repair, maybe you will get back the first error-free operating system in the known universe, for free...
That's the way it SHOULD be, but sadly, the way it IS is different.
I know at least 3 users who don't know this site and are using their stock diamond. They don't have the bottom-edge expectations as you seem to have.
I have them and yes, i find them here. This is another stupid, boring thread about something YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN from the start.
These are silly devices which cannot replace a PC, just phone and fun. I have seriously NO ISSUES AT ALL so please don't start spamming this **** again. I think that is stupid, we had enough of those people right at the beginning.
You buy it, YOU pay 500 dollar, YOU go into the marketing.
HTC makes money of it, makes a living of people working there. That's how market works. Stop complaining after you buy something. Then just don't buy it. You always have options to try out first.
Like the idea...
But you forgot to put in the option of putting it in acid and let it slowly dissolve into notingness...
That would get my vote!
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What REPAIR?? What should I write as fault description: "SLOW, LAGGISH, FULL OF BUGS"?
Try to send Windows Vista in for repair, maybe you will get back the first error-free operating system in the known universe, for free...
That's the way it SHOULD be, but sadly, the way it IS is different.
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3 months ago you were saying something completely different:
"I love the phone, really the first usable device without keyboard that relies on dialling via virtual keyboard. Still have the Samsung Armani thing here waiting to go on Ebay..."
It is really the peer pressure is not it? And the destruction show is mainly for them? Hardly anybody of the xda-developers members would make a good audience.
I felt disappointed with the Diamond when I got it in June this year and yes, the feeling of rage came to me especially when the GPS was unable to get a fix.
Since then I learnt how to tweak the phone and today I can say that if it was misplaced I would get the same phone again.
Perhaps your phone really developed some hardware problem that demonstrates itself in lockups and sluggishness. I had my phone last week sitting next to iphone and all comparable applications such as the google maps were running at the same speed.
And I do not need to restart it unless I do a lot of browsing with Opera, which is still in beta and the latest version 29/10 seems to have fixed even that.
Spamming, Riel, is what you do. Nobody cares about how many people you know that are willing to live with an overpriced device that doesn't stand up to what it promises. There are millions of organisms that eat feces and are happy with it, did you know that?
I could NOT have known from the start about any of the negative experiences I had to make while trying to use the Touch Diamond. When you buy a machine, like a coffee maker, you expect that it will make coffee. That is the implication of the fact that the coffee maker exists and is being sold as one.
I have bought a very expensive cell phone, implicating that I can make and receive phone calls and send SMS, and it does not even accomplish these basic tasks without showing bugs and errors. Another implicit expectation is that a device sold in 2008 would be at least as fast and responsive as my 2001 Ericsson T39m, at least as far as telephony and SMS are concerned.
I wouldn't complain if the Diamond needed 1-2 seconds to start a complex application like Google Maps, but it needs 1-2 seconds to switch from my email inbox to an already running Opera, and 3 seconds to take a picture after pressing the shutter button, and yes, it crashes during and after phone calls quite frequently.
Yes, I used other WM phones like the Samsung Omnia or even the Xperia (had the chance to play with it for half a day) and the ALL had these problems. Unfortunately I had already bought the Diamond...
I am not whining or complaining about the loss of money. If I was, I would sell the Diamond on Ebay or somewhere else instead of destroying it.
Riel, I have many devices here that simply do not function properly, with manufacturers not caring about it and saying that I have to live with it, including even a CAR.
What you wrote is just an example for how many people today have stopped thinking about what they can expect for their money. I would love to sell you a hammer drill that takes 30 minutes for drilling a hole, quits unexpectedly from time to time for no obvious reason, and weighs 20 pounds. People like YOU would be quite happy with it as long as it looks fancy, has a blue display on top of it and makes sounds like a device from Star Trek.
catdog said:
3 months ago you were saying something completely different:
"I love the phone, really the first usable device without keyboard that relies on dialling via virtual keyboard. Still have the Samsung Armani thing here waiting to go on Ebay..."
