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Integrated Antenna

What do people think about integrated antennas like these:
http://store.mp3car.com/Roof_top_GPS_Cellular_PCS_WiFi_antenna_p/com-008.htm
I am thinking about getting one like this for my car obviously to up the gps and cellular signal strength.
A question I have for any TyTn II experts, Which antenna does the WiFi use, is it integrated into the cellular antenna or gps or neither?

Neither, I believe all three have their own internal antennas. I say this because I have seen the internal photos of the Hermes and Trinity (which has GPS) and they had seperate small antennas. The Kaiser has two external antenna ports but after bricking my 1st Hermes by plugging an external antenna in and having it kill my radio, I'll never play the external game again. Besides it seems to work very well on all radios, even simultaneously, without externals.

I Would Have To Go With All In A 3 In One (technicaly)
FROM MY EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ALL WORK WITH THE RIGHT DRIVERS.
hOW EVER BEING ABSTRACT I WOULD SAY SINCE I BELIEVE MOST OF ALL THE PHONES HAVE GPS BUILT IN and THAT THE WRITE DRIVER SHOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE antenna FROM THE PHONE WHICH HAS MORE THAN ONE WIRE IN IT.
external NOW YOUR TALKING SOME EXTRA BOOST JUST FOR YOUR CONNECTION TO IT.
YOU CANT GO WRONG, TRICK IS ALL ABOUT TIME AND EFFICIENCY COST IS PERSONAL OPINION[
good luck

The first photo is with the rubber grommet off and you can see the hole that goes through to the documented external GPS antenna. In the red circle is a piece of plastic that is blocking another external antenna port.
The 2nd photo is with the whole back off and inside the circle again you can see the extra antenna port.

aboutthemind said:
FROM MY EXPERIENCE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ALL WORK WITH THE RIGHT DRIVERS.
hOW EVER BEING ABSTRACT I WOULD SAY SINCE I BELIEVE MOST OF ALL THE PHONES HAVE GPS BUILT IN and THAT THE WRITE DRIVER SHOULD GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE antenna FROM THE PHONE WHICH HAS MORE THAN ONE WIRE IN IT.
external NOW YOUR TALKING SOME EXTRA BOOST JUST FOR YOUR CONNECTION TO IT.
YOU CANT GO WRONG, TRICK IS ALL ABOUT TIME AND EFFICIENCY COST IS PERSONAL OPINION
good luck
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1. Stop yelling!
2. Most phones do NOT have GPS built-in.
3. You don't need drivers to use an external antenna. It's a physical connection.
4. Get your facts straight.
5. I like the antenna. Now if it had an XM antenna in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It would also work great for wardriving (not with my Tilt, but with my laptop)

Another Fan i apologize for not being clear
Lidberg said:
1. Stop yelling!
Please refrain from giving me orders!
2. Most phones do NOT have GPS built-in.
Actually they do to eliminate have to change a board already n production. besides the kaiser is older like 5 years then an mda.
3. You don't need drivers to use an external antenna. It's a physical connection.
Who said anything about drivers for the XM Radio antenna. I said Driversfor the internal gps antena. Read the kaiser wiki... the wiki for the pre-installed gps module.
4. Get your facts straight.
Well this is the part where tell you my way of thinking. I dont read so bare with me considering i am self taught and taking over a hundred different phones apart i can even say with out knowing that they stopped the technology cause 1000 features that are to advanced become a forum!!!!
Again if you are a HTC technician or a hardware engineer for any of the pocket pc device i will with draw any of my comments.
How ever of your here for fun and to learn do a litle bit of home work before you accidentally insult some one willing to read your opinion.
Hope i was a little bit better in explaining what i meant
ciao
5. I like the antenna. Now if it had an XM antenna in it, I would buy it in a heartbeat. It would also work great for wardriving (not with my Tilt, but with my laptop)
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This can be done

People don't like when you use ALL CAPS. It looks like you're yelling at them.
The way you made your statement, it sounded like you needed drivers for the GPS antenna, which is not true. You need drivers to utilize the GPS radio. Two different things. You even got the two mixed up in the same post.
I seriously doubt the Kaiser is 5 years old. Where are you getting this information??
Personally I think your statements tend to ramble and be incoherent, but I digress. The Kaiser is an excellent phone. I love having built-in GPS. I am probably going to buy an external GPS antenna for it, although it really doesn't need it. I can even get 2-3 birds inside my house.

