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In honor of it's glorious release today, I felt we needed a thread.
What a marketing sham, especially the "this is the internet, internet" ad. When it's limited to EDGE? Mmmm hmmmm.
I read a WSJ review in which Jobs was questioned about it. He claimed they were "sandwiching" 3G on the bottom with pervasive EDGE and WiFi on the top, which is much faster than 3G anyway. Hahahaha.
I'll keep my 8525, thanks. What say you?
iPhone -> Device for the fashion victims...nuff said.
I mean not adding 3G support is a tad silly since it will need a fast connection to get music at a decent speed.
I will not buy one. iPhone is all fluff IMO. I am eagerly awaiting the Kaiser.
Best Of Both Worlds
We need to add some of the cool features that the iphone has on our 8525 so it well be the best phone that is out right now. Also waiting on the Kaiser and cant wait to see what cool rom that will come out for it.
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iPhone -> Device for the fashion victims...nuff said.
I mean not adding 3G support is a tad silly since it will need a fast connection to get music at a decent speed.
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exactly what i thought.
the newest overrated overpriced price of fasion crap in the united states YEY!
i work mall security so i got to kick all their retarded iphone wanting ass off property until 5am. Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
i luved how they all had no idea the full onscreen keyboard sucks and miss understands u often. gg retards, waste of money. i thought about it for a sec and thought wow... the only good iphone is a linux running iphone haha. gg pwnt...
When I had the 8125, I was disappointed by the processing speed and responsiveness of the unit. However when I got my 8525, I am much much happier. The increase in processor speed and maybe the fact that it's not the same manufacturer processor makes the world of difference. Now I'm itching to see a 1Ghz unit! Wheee!
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Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
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Ouch!... that was cold.
Love it.
Mog said:
i work mall security so i got to kick all their retarded iphone wanting ass off property until 5am. Then when they came in line I started showing everyone my iphone look a like rom on my hermes (cing 8525). look i have google map, look i have wifi, OMG a media player, and wow my doesnt cost 600-700 bucks + tax. i kicked the crap out of their hearts. after about 30 minutes of argueing with me they finally gave up... yea the revolutionary devise for morons that have been in the dark... so ignorant. my phone is like a year and a half old lol.
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SWEEETTT!
M$ is so frigging stupid.. They could have TOTALLY STOLEN the spotlight from iPhone if they simultaneously coordinated the release of the official Windows Mobile 6 with the release of iPhone... They refuse to market their product, I mean, even with the BlackJack commercials they make NO mention of Windows Mobile.. Has Bill finally lost his mind with all that money he has?
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M$ is so frigging stupid.. They could have TOTALLY STOLEN the spotlight from iPhone if they simultaneously coordinated the release of the official Windows Mobile 6 with the release of iPhone
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Errrm, well...
a) WM6 has been released for some devices, including some Hermes models (that new Dopod release, for one).
b) AT&T is the exclusive carrier for the iPhone... why would they release WM6 for the 8525 prior to iPhone's launch?
c) Bill Gates could spend the money he's already got as fast as he can with both hands and still not spend it all before he's dead.
'Nuf said.
Beleive me when I say it, M$ has a say in some capacity as to when certain products can be offered... What M$ says is law in the world today.. yes some devices have already been given the upgrades, but I think a universal launch would have been good for the windows mobile based devices.. I can't wait until I see the first punk kid with his shiny new useless iPhone so I can give him a good flaming on what a REAL pda is..
sure he could have done some sort of release at the same time but would it have really hurt?
all the retard apple junkies would still be retard apple junkies, heres a joke and a fact in one.
what can a microsoft user do that a mac user cant? shut the **** up!
i swear they are all just hippys that think they can frigin change the world with there blogs about the dumbass insignificant boring lives, why do they have video blogs and **** like that? becuase they cant find anything else better to do...
hmm so, honestly in short. the iphone is an awesome "top of the line" (notice i didnt type revolutionary) phone for idiots... people that cant figure out ANYTHING on their own... apple was very smart in making a powerful phone with MANY shortcomings Idiotproof... that is the cold hard truth.
if anyone one of those mac luving morons did their research and actually bought the "best" phone, they would be heading over to htc.com
first is was the motorola razr, now its the iphone. Wm7 next? haha
i luv how macs lovers like to think that there macs and crap are customizable becuase that have different color schemes... lmfao. wow blue, wow red... what is the scheme to make the iphone not suck? oh yea it doesnt exist... its still just the overrated overpriced new crap fad from america. i cant wait til they use their keyboards muwhaha. "wtf i pressed p and it typed o, wtf.. w and i pressed e..." I'll love to hear that ring.
im not gonna get in this debate about ms vs mac or gates vs jobs. all i know is...
the iphone is a jerk off
all show and no substance
no mms
no 3g
on screen qwerty covers up things you are replying to
no video messaging
no browser plugins!!!!
safari only (kmfa)
no sim
no mp3 ringtones
plus the silly a** price
no REAL third party apps
that in my humble opinion means it is not worth the trouble. i must admit i wanted one at least to tinker with. but after reading specs. its a big hell no for me. the iphone could have been an htc, pocket pc/smartphone, for that matter-every phone killer and it fell short.