It is really the peer pressure is not it? And the destruction show is mainly for them? Hardly anybody of the xda-developers members would make a good audience.
Yes, that's what I wrote, and it is still true. The Diamond is the first device I had in my hands that has no numeric keyboard AND allows dialling with one finger without major problems. True.
That was BEFORE I started using it beyond the capabilities of an ordinary cell phone, and BEFORE it started hanging or crashing in the middle of a call.
I wrote that I was impressed by the way I could dial numbers with the Diamond compared to the Armani, and that is still true as well.
No honey, it is not peer pressure. I don't mind running around with a pink Nokia everybody makes fun of, I did this for half a year, everybody was laughing, I didn't care. The fact is that I missed calls from people because of the phone not ringing and had to explain to them that my $500 high-tech phone is unable to play a ringtone when someone calls me. If somebody finds that funny, they are not making fun of me, but of HTC and Microsoft who sell crap like that for money. I can only make fun of myself because I was stupid enough to buy it, and this experience will keep me from buying any Windows Mobile device before I had the chance to play with WM7 for at least a week.
And come on, some people really need to lighten up a little. This is supposed to be a fun thread, it is about creating a funny video, if you don't want to read it press ALT-F4 and do something else.
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Like the idea...
But you forgot to put in the option of putting it in acid and let it slowly dissolve into notingness...
That would get my vote!
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Very good idea, but I don't think there is any acid that will dissolve the plastic housing. What we would get would be a device where some internal parts would be eaten up by acid, but I don't think very much would be visible on the outside.
Apart from that, it is hard to get concentrated sulfuric acid due to the danger it imposes.
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Spamming, Riel, is what you do. Nobody cares about how many people you know that are willing to live with an overpriced device that doesn't stand up to what it promises. There are millions of organisms that eat feces and are happy with it, did you know that?
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So why are you putting US up with your expectations? It's obvouis that the phone is good enough for the masses.
I could NOT have known from the start about any of the negative experiences I had to make while trying to use the Touch Diamond. When you buy a machine, like a coffee maker, you expect that it will make coffee. That is the implication of the fact that the coffee maker exists and is being sold as one.
I have bought a very expensive cell phone, implicating that I can make and receive phone calls and send SMS, and it does not even accomplish these basic tasks without showing bugs and errors. Another implicit expectation is that a device sold in 2008 would be at least as fast and responsive as my 2001 Ericsson T39m, at least as far as telephony and SMS are concerned.
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It does more then I want to. Don't know what your problem is, but I call, mail, sms, synchronise, navigate, play games etc. No it does not make coffee. And, yes, you had the option of trying it for a while.
I wouldn't complain if the Diamond needed 1-2 seconds to start a complex application like Google Maps, but it needs 1-2 seconds to switch from my email inbox to an already running Opera, and 3 seconds to take a picture after pressing the shutter button, and yes, it crashes during and after phone calls quite frequently.
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Just edit the registry. When you are not pations, you can set those delays to zero. The average user has no problems with it.
Yes, I used other WM phones like the Samsung Omnia or even the Xperia (had the chance to play with it for half a day) and the ALL had these problems. Unfortunately I had already bought the Diamond... I am not whining or complaining about the loss of money. If I was, I would sell the Diamond on Ebay or somewhere else instead of destroying it.
Riel, I have many devices here that simply do not function properly, with manufacturers not caring about it and saying that I have to live with it, including even a CAR.
What you wrote is just an example for how many people today have stopped thinking about what they can expect for their money. I would love to sell you a hammer drill that takes 30 minutes for drilling a hole, quits unexpectedly from time to time for no obvious reason, and weighs 20 pounds. People like YOU would be quite happy with it as long as it looks fancy, has a blue display on top of it and makes sounds like a device from Star Trek.
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Simple.
I think the perfect phone would cost 10.000 dollars, if you know what I mean.
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So why are you putting US up with your expectations? It's obvouis that the phone is good enough for the masses.