aboutthemind said:
Actually they do to eliminate have to change a board already n production. besides the kaiser is older like 5 years then an mda.
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What does this mean? That HTC or other cell phone manufacturer are removing components on a board they've already produced before they release a new phone? Why on earth would they do that when they could save the cost of buying the additional circuitry in the first place and just order a run of what they want?
I said Driversfor the internal gps antena.
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Antennae don't require drivers. Circuits do. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
...they stopped the technology cause 1000 features that are to advanced become a forum!!!!
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This doesn't make any sense.
Again if you are a HTC technician or a hardware engineer for any of the pocket pc device i will with draw any of my comments.
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I'm neither, but I believe you need to withdraw your comments.
Hope i was a little bit better in explaining what i meant
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Not really, no. It sounds like you're saying the Kaiser is using a board that's five years old and has physically had circuits removed from it because HTC didn't want to provide all of the features/functions that they could. I sincerely doubt that this is the case, since they'll produce a couple million of these things and paying even $1 extra for circuits they'll remove and labor to remove them makes no sense when they can order up a board that they want and get it for cheaper.
Throw in that you posted in all caps (considered rude by just about everyone) and then provided information that just doesn't add up, I'm not surprised you got push back.

Again i apologize for beining insulted and for any misrepresentation
I really don't feel like explaining my self, so if you feel that i am attacking you i apologize.
considering that i have simply stated a an opinion and you have managed to exert the fact that you do not respect others. i will respond.
and seriously just take what you like in theory and leave the stuff that you dont like.
I am not going to explain that typing is not the easiest thing for me. please don't mistake that for a representation of how i deal with people.
PerfAlbion said:
What does this mean? That HTC or other cell phone manufacturer are removing components on a board they've already produced before they release a new phone? Why on earth would they do that when they could save the cost of buying the additional circuitry in the first place and just order a run of what they want?
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PerfAlbion said:
Wow now were ar talking so a little lesson in busines 101 agan i can only base this on doing business in the us for over ten years this is not to have you answer me back
cost of labor for most manufacture is far greater than the price of parts in bulk.
out of respect for the people reading this ill stop thier.
Antennae don't require drivers. Circuits do. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.sorry for confusing the the exact words i was trying to offend everyone are you kidding me
1000 features that no one needs
This doesn't make any sense.
ok so since your opinion is not completely biast this again alies the theaory of an article in a vry small country called he us have youu heard of it?
Seriuosley i am in no mood to go over every line to some one that is biast to my comment that all of a sudden became an issue.
Listen genious and i do say geneous with respect the fact is and this goes for all. technology has far supercede the cash cow(people who buy, consumers, money, what makes the world go round)
i noticed after getting into the bigger phones like the 1700 and the BA and the hermes that they all look the same or have very similar compositions.
I came to the conclusion that they all had gps in them from a market professional stand pioint. So really just appriciate some input.
You want the facts well yeh its but so what i was trying to give some input before you reminded me that i wll end up having to type for an hour cause a genious felt it necessary to chalenge me.
I'm neither, but I believe you need to withdraw your comments.
Ok no problem please understand i was giving input and you decided to insult me.
I openly withdraw any comment i have ever made that you feel is not worthy as another member put it and if you would like me to say that i am sorry posting i do.
Not really, no. It sounds like you're saying
the Kaiser is using a board that's five years old and has physically had circuits removed from it because HTC didn't want to provide all of the features/functions that they could.
no one said anything about removal, baords for the most part have alot of he circuits on them it makes it vary easy to acomplish global standards and upgrades and maximizing profit by making upgrades look tangible.
I sincerely doubt that this is the case, since they'll produce a couple million of these things and paying even $1 extra for circuits they'll remove and labor to remove them makes no sense when they can order up a board that they want and get it for cheaper.
I agree that would make no sense thats why i would nt say it i see where your coming from.
Throw in that you posted in all caps (considered rude by just about everyone) and then provided information that just doesn't add up,
I'm not surprised you got push back.
i wouldnt know but i apriciate yur interest in my curent position and standings may be you could show me how i can get pms cause its very hard for me to read i have add and typing is the worst,
What a waste of time and energy i apologize to anyone having to read this
you see chief i didn't ven relize that that the caps lock was on but since you decide to think now i will tell you the system i use wich is also a system i created because of you thinking for me requires caps lock to be own as well as the state of ca on documents.
so again i apologize
record time MIKE 1:15 mins
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bazzatron said:
The first photo is with the rubber grommet off and you can see the hole that goes through to the documented external GPS antenna. In the red circle is a piece of plastic that is blocking another external antenna port.
The 2nd photo is with the whole back off and inside the circle again you can see the extra antenna port.
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Thanks for the visual thats what i am talking about
back to the real question
i would look for any type of after market booster car kit easiest way is google the word china after it and you would be shocked what youll find they can pretty much customize anything the word to use for phones in china is not cellular or htc.. pocket pc
"mobile phone"
is the key word attached to gps car kit or what ever
always request a sample good luck only sugestion i am not an expert