I agree with you hiimcliff
People in the know....know not to waist their $ on this glorified ipod
Waiting on the Kaiser myself ... a real device.
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I agree with you hiimcliff
People in the know....know not to waist their $ on this glorified ipod
Waiting on the Kaiser myself ... a real device.
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i also despise all of that iphone skinning crap. i think its so ridiculous
the only good thing that can come out of the iPhone is that Microsoft gets its head out of its ass and starts working on making WM even better. They have a long way to go.
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no mp3 ringtones
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guys look and be sure u will be seeing this within the next month at least.
itunes, u can buy?
movies
tv shows
music vids
songs/albums right?
next up is ringtones, i luv how apple will milk there customer for all the money they got.
u like a song so u buy it, oh wait ur phone cant play mp3s... *damnit* oh look ringtone section only 99 cents omg!
i think most of us just get sound program cutter and clip one then format it to a decent size... at least that is what i do.
I must say you guys are all idiots. You are the kind of people who pick something to hate for no reason. I on the other give things a chance and dont have my opinion made up before ive tried something out. I myself am not a huge Apple fan have never owned a mac or ipod but i got to try out my brothers ipod as compared to my cingular 8125 and i am happy to say that it made my 8125 look like a sorry piece of **** that it is.
For you to say its no good or that Apple is no good is just ignorant if you havent tried it
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I must say you guys are all idiots. You are the kind of people who pick something to hate for no reason. I on the other give things a chance and dont have my opinion made up before ive tried something out. I myself am not a huge Apple fan have never owned a mac or ipod but i got to try out my brothers ipod as compared to my cingular 8125 and i am happy to say that it made my 8125 look like a sorry piece of **** that it is.
For you to say its no good or that Apple is no good is just ignorant if you havent tried it
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your name calling and 4 posts show us all who is boss.
if you read the thread then you see the list of things that the phone is missing. but by all means spend $500 for the iphone and $59-99 for the plan, and $29 each nintendo retro game, and $.99 each ringtone; while i enjoy my $39.99 plan with $29.99 internet plan, free .mp3 ringtones, and a phone that does everything the iphone does and more with no restrictions.
first of all, it's not hard to make a 8125 look bad.. Considering it's bulky design, slow processor, etc... If you had a Hermes you would be whistling a different tune.
Allright guys,
I hate to do this, but I'm sick of getting flipped off and getting broken promises from HTC. If I wanted those, I'd just get into another relationship with what seems to be a nice girl at a bar. I've sent in more than 9 hand written letters and countless emailed ones. I've made the proverbial ****-ton loads of phone calls. And all this through my own, free time. And I know that I'm not the only one. There is an army of people here who've written, pleased, asked politely and signed a petition. We've lambasted through what seems to be HTC's "cover fire" on the issue. After being dicked around, I didn't want a politically correct and savvy response to the issue that tells me nothing at all. For the money I paid, I wanted the basics. What, When, Where, Why. What was the problem? When Will it Be Resolved? Why has this been overlooked? If I can't get away from my girlfriend with a politically correct and savvy response to the issue of why I spent $700 on a new phone, then I don't believe HTC can use that ploy either.
Yea we've all heard this rant before, but I'm sick of this. If **** doesn''t change soon, I'm taking my business and my accounts elsewhere. It's sad when I have to degrade myself to think about rebuying the iphone. But hell even if we all know the iphone doesn't have all the features the tilt does, at least IT DOES WHAT IT'S PROMISED TO DO. No Smoke and mirrors. No concise and no business response. It just does what it's supposed to do out of the box.
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
P.S. And for all those who say this is a Business Device, not an entertainment device: As a business user, it's pretty damn hard to tell a client "HOLD ON, I NEED TO SWITCH TO LANDSCAPE MODE" or "GIMME A FEW MORE SECS TO SHOW YOU THIS EXCEL SHEET. WAIT, IT'S LOADING. ALMOST...." Even us business users are getting pissed off.