It does more then I want to. Don't know what your problem is, but I call, mail, sms, synchronise, navigate, play games etc. No it does not make coffee. And, yes, you had the option of trying it for a while.
Just edit the registry. When you are not pations, you can set those delays to zero. The average user has no problems with it.
Simple.
I think the perfect phone would cost 10.000 dollars, if you know what I mean.
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Well, Riel, I did not have the option of trying it for a while as you wrote... At first, it looks - and feels - great. You play around with all the features, discover the G-sensor, try a little GPS with Google Maps - great. It's like getting a new car with new features that the old one didn't have - electric windows, electric seats, more power, everything smells new - great.
When after a couple of weeks you notice a rattle behind the glove box you start noticing things that you didn't see - or didn't want to see - when it was new.
I don't see me here putting the blame on anyone on this board. I put the blame on the manufacturer who didn't do his job, be it for the hardware or the software part. Why should I edit the registry in my unpaid time to fix a camera delay that I am not responsible for?
You buy a new car, you notice that the air conditioner doesn't work. Would you start tweaking this yourself? Just edit the registry, put in another orifice, flush the system, and maybe that helps?
You are right, the perfect phone would cost a lot of money. Maybe $10000 as you write. Maybe a little less. If it would exist, I would happily spend like $2500 on it. But I don't think it would have to be so expensive - the Iphone is a good start, but with all of its implicit (no flash, no cut-and-paste, too big, poor resolution...) and synthetic (restrictive Apple policies) limitations it's no alternative.
I did not intend to create a discussion like this, I wanted to let all of you participate in the execution of my phone, that's what the poll is for. I am SURE that very many people from this board will watch the video once it's there. I am not torturing lab mice here, it's just a phone so no need to get excited.
If you really want to destroy such a nice device id say go with boiling water and then shoot the hell out of it :>
I love my diamond with duttys ROM, I was disappointed for a while after i bought it how slow it is (1st ones that came out). but since I had tweaked my old wizard here this didnt feel so hard to do the same for this.
my first Diamond got stolen in Bulgaria and I had insurance choice to take money or new phone, I gone for new Diamond. it had new rom and was pretty fast without any tweaks
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That was BEFORE I started using it beyond the capabilities of an ordinary cell phone, and BEFORE it started hanging or crashing in the middle of a call.
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Definitively a hardware issue. I had a couple of phones like that and they were both fixed in warranty by the manufacturer's service centre.
The problem is that it is hard to distinguish between software issues and hardware problems on a device like Diamond unless you had a working phone in your hand.
Switching between applications is instant, just tried now from inbox to opera running under 1 sec.
Oh and with the Camera lag- it is there on purpose, it is meant to stabilize the picture after pressing the shutter. I have the shutter delay off and it takes the photo within 1/2 sec.
you can double press the camera button to take a instant picture. It has a Auto Focus, which is why it takes a couple of seconds. Length of time does depend on light conditions. more light = quicker to take picture
Hey guy's
I need to remove the fornt and back camers from the device because i'm working in facility which prohibited to enter with camers.
I would like to know if the device will continue to function WITHOUT the camera module?
I mean, if I remove the camera modules from the device, will it function normaly?
Thanks!
good luck
do they even see you've a front camera?
Why don't you get an old crappy phone to use there and your sgs outside ?
Because I need to use some of the features of the device while working
Any1 can please answer my question?
Just tell them you removed it....its not like they will break your phone
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I doubt anyone here will know.. If you are good with electronics, check the way they are connected to the mainboard. But realistically, you can only try it. Not sure if both cameras would be connected to a separate board though
I've broken down PDAs and smart phones over the years and even done a lens replacement and a camera module replacement on an iPhone. I can tell you right now the time cost and angst are not nearly worth the effort. For example the back case replacement on the iPhone 3G requires an almost complete tear-down of the device minus thankfully separating the glass screen from the digitizer and the LCD. I do not do this repair in my business because the cost and time is worth more then the device its self.
