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I need opinions please....I'm a litle worried about how usefull is the WM without a "real" keyboard.....
asolano895 said:
I need opinions please....I'm a litle worried about how usefull is the WM without a "real" keyboard.....
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It's a matter of personal preference and what you are grown accustomed to.
There were devices without a hardware keyboard for years, nothing new with the Diamond on that. I used a Prophet before and never missed a "real" keyboard. But then again, I'm no heavy duty SMS'er and I use email only occasionally from my PocketPC. No intense writing/typing actions for me.
If you like the Diamond and need a hardware keyboard why not go for the HTC Touch Pro? In terms of hardware the Touch Pro is slightly better than the Diamond and it has a Keyboard. Although is a bit thicker of course.
WhiT3Kr0w said:
If you like the Diamond and need a hardware keyboard why not go for the HTC Touch Pro? In terms of hardware the Touch Pro is slightly better than the Diamond and it has a Keyboard. Although is a bit thicker of course.
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Not available in my country yet......and it's a little pricey......
but is the ultimate
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but is the ultimate
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Really depends on one´s preference, don´t you think?
While I enjoyed the TyTNII´s keyboard and love to have the Pro´s additional memory, I´m really thrilled by the Diamond´s size and especially weight - now that´s pocketable.....
Again, people will have different preferences (thank god), so don´t be so absolute in your statements.....
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Really depends on one´s preference, don´t you think?
While I enjoyed the TyTNII´s keyboard and love to have the Pro´s additional memory, I´m really thrilled by the Diamond´s size and especially weight - now that´s pocketable.....
Again, people will have different preferences (thank god), so don´t be so absolute in your statements.....
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I'd agree with that. I'm now lucky enough to have both the TYTN II and MDA Vario IV Compact (Diamond) which I got a couple of days ago as a free upgrade. I had the HTC Touch Pro for a day and frankly hated the sluggishness of the stock ROM (fixable I know but I had a very emotional £500 reaction to it !) I'd say I'll probably keep the Diamond and the TYTN II as I can see their are times I'd like a keyboard or a smaller phone with decent email access.
michi123 said:
Really depends on one´s preference, don´t you think?
While I enjoyed the TyTNII´s keyboard and love to have the Pro´s additional memory, I´m really thrilled by the Diamond´s size and especially weight - now that´s pocketable.....
Again, people will have different preferences (thank god), so don´t be so absolute in your statements.....
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That's very true. I like the Diamond better because of it's size. I don't mind not having the keyboard and 4GB are enough for what I need. Also, the better battery can be purchased for the Diamond as well.
.and it's a little pricey......
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Well, put the Diamond with a micrSD card slot, a keyboard, a better battery, camera with flash (Diamond lacks flash) and TV-Out feature and I think the price difference is quite worth it (if you need all that of course)
i changed from artemis to tytn2 because of the keyboard.
after a while i didn't like the size anymore and bought a diamond.
i never had a problem with writing on the on-screen keyboards
btw, battery is about the same, at least for me...
The VGA screen and the pocketableness of the device are well worth the upgrade, however vistual keyboards are never as good as the real thing.
i dunno if people have posted threads about this phone but all i have to say is ive found the answer to all my prayers...personally i think the touch pro needed a biggger screen...i love my tilt but uupgrading to the touch pro will be little different other then size/width,ram/space and VGA display. Which in turn are all very great upgrades, but looking at the iphone, the touch pro neeeds a biggger screen but o well. And I'm not saying that im not going to get the touchpro because i am..just because i still consider it to be a better phone then the iphone for functionality and much more......but tonight ive found the equivelent to the best phone, possibley on the planet...HTC is coming out with
THE HTC TOUCH HD
CNET.COM Asia site has most of the specs but the realy important **** that caught my eye....
3.8" screen 480x800 display with a WVGA screeen resolution
5.0 mega pixel camera
512 megs of onboard rom 256 ram
Qualcomm 7500 processor with close to 600mhz chip
supposed FM radio
weighs 5 ounces!