sorry about the caps didnt see it
Lidberg said:
People don't like when you use ALL CAPS. It looks like you're yelling at them.
The way you made your statement, it sounded like you needed drivers for the GPS antenna, which is not true. You need drivers to utilize the GPS radio. Two different things. You even got the two mixed up in the same post.
again tabgled up up a bit my bad
I seriously doubt the Kaiser is 5 years old. Where are you getting this information??
well not to be a drag but the hermes is been around for ages and again not to be rude but the kaiser is not the first phone to have a total new build. just some awsome exploited adjustments.
Personally I think your statements tend to ramble and be incoherent, but I digress.
well i guess everyone has an opinion but no need to insult me
The Kaiser is an excellent phone. I love having built-in GPS. I am probably going to buy an external GPS antenna for it, although it really doesn't need it. I can even get 2-3 birds inside my house.
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Kool let me know how it goes
if i get around to it
i am assuming it can hook into a car via blue toothe???????

aboutthemind said:
sue.
Listen genious and i do say geneous with respect the fact is and this goes for all. technology has far supercede the cash cow(people who buy, consumers, money, what makes the world go round)
i noticed after getting into the bigger phones like the 1700 and the BA and the hermes that they all look the same or have very similar compositions.
I came to the conclusion that they all had gps in them from a market professional stand pioint.
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Don't insult us by calling us "genius". There are a lot of very smart people on this board. Without their help, my phone wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
You made a pretty broad assumption that if one or two phones have GPS built-in, then all of them do. The fact is, very few phones have GPS built-in. My last phone, the 8525, was a very good phone with lots of features. It's less than a year old and it doesn't have GPS. Go ahead and keep making those assumptions and you'll stand out as someone who doesn't know how to do any kind of research. You will make yourself look like a fool.
P.S. Spell check is your friend. Use it.

Actually the 8525 does have GPS! However, after in-depth investigation these XDA folks identified that while the IC Chipset did have GPS as part of it's standard fratures, HTC shorted those particular pins to ground on the circuit board and did not include the internal amp and antenna assembly as well so it was impossible to make it work on them without major micro surgery. The Trinity, however, had the components and thru software was able to have it's GPS come to life. But certainly all phones don't have Chipsets with integrated GPS.
I would agree that many companies will use a particular chip and elect NOT to provide all of the features at first release or for specific models, that is normal marketing driven buisness and gives us reasons to buy the next model.
XDA certainly has made it possible for us all to reap the collective tinkering experience and get more from the phones we have and sometimes get these hidden features with a little work.
No disrespect "aboutthemind", but I must agree that your text is a challenge to understand, but I'm always amazed at the worldwide, round-the-clock, activity on this forum. I've learned so much here.

RemE said:
Actually the 8525 does have GPS! However, after in-depth investigation these XDA folks identified that while the IC Chipset did have GPS as part of it's standard fratures, HTC shorted those particular pins to ground on the circuit board and did not include the internal amp and antenna assembly as well so it was impossible to make it work on them without major micro surgery. The Trinity, however, had the components and thru software was able to have it's GPS come to life. But certainly all phones don't have Chipsets with integrated GPS.
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I remember that discussion well about the 8525 GPS. I think one guy even had the GPS working, but only by disassembling the phone and having wires running everywhere. Not exactly portable...