And, again, I hate the iphone, but how many of them do you see complaining because their device doesn't do an advertised feature? Or is misadvertised?
I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.
yes i agree at first i was im love with my tilt but when my video recording capabilities sucked arse and simple things like scrolling while playing music makes the device lag now u know its a problem ive hear dof frigging wizards playing games better than this and they tote this as it being the most powerful windows device out but i was still gonna buy another htc product but once they released that statement im like are u serious this sis ur answer not even a "u can buy 4 more apps for 20 bucks" like steve jobbs is doing i mean i wouldve at least appreciated that but i think i might go to the tytn or the iphone they deliver on wat is promised
My next phone will probably going to be an iPhone once they release a 3G version of it. I miss my 8525
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I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.
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I-mate is switiching manufactoring back to HTC, in essence it is just an HTC with I-mate branding. Hopefully they will support their devices with all the adequate software and updates, unlike HTC.
Infornography said:
Allright guys,
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
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What do you mean "may"? I have absolutely excluded it. After all this mockery and arrogance from HTC, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I EVER went and bought another one of their devices, at ANY point in the future.
Hi all,
I just want to say... I'm so pissed with the video driver problem for the Kaiser that I seriously considered trading my Tilt with an iPhone... and now it looks like it's happening. I'm having second thoughts though because I've been using HTC devices all my life and am used to it, besides the scalability and all, I need someone to talk some sense into me.
happy
Guess I'm the wrong person for this, since I use both an iPhone and the Tilt. Do you use the Tilt just for video? I mean seriously, even with the driver issues it's better than most devices out there. Pickup an iPhone and keep the Tilt. It takes a few seconds to switch the SIM card.
I mainly use the Tilt only for receiving emails, texts, calling and video. I don't use the GPS as much since I have a separate unit. I'm on tmobile too so 3G or HSDPA doesn't really do anything for me...
The pros for the iPhone, for me, are its form factor and its video capabilities, besides being able to do everything I need to do. Can the iPhone sync to outlook?
at least wait for the 3g iphone i think i may pick one up
I doubt the iphone will sync to outlook as there is no util on there to do this. maybe an after market app is available, but apple is apple and outlook is microsoft, so i doubt it. seriously an apple iphone??? i wouldnt trade my kaiser for 10 iphones. (well maybe for the value to sell them, but id buy myself another kaiser after )
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I mainly use the Tilt only for receiving emails, texts, calling and video. I don't use the GPS as much since I have a separate unit. I'm on tmobile too so 3G or HSDPA doesn't really do anything for me...
The pros for the iPhone, for me, are its form factor and its video capabilities, besides being able to do everything I need to do. Can the iPhone sync to outlook?
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I doubt the iphone will sync to outlook as there is no util on there to do this. maybe an after market app is available, but apple is apple and outlook is microsoft, so i doubt it. seriously an apple iphone??? i wouldnt trade my kaiser for 10 iphones. (well maybe for the value to sell them, but id buy myself another kaiser after )
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The iPhone beats the Kaiser in most areas. Applications run faster with hardly any lag or lockingup. The Safari browser blows away IE and even opera. A jailbroken iPhone can have MMS and now video, but the video app is still very new and not complete. Please, if the iPhone had GPS I would've NEVER gone with the Tilt. It's bulky, slow, and the battery life BLOWS! It serves its purpose for why I got it, but takes a backseat to a jailbroken iPhone.
I prefer my Tilt over the iPhone because I can customize and make the Tilt MINE, and not like anyone elses phone. There's also third party programs to do anything you want, and the iPhone is only just starting to get into that market, and you'll need a wallet to take advantage of most of it.
Think of it this way, Kaiser -> XDA-Developers. iPhone -> Apple
Which one really cares about you more? XDA-Devs or Apple?
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I'm so pissed with the video driver problem for the Kaiser that I seriously considered trading my Tilt with an iPhone
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I don't know about iPhone, but I ditched my TyTN II last week and use back my ol'Treo 650
FCUK HTC !!!
What? You can mod the iPhone and also make it "yours". Doesn't cost a thing if you visit the iPhones matching xda dev counterpart called modmyifone.com where 3rd party developers are releasing apps daily. It still beats the Kaiser IMO cause I've modded both and work with both daily. Kaiser is slow and cumbersome and with the driver issues only leaves integrated GPS as its only appealing quality, but this isn't a iPhone/Kaiser debate thread. People that DON'T own both can continue and rant about why the Kaiser is better. All they have is opinion and not hands-on.