TouchFlo 3D not 2D
and last but not least...a G-sensor which is like iphone accelerometer which when u flip the phone sideways it turns the frame and rotates the phone screen image.
i mean this is freakin bananas for those who have never seen this phone plz enjoy because thiis thing is goig to dominate and reintroduce HTC again as the major player in th phone market..after the little driver issues with the tilt.
here are more pictures on this site i been on all night comparing the iphone 3G, touch and touch pro with the touch HD
http://dailymobile.se/2008/09/19/pictures-iphone-vs-htc-touch-hd/t
http://dailymobile.se/2008/09/16/htc-touch-hd-specifications/
both these sites show coparison and close up pictures ive attached images with the touch hd and iphone comparison
(look how bright and much clearer the touch hd WVGA screen is to the iphones screen)
this is ridiculous..after i play with the touch pro for a couple months this winter..its going to follow my tilt onto craigslist and be sold, so when this TOUCH HD phone drops for tmobile or ATT in 2009, ill have it and ill be rdy to pay $600 and up for it if i have too because i dont think im gonna buy another phone after the touch hd for atleast 5yrs. gauranteed!
enjoy!
dunno if people have posted threads about this phone(...)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429499
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2646905
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2653733
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426482
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2665750
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425031
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425782
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2624240
and much more over there.
Enough?
yea dood i been gone from xda for like a month...as soon as i saw this thing i had to post just cuz im so freakin amazed ad jumpy. I havent been so siced over a phone since the tilt...the touch pro doesnt have me that thrillled right now but this touch hd is off the hook...if anybody knows the release date or hears anything plz post...mid october is beautiful...worse comes too worse ill freakin buy this phone online if it drops in london or something.
Sick phone, but will it have the video-output feature?
I noticed this on HTC's site a week or so ago, and it will totally dominate the iPhone. I'm upgrading from my Tilt to the Fuze (Touch Pro) when it's released at ATT on Oct 23rd...I'm really looking forward to the video out feature. If this Touch HD has that it WILL be the perfect phone!
Just have to say...got my wife an iPhone 3G the other day. Pretty slick interface, everything is fast and very smooth. Video playback puts every WinMo phone I've ever used to shame. No chopping, no freezes...just like watching a movie on my HD Plasma screen at home.
However I miss the ability to customize it like you can with WinMo phones. And not to mention the complicated process of putting music on the iPhone from iTunes. Good gosh they overcomplicated that process. Much easier with windows to simply drag and drop files/folders from your desktop into Activesync. A cool phone nonetheless...will have to get used to an on-screen keyboard with the Touch HD as my last 3 devices have had slideouts.
May I ask what do those have to do w/ Kaiser?
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I havent been so siced over a phone since the tilt...the touch pro doesnt have me that thrillled right now but this touch hd is off the hook...
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Erm... the Touch HD is technically identical to the Touch Pro, just with a bigger screen and no keyboard. That's it. It brings nothing else new to the table, it runs the same TouchFlo 3D as the Pro and the Diamond, along with the same processor, memory, GPS, accelerometer, on the same old WinMo 6.1... apart from the screen, the experience of using this device will be nigh on identical to the Touch Diamond or Pro. So unless I'm missing something, it's really not that big a deal.
Will it "dominate" the Iphone? Of course not. It will divert a few sales amongst those looking for the highest res screen, but those who like the Iphone way of working will still choose the Iphone (in their millions) and those who prefer Windows Mobile will simply have one more option to choose from. Bigger screen (Touch HD) or proper keyboard (Touch Pro) - the choice is yours.
I hope they do a similar device to the touch HD but with a keyboard... love the idea of a WVGA screen on my next device, web browsing will be great compared to QVGA on kaiser!
I wonder if the processor is powerful enough to deliver a smooth experience at that WCGA with touch flow 3d?
I think I am in heaven!!! WOW and WOW again!!!
I will have to wait another year or so until my contract comes up for renewal.
Is Android a stand alone OS? or is it merely a GUI for Windows Mobile? Will I be able to use any of my WM apps/games? Please tell me I can.
it's called xda porn
MACkjam said:
I think I am in heaven!!! WOW and WOW again!!!
I will have to wait another year or so until my contract comes up for renewal.
Is Android a stand alone OS? or is it merely a GUI for Windows Mobile? Will I be able to use any of my WM apps/games? Please tell me I can.
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A year? Why even post! There'll be far better phones out in a year's time.
Android is an entirely different OS with no compatibilty with WM or WM apps at all, other than the fact that the first Android phone (the G1) happens to be made by HTC and shares a similar Qualcom-powered hardware platform. Thanks to this, ports of Android to various existing WM phones are already underway - but installing an Android ROM means losing WM and your current apps (it also doesn't work very well yet, as far as I know).
Why are we talking about Android anyway? As said before, the Touch HD (subject of this thread) is Just-Another-Windows-Phone running all the same software as the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond, just in a slightly different form factor.
i mean ya it will be similar to the touch pro in fuctionality ...but being able to do the same things with almost double the screeen size is amazing homie. imagine watching youtube and avi dvd rips on this 3.8" screeen? not to mention web browsing on opera and w/e else comes out. WVGA iis too sick...when u see the resolution next to thhe iphone..the iphone looks like a packard bell monitor in comparison, just look for yourself in the pictures.