Lidberg said:
I remember that discussion well about the 8525 GPS. I think one guy even had the GPS working, but only by disassembling the phone and having wires running everywhere. Not exactly portable...
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Actually they got the GPS chip activated but could receive no valid data since the antenna bits were not present, they investigated the internal components and determined that it was basically not worth the effort to attempt to unsoldier all of the grounded pins on the chip and then get an amp/bandpass filter and antenna installed. No one ever got a 8525 to work and the project halted, but along came Kaiser!

Here's another one: http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=151025 much cheaper too, but only to be placed on the dash. Probably work just as good though.

My Wing has only one external connection. I bought a 3 watt Wilson booster which then goes to a Yagi (one directional antenna). Its awesome the reception I get. Costs about $300.00 to do all this.

ok no gps in 8525 and aboutthemind is a fool Y N
Lidberg said:
Don't insult us by calling us "genius". There are a lot of very smart people on this board. Without their help, my phone wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
You made a pretty broad assumption that if one or two phones have GPS built-in, then all of them do. The fact is, very few phones have GPS built-in. My last phone, the 8525, was a very good phone with lots of features. It's less than a year old and it doesn't have GPS. Go ahead and keep making those assumptions and you'll stand out as someone who doesn't know how to do any kind of research. You will make yourself look like a fool.
P.S. Spell check is your friend. Use it.
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let me ask you a question, what gives you the right to speak for another person, I would you like to help the gentle man that was here for help cause i am confused as to why you want me to engage in this. i will if we can all end up with a gps that also gives you real-time police positions. Linberg i strongly sugest you bring a positive opinion to this one cause so far your not really contributing to a solution.
With all due respect sir, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have addressed the typing and by the looks of it i don't think u get that you my friend are assuming that i am just swing info from my hip.
your right but it from my eyes and hands threw my head to a yellow box so you can see.
now the comment you made finished this so at least we know that your old phone has a gps in it what else can we add to the gentle mans question..
yes i am a fool for answering you but i'll just pass cause i have no interest in your theory due to the nature of your comments.
gps is in the 8525 and yes you can take apart a phone. and im gane i got one in pieces so no is the time but the kaisers 8525 so the fun is one and that is poff's world i would start by maybe doing some reading on his work mans a guru
Mike I'm trying my best but out of respect for the genius members all of them including this guy . i can't take another comment with out losing character.
Mr Lindberg i regret to inform you that calling people fool and names and insulting my dyslexias probably cost you. I like the name very historical but again i will only ask you one more time do not insult me and do not speak for the team

yes we have lift off
zcink said:
My Wing has only one external connection. I bought a 3 watt Wilson booster which then goes to a Yagi (one directional antenna). Its awesome the reception I get. Costs about $300.00 to do all this.
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yeah thats what I'm talking about i like it. can yu post a link

aboutthemind said:
let me ask you a question, what gives you the right to speak for another person, I would you like to help the gentle man that was here for help cause i am confused as to why you want me to engage in this. i will if we can all end up with a gps that also gives you real-time police positions. Linberg i strongly sugest you bring a positive opinion to this one cause so far your not really contributing to a solution.
With all due respect sir, please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I have addressed the typing and by the looks of it i don't think u get that you my friend are assuming that i am just swing info from my hip.
your right but it from my eyes and hands threw my head to a yellow box so you can see.
now the comment you made finished this so at least we know that your old phone has a gps in it what else can we add to the gentle mans question..
yes i am a fool for answering you but i'll just pass cause i have no interest in your theory due to the nature of your comments.
gps is in the 8525 and yes you can take apart a phone. and im gane i got one in pieces so no is the time but the kaisers 8525 so the fun is one and that is poff's world i would start by maybe doing some reading on his work mans a guru
Mike I'm trying my best but out of respect for the genius members all of them including this guy . i can't take another comment with out losing character.
Mr Lindberg i regret to inform you that calling people fool and names and insulting my dyslexias probably cost you. I like the name very historical but again i will only ask you one more time do not insult me and do not speak for the team
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Sorry man, but I can't make any sense out of what you're trying to say. I didn't put any words into your mouth. I don't know where you got that idea.
You made some pretty broad statements about GPS in phones and I told you that that is not true - most phones do not have GPS built-in. The 8525 has some of the hardware, but it is not a complete, workable solution.
Also, I did not call you a fool. I said you would look like a fool if you made broad statements about phones in general that are not true.
'nuff said.