That all said, you have a unique situation that possible requires unique effort. If your company bought the phone for you I would say go for it, with approval of course.
Odd you would need the device but not allowed cameras... you designing a competing device? You wouldn't work in Redmond would you?
Alright enough teasing. Disabling or removing the modules might mess with so many other components or even the OS. Think of it as simple PC with a missing component, sometimes it wont boot without it, even though it seems completely unrelated to the core system. Without being on the design build teem of said device, its a crap shoot it would even run without the modules.
Removing the lenses might be a better option, as silly as that sounds. Just taking one apart is opening a crazy can of worms. And I seriously wish you luck.
Call Samsung and tell them your Q from James Bond maybe they will offer to help. Seriously, try the manufacturer, after they say up and down and over and over again that it will void your warranty, they might just help you.
This site is more about software development, mods and roms, then actual hardware work. Good luck though! And post pictures of the break down... ahhh... with a different camera, ...and not at work. ;-)
Just place some tape over the lens. =)
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Why don't you use some paint?
Then you don't need to ruin the phone.
They can test it and it will not show anything.
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well I guess that you should just dissable it http://www.careace.net/2010/06/09/disassembly-of-the-samsung-galaxy-s/ and remove the lens and tape the wires ..
Can I ask you a question. Are you a spy? Just kidding lol. Looks like you'll have to give this one a go yourself. It's not like people take there cameras out there phones to see if they will boot everyday. If you find out the answer please report back...
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Since paint would not be easy to remove, maybe your workplace would be ok with that? Would look ugly though.
Maybe buy a cheap phone for work and leave the SGS at home or in your car (if you drive).
You sparked my interest, ...I found a fairly good site with a break-down list with pictures and I think a video of the disassembly.
http://www.sprintdroids.com/forum/s...-galaxy-s-torn-down-extensively-detailed.html
Sorry about the jokes before, I just couldn't resist.
A hint on after tear downs, restart up procedures can be odd. The iPhone likes to be restarted up in recovery mode or it wont boot. And stay grounded! Use a grounding wrist strap. One static arc and it will fry any of the multitude of chips.
I have know idea about our Galaxy S's. Read study and Google it a lot. I did my best when I read about all the mistakes and failure people made, and there were many. Over time as this device becomes more popular it will have far more data on the web. Right now its so new not to many people are cracking the cases with being under warranties etc... Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Don
If you use right paint. Use waterbased paint.
You could easy removed it with car polish without damage the lens when you dont want it anymore.
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First off, Do they work? I have one that I've used in three different phones and now I've put it on my Shift. It seems like the signal is a little bit better, but this phone seems to have a harder time getting a signal than my heroc did. My dbd is 99 on my hero with no sticker and about 92 with it. I don't know how to find the dbd on my Shift and also the sticker says this side up, but shouldn't I point it down towards the antenna in the Shift? Isn't it in the bottom of the phone? :]
LOL, um, nope. In fact they can actually BLOCK signal.
1. You're not making any contact with the REAL antenna.
2. Antennas are tuned to 1/4 or 1/2 wavelength of the signal being broadcast.
If you paid for it, you just qualified for the "sucker born every minute" line from P.T. Barnum. Sorry.
I know a bit about antenna theory and design. My amateur radio call sign is KG4AIB and I've been licensed for quite a few years.
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LOL, um, nope. In fact they can actually BLOCK signal.
1. You're not making any contact with the REAL antenna.
2. Antennas are tuned to 1/4 or 1/2 wavelength of the signal being broadcast.
If you paid for it, you just qualified for the "sucker born every minute" line from P.T. Barnum. Sorry.
I know a bit about antenna theory and design. My amateur radio call sign is KG4AIB and I've been licensed for quite a few years.
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Did you also know that putting a convex clear plastic covering over your license plate it will make it so traffic cameras can't take a clear picture of your plate!
Oh and eating grass will make your allergies go away.