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A year? Why even post! There'll be far better phones out in a year's time.
Android is an entirely different OS with no compatibilty with WM or WM apps at all, other than the fact that the first Android phone (the G1) happens to be made by HTC and shares a similar Qualcom-powered hardware platform. Thanks to this, ports of Android to various existing WM phones are already underway - but installing an Android ROM means losing WM and your current apps (it also doesn't work very well yet, as far as I know).
Why are we talking about Android anyway? As said before, the Touch HD (subject of this thread) is Just-Another-Windows-Phone running all the same software as the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond, just in a slightly different form factor.
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My my, do you have nappy rash? Why post? Because I can and I want to.
moegdaog said:
i mean ya it will be similar to the touch pro in fuctionality
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Not similar, identical
...but being able to do the same things with almost double the screeen size is amazing homie. imagine watching youtube and avi dvd rips on this 3.8" screeen? not to mention web browsing on opera and w/e else comes out. WVGA iis too sick...when u see the resolution next to thhe iphone..the iphone looks like a packard bell monitor in comparison, just look for yourself in the pictures.
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It's all relative to what you want to do, if crystal clear Youtube clips is your whole thing then ok, it might well be the phone for you, but I can't see most Iphone users (or Touch Pro users for that matter) being too jealous. It doesn't make the Iphone screen suddenly bad, videos on the Iphone are still going to be just as slick as they are now, and so's the rest of the user experience (which WM can't match on any screen just yet).
For the record, I don't own an Iphone or a Touch Pro just yet, I'm waiting out another month in QVGA on the Tytn II - but after that I'll probably go for the Iphone. I'm tired of WM and the Touch HD doesn't begin to change that.
MACkjam said:
My my, do you have nappy rash? Why post? Because I can and I want to.
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Great! Thanks!
HTC completely screwed up by reverting to dual band UMTS.
HTC to international travelers: screw U
Boinng said:
Erm... the Touch HD is technically identical to the Touch Pro, just with a bigger screen and no keyboard.
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Last time i checked that wasn't TECHNICALLY identical
and we've all see than having the same hardward does not inherently mean the same device. There are lots of reasons to be excited about taht device. If you're not, then just ignore it. I don't see why you need to come throw cold water one everyone's fun in here.
I'm curious why this is in the Kaiser General forum though as it's not about the Kaiser at all...
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Not similar, identical
It's all relative to what you want to do, if crystal clear Youtube clips is your whole thing then ok, it might well be the phone for you, but I can't see most Iphone users (or Touch Pro users for that matter) being too jealous. It doesn't make the Iphone screen suddenly bad, videos on the Iphone are still going to be just as slick as they are now, and so's the rest of the user experience (which WM can't match on any screen just yet).
For the record, I don't own an Iphone or a Touch Pro just yet, I'm waiting out another month in QVGA on the Tytn II - but after that I'll probably go for the Iphone. I'm tired of WM and the Touch HD doesn't begin to change that.
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You said it, my friend. Lately my Tilt has been acting up and I'm pulling my hair out it's so annoying. I'm not one for masochism. I've used the Touch too, and friends who have it have had similar problems as me after a couple months use (eventual slowing down, unresposiveness)
On the contrary I have an iPod Touch which I've had for over a year and it's remarkably strong still. I'm no Apple fb, but my next phone might be an iPhone because I'm so fed up with WinMo (or HTC, not sure which really)
So I don't see Touch HD becoming an iPhone killer at all. It;s not the specs that make iPhone good, because the specs suck. It's got the best UI, best touch keyboard (my Tilts physical keyboard is less accurate!), and it's cheap for the quality of the product.
this means Touchflo 3d should be possible on Xperia i guess.
The Touch HD looks awesome but it still gonna carry WM6. That's the problem I got with it. WM7 looking farther and farther away doesn't help, $200 for iphone looks good.
TOUCH HD
Won't the touch HD have a 5 MP camera? thats a real difference!
i would also imagine it has better photo "capture" speed.
and the touch pro, based on the one I held in J&R a few weeks ago, does not have an external camera button either, you need to do it on screen.
that would be another real difference.
i imagine by the spring (and hopefully when my contract is up) that they will
have a the Touch HD with a keyboard, updated drivers, and WM7.
that would be pretty sweet, in my humble opinion.
michael
The crap grammar is deliberate in the title...
Now, I'm probably going to be getting a Hero... So, do I sell it and get a TP2, or keep it?