Buy an iPhone!
The way I see it;
Apple iPhone is a competiter of HTC (everything) and the more people buy the iPhone, the more HTC will have to improved on their own devices.
So buy the iPhone and make HTC work harder for the money.
Later, Lew
lewcamino said:
Buy an iPhone!
The way I see it;
Apple iPhone is a competiter of HTC (everything) and the more people buy the iPhone, the more HTC will have to improved on their own devices.
So buy the iPhone and make HTC work harder for the money.
Later, Lew
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I don't think HTC is gonna lose any sleep or care if you buy an iPhone or not. They have MANY devices. Not just the Tilt to worry about. Apple on the other hand seems more focused on making a quick buck rather than putting out the best device they could've. I love the iPhone, but when they released it, it lacked too many simple apps like MMS and Video Recorder. If they had put more focus on releasing the BEST phone out they would've included a working MMS and Video Recorder. Christ, they could've included GPS if they sacrificed size a little more and made this thing unbeatable. So for now, there are two equally great phones that I have to use. Tilt and iPhone. Both great devices.
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Apple on the other hand seems more focused on making a quick buck rather than putting out the best device they could've.
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Ahahahahah! You're saying that about Apple and NOT about HTC?!
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Ahahahahah! You're saying that about Apple and NOT about HTC?!
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Yes, considering the 8525 I previously owned was an awesome device. Apple didn't even bother to include the basic apps you can get in a cheap Boost Mobil phone. You can't say that about HTC that have how many great devices on the market?
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Ahahahahah! You're saying that about Apple and NOT about HTC?!
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I'll have to agree here. HTC seems to have pushed out the Kaiser.
Both are good phones but definitely lack where the other one shines. GPS and Video/Multimedia
I agree HTC rushed the Kaiser, but that in itself doesn't take away the fact that they have released a lot of great devices. One screwup (driver issue) doesn't put HTC in the same boat as Apple. I mean, who was on the development team for the iPhone? We're they too busy sending MMS with HTC phones that they forgot to include it in the iPhone? lol
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I agree HTC rushed the Kaiser, but that in itself doesn't take away the fact that they have released a lot of great devices. One screwup (driver issue) doesn't put HTC in the same boat as Apple. I mean, who was on the development team for the iPhone? We're they too busy sending MMS with HTC phones that they forgot to include it in the iPhone? lol
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Kaiser, Mogul, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise, etc. It's not just one device, it's their entire recent line-up. And while the iPhone can be unlocked to handle MMS, HTC's devices cannot be hacked to add a driver, unless someone wants to cough up a couple hundred thousand dollars. Besides, this is the consumer market. Past doesn't exist, only the present. I don't care if HTC made good devices in the past, the same way I don't care if Apple made a groundbreaking computer back in the early 1980's. It's what they're doing NOW that matters.
iPhone and Outlook sync - wirelessly!!
Hello...i have both the iphone and the tilt. and yes, you can sync iphone to outlook wirelessly.
all you have to do is download the funambol.com client. it is amazing!
go to myfunambol.com and get the outlook client...then download the iphone client....voila....ota outlook sync....even better than the tilt.
the only reason, the iphone is not better than the tilt , imo, is b/c of the gps functionality as well as the fact that the keyboard is only usable in portrait mode (except for in mobile safari mode). This however, is being recitified in the next software update....
so, honestly, i am getting ready to ebay my tilt... I will be an iphone user until HTC comes out with a truly ready for market all in one device....hopefullly soon!
for those selling your used tilt and switching to the iphone... I'm a university student looking to upgrade from the Imate Kjam. I have posts regarding this on the Wizard forum. If any of you folks would be nice enough to let it go for cheap, I'd be a buyer for sure. Please PM me. Thank you.
biswasd said:
Hello...i have both the iphone and the tilt. and yes, you can sync iphone to outlook wirelessly.
all you have to do is download the funambol.com client. it is amazing!
go to myfunambol.com and get the outlook client...then download the iphone client....voila....ota outlook sync....even better than the tilt.
the only reason, the iphone is not better than the tilt , imo, is b/c of the gps functionality as well as the fact that the keyboard is only usable in portrait mode (except for in mobile safari mode). This however, is being recitified in the next software update....
so, honestly, i am getting ready to ebay my tilt... I will be an iphone user until HTC comes out with a truly ready for market all in one device....hopefullly soon!