Its called the placebo effect; if you believe something will help, and I mean really believe it, your mind believes it to and will act as if it does regardless of all logic to the contrary. Its how those balance wrist-band things work. They tell you that it works and its amazing because it uses anti-sufferage-super-misogynist waves to help you stand up more straight and then you naturally stand up more straight when wearing it. Bingo, they're right.
It was only a few bucks and I just wanted to try it. Thanks for the replies. I didn't think it would actually hurt my signal though. :/
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Oh and eating grass will make your allergies go away.
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Actually.... Getting "grass" injections over time will build up your immunity to grass pollen allergies. Tho won't make them go away. But anyway, this isn't about allergies, nor how many injections I get a week due to allergies.
haha you get a "thank you" for that awesome post.
Haha, thanks for the thanks but it wasn't really meant to be funny. In all seriousness, I'm majorly allergic to dogs as well as most pollens. I get 2x weekly injections to build up a tolerance. Sadly, I'm over 40 yrs old and will probably continue to receive them until the day I die.
oh, and did I say I hate needles with a passion????
I knew you were being serious, because only someone that got "grass injections" would know that info haha. A close friend of mine is a farmer and he is allergic to most things that come from the outdoors... pretty strange.
I used to smoke grass back in the day...
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I used to smoke grass back in the day...
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I almost want to thank you for the LAUGH.
If they actually worked, why wouldn't HTC put them in the phone when they make it?
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If they actually worked, why wouldn't HTC put them in the phone when they make it?
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because they would have to charge you more for the phone? $.35 for the thingy, $.05 for the person attaching it to the back of the phone, $.03 for the person opening the package in which they come, $99.99 for the three lines on the phone's hand book describing the new feature...
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I almost want to thank you for the LAUGH.
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I definitely want to thank you for the laugh it just made my day and sadly I just had my gallblader removed yesterday and even though I may be in pain. It was definately worth it
i have to disagree. It dose work and its not placebo affect. I have documented proof it helps when placed right. The antenna ont he shift is located at the bottom of the phone and thus when ur hand is covering it it knocks down receptoins. the booster stickers made my bars on my phone go up by three. Before i had the sticker i was getting cruddy reseption when i held it now i only go down one bar. I dont know how it improved it but at first it didnt.
I placed in the wrong location the first time the second time i put it on the actual antenna and boom instant increase in reception. not placebo affect at all. I do have to say though the best thing for increasine your phones receptoin is super power in the market and switching your phone to a 2g or 3g only band.
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i have to disagree. It dose work and its not placebo affect. I have documented proof it helps when placed right. The antenna ont he shift is located at the bottom of the phone and thus when ur hand is covering it it knocks down receptoins. the booster stickers made my bars on my phone go up by three. Before i had the sticker i was getting cruddy reseption when i held it now i only go down one bar. I dont know how it improved it but at first it didnt.
I placed in the wrong location the first time the second time i put it on the actual antenna and boom instant increase in reception. not placebo affect at all. I do have to say though the best thing for increasine your phones receptoin is super power in the market and switching your phone to a 2g or 3g only band.
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NOT. you're not making a physical, electrical connection. Therefore, Placebo effect. But if you want to believe, feel free.
No disrespect, but you should also "believe" in a spell checker too.
kinda hard to spell check from the phone.... and how can this be a placebo effect since i have a much higher db and more signal? It works the same way as placing a cd behind a wireless antenna. Please don't make me have to make a you tube video on this just to prove im right. I know all about placebo effect and this dose not fall into that category. Explain this to placebo affect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eI120yQzpk
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kinda hard to spell check from the phone.... and how can this be a placebo effect since i have a much higher db and more signal? It works the same way as placing a cd behind a wireless antenna. Please don't make me have to make a you tube video on this just to prove im right. I know all about placebo effect and this dose not fall into that category. Explain this to placebo affect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eI120yQzpk
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Because every video on youtube is real.