Removed both cameras!

I removed both cameras on the first day I got my Diamond. I've been looking through the service manual before and felt primed.
Beforehand I want to tell you I did this already to my Magician and my Hermes - easy like swinging compared to the following.
After nearly 2h everything was put together again (I spare you the dirty and sweaty details). Before I switched on again I already thought about posting here something like "don't do it... it's cumbersome". Ok, then I switched on.
Booting up just fine . Since I touched those sensitive antennae cables I tried my SIM-PIN, works. WLAN & BT, works. Navi (GPS) no signal!
During the next tremulous 4h I tried "everything". Cutting it short: there was a conducting patch grounding the GPS antenna cable . I pushed that cable 5nm (there's actually no room left within the housing - as long as the cameras are still in) below and it all worked again.
To sum it up: don't do it! I mean it: DON'T DO IT. If you're a reckless person - seek some other "joy".
Why am I posting in ROM dev.: Maybe someone has too much time and wants to save me some storage space and wants to cook me a ROM without camera stuff OR someone is in need of a tester for special software (e.g. 1st torch software for Magician needed the camera, my own software later on didn't need a camera and was much more lean and fast).
PS: If you still wonder why I actually did that -> company policy.

Dont know if i should laugh or cry... or go to bed -.-

Couldn't you just spray paint over the camera lenses or put scotch tape on them?

I don't know what to say... other than WTF!

@techdave: You'll be asked "R U carrying a camera-cellphone with U?" at the plant entrance. If the camera is "only" blinded they could get nitpicking and say there still is a camera. But I can "lordly" answer "No".

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@techdave: You'll be asked "R U carrying a camera-cellphone with U?" at the plant entrance. If the camera is "only" blinded they could get nitpicking and say there still is a camera. But I can "lordly" answer "No".
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but now you can reply, no i have fully maimed my thousand dollar smartphone in honour of this company!

Wow, extreme measures!

racerx_ said:
but now you can reply, no i have fully maimed my thousand dollar smartphone in honour of this company!
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Haha only temporarily, he can put them back when he quits because he gets sick of a Diamond with no camera.

@racerx_: Don't exaggerate. It's neither that expensive nor is it maimed (luckily). There's been always little use for these cheap CMOS sensors for me.

hey, do your company guards know that you can bring your cameras in separate pocket and then reassemble it back at the facility? ;-)

Carrying the cameras would violate company policies itself - no matter whether in conjunction with a suitable device or not. Technically you'd also bring a USB-Cam, LAN-Cam and whatever cam.
I've got nothing more than a usual cell phone with added holes. Would this be violating? Almost every cell phone has got bluetooth capability. So what about bluetooth cams? Ooops. Is every (BT-)phone now violating the above policy?

What are you on man? Whatever it is its kicking in awesome.

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Carrying the cameras would violate company policies itself - no matter whether in conjunction with a suitable device or not. Technically you'd also bring a USB-Cam, LAN-Cam and whatever cam.
I've got nothing more than a usual cell phone with added holes. Would this be violating? Almost every cell phone has got bluetooth capability. So what about bluetooth cams? Ooops. Is every (BT-)phone now violating the above policy?
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I guess the policy is not to carry cameras, otherwise the policy would probably have been not to carry any communication device. Carrying a device with holes but with no camera's would be acceptable then. If not, you'd also have to remove the BT and the WiFi, since there are probably cameras out there that can communicate with BT or WiFi. If you are going to remove that, please take pictures (if you still can without the camera)? LOL
How did you move the GPS grounding cable a stunning distance of 5 nm? Is that cable fixed enough not to vibrate back while using the device?
I must say, I should go to sleep, did not cry, but felt a joy while reading your thread. Nice one! Thanx

Can we put a third camera on Diamond ?

Some pictures pls! Thanks!