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If Apple finally releases iPhone v2, whenever, and it has GPS, MMS, and Video Record capabilities, I'll be using my Tilt as a paper weight. Graphically more pleasing, faster UI, slimmer design, and Safari? The Tilt can't touch it. Those that say "no 3G" have no clue. 3G isn't that much faster. A second or two difference from my experience, but it drains the battery like crazy. An iPhone can do circles around my Tilt for battery life. I tried listening to ONE podcast on my Tilt and it drained the battery to almost empty. That was one 4 hour podcast. I listened to 10 hours on my iPhone and the battery was about 50%. There's no comparison. The lack of a sliding QWERTY takes some getting used to and slows my text replies down a little, but I'm not texting all day long and you adapt prety fast to the new keyboard just like anything new you learn. I did think it was funny when I spoke to an at&t rep about setting up my voicemail and I told him I was switching between both phones, and the guy told me I couldn't do it. I said "yes, I can, and I am". Then he said I HAD to have Visual Voicemail on my account to use the iPhone and I said "uh, no I don't and the phone still works w/o it". This idiot was so set on telling me I had to have the iPhone plan. but I told him that I setup my account to reflect my Tilt, not the iPhone, and that switching between phones wasn't controlled by him or at&t and that I really didn't care what he thought. lol. I think he was a bit mad that he couldn't make me use the iPhone plan, but if I used the iPhone plan then the MMS on my iPhone wouldn't work. Dummies.
Now that apple have broken into the phone market, its only a matter of time before the next apple comes out. The apple phone may have been rushed a little, but it was their first attempt, and i take my hat off to them for the effort they made. now you know the next one will be the shiznik! if it has GPS and HSXPA with more apps available without bricking the device (once they open up to start allowing open source programming, which i think they started to now) theres no stopping it. HTC will loose alot of money simply because alot of people who bought the Kaiser and other previous HTC devices will move over for a faster, much more reliable phone that doesnt need a soft reset every other day. And mostly beause HTC have NOT made the effort to support their loyal fans by giving us drivers for the graphics/video problem.
I really like the Tilt, but the WM OS is just not for me. I really, really just hate it.
BUT, before i get rid of it, i wanted to know, is there any hope for the near future of running a custom Andoid rom on this thing? not running it within WM, i'm talking about full blown Android stand alone?
Because if thats the case, i might just throw it in my closet for a few months.
if not, it better start packing its bags tonight!
Sorry for OOT, but I have the same feeling towards the OS, bro.
I hate all M$ product so much (make it PC or PPC), but in the end I HAVE TO USE THEM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT.
Just for the sake of compatibility with so many other person I live and interact with everyday.
You gotta learn to face it mate, hence, the frustration. I knew the feeling.
Actually there are alternatives like palm and apple, but only few uses or supports them. Which will make, in the end, worse frustration.
Android
Hi. See this link if you haven't yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
I'm sure it's a question of time 'till a standalone version comes out.
Cheers,
Draco
Android will be further down the road but it will be even later when we see a full-blown OS for the Tilt/Kaiser.
Once an Android OS is available though I will be flashing. I cannot stand WinMo either.
Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
Its going to be at least as long as it takes to release the first Android Phone to the general public, once thats done then the platform will open up more and be more accessible to us devs. I think Android is going to be amazing once its up and running properly on the MSM7200 chip set. But your best bet would be to hold on to your kaiser and put it in a drawer some place and buy another phone if you don't like the OS and the GUI that comes with it, if you can afford to do so. I am not a fan boy but if you don't need your phone as a business tool then the new 3G Iphone is the way to go in "MY" opinion (please do not turn this into an Apple VS Mac thread) Bottom line is HTC makes great business phones that they did a great job marketing as a general consumer "media" device which it is in some ways. But if your holding onto your kaiser in hopes of Android making everything perfect then your bubble needs to be burst..
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Curious but are you going to the iPhone instead?...I don't believe there are any other choices unless you're just going with a regular, non-smart/ppc phone.
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
Apple sold 1 Million phones in 2 days so people must like something about it. Personally if they upgraded the camera and some other things I would be dropping my kaiser in a second for it but I'll wait for the 3rd generation its going to be sick! Last note and I'll stop! Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a radical change for the kaiser and other Windows Mobile based phones so It may be worth it to hold on to your kaiser until that is released
Thanks for the replies fellas. I have been a very happy Symbian S60 user for about 1.5 years now. I bought a Tilt a few months back because i love to tinker, and the Tilt is the Closest competition to the N95, so of course i had to get it. My first and last WM phone though.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone.
I just hope there is interest in the Tilt still for someone to make an Android rom by the time it comes out.