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The crap grammar is deliberate in the title...
Now, I'm probably going to be getting a Hero... So, do I sell it and get a TP2, or keep it?
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'twer it me, It would come down to only two things to decide.
1.) Do I want Windows Mobile or can I deal with Android.
2.) Do I want a slide out keyboard or screen keyboard.
Those would be the only two deciding factors for me. Everything else is either comparable or it not that important to me.
If the Hero comes with HTC Sense., that would sway me towards the Hero. ( WoW , cool, first one on the block factor )
Get both. Problem solved.
CraZyLiLbOy said:
Get both. Problem solved.
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Umm... I don't have £1000 going spare... well... £500... Hero will be pretty cheap on the contract, TP2 isn't coming on Orange for ages apparently.
denco7 said:
'twer it me, It would come down to only two things to decide.
1.) Do I want Windows Mobile or can I deal with Android.
2.) Do I want a slide out keyboard or screen keyboard.
Those would be the only two deciding factors for me. Everything else is either comparable or it not that important to me.
If the Hero comes with HTC Sense., that would sway me towards the Hero. ( WoW , cool, first one on the block factor )
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Damn... That's the sensible answer I was hoping I wouldn't get!
My preference is towards WM, and towards a hardware keyboard...
But has anyone used both, who can give me some kind of slightly biased view?
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Damn... That's the sensible answer I was hoping I wouldn't get!
My preference is towards WM, and towards a hardware keyboard...
But has anyone used both, who can give me some kind of slightly biased view?
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I would much rather the hardware keyboard. I have a Kaiser, and while I haven't used another HTC screen keyboard, I have used the one on my son's LG Vu and my wife's iPhone, and I still prefer the hardware keyboard. As does my son, who can't wait for me to upgrade to the TP II so he can inherit my Tilt.
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Damn... That's the sensible answer I was hoping I wouldn't get!
My preference is towards WM, and towards a hardware keyboard...
But has anyone used both, who can give me some kind of slightly biased view?
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Hi l3v5y
I haven´t used them but thinking on how important is to me the keyboard I´ll go for TP2 with my eyes closed
Cheers,
yeah me too inclined towards hardware keyboard factor
but then you should also consider the qualcomm driver issue if you use the device for heavy multimedia applications
i will choose touch pro 2 for my kind of use
Videos of the Hero show me that it's virtual keyboard is one of the best out there so maybe give it a shot before passing judgment. The Touch HD's onscreen keyboard was mediocre but Finger Keyboard 2.1 solved my issues.
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Videos of the Hero show me that it's virtual keyboard is one of the best out there so maybe give it a shot before passing judgment. The Touch HD's onscreen keyboard was mediocre but Finger Keyboard 2.1 solved my issues.
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Hehe...
I might have a Hero for sale soon... I might not though... Need to get it sorted out first though.
I like to follow the idea of not judging a book by its cover. For example, I decided an iPhone was not at all worth its sticker price after trying it out off friends. I did enjoy its apps and wanted them so I ended up getting an iPod touch just so I can use those apps. That's why you should try out that phone. If you are truly unsatisfied, then yes go for the TP2. Another phone that seems worth a look is the Samsung Omnia Pro btw. The OLED screen and 800MHz CPU make for attractive options.
Be a happy wm user and get the TP2!
ID rather had a hardware keyboard also after losing my Wing (repairs atm) its kind of a pain using an onscreen keyboard and im using the opal so now hardware keyboard .
Another TP2
WM & Hardware keyboard do it for me
Oh and it just looks awesome
had WM from the 1st orange spv (nov 2002)
now have a hero....got to say try one before you judge it
the phone is.......VERY good
im very happy with my new toy
liamhere said:
now have a hero....got to say try one before you judge it
the phone is.......VERY good
im very happy with my new toy
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Orange contracts only have 500mb "unlimited" data...
Need to get a contract organised, but it's looking like I might go towards the Rhodium... Purely because I really like WM at the moment, and like the direction it's going. But, I'll try a Hero if and when I get one, and might love it...
Questions for those of you who have or used both...
1) Does the accelerometer add any real usefulness to the WM experience ?
2) Is there much WM software out there that takes real advantage of the accelerometer ?
3) Besides automatic screen rotation, what great smartphone features are made possible by use of an accelerometer ?
I was just wondering whether the accelerometer has graduated from being a novelty/luxury to something that is actually indispensible to a WM smartphone.
had one in my n95, deactivated it!
my mate has a touch HD, hes also not suing it.
to be honest, there is no pratical use for it. u dont need it for anything usefull.
id allways swap a gyro for a compass cause if i hate something, then its navigating with google maps and not seeing in which direction i currently look at.
it ould be usefull in combination with compass for displaying aternate reality.