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...there are probably cameras out there that can communicate with BT or WiFi.
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That was my argument already! If BT and/or Wifi are allowed, then should be mine as well.
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How did you move the GPS grounding cable a stunning distance of 5 nm? Is that cable fixed enough not to vibrate back while using the device?
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Well, 5nm were of course disproportionate. But yes, the cable is bendable. Although I wouldn't push it more than needed. Till now it didn't resume position because my device still knows where it is (although I don't know all the time).
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I must say, I should go to sleep, did not cry, but felt a joy while reading your thread. Nice one! Thanx
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Great. Let's see in a 1-2 years when I'm disassembling the brand new HTC [disclosed]... :-D
panosha said:
Can we put a third camera on Diamond ?
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Where would you wanna do that? On the side? Two next to each other for stereography?
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Some pictures pls! Thanks!
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I'll see what I can do. But I'm not gonna dismantle my baby again (unless I'm forced to).

I would be lucky if we were allowed to use phones with *removed* cameras. We have to prove, that it was a cameraless device from the beginning (like in: go to shop, buy without camera). Not sure if there's a official (i.e. AT&T) version of the diamond without camera.
(oh, and I regularly disassemble my smartphones when they get sick, nothing to worry about)

i demand pictures! ...so where do you work? BAHAHHA

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I would be lucky if we were allowed to use phones with *removed* cameras. We have to prove, that it was a cameraless device from the beginning (like in: go to shop, buy without camera). Not sure if there's a official (i.e. AT&T) version of the diamond without camera.
(oh, and I regularly disassemble my smartphones when they get sick, nothing to worry about)
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Yea, AT&T sells the Fuze with no camera. I guess you have to buy it through the business site or via phone though...

bigb252 said:
Yea, AT&T sells the Fuze with no camera. I guess you have to buy it through the business site or via phone though...
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which is exactly where I can't get from germany But at least there's a minimal chance then on the bay

is a weight scale possible on my phone?

I was told by a friend that there was a phone out there that could be used as a weight scale. I didn't really believe it but the more I thought about it the more i thought it could be possible. I've been searching on all the fuze sites i've come across with no luck. So my question is this is it possible to use a phone as a weight scale and if so is there something out there to get my fuze to do this?

Sure there is! Solder a load cell and H bar to your phone, install the scale board and viola! NCR eat your heart out!

wouldn't that make your phone sticky?....or dusty?....

So are you planning on standing on your phone?

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So are you planning on standing on your phone?
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My thoughts exactly what do you legally plan on weighing on your fuze? w.e I would like to know as well as it would just be cool to have.

i personally don't think he intends on standing on his phone,
so obviously he wants it for something smaller,
which i'm 99.9% positive that it won't be something legal.
but i know i would like this also,
possibly for the same reasons.

this has been discussed in the past on the kaiser forum and im sure on previous devices..it CANT be done..the pressue required to register ANYTHING from the hardware to the software is too much to weigh "illegal" things lol AND the phone onyl records pressure at only ONE given point at a time and that surface area is TOO SMALL to weight anything because if you have something even a centimeter on the screen it wont register..so it isnt possible..sorry

Aww, too bad it won't work. This would be of tremendous use to people like, say, biologists who study small animals in the field (like me), lots of other scientific applications, jewelers, DJs (just a few that come to mind). There's a decent-sized market out there for portable scales that most people don't know about, since they're usually used for such specialized (and legal ) purposes. However, I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable using my new $X00 phone as a lab instrument!

thanks for the info. thats too bad its not possible. i thought it would be cool and come in handy for whatever purposes i had, legal or otherwise lol

yah it would be very cool. maybe in the future it will be possible just like the blackberry storm uses the whole screen as a button and maybe the whole screen can be set on a actual hardware scale insted of a button mechanism...

ha... hahaha... hahahahahaha
"No officer, that is just my phone"
Wouldn't the razor scratch the finish?

Radimus said:
ha... hahaha... hahahahahaha
"No officer, that is just my phone"
Wouldn't the razor scratch the finish?
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Well the Iphone supports multi-touch and has a very very scratch resistant screen

well, if he can make a gram scale out of his phone, I want to make hollow stylii

iPhone is Lookin' Pretty Stylish

hxxp://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/07/13/iphone.4.duct.tape/index.html?hpt=C1
Look's like we win in the style category as well.

Muahahahaha! ROFLAO!!!

...and still people are desperatly wanting this phone. Is obvious that Apple iPhones are fashion gadgets..