All im going to say is that if it werent for XDA-DEV, i would have chucked it out of my window, because the factory HTC roms are for the birds.
Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
I'd love my Tilt even more if the screen was just a little bit better about where i touch it... I do IT for a small company and there are 3 iphones, a lot of junk phones and my Tilt... Tilt does the most, iPhone is the easiest to use.
If you could buy a better screen for the Tilt, I'd throw down an extra $200 on it.
Back to the topic, I'd also recommend saving it, with stuff like this you will never get what it is worth from anyone and if nothing else, you have a tinker toy.
If you dont like kaiser and can afford, u might as well sell it off now. Its nearly an year since its release and that is the approximate life of a handset ( in terms of specification) .Futher down the year htc pro will be released, with better specs and that handset will be better suited for wm7 or android. Both these OS may not work great in kaiser. ( but for me kaiser has been the best handset ever ( thanks to this forum and hang.tuah)
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There are many other phones out there beside the HTC and Iphones Nokia makes some amazing phones that would blow the kaiser and Iphone out of the water! Also the new Sprint "Instinct"(i think thats the name) is also a really cool touch screen based device! Soon everything phone is going to be touch screen only, the way that the general consumer thinks touch screens are so High tech and cool....
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D'oh!...forgot Symbian phones.
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<snip>You hit the nail on the head when you say that this is a "i get emails all day, and need to open word documents while on lunch" persons phone. but for me, its so damn frustrating and boring, i want to rip out my eyes. Thing is, take all that away, and your left with a not very good phone. <snip>
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Well - obviously everyone sees something from a different perspective.
As a phone - the tilt is no better or worse than any other phone i have had. Remembering of course that cell signals have gotten better and more prevalent over time (I was an original Cellular One customer).
I do support for software so I need access to email on a pretty constant basis - I would have to get to the hotel immediately and check email - I would constantly have to have my laptop with me to check email to see if there were any problems brewing. I no longer have that "attchment" to the laptop. I have a freedom with this phone that I have never had before.
The fact that I can take it to the gym and listen to bluetooth headphones and get my music PLUS!
The fact that I can watch videos on the plane PLUS!
I can text and take and send pictures PLUS!
The fact that I no longer have to carry TOMTOM with me (the unit) when I am on the road and I ALWAYS have TOMTOM with me PLUS!
The fact that I can now whip out my phone and play a game when i am stuck for a few minutes and bored PLUS!
The fact that I can now find the local theater and see what is playing easily or the local Mexican restaurant PLUS!
The fact that I can get weather anywhere in the world easily PLUS!
The fact that I can get/add/change airline tickets easily PLUS!
The fact that I can add new programs to the phone easily PLUS!
So - from MY perspective - this is a drop dead incredible wonderful cannot do without it tool that makes my life better and more fun. It will only get replaced when there is something better available that does it truly better/faster/cheaper than my TILT.
From my vantage point,
Bill
Somehow, i really really doubt that... WM7 might use graphics a whole lot, and our phone doesnt have acceleration... We can just hope people can cook WM7 with drivers... Plus its still 6 months away, android is our best latest choice...
slovoflud said:
Have to comment on this one!
well, first of all i'm not sure our Kaisers can handle WM7 when it comes out. I don't like the current OS we're using and wanna say that i had a chat with a couple of people here on the forums and decided not to get an iPhone (although i still like it) and hold on to my Kaiser and wait for Android. It will take time, though..
I wish i needed a second phone.
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aphexacid said:
Thanks for the replies fellas.
My main phone is a Nokia N95-4, and i swap out every once in a while with an N82.
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Have to ask, if you have the better nokia phones, why not just link a N810 tablet to your phone via bluetooth ? They aren't bad little devices. Except they run a version of linux. But there are apps that let you do alot of what you need a PPC/Laptop for.
I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
I have to say I'm loving mine and think it's a good thing (in a funny way) that there are features missing. We get to look forward to updates to a system that has really great foundations.
Having said that there is a bit of a danger in thinking that every missing feature and every imaginable improvement will make it into imminent updates. MS are in this for the long haul and some improvements won't materialise over the lifetime of the initial batch of phones.
Copy/paste will be coming soon but we just don't know other features. We can just hope. So, if you can't live without tethering it might be worth waiting until early next year to see if news emerges on a timescale.
Jeimygirl said:
I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
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I still have my i637 jack. I suggest you wait like me, We got to atleast see if Microsoft is gonna even mention addressing the other issues besides the ones they say they will fix in early 2011. Although im personally seeing are they gonna stay true to their words by listening to their supporters.