1 - No.
2 - Yes, but they are useless.
3 - Nothing else and the automatic screen rotation is super annoying. I always keep it off on my N95 or any other device for that matter.
Well, I felt that way when X1 was released, but I figured things would have been improved between then and now
just imagine.. i have many friends that use Nokia with Tilt sensor.. And almost all said that once they disabled their tilt sensor.. their phone hangups are almost nil... from almost everyday..
I'm happy with my X1's magnetic sensor.. it only triggers when i needed it...
I had a fuze and loved having the g-sensor for taking pictures. If you take a picture in portrait it saves it that way when reviewing it.
so I want want the accelerometer for this reason alone.
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I had a fuze and loved having the g-sensor for taking pictures. If you take a picture in portrait it saves it that way when reviewing it.
so I want want the accelerometer for this reason alone.
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this could be solved by software too, to a certain degree ofc.
Ive got a Panasonic lumix and that digicam has the same feature. it either has a gyro or its doing it by software somehow. i guess its a software thingy.
The accelerometer is nice to have for driving apps like measuring G and acceleration etc...
Did not use it in the Diamond, did not miss it in the SEX1, not impressed with it in the Diamond2.
I bought X1 in part because I don't care about accelerometer. I would love to have one in my next phone, but not for any practical purpose, and I frankly am not willing to pay any more money to add it. It's neat, but not necessary or even practical for just about anything.
Had it (iPhone 3GS), didn't miss it (Xperia X1i).
Finicky thing was a PITA.
^ U loved Xperia X1i over iPhone 3GS?????????
i am havin hard time which one to keep.
got both at home currently.
3GS is a strong competitor...and it makes good use of accelerometer
Nocturnal310 said:
^ U loved Xperia X1i over iPhone 3GS?????????
i am havin hard time which one to keep.
got both at home currently.
3GS is a strong competitor...and it makes good use of accelerometer
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Yeah, I find it weird as well.... There's something strange in prefering a vastly superior product to a piece of **** devioce...
orelsi said:
Yeah, I find it weird as well.... There's something strange in prefering a vastly superior product to a piece of **** devioce...
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orelsi. whats u view on the palm pre? i know u dont like the iphone as i also dont think much of it but been looking at the pre (not to replace my x1, but just out of interest). would like a play with one as it seem a nice phone.
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orelsi. whats u view on the palm pre? i know u dont like the iphone as i also dont think much of it but been looking at the pre (not to replace my x1, but just out of interest). would like a play with one as it seem a nice phone.
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Same here lol. I am intrigued by it and it is a curious device for sure. Unfortunatelly, I haven't been able to play with it, yet. I definitely want to, though.
There isn't much to say until I get it in my hands. It looks sleek and sexy when it's closed, but I don't like that particular form factor and that type of keyboard. The keyboard seems kinda small as well.
WebOS is something that I REALLY want to try. That card based interface looks very convenient and those cards are LIVE, a feature that had to be implemented in our panels...
Bottom point, I want to try one and it looks like a very good device (not as good as the X1 ) and it has a pretty good dev communiity as well.
Pre's build quality is apparently touch and miss. There was the "rotating" slider incident. (Which is severely WTF?!?!)
However the keyboard looks like it'd cut my thumbs (what's with that sharp looking lip?) and is smallish, too small for my large fingers.
I want to get a new phone, because my 2 year old Kaiser isn't the best anymore.
What do you think of the leo with the unbelievebal 1Ghz CPU and the Multitouch Screen?
Leo look great, shame no hardware keyboard.
It´s a must for me, I´ll wait for the Touch pro 3
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I want to get a new phone, because my 2 year old Kaiser isn't the best anymore.
What do you think of the leo with the unbelievebal 1Ghz CPU and the Multitouch Screen?
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The leo looks awsome, we have been playin with its version of the tf3d and its gr8, just wish i cud afford one lol
orb3000 said:
Leo look great, shame no hardware keyboard.
It´s a must for me, I´ll wait for the Touch pro 3
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I thought that when i first got my diamond after having a nike but it dosent bother me anymore, i can even write txts with one hand using the software keyboard, took me like a year to ajust tho lol
I do not need a Hardware Keyboard. Even I have got one in my Kaiser, typing on the software keyboard is much faster.
I read that the Leo supports USB-Hosting, so you can connect a normal keyboard
Awesome PPC! Check out the active Leo section for tons of info, reviews, etc...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=532
Thank you!