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I saw this one where they unlocked a car with a tennis ball
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llvengancell said:
kinda hard to spell check from the phone.... and how can this be a placebo effect since i have a much higher db and more signal? It works the same way as placing a cd behind a wireless antenna. Please don't make me have to make a you tube video on this just to prove im right. I know all about placebo effect and this dose not fall into that category. Explain this to placebo affect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eI120yQzpk
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Just a quick observation on that video. First half without the sticker, he held it with left hand. Second half with sticker, held with right hand. Should have done both tests identical.
2 dollars witch is the cost of these stickers isn't much. Most people blow 2 dollars on really silly crazy crap. If you can blow it on candy bars and McDonald's sweet tea then why not spend 2 bucks and try this for yours self. I honestly see a improvement. If i didnt i would not post it on here. This is not a forum to say something when you have no facts. Here are the facts from my experiments.
With out the sticker at work facing the glass window in the direction of the cell phone tower i got 3 bars.
With the sticker facing the same direction with the same variables Full bars.
With out the sticker with only three bars facing the window and the cell tower i could down load at just under 1 meg on the 3g network.
With it i had full coverage and could download at fluxes of under 1 meg and well over about 1.3 to 1.6 and yes wifi was off
I could not tell a difference when making calls how ever and i did notice that with out the sticker if i stood behind the wall can got online i got better reception and with it i got less.
So my Hypothesis is this. With a clear view and to electromagnetic interference you can get improved cell phone coverage with he sticker but if you are near EMI and have the sticker on its like it amplifies it and you have horrible reception.
Don't take my word or the word of any one else just go spend 2 bucks and try it if it fails then stick the sticker on your forehead and see if you get smarter by staring into the sun
I am not trolling, but maybe the N4 isn't for you, I hope you won't close this thread or get to mad, I just want to save some the frustration of buying this device ... here is why
1. OTG USB - it said it had it when I bought it, it doesn't ! This isn't a very "advanced" feature nowadays and is basic. I can't plug in a keyboard, a external drive, or million other things. This would have been a deal breaker for me.
2. The battery isn't very good, having extra batteries is a very good thing, and charging them in a charger with you phone stashed away is a must while traveling sometimes.
3. It is too fragile for many people's daily use, the glass back is expensive to replace, it doesn't have areas made to take impacts like most phones should for use in the real world.
4. An SD card is awesome in a phone, it really is you can do so much in daily productivity with one.
5. It doesn't come with a headset and that sucks big time, ad that to the cost of ownership.
6. JB doesn't have Mass Storage mode, this very important to many people, Samsung still has it thou. Its great as you might want to plug your phone into a strangers mac in the middle of a desert one day and you won't be able to move files.
7. the main camera is under glass, so if you scratch the glass you get bad shots.
8. it is so slippery that you need to have a bumper on it, I dont like cases and bumpers as It is already to big for my pocket naked.
Now I know there is reasons people might love this phone, for playing games plugged in at home, some might care about getting updates ASAP (i dont care at all) It does have a pretty screen, wireless charging... there is lots of reasons you might LOVE this phone, but for ME it is a big huge downgrade from any other "superphone"
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I am not trolling, but maybe the N4 isn't for you, I hope you won't close this thread or get to mad, I just want to save some the frustration of buying this device ... here is why
1. OTG USB - it said it had it when I bought it, it doesn't ! This isn't a very "advanced" feature nowadays and is basic. I can't plug in a keyboard, a external drive, or million other things. This would have been a deal breaker for me.
2. The battery isn't very good, having extra batteries is a very good thing, and charging them in a charger with you phone stashed away is a must while traveling sometimes.
3. It is too fragile for many people's daily use, the glass back is expensive to replace, it doesn't have areas made to take impacts like most phones should for use in the real world.
4. An SD card is awesome in a phone, it really is you can do so much in daily productivity with one.
5. It doesn't come with a headset and that sucks big time, ad that to the cost of ownership.
6. JB doesn't have Mass Storage mode, this very important to many people, Samsung still has it thou. Its great as you might want to plug your phone into a strangers mac in the middle of a desert one day and you won't be able to move files.