Jeimygirl said:
I have done all my research on the new HD7. I currently have the HD2 and love what WM7 lacks right now. Such as cut and paste and tethering. I use those all the time! But, I HATE my HD2. It freezes like crazy, always lagging, I have to soft reset 1-2 times a day. So I"m ready to upgrade to WM7. I've owned an Android before, g1, and loved it, but I like WM a bit more. I started to look at the MyTouch4g, but I keep getting pulled ot the HD7. So my dilema ow is, should I upgrade to the HD7 from my HD2. Is the current WinMo7 worth it? Has anyone has a change to play around with the new system. I've read so many good, and some "ok" and many just an HD2 with a new outfit.
I also know it's a personal choice by far. But what are YOUR opinions. What do you like/dislike compared to others.
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You have 14 days with T-Mobile to return the phone and get a new one or reverse your upgrade if you choose to. You pretty much have nothing to lose. Rather than asking everyone else what they think, the best thing to do is always to just get the phone yourself, try it out and see if you like it.
That being said, the HD2 ran an unfortunately unfriendly and antiquated operating system that was not designed for nor optimized for the HD2. Even HTC's Sense could not save it. Sad because its still a top-notch phone hardware wise. Which is why Windows Phone 7 was built from the ground up and optimized for hardware matching the HD2 and beyond. If you've seen any videos online, you should notice how dramatically smoother and seamless the whole experience is.
When people talk about about how the HD7 is just an HD2 in a new outfit, that is totally correct. It is the HD2 essentially, hardware wise. But the outfit is just as important as the hardware, and Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile 6.5, not by a long shot.
Try out the phone, if it turns out that its not for you, then please take advantage of the return policy and try out a different phone. That's the only way you'll really get a real opinion.
I will be jumping ship on November 8 over to the HD7 and T-Mobile. The Evo, as awesome a hardware as it is, simply does not have the 'outfit' to match it. Windows Phone 7 provides the polish, features, and speed that I need, and I can't wait.
I'm going to get the HD7 on Nov 8th as well. I've used Android since the G1 and ave had just about every Android phone T-Mo offers (except the Behold 2). Right now I have the myTouch 4G, and while it is an awesome phone, it's not doing it for me. I really like how WP7 looks. I also have a Zune HD, and I like the software on it, and WP7 is very similar.
If you are prepared to wait for the new OS to mature and for "jailbreaks and hacks" to become available then go for it. If you want to be abe to tweak from day 1 and have every possible feature that is out there then stay with 6.5 or go for android. I have a horrible feeling these forums are going to fill up with people moaning about lack of this that or the other feature. I myself like the interface so much that I want to be part of the WP7 thing from day 1 hence I have my HD7 already and am lovin it warts an all!!
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You have 14 days with T-Mobile to return the phone and get a new one or reverse your upgrade if you choose to. You pretty much have nothing to lose. Rather than asking everyone else what they think, the best thing to do is always to just get the phone yourself, try it out and see if you like it.
That being said, the HD2 ran an unfortunately unfriendly and antiquated operating system that was not designed for nor optimized for the HD2. Even HTC's Sense could not save it. Sad because its still a top-notch phone hardware wise. Which is why Windows Phone 7 was built from the ground up and optimized for hardware matching the HD2 and beyond. If you've seen any videos online, you should notice how dramatically smoother and seamless the whole experience is.
When people talk about about how the HD7 is just an HD2 in a new outfit, that is totally correct. It is the HD2 essentially, hardware wise. But the outfit is just as important as the hardware, and Windows Phone 7 is not Windows Mobile 6.5, not by a long shot.
Try out the phone, if it turns out that its not for you, then please take advantage of the return policy and try out a different phone. That's the only way you'll really get a real opinion.
I will be jumping ship on November 8 over to the HD7 and T-Mobile. The Evo, as awesome a hardware as it is, simply does not have the 'outfit' to match it. Windows Phone 7 provides the polish, features, and speed that I need, and I can't wait.
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Kind of what he said. Buy it and see. I'm getting it because I want to be part of the new revolution of Winmo. And honestly, have found myself not to concerned about what it's lacking as hell, it still the basic things you expect in a smartphone and I'm willing to give up some the apps I've used on Winmo and Android ports to the HD2. Most of them are just because I wanted to do something and not really needed. But with a browser, slingplayer coming soon, office, phone calls, text, and Slacker for streaming radio. That pretty much rounds up the stuff that I use on a regular basis (oh just need a golfgps app) and that's it. But, I'm planning on keeping my HD2, juuust in case there is something I need. My advice, jump into and see what you think and try not to think about the very minor things you'll be missing. You might actually find that you start finding more time for real life as opposed to your virtual phone life that's wasted from having billions of apps to check. I know I will and I'm looking forward to it!