I told you, Duct tape fixes EVERYTHING!!!
It's funny because I first heard of this in an article where they declared the iPhone 4 the best smartphone available today except they couldn't recommend buying it because it had a very very bad reception problem!?!?!
The best part was in the comments where everyone says, "iPhone pwns! U can fix teh receptoin probs with tape"
Seriously?
If I had to resort that low just to make my PHONE work... I would take it back. Apple needs to do a recall before they get themselves into serious trouble. It's defective right out of the box and that's pretty sad.

I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.

I did it on both my co-workers phone and the signal died completely after about 4 seconds.

Ryjabo said:
I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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The problem is real, and it's just as bad as they're making it seem. I bought an iPhone 4 on launch day to replace my aging 3G. I had seriously considered a Nexus One, but the gyro, front camera and absurdly high res display convinced me to stick with iPhone. I had the phone for 2 weeks before I returned it and got a Nexus One to replace it and I couldn't be happier.
I returned it pretty much entirely because of the antenna issue, which I will try to describe for you. For what follows I'm referring to placing a single finger over the left corner and not touching the phone in any other way.
If you're in a strong signal area, you won't notice a thing and it's not at all an issue. If you're in an average or weak signal area (not 5 bars to start with, or barely 5 bars) then you'll lose signal almost entirely. At my house when I went from phone on table untouched to phone on table with one finger on the lower left, my SpeedTest went from ~1Mbps to not being able to ping out. Audio was identical, as I shifted my finger on the left of the phone I could on command make the audio drop out on calls, and then the call itself if I left if for long enough.
Apple has a serious problem on their hands, and their refusing to admit it has me, along with a lot of other people, quite annoyed. If they'd have offered me a free bumper I'd probably have kept the phone, but they didn't and claimed there wasn't a problem, so I'm a Nexus One owner now.

Ryjabo said:
I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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Yeah this is the same thing my brother who owns an iPhone 4 keeps saying. Meanwhile, he's dropped at least 20 calls on me since he got it and he always blames ATT. Yesterday he said it dropped because he was in a mall. I guess the iPhone 4 can't make calls in malls now....?
I thought this all was funny at first but at this point I loathe talking to him when he's using his iPhone 4 anymore. Wish he'd just go back to his damn 3GS

Ryjabo said:
I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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It only happens when you are in a medium to low signal area. Just today I went to the ATT store here, and all 4 iPhones went from 5 bars to zero when I touched the lower left spot. Signal was around -80 dBm in the store. All iPhones have this design flaw, just depends on how strong the network around you is.

Ryjabo said:
I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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What you are misunderstanding is that this issue does NOT automatically drop the reception to 0. The actual issue is that it reduces the signal by 20 dB.
If you are in absolutely perfect and strong reception, a 20 dB drop will be unnoticeable. This is why you and those other people say they "don't have this problem". You are just in an area with strong reception.
Not everyone is as lucky.
The ONLY way to know for sure is to use an app similar to the one Engadget uses: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/consumer-reports-confirms-iphone-4-antenna-problems-and-so-do/
Care to make a video of the signal not dropping even a single dB when gripping it like they do?

Ryjabo said:
I work for a web hosting company, and as such myself and many coworkers are geeks. I know quite a few people here that have the new iPhone4's and not one of them has this problem, nor are they able to duplicate it (which I witnessed). We even stepped through videos of people showing how to make it happen.
I don't think this problem is as widespread as the media is making it seem.
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I walked into a room full of iphones after release day at college. I showed them how to 'magically' hang up on someone without doing anything but holding the phone :')
Trust me, it affects ALL iphone 4s.

brb getting a new iphone and rewriting jokes so the punchline is "iphone"
A bear walks into a bar in a mall in sioux falls. The bartender is talking on his new iphone and the bear says "Gimme your iphone"
and the bartender says "I'm sorry, but we don't let bears make calls in the malls in sioux falls"
The bear says "Gimme your iphone or Im gonna eat that girl at the end of the bar"
The bartender says "I'm sorry, but we don't let bears make calls in the malls in sioux falls"
So the bear eats a girl at the end of the bar and says "Now give me your iphone or I'm going to eat you."
the bartender says "we don't give phones to drug addict bears"
the bear says "what do you mean, drug addict?"
the bartender says "that girl at the end of the bar - that was a bar-*****-u-ate"

Why are there so much iphone thread in the Nexus One forum again?
Discuss this somewhere else.