7. the main camera is under glass, so if you scratch the glass you get bad shots.
8. it is so slippery that you need to have a bumper on it, I dont like cases and bumpers as It is already to big for my pocket naked.
Now I know there is reasons people might love this phone, for playing games plugged in at home, some might care about getting updates ASAP (i dont care at all) It does have a pretty screen, wireless charging... there is lots of reasons you might LOVE this phone, but for ME it is a big huge downgrade from any other "superphone"
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I looked through your post history and all you do is tell us why you hate this phone. Listen, we don't have Alzheimer so we don't need constant reminding of your opinion. Just get a phone you like and shut up.
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wow this exact same thread was just closed and now he makes the exact same one with different title. No need to reply this is a troll and this thread will be closed too. Hopefully he will be banned too.
:thumbup: cool story bro
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I like this phone, a lot.. I Also thoroughly enjoy a beer with a freshly opened bag of beef jerky..
That is all
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Anyone likes cake?
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Anyone likes cake?
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Cake up in the face? Not even on my birthday
I am not trolling, but maybe the N4 isn't for you, I hope you won't close this thread or get to mad, I just want to save some the frustration of buying this device ... here is why
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you can't decide that.
1. OTG USB - it said it had it when I bought it, it doesn't ! This isn't a very "advanced" feature nowadays and is basic. I can't plug in a keyboard, a external drive, or million other things. This would have been a deal breaker for me.
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I guess this was told before the release
2. The battery isn't very good, having extra batteries is a very good thing, and charging them in a charger with you phone stashed away is a must while traveling sometimes.
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again was told even before you bought it
3. It is too fragile for many people's daily use, the glass back is expensive to replace, it doesn't have areas made to take impacts like most phones should for use in the real world.
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glass back gives a nice feel to the phone unlike the plasticy Samsung phones (bear in mind even they are slippery and flimsy)
4. An SD card is awesome in a phone, it really is you can do so much in daily productivity with one.
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again was told even before you bought it
5. It doesn't come with a headset and that sucks big time, ad that to the cost of ownership.
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you get what you pay for.
6. JB doesn't have Mass Storage mode, this very important to many people, Samsung still has it thou. Its great as you might want to plug your phone into a strangers mac in the middle of a desert one day and you won't be able to move files.
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I stick a usb into my mac and the phone at the other end and I can transfer files to the n4.
7. the main camera is under glass, so if you scratch the glass you get bad shots.
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same with 90% of the phones out there.
8. it is so slippery that you need to have a bumper on it, I dont like cases and bumpers as It is already to big for my pocket naked.
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don't buy it then..but it's for you to decide for yourself not for others
Now I know there is reasons people might love this phone, for playing games plugged in at home, some might care about getting updates ASAP (i dont care at all) It does have a pretty screen, wireless charging... there is lots of reasons you might LOVE this phone, but for ME it is a big huge downgrade from any other "superphone"
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again it's your personal opinion bro.
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I love this phone//N4 FTW \m/
like a boss
Like I said, don't get mad Bro's, why would you all be so defensive ? It's all good.
Lots of people would LOVE this phone, I said it.
When I ordered it said it had OTG on page, that is fraud in some peoples book, I guess you guys don't care, but I was mislead about a very important basic feature, it almost makes the phone useless, I need OTG more than any other single feature.
If you need phone in the outdoors, this isn't the phone for you, if you need it to move files as easy as you can, this isn't a good phone, if you need lots of battery power, this isnt the phone.
There is lots of reason this may be the prefect phone for you, but for me it isn't.
I am pissed about the cheap construction and the OTG thing, and no headset, those I didin't know when I ordered original.
Your so brainwashed you want to ban someone that isn't agreeing with you ? little hitlers are you ?