That's everyone for your opinions. I am usually one to get the new "it" thing as soon as it comes out, usually the day it comes out (well only phones) But not so much when a new phone comes out, just the next biggest thing. In this case, WinMo7. I've owned 3 Win Mo phones (SDA, Dash and HD2) Android (G1) and iPhone along with all the other basics before the SDA, and I can surely say, I like WinMo the best. I do like to completely customize my phones. I found WinMo to have the best broad range to do this. I'm not one to load my phone with apps, except to customize, which is why I don't mind the almost nothing there marketplace for WinMo.
I will probably be one of the ones jumping on the bandwagon and getting the HD7 on Monday as well. I do like their return policy, but don't like their $10-$20 restocking fee that you have if you return it. I'm sure I will end up liking the HD7. For the most part I have a love/hate relationship with my HD2. I think what I hate is WinMo6.5 because after customizing it was perfect for me. I'm sure over time the developers here will come up with ways to customize the HD7. I think I can wait. Plus, I would get the "new phone" feeling with HD7, vs getting an android which seems to never change it's basics.
Also, how is everyone getting their phones?
I'm thinking about getting it at WalMart since their price is $150 with a new 2 yr contract, (have to verify if an upgrade counts)
T-Mobile's is $250 with a 2 yr contract with a $50 mail in rebate (which I always seem to forget to mail out on time!)
Do Not Buy A W7 phone
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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Are you saying you don't like it?
J9HOB said:
I have had an HTC HD 2 phone from when they came out and a week ago bought an HTC HD7 WHAT A MISTAKE I have put it in the bin. Any one that says it is better than (shudder to think an iphone) is not in the real world,
No File transfer using Pc You have to use Skydrive long winded.
very basic functions and its display looks s***t
Best advice is go into a phone shop and have a play but be aware that what you see is all you get!.
I am 52 years old and have been involved and used computers from being about 25, and have found windows has always been the best platform and have hated Apple for there lack of user input it has always been thats what you get like it or lump it, but I will certanly be buying an apple or android in the next 2 weeks.
So microsoft stuff it!
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You write and complain like a child. So I am going out on limb and say that you are not 52 years old and you haven't handled one yet. Since the screen resolution is exactly the same as HD2 and from what I have read it has the S-LCD so its even better. You are the first that I have seen to complain about the screen especially since you are an HD2 user. I guess you have the special HD2 screen no one else has.
I also doubt if you have been in and around computer for 25 years. Your complaint about Apple leads me to believe you are not being honest. Are you complaining about your HD2? You fail to mention that. You don't like Apple and believe that MS is the best platform yet you are moving away from WM6.5 and WP7 and getting an IPHONE or ANDROID?
So in conclusion you tried out an HD7(alleged) and thought the SAME EXACT SCREEN AS YOUR HD2 was crap? The WP7 OS and the Screen was so horrible that you went into a trance like state fueled by your anger towards MS that you decided to tell MS to stuff the SOLE PLATFORM you have been using for the past 25 years? Then you just tucked it away into a BIN instead of returning the phone because you could no longer stand to touch or have it in your sight.
Ahh that makes SENSE!
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mrmomoman said:
You write and complain like a child. So I am going out on limb and say that you are not 52 years old and you haven't handled one yet. Since the screen resolution is exactly the same as HD2 and from what I have read it has the S-LCD so its even better. You are the first that I have seen to complain about the screen especially since you are an HD2 user. I guess you have the special HD2 screen no one else has.
I also doubt if you have been in and around computer for 25 years. Your complaint about Apple leads me to believe you are not being honest. Are you complaining about your HD2? You fail to mention that. You don't like Apple and believe that MS is the best platform yet you are moving away from WM6.5 and WP7 and getting an IPHONE or ANDROID?
So in conclusion you tried out an HD7(alleged) and thought the SAME EXACT SCREEN AS YOUR HD2 was crap? The WP7 OS and the Screen was so horrible that you went into a trance like state fueled by your anger towards MS that you decided to tell MS to stuff the SOLE PLATFORM you have been using for the past 25 years? Then you just tucked it away into a BIN instead of returning the phone because you could no longer stand to touch or have it in your sight.
Ahh that makes SENSE!
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I think you have this guy nailed.