What the hell is up with all of the iphone posts here? Who cares, go post in General or something.

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I just saw a new iPhone 4 commercial.
A Dad is trying to get his daughter to smile over facetime...so sweet hey.
Hes holding the phone in his right hand with no contact on the bottom left corner....too funny.

Phone signal deathgrip

Saw this , probaly old new but i thought apple were lying when they said when you hold a phone a certian way it will loose signal tried this out on my hero and it dropped to 0 bars although it did take 2 hands covering most of the phone ;
http://www.techi.com/2010/07/apple-posts-motorola-droid-x-death-grip-video/

Sad to admit, I notice the same with my nexus. Not as pronounced as the iPhone, but it happens.

With my nexus I have to put it in a nuclear bunker for it to lose signal. lol.
j/k but I do sometimes lose signal and have no bars in some basements. My friend with at Droid has bars in a basement where there is no sign of life while mine doesnt. FUUUU AT&T

While it takes a deathgrip for most phones to lose signal, the thing about the iphone 4 is that it can happen with a carefully placed fingertip.
Something Apple didn't want to go into when asked after trying to suggest the iphone problem was no different to other phones.

Haha yep

I noticed this with my Hero too, it is easiest done when holding the phone in a U shape with my fingers up the side and covering the back. But like xaccers said, the iphone only needs a finger!
I have noticed this on all of my phone I had had to be honest, with possibly the exception of the Omnia HD, but that ran Symbian, so I doubt the signal bars even worked
(Oh and this is mainly a pointless post, to make it 400!)

captainstu72 said:
I noticed this with my Hero too, it is easiest done when holding the phone in a U shape with my fingers up the side and covering the back. But like xaccers said, the iphone only needs a finger!
I have noticed this on all of my phone I had had to be honest, with possibly the exception of the Omnia HD, but that ran Symbian, so I doubt the signal bars even worked
(Oh and this is mainly a pointless post, to make it 400!)
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Haha congrats on the post well then this is a meaningless post to make 717

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Haha congrats on the post well then this is a meaningless post to make 717
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congrats! Pointless post by me to make it 313
On another note:
Of course covering the antenna up will make you lose signal lol.
But I thought apples problem was some sort of short between two parts of the antenna! Hence the reason it can be done with a single finger
I have to hold my HD2 with both hands in the bottom corner to lose even 1 bar

lonelykatana said:
congrats! Pointless post by me to make it 313
On another note:
Of course covering the antenna up will make you lose signal lol.
But I thought apples problem was some sort of short between two parts of the antenna! Hence the reason it can be done with a single finger
I have to hold my HD2 with both hands in the bottom corner to lose even 1 bar
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can't loose signal with my touch hd

My lg goes up two bars when i hold it with two hands!
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flyboyovyick said:
My lg goes up two bars when i hold it with two hands!
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Dare you to walk into your nearest Apple store and do it at them
lonelykatana said:
But I thought apples problem was some sort of short between two parts of the antenna! Hence the reason it can be done with a single finger
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You know that, we know that, heck the whole world knows that, but at the press conference Apple would not discuss that, preferring instead to suggest it was due to normal signal loss like other phones suffer from (if you give them a death grip).

Strangley enough, I can not find any way to hold my old HTC Touch Elf with the death grip to kill signal! Yet another reason to keep that phone as a backup!
And yes, Apple is due to a really bad design which only needs a finger - and it is something they were aware of way before release iirc.

flyboyovyick said:
My lg goes up two bars when i hold it with two hands!
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that's because the plate in your head boosts the antenna's signal!!!

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But I thought apples problem was some sort of short between two parts of the antenna! Hence the reason it can be done with a single finger
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Yeah, apple's problem is crappy design (something you'll never ever get them to admit) as opposed to the negligible problem with EVERY RF transmitter/reciever that covering the aerial will attenuate signal.
What they're illustrating is totally different from their ill thought out antenna design.
Apple should really be made to recall all affected handsets...

is it for every smarphone as steve said? I don't think so...

Not every, but I would say that pretty much most have some symptom of this though, but no where near as extreme as what is being seen on the iPhone 4

Went to vodafone yesterday and tried out the iphone4 and it realy is sensetive touch the bottom left and almost all bars go LoL

Youd think engineers would design the grip like holding john thomas so it didnt break lol
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