What a geeky forum this is, I am not insulting your girlfriend or mom, or yoru race or anything worth getting mad about, I am saying this phone is a big bummer for me all around and I voiced my concerns. You can't handle the debate as you can't really explain why a SD , removable battery, OTG, and a less likely to crack phone isn't good for any usefull reason other than someone has told you it feels better, cloud storage is better and you are find with one battery.
Ok, I guess I am a revoultioanry compared to the sheep around here, I am just being rational. You are not.
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wow this exact same thread was just closed and now he makes the exact same one with different title. No need to reply this is a troll and this thread will be closed too. Hopefully he will be banned too.
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wow, ban someone for not liking their new phone ? That sounds like something a troll would enjoy doing, or Hitler might have, silence the critics scotty, we can't let the bad news out, kill them all ! Black debates where you can't win you just say something like someome is a troll. You are a insecure dude, get a life, it is just a consumer device.
But you have already made these points and have had a thread closed, so why post it again? You lose credibility then and most of your issues are quite subjective to say the least. And to top it off, no headset? What, you mean no cheap tacky headset that is usually replaced by a much better one by the user, isn't included in this phone which is pretty much atleast £100 ($150 to $200) below the cost of other similar phones? And that is an issue? hahaha ok!
they closed my thread because it was in the Q+A forum, fair enough, so I put it in the general forum.
Nothing offensive about my posts of anything, your just mad that I think of this rationally and not like some fairy tale.
I see lots of posts of people complaining about their phones for others to learn from.
It was the people here that convinced me to buy this and not the S2x for $140 less in price, so I wanted to say why I wasn't happy in the end.
This phones isn't as useful to me than others and I said why.
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But you have already made these points and have had a thread closed, so why post it again? You lose credibility then and most of your issues are quite subjective to say the least. And to top it off, no headset? What, you mean no cheap tacky headset that is usually replaced by a much better one by the user, isn't included in this phone which is pretty much atleast £100 ($150 to $200) below the cost of other similar phones? And that is an issue? hahaha ok!
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No thats the thing it is $150 US more expensive that a comparable and for ME a much more usefull phone the SSGS2x with 1.5 gig pro, 1 gig memory, OTG !!!!!, NFC, SD CARD STORAGE !!!!, removable battery, Mass Storage Mode, and many other things that make it FAR better than the N4 For ME for WORK and TRAVEL. I don't watch movies or play games.
Your issues are of course valid but could have easily gone in any off the numerous threads already posted, especially considering none of your issues are unique in any way shape or form. In fact most of them are pretty obvious from just looking at the spec sheet.
Mmmmmmm you had me at beer and Jerky
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OMG dude you forgot:
-> doesn't have LTE
-> new ones aren't glittery
-> google can't keep up with demand and/or LG sucks at manufacturing
-> power button is too hard to reach
seriously go buy a phone you like if you hate this one so much.
Why post such a negative impression
Seems like your thoughts belong in another thread. Love the phone.
Performance is terrific and so open and easy to try new things.'
Got to love the abilty to tweak and play.
blendobass said:
wow, ban someone for not liking their new phone ? That sounds like something a troll would enjoy doing, or Hitler might have, silence the critics scotty, we can't let the bad news out, kill them all ! Black debates where you can't win you just say something like someome is a troll. You are a insecure dude, get a life, it is just a consumer device.
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for trolling, which is what you are doing. Everything you wrote has been said here many times before, you are not discussing anything new. If you are such a rational thinker then why did you buy this phone when there are so many problems with it? Blaming xda because you bought this phone and are not happy with it makes you the sheep.
I would have to agree with the above statement.
I hope the N5 will bring back the things I mentioned I like, its frustrating with new stuff, one step forward, two sideways, one back...
Otherwise, I admit is a beauty in the hand, fast as hell, pretty to look at, I love vanila android.
Here is another thing I LOVE about this phone - for some reason on my cheap proxy browsing with speak out 711 $10 a month, all my apps are working right out of the box, I don't know why, but it made my cheap browsing only plan unlimited data.